Re: Digest Number 449

November 17, 1999

Yeah, KayK,

I am so happy for you. A day without prednisone is truly a great day!! And

normal liver function is reason to celebrate!!

Way to go. My day will come, of that I am sure.

Ginger AIH

November 20, 1999

In a message dated 11/20/99 5:36:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Carol writes:

<< Mine has been about half that and I don't know why, but I'm not

complaining, and insurance is paying 80%.) >>

Hi Carol,

Thanks for posting that fascinating post about your visit to Cheney and the

discussion about oxygen. I am wondering if the same effect can be had from

trying to breathe in a paper bag to get the carbon dioxide? I am thinking of

trying it. I also found the book Breathing Free at my library and put a hold

on it.

Since you are a patient of Cheney's...I was wondering how you manage to see

him. Do you live in that area? Also what insurance do you have that will

cover him?

Thanks,

Jane

March 30, 2000

Barbara,

Since there's a May IAQ conference in Texas and there are so many cases of

toxic mold cropping up in Texas, I'd like to see if your subscribers would

feel any benefit in getting together.

Perhaps we can all help one another.

Thoughts?

Melinda B.

June 17, 2000

WOW!! Thanks for all the responses to my questions re:school and stroller

for Mira!! This is great.. We are working on increasing her endurance for

walking and her riding her bike to school. I modified a 12 inch one for her

and fit it with straps to help with the peddles and extenders.. She is

pretty good on it. The school says that they do not allow kindergarden kids

to ride bikes to school but would consider making an exception if I could

demonstrate a special need circumstance and if she is " safe " (How do they

figure she will be " safe " on the playground anyway??) soooo.. She is quite

active and wants to be independent.. Climbs on everything and gets into some

amazing spots. I can't believe her upper body strength.. She can press up

and pike her hips to get on the kitchen cabinets for a drink using a small

stool.. I don't think she thinks of strollers as a baby thing.. she will ask

for her blue one (most comfortable).. I knew umbrella ones were bad for baby

achons but does that extend up to when they're older too? I do not intend to

let them skip her in various areas.. I will put that in the IEP as to

helper, line leader ect.. So what if the kids have to go a bit slower from

time to time.. They are young and it may help to teach them patience,

acceptance, to see things in a different light.. I know for a fact the

school makes mega allowances for the deaf kids.. even teaches sign language

in the classroom from kindergarden up.. Thanks again for all the respnses

and ideas.. Gigi B.

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Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:41:48 -0000

From: cmontana@...

Subject: Water RE:(can help your health improve)

" I use a Brita filter. Smoother taste. It has amused

me to read the labels on bottled water. Some come from

other cities' municipal water supplies. I always think

I'm better off drinking our water here than buying

somebody else's city water! "

I too use a water pitcher filter;(similar to Brita but

Shaklee brand); I replace filters about every third

month and do have to wash the pitcher often for there

is a film left in it from what the filters don't let

through. We have well water and have had it tested. .

.. it is safe to drink,though it has a smell at times.

.. .it also is hard water and has a lot of minerals

which leaves residue and makes for hard house cleaning

unless you maintain often.

The filter has made it much more appealing and my

whole family goes through several pitchers a day. Even

my kids drink water instead of pop, tea or other

sugary drinks.(actually prefer it over other drinks)

Cost isn't just an issue initially but over all our

health is better. . .water is a very vital part of

good health no matter what your condition. It helps us

have more oxygen in our system, provides cleansing for

toxins and impuritites in the body, and hydrates our

muscles to move better. My massage therapist tells me

most people go around approx. 90% dehydrated and don't

even know. . . coffee, tea,and sodas, all of those

dehydrate or rob the body of fluids. . . I am an

ADVOCATE of drinking water! And , those drinks

taste better made with the filtered water. . .so I

agree its worth it!

I can tell a great big difference when I don't drink

enough water. . . if I go a day when there isn't

quality water available! Less energy, sometimes

headaches (oxygen deprived) and aches and pains more.

I say we all should drink more water, but it does make

a difference the water you drink! Just because you buy

bottled water (some brands aren't truly from a spring

source or. . .) doesn't mean it's better, so know what

you are paying for it may be no better than the tap

water you already pay for on your monthly bill! LOL

\ /

l Bottom's up and enjoy!

