Re: Digest Number 1449

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In a message dated 2/22/01 6:15:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

I am taking spirulina and other super green foods, digestive enzymes, dessicated liver, phosphatidal choline, acidophillus, concentrated predigested protien, milk thistle extract, evening primrose oil, and glucosamine. I ingest a lot of garlic, burdock root, shitake mushrooms, and immunity building herbs such as schizandra berry and maitake mushroom.

Juice and popcorn fasts seem to work wonders, and coffee enemas to help cleanse the colon. I do yoga and try to keep active, regardless

Hi, first part right up through and including glucosamine are all fine.and approved by almost if not all liver docs. The schiandra berry, , mushroom..fasting....coffee enemas..well.I will not personally ever try.

but, i wish you the best of luck. By the way..which liver disease is it you have????

Joanne C. (PBC), ~*~*~ List Moderator for LIVERSUPPORT_L Digest

http://pbcers.org

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I like hamburgers and french fries and pepsi. (the pickles are green)

What is that liver disease you have. I`m glad I don`t have it I don`t

think could live on those strange sounding things..

In a message dated 2/22/01 6:15:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes:

I am taking spirulina and other super green foods, digestive enzymes, dessicated liver, phosphatidal choline, acidophillus, concentrated predigested protien, milk thistle extract, evening primrose oil, and glucosamine. I ingest a lot of garlic, burdock root, shitake mushrooms, and immunity building herbs such as schizandra berry and maitake mushroom.

Juice and popcorn fasts seem to work wonders, and coffee enemas to help cleanse the colon. I do yoga and try to keep active, regardless

Hi, first part right up through and including glucosamine are all fine.and approved by almost if not all liver docs. The schiandra berry, , mushroom..fasting....coffee enemas..well.I will not personally ever try.

but, i wish you the best of luck. By the way..which liver disease is it you have????

Joanne C. (PBC), ~*~*~ List Moderator for LIVERSUPPORT_L Digest

http://pbcers.org

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wrote:

>I too started with BF. I stopped it because it was too

>stressful on my shoulder/neck area. Besides the fact

>that it was so loud that I felt like I had to shut myself

>in a room to do my breathing.

Boy, does that sound familiar! I tried BF a number of years ago, and

although I did get results, the breathing was too harsh, and I had to hide

in my bedroom to do the workout. Recently, I have been doing some

breathing exercises from " Jumpstart Your Metabolism " , but have not seen the

same kind of change that I did from BF. I am looking forward to trying a

gentler breath that I can do throughout the day.

~~ Jocelyne

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Which breaths were you doing? Many people have had great results from

doing the Baywatch Bikini Breath from that book. It is one that can be done

throughout the day.

Karma

http://www.loaves-n-fishes.com

Re: Digest Number 1449

> wrote:

> >I too started with BF. I stopped it because it was too

> >stressful on my shoulder/neck area. Besides the fact

> >that it was so loud that I felt like I had to shut myself

> >in a room to do my breathing.

>

> Boy, does that sound familiar! I tried BF a number of years ago, and

> although I did get results, the breathing was too harsh, and I had to hide

> in my bedroom to do the workout. Recently, I have been doing some

> breathing exercises from " Jumpstart Your Metabolism " , but have not seen

the

> same kind of change that I did from BF. I am looking forward to trying a

> gentler breath that I can do throughout the day.

>

> ~~ Jocelyne

>

>

>

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Boy have you come to the right place Jocelyne. I can't wait to hear what you

think about LL. It is incredible!

C

Re: Digest Number 1449

wrote:

>I too started with BF. I stopped it because it was too

>stressful on my shoulder/neck area. Besides the fact

>that it was so loud that I felt like I had to shut myself

>in a room to do my breathing.

Boy, does that sound familiar! I tried BF a number of years ago, and

although I did get results, the breathing was too harsh, and I had to hide

in my bedroom to do the workout. Recently, I have been doing some

breathing exercises from " Jumpstart Your Metabolism " , but have not seen the

same kind of change that I did from BF. I am looking forward to trying a

gentler breath that I can do throughout the day.

~~ Jocelyne

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Welcome

R

YOU willLOve it!! It can go anywhere with it

Re: Digest Number 1449

wrote:

>I too started with BF. I stopped it because it was too

>stressful on my shoulder/neck area. Besides the fact

>that it was so loud that I felt like I had to shut myself

>in a room to do my breathing.

Boy, does that sound familiar! I tried BF a number of years ago, and

although I did get results, the breathing was too harsh, and I had to hide

in my bedroom to do the workout. Recently, I have been doing some

breathing exercises from " Jumpstart Your Metabolism " , but have not seen the

same kind of change that I did from BF. I am looking forward to trying a

gentler breath that I can do throughout the day.

~~ Jocelyne

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I feel I must reply to these 2 postings if only to encourage Senate readers.

I see Sure Start as a means (not the means) to an end, with the end being

the provision of locally delivered services based on need; I'm not just

talking about health services either. Sure Start has enabled innovative

work to take place and initiatives to develop that would have been unlikely

to have happened without this opportunity. In the PCT where I work, what

our health team is doing is seen as a pilot for wider practice development

and the aim is to replicate this new model of service delivery elsewhere,

particularly in other regeneration areas that have not yet had the benefits

of Sure Start. I don't see that any developments have to be limited to

families with pre-school children as what we're talking about is essentially

a community development approach.

