Re: Mercury amalgam STAIN vs. dental tattoo - Andy

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your thorough reply . It gives me reason to wonder if there is

still some mercury left in my " stain " .

I've added Andy's name to the subject heading, hoping he can comment on the type

of metal corrosion most likely to cause a tooth stain.

I did start wondering about checking my stain out again recently because after

20 rounds of chelation, I would have hoped for improvement in certain symptoms

(like memory) but there are none. Could I be making things worse?!

> No. A tattoo is in the gum.

>

> However, this indicates that the amalgam has " leeked " into the

> porous dentin and has stained the tooth. While the dentist has

> removed the actual filling, there is metallic substance in the

> tooth itself now. (It is the same principle as a tattoo.) " Leeked "

> is of course not a technical chemical term. It is thought that this

> is mostly due to a galvanic effect when dissimilar metals

> (crowns?) are in contact with the amalgam filling, causing

> corrosion and corrosion by-products.

>

> Andy believes it is safe to chelate with these stains on the basis that

> too much sound tooth would need to be removed to remove the stain.

> http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/17227.html

>

> I can't really understand this. Either there is a mercury compound

> present in the body and you can't chelate because the chelator will drag

> the mercury around into your organs. Or there is none and you can chelate.

>

> If the argument is that the chelator can't get to the stain " once

> covered up by some alternative filling material " , this makes no sense.

> Dentin is made of thousands of tiny tubules that irrigate it. It is on

> this principle that bacteria from root canals invade the tooth _and the

> blood stream_ and provoke systemic and focal infection.

>

> Some amalgam mercury (most?) is absorbed by the body from the exposed

> surfaces through chewing, grinding, saliva corrosion, and galvanic

> effects. But surely the presence of mercury internally in the tooth

> itself accounts for some absorption?

>

> I would love to see some numbers: amount of mercury contained in an

> average filling versus a stain. Amount of mercury absorbed by the body

> from a filling versus a stain. Amount of mercury redistributed stored in

> organs and brain. Amount of this redistributed on the AC protocol

> chelation. Just to see relative importance.

>

> Andy does NOT recommend chelating with a [gum] tattoo:

> http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/41313.html

> Is because there is more blood circulation in the gum than in dentin and

> therefore less exposure to the chelator circulating in the blood stream?

>

> Or, as has been suggested elsewhere, is it the silver (sulfide?) and tin

> (oxide?) corrosion byproducts from the amalgam that produces the gray

> staining, while mercury does not corrode as easily (needing contact with

> other metals)? Another paper suggests that it is the traces of copper

> and zinc in the amalgam that corrodes most easily.

>

> In the mean time, my suggestion is to treat the tooth as completely

> compromised and extract it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just so there is no doubt about it, mercury _is_ present in gum " tattoo "

stains, regardless of whether there are visible " chunks " on x-ray:

L Joska, Z Venclikova et al., " The mechanism of gingiva metallic

pigmentations formation " , Clin Oral Invest (2009) 13:1-7.

I would love to see the full text of the article above, not just the

first page preview, which nevertheless states unequivocally: " As

generally believed, [tattoos are] caused by mechanical penetration of a

metallic material--mostly amalgam--into the soft tissue in the course of

its treatment in the oral cavity. ... Analyses of the pigmented tissues

reveal the presence of Ag, Hg, Cu, Fe, Zn, S, Se, Ca, P, and Si. "

The penetration of dentin should not be much different.

Still looking for a good pathology reference for tooth stains. Anybody?

.

Andree wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for your thorough reply . It gives me reason to wonder

> if there is still some mercury left in my " stain " .

>

> I've added Andy's name to the subject heading, hoping he can comment

> on the type of metal corrosion most likely to cause a tooth stain.

>

> I did start wondering about checking my stain out again recently

> because after 20 rounds of chelation, I would have hoped for

> improvement in certain symptoms (like memory) but there are none.

> Could I be making things worse?!

>

>

>

>

>

> > No. A tattoo is in the gum.

> >

> > However, this indicates that the amalgam has " leeked " into the

> > porous dentin and has stained the tooth. While the dentist has

> > removed the actual filling, there is metallic substance in the

> > tooth itself now. (It is the same principle as a tattoo.) " Leeked "

> > is of course not a technical chemical term. It is thought that this

> > is mostly due to a galvanic effect when dissimilar metals

> > (crowns?) are in contact with the amalgam filling, causing

> > corrosion and corrosion by-products.

> >

> > Andy believes it is safe to chelate with these stains on the basis that

> > too much sound tooth would need to be removed to remove the stain.

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/17227.html

> <http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/17227.html>

> >

> > I can't really understand this. Either there is a mercury compound

> > present in the body and you can't chelate because the chelator will

> drag

> > the mercury around into your organs. Or there is none and you can

> chelate.

> >

> > If the argument is that the chelator can't get to the stain " once

> > covered up by some alternative filling material " , this makes no sense.

> > Dentin is made of thousands of tiny tubules that irrigate it. It is on

> > this principle that bacteria from root canals invade the tooth _and the

> > blood stream_ and provoke systemic and focal infection.

> >

> > Some amalgam mercury (most?) is absorbed by the body from the exposed

> > surfaces through chewing, grinding, saliva corrosion, and galvanic

> > effects. But surely the presence of mercury internally in the tooth

> > itself accounts for some absorption?

> >

> > I would love to see some numbers: amount of mercury contained in an

> > average filling versus a stain. Amount of mercury absorbed by the body

> > from a filling versus a stain. Amount of mercury redistributed

> stored in

> > organs and brain. Amount of this redistributed on the AC protocol

> > chelation. Just to see relative importance.

> >

> > Andy does NOT recommend chelating with a [gum] tattoo:

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/41313.html

> <http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/41313.html>

> > Is because there is more blood circulation in the gum than in dentin

> and

> > therefore less exposure to the chelator circulating in the blood stream?

> >

> > Or, as has been suggested elsewhere, is it the silver (sulfide?) and

> tin

> > (oxide?) corrosion byproducts from the amalgam that produces the gray

> > staining, while mercury does not corrode as easily (needing contact

> with

> > other metals)? Another paper suggests that it is the traces of copper

> > and zinc in the amalgam that corrodes most easily.

> >

> > In the mean time, my suggestion is to treat the tooth as completely

> > compromised and extract it.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

A big thank you to everyone that replied to my question regarding my

post-amalgam removal, now visibly apparent mercury stained tooth. , I

truly appreciate your very thorough reply! Great information. Lots to

ponder....

I guess I have a lot to talk about w/my mercury-free dentist at the appointment

this coming Thursday. (But hopefully he won't want to discuss OSR again...ugh!

This particular dentist loves to push the OSR product )

Ross <mrossgrp@...> wrote:

Just so there is no doubt about it, mercury _is_ present in gum " tattoo " stains,

regardless of whether there are visible " chunks " on x-ray:

> L Joska, Z Venclikova et al., " The mechanism of gingiva metallic

> pigmentations formation " , Clin Oral Invest (2009) 13:1-7.

.