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> Message: 5

> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:23:39 EDT

> From: KathleenLS@...

> Subject: Not CMT - about viruses, hoaxes, and all

> that

>

> Dear friends,

> I like to remind you occasionally, and for the sake

> of newbies, that if you

> receive a message from someone, even a friend or

> relative, telling you to

> send some warning on to everyone, please send it

> privately to me first. I

> know how to find out if it is true or just something

> designed to worry people

> and to clutter the internet. I'll tell you if it's

> valid, usually within a

> short time. I'll be glad to check it out for you.

> kathleenls@...

>

> Virtually ALL messages of that sort are HOAXES, not

> true at all. They

> circulate around the internet endlessly because

> people are trusting and

> assume they are real problem situations.

>

> FYI:

> Things you really should know

>

> 1) Bill Gates will NOT give you $1,000 for reading

> his mail.

>

> 2) Disney is NOT giving $5,000 to 5,000 people.

>

> 3) If the subject of an e-mail is: Sorry I missed

> you

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October 10, 2000

To : (I THink)I went on digest to catch up with my e-mail, I have a

hard time with digest. a lot of repeats,and I have trouble remembering

who wrote what.LOL LOL. I write a column for themestream once a week on

chronic illness also, and sometimes when company comes, i get behind in

my E-mails. I much prefer the daily mails from this special group.This

group has a wholeness that fills every need.Lots of good friends,and

very very supportive. Unique and one of a kind. I am in Moosup,Conn. I

feel comfortable that you are so nearby.we will have to meet someday,

somehow. I have been housebound for 2 years,but on a good day, I've been

known to take a JAUNT. for a short time. LOL.If you click on PREV. in

the web ring below you can learn more about me.welcome to my part of the

world. and I'll be back on daily messages soon. I miss a lot on

Digest.Hello to ALL new members,while i'm at it here,and welcome to the

best egroup on the net.A GREATER THAN GREAT BUNCH.TRULY A FAMILY WORTH

HAVING.Huggs,bev.

YOU

CAN WRITE ME HERE

April 25, 2001

>It's been brought to my attention that Sara is having low energy in the

>afternoon. Because of this we are seeing defiant behaviors, refusing to

work

>etc... even some aggression but not too much of that lol

My son (13, ds) has always been kind of like this also. We have almost

always done some sort of snake mid morning and mid afternoon to help him

through the day, & had some down time scheduled into his day. He also was

diagnosed with sleep apnea, so he sleeps a lot at night, wakes up kind of

slow, and is tired by the afternoon. He uses a c-pap machine now, and

sleeps better, so he is more willing & able to do his school work, and make

it through the day.

, mom of (14), (13, ds) & Evan(8) :-)

November 15, 2001

Please put in the Geek Disease AQ test. I would love to read/take this. Tho

I am sure my husband is geekier than me. LOL

Thanks

November 25, 2001

,

I also agree with Sheila's concerns regarding the sign language in the

pre-school hand. programs as well as Early Intervention. When my twins were

diagnosed we went the EI route as well as the private speech therapy, We were

fortunate that we found a SLP that was also fluent in signing and she signed

along with her therapy...then she was promoted and of course no other SLPs

knew sign language like she did. Also I requested that the EI SLP that came

to the house 4 hours per week know sign language and of course trained in

teaching apraxic children and the " coordinator(?) " did her best to find one

trained in both but she had no luck....The SLP was more than willing to learn

how to sign, but I was doing that anyway.....When I had the twins evaled for

pre-school hand. they said that their teachers knew sign lang, but in fact

when I asked they did not. It seems you have everything covered!!!!!!!! Good

luck....I'll be thinking of you!!!!!!!! Kathy

November 30, 2001

Sorry, Have been getting ready for Christmas and this is a late response to

your email. All I can say is I understand and know what you are going

through. It is a one day at a time deal. I can remember that the first three

years,even with therapy were hell and I really try to forget them. I used to

cry myself to sleep and wonder what I did to get a child like my son.not only

is her apraxic but he also is very high strung and " difficult " which is even

harder. I really believe that God gave him to me so that I could learn

patience, which I never had and now things don't bother me. Anyway,enjoy the

small accomplishments and one day you will look back and see that you have

made a lot of progress since earlier in their life. Take care, as you have

found this group is great. Gretchen to 6 with apraxia.