Yes Sure Start is going, but my understanding of children's centres is that

the PCTs will not be expected to provide all the funding. One of Sure

Start's many legacies will be the multi-agency working - and funding - that

is meant to be continued. If we don't hang onto this hope I for one would

see no point in doing what I do as, for me, the return to the traditional

ways is not an option.

Gill

Re: Digest Number 1445

Thank You Gill your experience is fascinating, it seems to echo what

I hear of many Sure Starts. Our local Sure Start is in wave 6 and

only just up and running!! It seems to be bound up in red tape,

trying to recruit and ultimatley relying on agency staff, with any

referrals not being actioned and very little actual family support

work being carried out! I am also mindful of the postcode issue and

find the criteria of postcoding a difficult one as I believe needs

assessment should be the way of getting services. (I live and

Dream!!)

Our PCT on the other hand is very supportive of Public health work

and desperate to get away from the medical model of health visiting.

We are about to cease child health surveillence in the traditional

sense and replace it with group health promrotion sessions. I have

to agree with the comment though that it is often health visitors

that are resistant to change and we have experienced that within our

trust also.

Well I better get back to my assignment, posting this was a nice

excuse to have a break!! Lifelong learning eh?? love it or loathe it

it has to be done!

Rees

> Go easy Ruth. No guru me, just holding the space. The embodied

knowledge

> you and Annie show is magic to listen to. Your engagement on so

many fronts

> as you work with a very disadvantaged population in a small town

should be

> shared. I really do believe health visiting practice emerges out

of the

> individuals who practice it. This must be so because why are none

of the

> rest of us doing it quite like you? You are creating a sense of

community

> that is exactly what is needed in your area (probably mine too!).

In a

> million years I could never set up a Junior Pop Idols competition

that was

> so successful the adults now want to do it, or a Christmas play,

or make the

> regular weekend carboot sales, they chose as their project, a

health

> enhancing experience. I love the stories about how the most

unlikely people

> learn to manage the food and balance the books. The woman's

dilemma about

> keeping the rolls under wraps so no one would breathe on them but

then not

> selling any because no one could

> see them, and then letting her mates have some so they made no

profit,

> tells so much about processes of learning. You even have people

giving up

> smoking and helping each other out in new ways. I believe some now

want to

> get their teeth stumps fixed.

>

> Although no one could emmulate the way you two work, you are each

such

> different but complementary personalities with your own special

skills. You

> give such hope and inspiration to your communities and to the rest

of us.

> You have suggested your families might say, 'She alright that

Ruth, talks

> posh, but she's alright'. I believe the way to make your

unrepeatable

> projects and knowledge useful and transferable for health visiting

is by

> using your stories to make the underlying values guiding what you

do public

> so that we can begin to clarify the guiding principles that inform

the way

> we approach our own work.

>

> Margaret wonders what in our history led us to loose this

preventive work.

> I had an insight last night as Liz Mathews and I tried to make

sense of data

> from our local health visiting mapping exercise. I wonder if it

began to go

> wrong with the advent of practice profiling. I understand this is

> provocative but it is a genuine question that others might be able

to help

> me. Why do i think this? From what I have seen, profiling seems

to be a

> very time consuming activity that often does not lead on to useful

action

> for families (except in your case Ruth and I am sure nameable

others). HVs

> lie back panting at the end saying, 'thank goodness thats done'

and the

> skills for taking it to the next stage are often very different

from those

> required of profiling. Profiling is borne out of a medico-

scientific need

> to know for sure and I wonder if it risks promoting top down

> professional-led activity in what happens next. Client-led

identification

> and tackling of needs that go hand in hand

> as they arise locally are not nearly so easily shareable with

service

> watchers because of the lack of simple numeric facts. I may be

wrong about

> this Ruth, but i seems to me you are now responding to community

needs in

> different ways to those you planned at the end of your profiling

research.

> The work you did then was massive, needed tremendous energy and I

believe

> you might say it was a vital stepping stone of learning to what

you are

> doing now. My question is, how do you think health visitors could

be

> supported in going straight to being community/client-led and

respond in

> creative ways without persisting with the potentially practice

tainting

> activity of topdown profiling. I hope you do not feel criticised

by this

> question it is a genuine one asked because I know you are now

thinking about

> sustainablity of your learning.

>

> We are finding different ways of explaining what we are doing that

will

> never satisfy those who love numbers but will begin to get at the

heart of

> what is really important to the most socially excluded in our

communities.

> Robyn

>

>

>

>

>

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> Thanks for the info. I will watch out for those side effects. I'm

feeling much

better this week and seem to have more energy since starting on Arava.

I was even

on my feet for 3 hours last night. I haven't done that in over a year.

How long

were you on this before the numbness and tingling started.

I've had okay luck with Arava, although I've only been on it 6 weeks or

so. The fatigue is better, as is some of the joint pain, but I'm still

only able to work a couple of hours at a time. And forget dishes,

laundry, gardening, etc.

But I've had no side effects and apparently my labs are okay since I

haven't heard from them...

Good luck

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Dear ,By disappointing, do you mean that they still felt OK but weren't as wowed by the T3 & T4 training as the first time around? By all means, I would continue it for few more sessions and monitor whether the trainee notices that he or she feels better overall, perhaps in subtle ways. I've noticed that when temporal training is indicated by the assesesment, it almost always prompts a dramatic and immediate response--people just feel sooo much better. As they continue training at the temporals, the effects become stabilized. So, they continue to feel better but the effects are not so dramatic. You could also, at the same sites, try a squish (18-35 down) or a windowed squash (allowing alpha and lowbeta to increase). Trainees sometimes prefer one approach over the other. Jane

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