Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Diane, My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and Europe. I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares one iota about HBOT. HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but it is a systematic problem. You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. Please leave them at the door. Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We have succeeded and failed. You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or reality is. Ed At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > >Dianne > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip >). > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to >the known natural history of the disease. > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined >to a wheelchair. > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour >treatment per week, without end. > >Studies you can refer to include: >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England >Journal of >Medicine 1983 > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder >dysfunction " . > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we >can! > >Alan >Manager >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre >UK > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other >neurological diseases. > > > > > > Ed Nemeth President, CEO Spectrum Events 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-856-7044 x 339 916-856-7040 (fax) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Ed, Although I get your point, don't say that no one in the pharm business cares about HBOT, as this is not true in all cases. Diane, you need to show what has asked of you. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Regression Diane, My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and Europe. I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares one iota about HBOT. HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but it is a systematic problem. You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. Please leave them at the door. Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We have succeeded and failed. You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or reality is. Ed At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > >Dianne > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip >). > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to >the known natural history of the disease. > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined >to a wheelchair. > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour >treatment per week, without end. > >Studies you can refer to include: >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England >Journal of >Medicine 1983 > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder >dysfunction " . > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we >can! > >Alan >Manager >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre >UK > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other >neurological diseases. > > > > > > Ed Nemeth President, CEO Spectrum Events 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-856-7044 x 339 916-856-7040 (fax) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I'll clarify my last statement. Not every child experiences regression after HBOT is stopped, and the number of sessions required to avoid regression varies. Typically, after two blocks of 40 treatments, there will be minimal regression. However, to achieve the full benefits of HBOT for your child, which means doing HBOT until you child sees no further improvements from it, between 300 and 1,000 treatments are often necessary. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I deal with many R & D depts for many Pharma cos.... they don;t know what HBOT is, and they don't care. HBOT does nothing to them. For ex., I have worked with products for wound care in the US and Europe... the R & D groups know nothing about HBOT. And, if they did, they really couldn't give a rats a$$. Look, we managed the world's largest interventional cardiology study... 45,000 patients in over 100 countries... actaully three blockbuster products of over $1 BB in initial sales each, our main competitor was Roche.... those groups, for example, focused on getting the research done and getting to market. They had no time for the competitor.... they had too much of their own work to do. You delude yourself with ideas of conspiracy. If they don't know what it is, don;'t know what it does, and it is already to market, they really don';t care. I guarantee you that you don't know what you are talking about. HBOT is just about this big in medicine..... the reasons are systemic, and established. You have no idea what you are talking about. At 07:09 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >Ed, > >Although I get your point, don't say that no one in the pharm >business cares about HBOT, as this is not true in all cases. > >Diane, you need to show what has asked of you. > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Re: [ ] Re: Regression > > >Diane, > >My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma >drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished >another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and Europe. > >I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares >one iota about HBOT. > >HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US >medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but >it is a systematic problem. > >You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > >Please leave them at the door. > >Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade >now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... >we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We >have succeeded and failed. > >You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or >reality is. > >Ed > > > >At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > > >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > > > >Dianne > > > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and > >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > >). > > > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind > >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to > >the known natural history of the disease. > > > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to > >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > >to a wheelchair. > > > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > > > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to > >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > >treatment per week, without end. > > > >Studies you can refer to include: > >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > >Journal of > >Medicine 1983 > > > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > > > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > > > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > > > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & > >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. > >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > > > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis > >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > > > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for > >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, > >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > >dysfunction " . > > > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > >can! > > > >Alan > >Manager > >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > >UK > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth >President, CEO >Spectrum Events >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 >Sacramento, CA 95814 > >916-856-7044 x 339 >916-856-7040 (fax) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Diane, There is a specific reason why kids with autism regress, and it is because their DAN doc doesn't know what he/she is doing. Think about it.... if you understand what is going on physiologically. Ed At 08:04 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >I'll clarify my last statement. Not every child experiences regression >after HBOT is stopped, and the number of sessions required to avoid >regression varies. Typically, after two blocks of 40 treatments, there >will be minimal regression. However, to achieve the full benefits of >HBOT for your child, which means doing HBOT until you child sees no >further improvements from it, between 300 and 1,000 treatments are >often necessary. > >Diane > > Ed Nemeth President, CEO Spectrum Events 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-856-7044 x 339 916-856-7040 (fax) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 I certainly agree that some DAN doctors are more knowledgeable than others. I've heard from parents who rented a portable chamber from their DAN doctor for $3,000 a month and who were surprised when their children regressed when they stopped HBOT after only one month of treatments. Diane > > Diane, > > There is a specific reason why kids with autism regress, and it is > because their DAN doc doesn't know what he/she is doing. > > Think about it.... if you understand what is going on physiologically. > > Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 there you go ED, My brother inlaw is vp of Lilly, Dr so please I really dont want to hear it, Diane. Re: [ ] Re: Regression > Diane, > > My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma > drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished > another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and > Europe. > > I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares > one iota about HBOT. > > HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US > medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but > it is a systematic problem. > > You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > > Please leave them at the door. > > Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade > now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... > we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We > have succeeded and failed. > > You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or > reality is. > > Ed > > > > At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > >>Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs >>are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the >>United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple >>Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are >>frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. >> >>Dianne >> >>There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and >>over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of >>1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has >>monitored the results from these centres and produced a report >>entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with >>Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip >>). >> >>The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 >>patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind >>I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of >>the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to >>the known natural history of the disease. >> >>Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of >>decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period >>of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who >>had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had >>deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who >>received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents >>a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to >>use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined >>to a wheelchair. >> >>The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued >>use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. >> From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this >>treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. >> >>Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour >>treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to >>1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour >>treatment per week, without end. >> >>Studies you can refer to include: >>Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A >>randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England >>Journal of >>Medicine 1983 >> >>Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple >>Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with >>evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting >>of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 >> >>Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of >>Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric >>oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple >>par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 >> >> et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term >>results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 >>and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a >>placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, >>Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 >> >>Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following >>hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & >>Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. >>Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. >> >>Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis >>and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. >>Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. >> >>The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably >>based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the >>disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the >>safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that >>there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of >>HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for >>treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, >>it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for >>treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder >>dysfunction " . >> >>There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop >>arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we >>can! >> >>Alan >>Manager >>The Sussex MS Treatment Centre >>UK >> >> >> > >> > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home >>therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he >>has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I >>wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of >>HBOT for " regression. " >> > >> > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to >>avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant >>medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is >>achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. >> > >> > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must >>consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. >> > >> > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably >>try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- >>there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other >>neurological diseases. >> > >> > >> >> > > Ed Nemeth > President, CEO > Spectrum Events > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > 916-856-7044 x 339 > 916-856-7040 (fax) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I never said that Big Pharma cared about HBOT, Brett said that. I said that because of the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, only drug treatments are considered for neurological disorders. If you want to learn more about Big Pharma's lies, deceptions, and frauds, there's an excellent blog called Pharmalot. The things you will read on this blog about Big Pharma will really make you sick. Here's the link - http://www.pharmalot.com. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ed, Ask Merck what their feelings are. I know first hand that they are watching this closely. I am not saying there is any big conspiracy or anything like that, never did, I am just saying that they are not turning a blind eye, as you have basically stated. I am not challenging you or your work, nor will I argue with you, and for everyone's sake I hope they leave us alone. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Regression > > >Diane, > >My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma >drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished >another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and Europe. > >I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares >one iota about HBOT. > >HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US >medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but >it is a systematic problem. > >You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > >Please leave them at the door. > >Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade >now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... >we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We >have succeeded and failed. > >You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or >reality is. > >Ed > > > >At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > > >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > > > >Dianne > > > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and > >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > >). > > > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind > >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to > >the known natural history of the disease. > > > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to > >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > >to a wheelchair. > > > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > > > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to > >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > >treatment per week, without end. > > > >Studies you can refer to include: > >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > >Journal of > >Medicine 1983 > > > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > > > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > > > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > > > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & > >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. > >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > > > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis > >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > > > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for > >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, > >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > >dysfunction " . > > > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > >can! > > > >Alan > >Manager > >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > >UK > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth >President, CEO >Spectrum Events >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 >Sacramento, CA 95814 > >916-856-7044 x 339 >916-856-7040 (fax) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I disagree with Ed 100% O2 ! Comon, you live in Fantasyland or what ? High level executive from Merck and Lilly should be sent to jail! Add Monsanto on the list and a few dozen more. Your government allowed the poisoning of your people, your children and your land. What a ridiculous irony to be conducting research to find out what is causing cancer and all these unheard of diseases. To a point where it is a shame in the history of this planet. Watch ''The world according to Monsanto''... Of course there are many conspiracies whether you want to admit it or hear it or not. How can any government who supposedly serves its people shield vaccine manufacturers from litigations for damages with their toxic products??? You would like them to get away with this ? More soon on the dirty links of Merck against hyperbarics in Montreal... You have to know what is going on if you really want to change things in this world. And criminals have to be accused, trialed and taken off the streets (including Wall Street). Do yourself a favor, join Mike and Dr Mercola's list for some education about the shadow ruling Elite corruption of the healthcare field: http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.html http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/02/big-pharma-ties-wa\ nts-to-shut-down-vaccine-conspiracy-theories.aspx?source=nl > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > >President, CEO > >Spectrum Events > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Diane, please listen to Ed. Take his advice regression. As he stated it has to be done correctly. If you feel that there is some regression and should be or that you are not comfortable with the results  then consult or send your paitents with autism elsewhere. I'm not saying that to be rude. I just want the best for all the paitents.  Thanks for the CV on your trainer Charlie . I know he works for Andi International but does he also work for performance. I saw a report on a chamber that was slashed in Atlanta the company was performance and his name was on the report. I guess that really does not matter I was just wondering if it was the same guy. No big deal.  