December 30, 2001

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: msg 15

From: " " <rahughes@...>

2. Re: ICD's

From: Greenholt <tgreenho@...>

3. Re: Cold/Coughing

From: Greenholt <tgreenho@...>

4. My photo

From: Greenholt <tgreenho@...>

5. Re: Digest Number 448

From: " Janet " <jifrance@...>

6. RE Medtronic device

From: Munson <lmunson@...>

7. Re: Digest Number 448

From: Kathie Lazelle <iggy5519@...>

8. Re: My photo

From: rcsejt@...

9.

From: J <robertj@...>

10. Re: ICD's

From: HANK <kg6ee@...>

11. Re: ICD's

From: " BILLANDMARTHAMAHAN " <billandmarthamahan@...>

12. RE: ICD

From: HANK <kg6ee@...>

13. Re: ICD's

From: " TURK " <goturk1@...>

14. Re: RE: ICD

From: coolahm@...

15. Hey Bob

From: Munson <lmunson@...>

16. Re: ICD's

From: Kathie Lazelle <iggy5519@...>

17. Re: Digest Number 448

From: mw999@...

18. Re: ICD's

From: " Dave & Gail Forbes " <charade799@...>

19. Re: ICD's

From: HANK <kg6ee@...>

20. Re: To Phyllis, Per your zap and fear

From: pschatsky@...

21. Re: ICD's - Hank

From: Guin Van Dyke <guin@...>

22. Re: Where in California??

From: Rob Natsch <natschural@...>

23. Re: Re: Where in California??

From: " oplbeach " <oplbeach@...>

24. Re: Re: Where in California??

From: " BILLANDMARTHAMAHAN " <billandmarthamahan@...>

25. Re: ICD's

From: HANK <kg6ee@...>

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Message: 1

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:23:22 -0700

From: " " <rahughes@...>

Subject: Re: msg 15

Happy Holidays to all,

Re capacitators and battery recharging....I have one of the medtronic jewel

II's that they recalled due to charge time increasing disproportionately.

While my charge time is increasing, it isn't at the level to be worried

at yet. They're not taking this puppy out of me quite yet. When I

questioned

the pacemaker nurse about it they switched the auto recap to monthly rather

than 6 monthly and on my last 3 month check it had not lost any charge time

at all, in fact it may have gone down. Of course I have no idea what the

auto recap is, but the longer I can put off more surgery the happier I am.

Anyone understand enough about electrical systems to explain this one to

me?

Message: 15

Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:16:24 -0800 (PST)

From: Kathie Lazelle <iggy5519@...>

Subject: Re: ICD's

HANK <kg6ee@...> wrote: How many of you have kept your old zapper

when it was replaced?

Mine was taking a bit too long to recharge (or recycle).

Isn't it too bad that they can't recycle these with new batteries and

give them to 3rd world countries or may be they could use them

in some of the larger pets (Like a GREAT DANE). A Vet may know.

To those who did keep their old one, I'll bet you couldn't resist

passing

it around to the group at coffee asking if they could identify what it

was.

After they had thoroughly examined it, I just love to see the expression

on their

faces when you tell them what it is and where it had been. See how many

reach for a napkin to wipe their hands..... (GRIN)

Hank

Hank, Did you have your's replaced because the capacitor was taking too

long to

recharge? How long did you have to stay in the hospital? Was it day

surgery?

Overnight? Or what? I have to have mine replaced for that reason. I have

had

mine for almost three years. And I only worried about the batteries running

out.

Now I hear about the capacitor!!??

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Message: 2

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:59:39 -0500

From: Greenholt <tgreenho@...>

Subject: Re: ICD's

At 04:23 PM 12/28/01 -0800, you wrote:

>How many of you have kept your old zapper when it was replaced?

Hank,

I had my ICD replaced for the first time on September 10 (the day before

the terrorist tragedies). Before they started the procedure I asked if I

could have the old one. The Guidant representative who was present in the

operating room said I could but that they would have to sterilize it

first. The replacement was no big deal and I was home by afternoon with

just a little soreness. I did eventually receive my old ICD in the mail

with a label on it that said that it was sterilized, etc. I keep it in a

drawer. Most people I show it to kind of stand back like it may be

dangerous to be near....and I suspect it is kind of gross to them to know

that it was inside my body......Yuck!

Anyway, wouldn't it be good if they were willing to buy one back from you

for some future use. As expensive as they are, it would be nice to have

that money to use for a new one. Like trading in a car. But alas, as long

as there are insurance companies out there to pay, I doubt that this will

happen. Thank God for insurance.

Take care,

Tom in PA

>

>Please visit the Zapper homepage at

>http://www.ZapLife.org

>

February 19, 2002

When I say yogurt cream, I mean cream that has been cultured with yogurt.

It makes cream fraiche, otherwise known as yogurt cream. It is no longer

just plain cream. So when we make a frozen dessert from it, we think of it

as ice cream, but it is really high-fat frozen yogurt.

There is much less lactose in cream than in yogurt, but there is still a

little bit. To remove it all, you need to culture it for 48 hours. I think

it takes longer to culture cream than milk because of the high fat content

of cream.

If you are tolerant of the lactose in cream, then you probably don't have to

culture it to make ice cream - unless you want to.

People who are intolerant of dairy can be sensitive to the lactose in it or

to the milk protein. If you can eat hard cheese, then you can have the milk

protein. I'm not sure about butter; I think it carries the milk protein

also.

Best wishes,

> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:22:17 -0600

> From: " Dennis " <nancydancy@...>

> Subject: Re: ice cream recipe

>

> , you wrote:

>

> <snip>make yogurt cream (creme fraiche), incubating for 48 hours to remove all

> lactose.

>

> I'm wondering why you call it " yogurt " cream. The NT recipe for Creme

> Fraiche starts with cream. Are you using cream for this? And if so, does

> this mean that cream contains lactose? I am trying to understand the

> nature of my own intolerance for dairy. I seem to have no problem with

> butter and butter is made from cream. I have thought that butter IS cream

> minus the buttermilk. Is the lactose in the buttermilk?

>

> Thanks,

>

May 27, 2003

Thanks for the suggestions LeighAnn and . I got back a biopsy result of

the rashes on my arm and leg said it could be a drug sensitivity. My GP won't

give me anything but Lortab for the hep/fibro pain. I have tried to tell her

that the tylenol is killing my liver and giving me extreme itching that gets

worse in the sun, but then the age old bull--- about addiction rears it's ugly

head. when i talked to my gastro about it he doesn't believe in fibro and

suggested a shrink. Now I'm not saying that i'm too good to talk to a shrink,

done it many times before. But for pain?

Oh well, I am going to buy me one of those big hats and cover my arms and legs

while out in the sun, but it really pisses me off to have to do that in the

boat! but if that is the hardest thing i ever had to do life would be a breeze,

right?

I wonder if i replaced my trazadone with benedryl at night if that might take

care of the sleeping problem and the hives? i only take 25mg of trazadone.

Love ya all,

Joalle

May 27, 2003

Hi Joalle,

My therapist once gave me an antidepressant that is suppose to control pain,

by controling the pain sensations. It might work, but any doctor can give

you that.

I took Trazadone for a while to help me sleep, but my system got used to it

and it doesn't work any more, or takes me 3 hours to get to sleep. So I got

off of it. You have to get off of it gradually. Take 1/2 dose for awhile.

I take Tylenol PM at night, just one, and sometimes that helps me get to

sleep. It helps with the fever and aches and contains the meds in Benadryl.

Good luck with finding something that works for your pain.

Marie in Florida

May 27, 2003

US FILTHY DIRTY DRUG ADDICTS DONT DESERVE PAIN RELIEF!!!! I have put

up with that crap for so long now, even though I KNOW it's in my

best interests to be honest with my doctors.....I LIE about my past

drug use. I get a half good tooth ripped out of my mouth cause I

can't afford a root canal, take that back, I get a half good tooth

surgicaly removed from my mouth, and the bas---- can't even give me

tylenol #3s for the pain. Ya I did a lot of dope in my life and I

enjoyed the hell out of it. What's up with that? And I don't even

want to hear about the doctor putting himself at legal risk. The

same hospital had no problem giving me morphine and Vicadin when I

had my gall bladder removed. Joalle go back and ask that a-- hole if

he or she's a doctor or a cop??!! Sorry for the rant....one of my

pet peeves.