Thanks for providing the CV " S you have a great day.. From: hbotforhealth <diane@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Regression medicaid Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:24 AM I certainly agree that some DAN doctors are more knowledgeable than others. I've heard from parents who rented a portable chamber from their DAN doctor for $3,000 a month and who were surprised when their children regressed when they stopped HBOT after only one month of treatments. Diane > > Diane, > > There is a specific reason why kids with autism regress, and it is > because their DAN doc doesn't know what he/she is doing. > > Think about it.... if you understand what is going on physiologically. > > Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Vp of what? At 11:25 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >there you go ED, My brother inlaw is vp of Lilly, Dr so please I >really dont want to hear it, Diane. > > Re: [ ] Re: Regression > > > Diane, > > > > My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma > > drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished > > another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and > > Europe. > > > > I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares > > one iota about HBOT. > > > > HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US > > medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but > > it is a systematic problem. > > > > You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > > > > Please leave them at the door. > > > > Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade > > now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... > > we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We > > have succeeded and failed. > > > > You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or > > reality is. > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > > > >>Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > >>are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > >>United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > >>Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > >>frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > >> > >>Dianne > >> > >>There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and > >>over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > >>1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > >>monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > >>entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > >>Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > >>). > >> > >>The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > >>patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind > >>I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > >>the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to > >>the known natural history of the disease. > >> > >>Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > >>decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > >>of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > >>had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > >>deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > >>received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > >>a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to > >>use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > >>to a wheelchair. > >> > >>The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > >>use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > >> From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > >>treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > >> > >>Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > >>treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to > >>1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > >>treatment per week, without end. > >> > >>Studies you can refer to include: > >>Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > >>randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > >>Journal of > >>Medicine 1983 > >> > >>Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > >>Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > >>evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > >>of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > >> > >>Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > >>Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > >>oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > >>par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > >> > >> et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > >>results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > >>and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > >>placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > >>Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > >> > >>Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > >>hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & > >>Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. > >>Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > >> > >>Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis > >>and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > >>Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > >> > >>The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > >>based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > >>disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > >>safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > >>there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > >>HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for > >>treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, > >>it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > >>treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > >>dysfunction " . > >> > >>There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > >>arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > >>can! > >> > >>Alan > >>Manager > >>The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > >>UK > >> > >> > >> > > >> > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > >>therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > >>has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > >>wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > >>HBOT for " regression. " > >> > > >> > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > >>avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > >>medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > >>achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > >> > > >> > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > >>consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > >> > > >> > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > >>try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > >>there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > >>neurological diseases. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > Ed Nemeth > > President, CEO > > Spectrum Events > > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > > Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > > 916-856-7044 x 339 > > 916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 But, that is not Big Pharam'as corruption. That is the systematic weakness of the US medical system THe US system " requires " physicians to show preference to drugs which have a series of peer reviewed publications, and types of studies that enable physicians to refer to for their own medical liability protection. The concepts of Experts are deep, but selectively used and abused towards that end. Let's face the facts, if a physician orders a therapy for a child, which is highly successful, but might have a nominal side effect, then the parent can sue the physician for malpractice and win. All that has to happen is the child's lawyer gets the physician on the stand, and he asks him to present the " peer reviewed published articles that support his decision " . The Dr says, " well, there are none " or " there are only a couple " . But, it clearly helped the..... " No, that's enough. thanks you. So, you treated the child with no basis in prudent medicine whatsoever..... " Case closed. That is one example. The second example is the way that we view experts in America. Look a Terri Schiavo..... look at the " experts " who were on TV 24/7 advocating for her murder. They were neurological experts, but had no experience in testing her, had, no expertise in " hypoxic ischemia " , and are like experts in one of Gulliver's Travels who have no idea of what they are talking about, but are respected none-the-less. This is the second weakness of our system. I experienced this directly in our lawsuit against CA. No laws were obeyed, no accurate neurology was testified to, but the court liked the idea of the " expertise " of ALTA REgional and thus accepted their clearly unqualified experts.... despite the judge's own statements and case testimony. Every Pharam obeys FDA regs, which are est. by bureaucrats, who have no clue of the value of non-proprietary drugs (HBOT). the fact is there is no money in HBOT, and so no one cares about it. Big money chases big money. Period. At 12:17 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >I never said that Big Pharma cared about HBOT, Brett said that. I said >that because of the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, only drug >treatments are considered for neurological disorders. > >If you want to learn more about Big Pharma's lies, deceptions, and >frauds, there's an excellent blog called Pharmalot. The things you >will read on this blog about Big Pharma will really make you sick. > >Here's the link - <http://www.pharmalot.com.>http://www.pharmalot.com. > >Diane > > Ed Nemeth President, CEO Spectrum Events 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 Sacramento, CA 95814 916-856-7044 x 339 916-856-7040 (fax) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Yes, I am sure the Merck is concerned about HBOT regarding its $24 billion in 2007 revenues; with its most important drugs (SINGULAIR, JANUVIA, GARDASIL and VARIVAX) which treat allergies, diabetes, Human Papillomavirus, and chicken pox. Look, from my formal MBA training, and my personal experience in pharmco industry, it is no on the radar. If I worked for Merck, and put a lot of time into defeating a $50 MM market, I would lose my job. If I didn't lose my job, I would lose my opportunities for advancement. I have done wound care studies..... the docs and that pharma's studying wound care drugs have completely dismissed HBOT and ineffective. They just don't care. That doesn't make for an incredible conspiracy. Like gumshoe detectives, you have to follow the money. And the money is in PROPRIETARY DRugs. They spend 25% of revenues on education and " marketing " meeting with docs and explaining the drugs benefits. That is the problems. 25% of all pharma revenues go into " sales and marketing " . ok? That is not a conspiracy, it is a systemic fact. Our medical system. And, when liberals get elected, it will become more extreme. At 12:52 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >Ed, > >Ask Merck what their feelings are. I know first hand that they are >watching this closely. >I am not saying there is any big conspiracy or anything like that, >never did, I am just saying that they are not turning a blind eye, >as you have basically stated. >I am not challenging you or your work, nor will I argue with you, >and for everyone's sake I hope they leave us alone. > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Re: [ ] Re: Regression > > > > > >Diane, > > > >My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma > >drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished > >another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US > and Europe. > > > >I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares > >one iota about HBOT. > > > >HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US > >medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but > >it is a systematic problem. > > > >You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > > > >Please leave them at the door. > > > >Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade > >now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... > >we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We > >have succeeded and failed. > > > >You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or > >reality is. > > > >Ed > > > > > > > >At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > > >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > > >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > > >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > > >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > > > > > >Dianne > > > > > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and > > >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > > >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > > >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > > >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > > >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > > >). > > > > > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > > >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind > > >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > > >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to > > >the known natural history of the disease. > > > > > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > > >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > > >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > > >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > > >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > > >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > > >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to > > >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > > >to a wheelchair. > > > > > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > > >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > > > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > > >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > > > > > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > > >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to > > >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > > >treatment per week, without end. > > > > > >Studies you can refer to include: > > >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > > >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > > >Journal of > > >Medicine 1983 > > > > > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > > >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > > >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > > >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > > > > > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > > >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > > >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > > >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > > > > > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > > >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > > >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > > >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > > >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > > > > > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > > >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & > > >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. > > >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > > > > > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis > > >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > > >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > > > > > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > > >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > > >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > > >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > > >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > > >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for > > >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, > > >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > > >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > > >dysfunction " . > > > > > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > > >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > > >can! > > > > > >Alan > > >Manager > > >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > > >UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > >President, CEO > >Spectrum Events > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Lilly Pharm/ compamy in In. the Lilly Re: [ ] Re: Regression >> >> > Diane, >> > >> > My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma >> > drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished >> > another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and >> > Europe. >> > >> > I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares >> > one iota about HBOT. >> > >> > HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US >> > medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but >> > it is a systematic problem. >> > >> > You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. >> > >> > Please leave them at the door. >> > >> > Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade >> > now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... >> > we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We >> > have succeeded and failed. >> > >> > You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or >> > reality is. >> > >> > Ed >> > >> > >> > >> > At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >> > >> >>Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs >> >>are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the >> >>United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple >> >>Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are >> >>frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. >> >> >> >>Dianne >> >> >> >>There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and >> >>over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of >> >>1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has >> >>monitored the results from these centres and produced a report >> >>entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with >> >>Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip >> >>). >> >> >> >>The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 >> >>patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind >> >>I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of >> >>the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to >> >>the known natural history of the disease. >> >> >> >>Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of >> >>decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period >> >>of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who >> >>had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had >> >>deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who >> >>received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents >> >>a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to >> >>use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined >> >>to a wheelchair. >> >> >> >>The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued >> >>use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. >> >> From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this >> >>treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. >> >> >> >>Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour >> >>treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to >> >>1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour >> >>treatment per week, without end. >> >> >> >>Studies you can refer to include: >> >>Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A >> >>randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England >> >>Journal of >> >>Medicine 1983 >> >> >> >>Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple >> >>Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with >> >>evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting >> >>of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 >> >> >> >>Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of >> >>Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric >> >>oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple >> >>par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 >> >> >> >> et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term >> >>results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 >> >>and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a >> >>placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, >> >>Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 >> >> >> >>Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following >> >>hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & >> >>Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. >> >>Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. >> >> >> >>Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis >> >>and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. >> >>Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. >> >> >> >>The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably >> >>based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the >> >>disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the >> >>safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that >> >>there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of >> >>HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for >> >>treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, >> >>it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for >> >>treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder >> >>dysfunction " . >> >> >> >>There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop >> >>arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we >> >>can! >> >> >> >>Alan >> >>Manager >> >>The Sussex MS Treatment Centre >> >>UK >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home >> >>therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he >> >>has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I >> >>wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of >> >>HBOT for " regression. " >> >> > >> >> > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to >> >>avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant >> >>medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is >> >>achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. >> >> > >> >> > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must >> >>consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. >> >> > >> >> > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably >> >>try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- >> >>there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other >> >>neurological diseases. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > Ed Nemeth >> > President, CEO >> > Spectrum Events >> > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 >> > Sacramento, CA 95814 >> > >> > 916-856-7044 x 339 >> > 916-856-7040 (fax) >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 , This does nothing against my discussion. the point was made that it is a " conspiracy " by Big Pharma. It is not. It is a conspiracy of a completely broken system designed and focused on proprietary technologies. Thakns, Ed At 01:33 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >I disagree with Ed 100% O2 ! Comon, you live in Fantasyland or what ? >High level executive from Merck and Lilly should be sent to jail! >Add Monsanto on the list and a few dozen more. Your government allowed >the poisoning of your people, your children and your land. What a >ridiculous irony to be conducting research to find out what is causing >cancer and all these unheard of diseases. To a point where it is a >shame in the history of this planet. Watch ''The world according to >Monsanto''... >Of course there are many conspiracies whether you want to admit it or >hear it or not. How can any government who supposedly serves its >people shield vaccine manufacturers from litigations for damages with >their toxic products??? You would like them to get away with this ? > >More soon on the dirty links of Merck against hyperbarics in >Montreal... You have to know what is going on if you really want to >change things in this world. And criminals have to be accused, trialed >and taken off the streets (including Wall Street). > >Do yourself a favor, join Mike and Dr Mercola's list for some >education about the shadow ruling Elite corruption of the healthcare >field: > ><http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.html>http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.htm\ l > >http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/02/big-pharma-ties-w\ ants-to-shut-down-vaccine-conspiracy-theories.aspx?source=nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you >must > > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > > >President, CEO > > >Spectrum Events > > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I agree!, My brother in law told me, Sure HBOT works, but If I can not bottle it and sell it, and make money I wont. He will not help me with any grants or research, it is just a fact. He is a doctor and a scientist, and VP it wont happen Re: [ ] Re: Regression >> > >> > >> >Diane, >> > >> >My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma >> >drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished >> >another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US >> and Europe. >> > >> >I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares >> >one iota about HBOT. >> > >> >HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US >> >medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but >> >it is a systematic problem. >> > >> >You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. >> > >> >Please leave them at the door. >> > >> >Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade >> >now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... >> >we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We >> >have succeeded and failed. >> > >> >You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or >> >reality is. >> > >> >Ed >> > >> > >> > >> >At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >> > >> > >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs >> > >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the >> > >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple >> > >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are >> > >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. >> > > >> > >Dianne >> > > >> > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and >> > >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of >> > >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has >> > >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report >> > >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with >> > >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip >> > >). >> > > >> > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 >> > >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind >> > >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of >> > >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to >> > >the known natural history of the disease. >> > > >> > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of >> > >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period >> > >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who >> > >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had >> > >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who >> > >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents >> > >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to >> > >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined >> > >to a wheelchair. >> > > >> > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued >> > >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. >> > > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this >> > >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. >> > > >> > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour >> > >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to >> > >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour >> > >treatment per week, without end. >> > > >> > >Studies you can refer to include: >> > >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A >> > >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England >> > >Journal of >> > >Medicine 1983 >> > > >> > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple >> > >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with >> > >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting >> > >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 >> > > >> > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of >> > >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric >> > >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple >> > >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 >> > > >> > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term >> > >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 >> > >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a >> > >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, >> > >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 >> > > >> > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following >> > >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & >> > >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. >> > >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. >> > > >> > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis >> > >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. >> > >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. >> > > >> > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably >> > >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the >> > >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the >> > >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that >> > >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of >> > >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for >> > >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, >> > >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for >> > >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder >> > >dysfunction " . >> > > >> > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop >> > >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we >> > >can! >> > > >> > >Alan >> > >Manager >> > >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre >> > >UK >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home >> > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he >> > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I >> > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of >> > >HBOT for " regression. " >> > > > >> > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to >> > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant >> > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is >> > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. >> > > > >> > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must >> > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. >> > > > >> > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably >> > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- >> > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other >> > >neurological diseases. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >Ed Nemeth >> >President, CEO >> >Spectrum Events >> >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 >> >Sacramento, CA 95814 >> > >> >916-856-7044 x 339 >> >916-856-7040 (fax) >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Lilly has 42,600 employees. Please forward his phone number and I will discuss the question of whether Lilly has conspired to hold back HBOT, or not. At 08:18 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >Lilly Pharm/ compamy in In. the Lilly > > Re: [ ] Re: Regression > >> > >> > Diane, > >> > > >> > My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma > >> > drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished > >> > another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US and > >> > Europe. > >> > > >> > I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares > >> > one iota about HBOT. > >> > > >> > HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US > >> > medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but > >> > it is a systematic problem. > >> > > >> > You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > >> > > >> > Please leave them at the door. > >> > > >> > Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade > >> > now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... > >> > we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We > >> > have succeeded and failed. > >> > > >> > You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or > >> > reality is. > >> > > >> > Ed > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > >> > > >> >>Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > >> >>are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > >> >>United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > >> >>Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > >> >>frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > >> >> > >> >>Dianne > >> >> > >> >>There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and > >> >>over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > >> >>1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > >> >>monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > >> >>entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > >> >>Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > >> >>). > >> >> > >> >>The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > >> >>patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind > >> >>I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > >> >>the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to > >> >>the known natural history of the disease. > >> >> > >> >>Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > >> >>decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > >> >>of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > >> >>had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > >> >>deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > >> >>received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > >> >>a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to > >> >>use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > >> >>to a wheelchair. > >> >> > >> >>The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > >> >>use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > >> >> From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > >> >>treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > >> >> > >> >>Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > >> >>treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to > >> >>1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > >> >>treatment per week, without end. > >> >> > >> >>Studies you can refer to include: > >> >>Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > >> >>randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > >> >>Journal of > >> >>Medicine 1983 > >> >> > >> >>Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > >> >>Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > >> >>evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > >> >>of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > >> >> > >> >>Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > >> >>Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > >> >>oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > >> >>par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > >> >> > >> >> et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > >> >>results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > >> >>and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > >> >>placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > >> >>Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > >> >> > >> >>Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > >> >>hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & > >> >>Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. > >> >>Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > >> >> > >> >>Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis > >> >>and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > >> >>Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > >> >> > >> >>The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > >> >>based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > >> >>disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > >> >>safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > >> >>there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > >> >>HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for > >> >>treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, > >> >>it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > >> >>treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > >> >>dysfunction " . > >> >> > >> >>There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > >> >>arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > >> >>can! > >> >> > >> >>Alan > >> >>Manager > >> >>The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > >> >>UK > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > >> >>therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > >> >>has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > >> >>wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > >> >>HBOT for " regression. " > >> >> > > >> >> > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > >> >>avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > >> >>medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > >> >>achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > >> >> > > >> >> > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > >> >>consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > >> >> > > >> >> > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > >> >>try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > >> >>there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > >> >>neurological diseases. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > Ed Nemeth > >> > President, CEO > >> > Spectrum Events > >> > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > >> > Sacramento, CA 95814 > >> > > >> > 916-856-7044 x 339 > >> > 916-856-7040 (fax) > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 All I am saying is that we received a very argumentative call from a high ranking person from Merck. I am not going to go into the details, but it started out with him saying " I understand you are curing people ... " At this point, I agree with you, there isn't enough money in HBOT to really get their attention, but to think they are not keeping an eye out is naïve. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Regression > > > > > >Diane, > > > >My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma > >drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished > >another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US > and Europe. > > > >I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares > >one iota about HBOT. > > > >HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US > >medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but > >it is a systematic problem. > > > >You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > > > >Please leave them at the door. > > > >Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade > >now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions here..... > >we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We > >have succeeded and failed. > > > >You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts or > >reality is. > > > >Ed > > > > > > > >At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > > >are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > > >United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > > >Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > > >frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > > > > > >Dianne > > > > > >There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS and > > >over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > > >1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > > >monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > > >entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > > >Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > > >). > > > > > >The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > > >patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double blind > > >I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > > >the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared to > > >the known natural history of the disease. > > > > > >Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > > >decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > > >of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > > >had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > > >deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > > >received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > > >a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need to > > >use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > > >to a wheelchair. > > > > > >The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > > >use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > > > From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > > >treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > > > > > >Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > > >treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing to > > >1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > > >treatment per week, without end. > > > > > >Studies you can refer to include: > > >Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > > >randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > > >Journal of > > >Medicine 1983 > > > > > >Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > > >Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > > >evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > > >of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > > > > > >Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > > >Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > > >oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > > >par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > > > > > > et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > > >results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > > >and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > > >placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > > >Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > > > > > >Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > > >hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 & > > >Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric oxygenation. > > >Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > > > > > >Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, pathogenesis > > >and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > > >Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > > > > > >The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > > >based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > > >disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > > >safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > > >there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > > >HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use for > > >treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety considerations, > > >it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > > >treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > > >dysfunction " . > > > > > >There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > > >arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > > >can! > > > > > >Alan > > >Manager > > >The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > > >UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you must > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > >President, CEO > >Spectrum Events > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ed, Just to clarify, I have never claimed there is any conspiracy. I think this is enough talk about pharma, as we have more important things on the table at this point. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: [ ] Re: Regression , This does nothing against my discussion. the point was made that it is a " conspiracy " by Big Pharma. It is not. It is a conspiracy of a completely broken system designed and focused on proprietary technologies. Thakns, Ed At 01:33 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >I disagree with Ed 100% O2 ! Comon, you live in Fantasyland or what ? >High level executive from Merck and Lilly should be sent to jail! >Add Monsanto on the list and a few dozen more. Your government allowed >the poisoning of your people, your children and your land. What a >ridiculous irony to be conducting research to find out what is causing >cancer and all these unheard of diseases. To a point where it is a >shame in the history of this planet. Watch ''The world according to >Monsanto''... >Of course there are many conspiracies whether you want to admit it or >hear it or not. How can any government who supposedly serves its >people shield vaccine manufacturers from litigations for damages with >their toxic products??? You would like them to get away with this ? > >More soon on the dirty links of Merck against hyperbarics in >Montreal... You have to know what is going on if you really want to >change things in this world. And criminals have to be accused, trialed >and taken off the streets (including Wall Street). > >Do yourself a favor, join Mike and Dr Mercola's list for some >education about the shadow ruling Elite corruption of the healthcare >field: > ><http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.html>http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.htm\ l > >http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/02/big-pharma-ties-w\ ants-to-shut-down-vaccine-conspiracy-theories.aspx?source=nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you >must > > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > > >President, CEO > > >Spectrum Events > > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Look, everyone, I am not trying to make a fight. But, making up conspiracy theories will not lead us to the ultimate answers for getting our kids treated according to their rights. We need to pursue the correct corrupted systems, people and structures. Big Pharma is literally a TRILLION dollar industry....the top 20 companies alone have over $500 BILLION in revenues. Those are just direct sales... and not including manufacturing equipment sales, and all kinds of other things. It is a monstrous industry. And, our system is corrupt, and it does not work, and people are corrupt, (, you and I know who some of those people are, right?) But, an industry with a trillion dollars in sales really doesn't