> Thanks for the suggestions LeighAnn and . I got back a

biopsy result of the rashes on my arm and leg said it could be a

drug sensitivity. My GP won't give me anything but Lortab for the

hep/fibro pain. I have tried to tell her that the tylenol is killing

my liver and giving me extreme itching that gets worse in the sun,

but then the age old bull--- about addiction rears it's ugly head.

when i talked to my gastro about it he doesn't believe in fibro and

suggested a shrink. Now I'm not saying that i'm too good to talk to

a shrink, done it many times before. But for pain?

> Oh well, I am going to buy me one of those big hats and cover my

arms and legs while out in the sun, but it really pisses me off to

have to do that in the boat! but if that is the hardest thing i ever

had to do life would be a breeze, right?

> I wonder if i replaced my trazadone with benedryl at night if that

might take care of the sleeping problem and the hives? i only take

25mg of trazadone.

> Love ya all,

> Joalle

>

May 27, 2003

Right on Man

--- overdehump <payton323@...> wrote:

> US FILTHY DIRTY DRUG ADDICTS DONT DESERVE PAIN

> RELIEF!!!! I have put

> up with that crap for so long now, even though I

> KNOW it's in my

> best interests to be honest with my doctors.....I

> LIE about my past

> drug use. I get a half good tooth ripped out of my

> mouth cause I

> can't afford a root canal, take that back, I get a

> half good tooth

> surgicaly removed from my mouth, and the bas----

> can't even give me

> tylenol #3s for the pain. Ya I did a lot of dope in

> my life and I

> enjoyed the hell out of it. What's up with that? And

> I don't even

> want to hear about the doctor putting himself at

> legal risk. The

> same hospital had no problem giving me morphine and

> Vicadin when I

> had my gall bladder removed. Joalle go back and ask

> that a-- hole if

> he or she's a doctor or a cop??!! Sorry for the

> rant....one of my

> pet peeves.

>

> > Thanks for the suggestions LeighAnn and .

> I got back a

> biopsy result of the rashes on my arm and leg said

> it could be a

> drug sensitivity. My GP won't give me anything but

> Lortab for the

> hep/fibro pain. I have tried to tell her that the

> tylenol is killing

> my liver and giving me extreme itching that gets

> worse in the sun,

> but then the age old bull--- about addiction rears

> it's ugly head.

> when i talked to my gastro about it he doesn't

> believe in fibro and

> suggested a shrink. Now I'm not saying that i'm too

> good to talk to

> a shrink, done it many times before. But for pain?

> > Oh well, I am going to buy me one of those big

> hats and cover my

> arms and legs while out in the sun, but it really

> pisses me off to

> have to do that in the boat! but if that is the

> hardest thing i ever

> had to do life would be a breeze, right?

> > I wonder if i replaced my trazadone with benedryl

> at night if that

> might take care of the sleeping problem and the

> hives? i only take

> 25mg of trazadone.

> > Love ya all,

> > Joalle

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May 28, 2003

I'm a drug addict in recovery, not filthy, certainly not dirty. As one

addict to another what are you whinin' about? Two years ago I had ALL my

teeth pulled and never took anything stronger than Motrin. I'm no saint, I

just didn't need it. Why do dope fiends always think they need to take

something? It's not for pain, it's just to forget where they are...And why

would I want to put more crap in my body that only taxes my liver more,

anyhow? Jesus, I have enough problems these days without adding to it all.

Some things are necessary, a great deal are not.

My problem is Doctors always trying to give me something that I don't want.

Kelli

-- Re: Digest Number 449

Right on Man

--- overdehump <payton323@...> wrote:

> US FILTHY DIRTY DRUG ADDICTS DONT DESERVE PAIN

> RELIEF!!!! I have put

> up with that crap for so long now, even though I

> KNOW it's in my

> best interests to be honest with my doctors.....I

> LIE about my past

> drug use. I get a half good tooth ripped out of my

> mouth cause I

> can't afford a root canal, take that back, I get a

> half good tooth

> surgicaly removed from my mouth, and the bas----

> can't even give me

> tylenol #3s for the pain. Ya I did a lot of dope in

> my life and I

> enjoyed the hell out of it. What's up with that? And

> I don't even

> want to hear about the doctor putting himself at

> legal risk. The

> same hospital had no problem giving me morphine and

> Vicadin when I

> had my gall bladder removed. Joalle go back and ask

> that a-- hole if

> he or she's a doctor or a cop??!! Sorry for the

> rant....one of my

> pet peeves.

>

> > Thanks for the suggestions LeighAnn and .

> I got back a

> biopsy result of the rashes on my arm and leg said

> it could be a

> drug sensitivity. My GP won't give me anything but

> Lortab for the

> hep/fibro pain. I have tried to tell her that the

> tylenol is killing

> my liver and giving me extreme itching that gets

> worse in the sun,

> but then the age old bull--- about addiction rears

> it's ugly head.

> when i talked to my gastro about it he doesn't

> believe in fibro and

> suggested a shrink. Now I'm not saying that i'm too

> good to talk to

> a shrink, done it many times before. But for pain?

> > Oh well, I am going to buy me one of those big

> hats and cover my

> arms and legs while out in the sun, but it really

> pisses me off to

> have to do that in the boat! but if that is the

> hardest thing i ever

> had to do life would be a breeze, right?

> > I wonder if i replaced my trazadone with benedryl

> at night if that

> might take care of the sleeping problem and the

> hives? i only take

> 25mg of trazadone.

> > Love ya all,

> > Joalle

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

May 28, 2003

If you want to play macho toughy go for it!My 1st wife had fillings

put in and would never use novacane. I got stabbed in the stomach

with an ice pick, and had to wait in the E.R. for 4 hours (5

gunshots ahead of me). I have had teeth pulled too. No big deal.

Ever had one cut out with a scalpel, and then had your gums stitched

up and offered tylenol? I'm glad you are in recovery but dont get

all huffed over the dirty filthy stuff you know! I'm just being

facetious. I used to go through a box of 100 syringes every 3 to 4

days. I REALLY like doing drugs, even though i'm over 3 years clean.

But back to the point here. Different people have different pain

thresholds, just like they have different reactions to the TX. Some

can tolerate it, some can't. Those that can't shouldn't be denied

the relief from their pain thats available through modern drugs,

because of their past. If you don't want pain drugs because you

think you are too weak to resist the urge to go back on them, then I

would say just go ahead and suffer then. But don't get in my face

because I'm angered over what I see as mistreatment of these people

by the doctors. That wasn't my last " whine " and this won't be my

last rant!!!!

" Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo " H.G. Wells

> > > Thanks for the suggestions LeighAnn and .

> > I got back a

> > biopsy result of the rashes on my arm and leg said

> > it could be a

> > drug sensitivity. My GP won't give me anything but

> > Lortab for the

> > hep/fibro pain. I have tried to tell her that the

> > tylenol is killing

> > my liver and giving me extreme itching that gets

> > worse in the sun,

> > but then the age old bull--- about addiction rears

> > it's ugly head.

> > when i talked to my gastro about it he doesn't

> > believe in fibro and

> > suggested a shrink. Now I'm not saying that i'm too

> > good to talk to

> > a shrink, done it many times before. But for pain?

> > > Oh well, I am going to buy me one of those big

> > hats and cover my

> > arms and legs while out in the sun, but it really

> > pisses me off to

> > have to do that in the boat! but if that is the

> > hardest thing i ever

> > had to do life would be a breeze, right?

> > > I wonder if i replaced my trazadone with benedryl

> > at night if that

> > might take care of the sleeping problem and the

> > hives? i only take

> > 25mg of trazadone.

> > > Love ya all,

> > > Joalle

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

May 29, 2003

this was not meant as a personal attack on you, it was meant as a question

to us all....do we really need to take something or many times is it that we

want to take something? After many years of recovery I have found that it

just isn't always necessary.....and people need to hear that too.........

- Re: Digest Number 449