care about an industry with under $100 million in total sales, supports etc. I don't know the exact size of HBOT, but, would be very surprised if it was over $200 million in total revenues.... much smaller than a small city hospital. Like I originally said, it isn't on anyone's radar. Thus, there cannot be a conspiracy to keep it out of business.. take care. At 08:19 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >, > >This does nothing against my discussion. > >the point was made that it is a " conspiracy " by Big Pharma. > >It is not. It is a conspiracy of a completely broken system designed >and focused on proprietary technologies. > >Thakns, >Ed >At 01:33 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: > > >I disagree with Ed 100% O2 ! Comon, you live in Fantasyland or what ? > >High level executive from Merck and Lilly should be sent to jail! > >Add Monsanto on the list and a few dozen more. Your government allowed > >the poisoning of your people, your children and your land. What a > >ridiculous irony to be conducting research to find out what is causing > >cancer and all these unheard of diseases. To a point where it is a > >shame in the history of this planet. Watch ''The world according to > >Monsanto''... > >Of course there are many conspiracies whether you want to admit it or > >hear it or not. How can any government who supposedly serves its > >people shield vaccine manufacturers from litigations for damages with > >their toxic products??? You would like them to get away with this ? > > > >More soon on the dirty links of Merck against hyperbarics in > >Montreal... You have to know what is going on if you really want to > >change things in this world. And criminals have to be accused, trialed > >and taken off the streets (including Wall Street). > > > >Do yourself a favor, join Mike and Dr Mercola's list for some > >education about the shadow ruling Elite corruption of the healthcare > >field: > > > ><<http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.html>http://www.naturalnews.co > m/z021795.html>http://www.naturalnews.com/z021795.html > > > ><http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/02/big- > pharma-ties-wants-to-shut-down-vaccine-conspiracy-theories.aspx?source=nl>http:/\ /articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/02/big-pharma-ties-wants-to\ -shut-down-vaccine-conspiracy-theories.aspx?source=nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you > >must > > > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > > > >President, CEO > > > >Spectrum Events > > > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > > > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > > > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > > > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ed, he is vice president of research. what ever you want to believe, it does not matter to me, Look him up. I would have to ask him if I can forward his number to you. Right now he is in china I am on the side of HBOT since 1993, he is my husbands brother, My brother inlaw, I cant just GIVE you his number??? Re: [ ] Re: Regression >> >> >> >> > Diane, >> >> > >> >> > My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma >> >> > drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished >> >> > another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US >> >> > and >> >> > Europe. >> >> > >> >> > I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares >> >> > one iota about HBOT. >> >> > >> >> > HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US >> >> > medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but >> >> > it is a systematic problem. >> >> > >> >> > You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. >> >> > >> >> > Please leave them at the door. >> >> > >> >> > Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade >> >> > now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions >> >> > here..... >> >> > we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We >> >> > have succeeded and failed. >> >> > >> >> > You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts >> >> > or >> >> > reality is. >> >> > >> >> > Ed >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> >>Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs >> >> >>are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the >> >> >>United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple >> >> >>Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are >> >> >>frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. >> >> >> >> >> >>Dianne >> >> >> >> >> >>There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS >> >> >>and >> >> >>over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of >> >> >>1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has >> >> >>monitored the results from these centres and produced a report >> >> >>entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with >> >> >>Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip >> >> >>). >> >> >> >> >> >>The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 >> >> >>patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double >> >> >>blind >> >> >>I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of >> >> >>the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared >> >> >>to >> >> >>the known natural history of the disease. >> >> >> >> >> >>Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of >> >> >>decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period >> >> >>of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who >> >> >>had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had >> >> >>deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who >> >> >>received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents >> >> >>a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need >> >> >>to >> >> >>use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined >> >> >>to a wheelchair. >> >> >> >> >> >>The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued >> >> >>use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. >> >> >> From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this >> >> >>treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. >> >> >> >> >> >>Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour >> >> >>treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing >> >> >>to >> >> >>1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour >> >> >>treatment per week, without end. >> >> >> >> >> >>Studies you can refer to include: >> >> >>Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A >> >> >>randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England >> >> >>Journal of >> >> >>Medicine 1983 >> >> >> >> >> >>Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple >> >> >>Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with >> >> >>evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting >> >> >>of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 >> >> >> >> >> >>Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of >> >> >>Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric >> >> >>oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple >> >> >>par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 >> >> >> >> >> >> et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term >> >> >>results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 >> >> >>and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a >> >> >>placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, >> >> >>Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 >> >> >> >> >> >>Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following >> >> >>hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 >> >> >> & >> >> >>Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric >> >> >>oxygenation. >> >> >>Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. >> >> >> >> >> >>Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, >> >> >>pathogenesis >> >> >>and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. >> >> >>Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. >> >> >> >> >> >>The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably >> >> >>based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the >> >> >>disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the >> >> >>safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that >> >> >>there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of >> >> >>HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use >> >> >>for >> >> >>treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety >> >> >>considerations, >> >> >>it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for >> >> >>treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder >> >> >>dysfunction " . >> >> >> >> >> >>There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop >> >> >>arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we >> >> >>can! >> >> >> >> >> >>Alan >> >> >>Manager >> >> >>The Sussex MS Treatment Centre >> >> >>UK >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home >> >> >>therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he >> >> >>has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I >> >> >>wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of >> >> >>HBOT for " regression. " >> >> >> > >> >> >> > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to >> >> >>avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant >> >> >>medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is >> >> >>achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you >> >> >> > must >> >> >>consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably >> >> >>try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- >> >> >>there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other >> >> >>neurological diseases. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Ed Nemeth >> >> > President, CEO >> >> > Spectrum Events >> >> > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 >> >> > Sacramento, CA 95814 >> >> > >> >> > 916-856-7044 x 339 >> >> > 916-856-7040 (fax) >> >> > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Lilly is the maker of Thimerosal ! 50% mercury, but defending it 100%. 1000% guilty. Selling poisons is a symbol of success in the states ? If the vaccine cover-up is not a c____, I wonder what is. Then, if a million portable chambers are installed in every health and fitness facilities in the US and Canada, its not hard to figure out that they will soon be out of ''business''. Adults and children on mHBOT consume lot less pills, in many many fields. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > > > > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > > > > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > > > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > > > > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > > > > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > > > > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > > > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you > > >must > > > > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > > > > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > > > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > > > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > > > > >President, CEO > > > > >Spectrum Events > > > > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > > > > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > > > > > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > > > > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 , Why not? I deal with Pharma Execs worldwide every day and have so for decades. I just want to discuss this with him to find out if I am wrong, and Big Pharma is conspiring and targeting HBOT because it is in fear of losing revenues. At 08:48 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >Ed, he is vice president of research. what ever you want to believe, it does >not matter to me, Look him up. I would have to ask him if I can forward his >number to you. Right now he is in china >I am on the side of HBOT since 1993, he is my husbands brother, My brother >inlaw, I cant just GIVE you his number??? > > Re: [ ] Re: Regression > >> >> > >> >> > Diane, > >> >> > > >> >> > My corporation manages studies/meetings for R & D of new pharma > >> >> > drugs... worldwide. We have done so since 1981. We just finished > >> >> > another series of study meetings for anti-seizure drugs in the US > >> >> > and > >> >> > Europe. > >> >> > > >> >> > I can assure you that no on in Pharma knows anything about, or cares > >> >> > one iota about HBOT. > >> >> > > >> >> > HBOT's problems are systematic due to teh orientation of the US > >> >> > medical system. This does include willful fraud by neurologists, but > >> >> > it is a systematic problem. > >> >> > > >> >> > You personal conspiracy theories have no value here. > >> >> > > >> >> > Please leave them at the door. > >> >> > > >> >> > Some of us have been heavily involved in HBOT for a almost a decade > >> >> > now, and have actually experienced a lot of the discussions > >> >> > here..... > >> >> > we were there, we had the historic debates, discussions battles. We > >> >> > have succeeded and failed. > >> >> > > >> >> > You are new, you are pontificating and have no idea what the facts > >> >> > or > >> >> > reality is. > >> >> > > >> >> > Ed > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > At 05:42 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>Due to the corruption of medicine by Big Pharma, prescription drugs > >> >> >>are the only accepted treatment for neurological disorders in the > >> >> >>United States. Unfortunately, the drugs prescribed for Multiple > >> >> >>Sclerosis are often ineffective, and their side effects are > >> >> >>frequently far worse the disease that they are treating. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Dianne > >> >> >> > >> >> >>There are approximately 60 centres in the UK offering HBOT for MS > >> >> >>and > >> >> >>over the last 20 years, between them have carried out in excess of > >> >> >>1.3 million treatments. The Federation of MS Therapy Centres has > >> >> >>monitored the results from these centres and produced a report > >> >> >>entitled " The Experience of Treating Multiple Sclerosis with > >> >> >>Prolonged Courses of Hyperbaric Oxygen " (Dr. D Perrins & Dr Philip > >> >> >>). > >> >> >> > >> >> >>The report is not a double blind study, but follows the fate of 703 > >> >> >>patients over a course of 10 to 13 years (too long for a double > >> >> >>blind > >> >> >>I think!). The study assessed the Kurtzke Disability Scale (KDS) of > >> >> >>the patients and the severity of their symptoms. This was compared > >> >> >>to > >> >> >>the known natural history of the disease. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Although there is a wide variation in the rate and pattern of > >> >> >>decline, the majority of patients deteriorate over a two year period > >> >> >>of observation. In this series the Relapsing/Remitting patients who > >> >> >>had less than two follow on treatments after the initial course had > >> >> >>deteriorated by 2.0 on the KDS after 10+ years, while those who > >> >> >>received more than 400 had deteriorated by only 1.1. This represents > >> >> >>a difference of being able to walk without assistance and the need > >> >> >>to > >> >> >>use two sticks, or the ability to walk 200 yards and being confined > >> >> >>to a wheelchair. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>The most frequently reported symptoms to improve with the continued > >> >> >>use of HBOT were fatigue, speech, bladder control and balance. > >> >> >> From my own experience of seeing patients benefit from this > >> >> >>treatment, I (and the patients) am convinced of its effectiveness. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Our protocol in the UK is an initial course of 18 to 20 one hour > >> >> >>treatments over 4 to 6 weeks, commencing at 1.5 ATA and increasing > >> >> >>to > >> >> >>1.75 or 2.0 ATA. Most patients then continue with 1 one hour > >> >> >>treatment per week, without end. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Studies you can refer to include: > >> >> >>Fischer et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, A > >> >> >>randomised, placebo controlled, double blind study. New England > >> >> >>Journal of > >> >> >>Medicine 1983 > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Oriani et al. Hyperbaric Oxygen in Chronic Progressive Multiple > >> >> >>Sclerosis: a placebo controlled, double blind, randomised study with > >> >> >>evoked potentials evaluation. Proceedings of the 13th annual meeting > >> >> >>of the European Undersea Biomedical Society, Palermo 1987 > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Palotta et al. Experience in protracted follow-up on a group of > >> >> >>Multiple Sclerosis patients periodically treated with hyperbaric > >> >> >>oxygen therapy. Symposium sur le traitment de la sclerose multiple > >> >> >>par l'oxygene hyperbare. Paris 1986 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> et al. Hyperbaric oxygen and multiple sclerosis; short term > >> >> >>results of a placebo controlled double blind trail. The Lancet 1985 > >> >> >>and Hyperbaric oxygen and Multiple sclerosis: final results of a > >> >> >>placebo controlled double blind study. Journal of Neurology, > >> >> >>Neurosurgery and Psychiatry 1987 > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Neubauer. Magnetic resonance imaging in multiple sclerosis following > >> >> >>hyperbaric oxygen. First Swiss Symposium on hyperbaric medicine 1986 > >> >> >> & > >> >> >>Treatment of Multiple Sclerosis with monoplace hyperbaric > >> >> >>oxygenation. > >> >> >>Journal of the Florida Medical Association 1978. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Gottlieb and Neubauer. Multiple Sclerosis: Its etiology, > >> >> >>pathogenesis > >> >> >>and therapeutics with emphasis on the controversial use of HBO. > >> >> >>Journal of Hyperbaric Medicine 1988. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>The last paper concludes " Of all the current therapies presumably > >> >> >>based on an understanding of the etiology and pathphysiology of the > >> >> >>disease process, HBOT has the soundest foundation. It is also the > >> >> >>safest drug available. It is not surprising therefore to find that > >> >> >>there is much positive evidence concerning the beneficial effects of > >> >> >>HBOT on cerebellar and bowel bladder function to sanction its use > >> >> >>for > >> >> >>treating MS. Based on comparative efficacy and safety > >> >> >>considerations, > >> >> >>it is recommended that HBOT be used for treating early MS and for > >> >> >>treating MS associated cerebellar and bowel bladder > >> >> >>dysfunction " . > >> >> >> > >> >> >>There are, of course, more than this, but surely its time to stop > >> >> >>arguing the case and get as many MS people into HBO chambers as we > >> >> >>can! > >> >> >> > >> >> >>Alan > >> >> >>Manager > >> >> >>The Sussex MS Treatment Centre > >> >> >>UK > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers for home > >> >> >>therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for TBI; he > >> >> >>has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > >> >> >>wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the indications of > >> >> >>HBOT for " regression. " > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of my TBI, to > >> >> >>avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have significant > >> >> >>medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > >> >> >>achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > This is a great site for information, but also beware that you > >> >> >> > must > >> >> >>consider the source: in some cases what you get is misinformation. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would probably > >> >> >>try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > >> >> >>there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > >> >> >>neurological diseases. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Ed Nemeth > >> >> > President, CEO > >> >> > Spectrum Events > >> >> > 444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > >> >> > Sacramento, CA 95814 > >> >> > > >> >> > 916-856-7044 x 339 > >> >> > 916-856-7040 (fax) > >> >> > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 They will not be out of business.. in fact, think about it, if they can continue to sell their poison (we all agree on that, right?) and they have a cure for that poison, then they don;t have anything to worry about. The fact that something treats something else has not correlation to something not being sold. But, you bring up a good point.... is 's VP brother in law involved in the thermerisol conspiracy? Now, that is a true conspiracy.... At 08:54 AM 10/9/2008, you wrote: >Lilly is the maker of Thimerosal ! >50% mercury, but defending it 100%. 1000% guilty. >Selling poisons is a symbol of success in the states ? >If the vaccine cover-up is not a c____, I wonder what is. > >Then, if a million portable chambers are installed in every health and >fitness facilities in the US and Canada, its not hard to figure out >that they will soon be out of ''business''. Adults and children on >mHBOT consume lot less pills, in many many fields. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who don't know this, Diane sells HBOT chambers >for home > > > > > > >therapy. My neurologist was happy to order HBOT for me for >TBI; he > > > > > > >has doubts about whether it is of value for M.S. It may, but I > > > > > > >wouldn't consider Diane as a medical expert on the >indications of > > > > > > >HBOT for " regression. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She suggested I buy a chamber for treatment because of >my TBI, to > > > > > > >avoid " regression. " Treatment for TBI has shown to have >significant > > > > > > >medical benefit, and it is hard to know when maximal benefit is > > > > > > >achieved, but " regression " is not applicable for TBI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a great site for information, but also beware >that you > > > >must > > > > > > >consider the source: in some cases what you get is >misinformation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, if I had M.S., and could afford it, I would >probably > > > > > > >try HBOT--it may not prevent progression, but it may delay it-- > > > > > > >there's a lot we don't know about M.S. as well as many other > > > > > > >neurological diseases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ed Nemeth > > > > > >President, CEO > > > > > >Spectrum Events > > > > > >444 North Third Street, Suite 304 > > > > > >Sacramento, CA 95814 > > > > > > > > > > > >916-856-7044 x 339 > > > > > >916-856-7040 (fax) > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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