Re: Re: News Story - Americans immunity to mumps

[Guest guest]

I agree with Haven, who btw isn't long winded even though she thinks

so. . I couldn't have put that any better.

On Aug 6, 2010, at 5:08 PM, isaguzmandiaz2@... wrote:

> I agree with you, twitched medicine based on profits by big pharma

> companies is just making all of us sick and sicker with each new

> generation passing by. The only vaccine I would allow to be given

> to my baby if I was to deliver him today, would be polio, because I

> also had an auntie who suffered terrible damage from that

> sickness. Outside of that, I wouldn't give any vaccines to my

> baby, none. My husband was bitten by a mad sharpei dog 3 years

> ago, it was so bad that after 91 stitches and 1 month of taking care

> of the wound, it wouldn't heal and a skin transplant had to be

> considered. He received all rabies shots and 3 iu gamma-globulin.

> One month later, this man who never ever gets sick, fell ill with a

> bad case of herpes zoster....obvÃoußly his IS was at loss...

>

> Too many Vaccines in too little time on too little patients, the

> recipe for disaster....

>

> Isa

>

>

>

> Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

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> Re: [ ] Re: News Story - Americans

> immunity to

>

> mumps less than ideal -

>

>

>

> I too am wondering what Andy thinks about this. I do not personally

> believe

>

> they do. Can anyone really prove they have worked or staved off a

> single

>

> epidemic? Polio was already on the decline when the vaccine was

>

> introduced. My aunt contracted polio as an infant in 1913 before

> there was

>

> a vaccine. It left her deaf, mute, and neurologically damaged.

>

>

>

> I can see the benefit of a vaccine in the presence of a clear and

> present

>

> danger. If my son were bit by a rabid animal --though I would hate

> to be in

>

> that situation, given the alternative, I would have to choose for

> him to

>

> have the series of rabies shots. (These still contain a full

> complement of

>

> thimerosal, but rabies is almost certain death [one girl survived by

> being

>

> placed in a deep coma]).

>

>

>

> But my own theory regarding the present number of vaccinations given

> to

>

> children is that it robs their bodies of developing natural immunity

> and

>

> then prevents their immune systems from becoming stronger to fight

> off more

>

> serious diseases. It is a " butterfly effect. "

>

>

>

> Think of the human immune system as a butterfly in its development:

> egg,

>

> larva, pupa, adult. If the egg is genetically designed to survive

> (given

>

> whatever immunity is passed on to it from previous generations), it

> has a

>

> good start. Then it moves to the larva stage. In the butterfly's

> case this

>

> is a caterpillar. Nature weeds out any defective specimens at this

> point in

>

> order to insure propagation of a healthy species. Then it moves

> into the

>

> the pupa stage (the cocoon). Think of this stage and compare it to

> when a

>

> human baby is born. If the cocoon is allowed to mature on its own,

> it will

>

> turn into a butterfly and live to reproduce etc... and should have

> by this

>

> time a good natural immunity but will catch things and overcome them

> and be

>

> stronger for it. In fact the MORE things it catches and survives

> will make

>

> its immune system stronger! It will pass whatever it has gained

> onto its

>

> young. But lets say some outside force intervenes.

>

>

>

> In humans, at this stage, the outside forces say, " We will help it.

> We will

>

> give it thirty-six vaccines because its own immune system is

> incapable of

>

> doing it on its own. But this is really only true for a small

> percentage of

>

> individuals who have survived to this stage. For the rest, their

> systems are

>

> already at optimum and now it is getting messed with. (If it ain't

> broke;

>

> don't try to fix it) would be a good idea, but this gets ignored.

>

>

>

> So then what happens to the human immune system? Think of it like

> this: A

>

> grandfather is walking through the woods with his grandchildren when

> they

>

> come upon a cocoon. The butterfly is struggling to emerge. The

> children

>

> feel sorry to see it struggling. So the grandfather says, " We will

>

> *help*it. " Think of the grandfather as the vaccine, and the struggle

>

> the

>

> butterfly is going through is the immune system doing what it

> *NEEDS* to do

>

> to become strong. What emerges from the cocoon is the end result.

>

>

>

> They break open the cocoon, and the butterfly falls to the ground.

> It's

>

> body is too big and its wings are too small to allow it to fly, and

> so the

>

> butterfly cannot survive. It falls to the ground and dies. It*

> needed the

>

> struggle to become strong!* So children get sick a lot in order to

> become

>

> strong adults.

>

>

>

> Some studies suggest that by getting chicken pox, a child will be less

>

> susceptible to certain cancers when it is older. The immune system

> builds

>

> upon each thing it survives.

>

>

>

> How long did the evolution take to get the human immune system to

> this point

>

> to insure survival of the species? Human beings are highly adaptable

> and

>

> evolution played its roll to make it so. We know now that in

> extremely cold

>

> environments, the body will place itself into a diabetic state so as

> to ward

>

> off hypothermia. We know that those who survived the Bubonic Plague

> did so

>

> because their bodies placed themselves in a state of

> hematomacrosis. We

>

> know that Sickle Cell Anemia came about in an effort to protect and

> defend

>

> against Malaria.

>

>

>

> The problem is that in some (and I can't explain why), these

> defenses have

>

> failed to shut off, so then these defenses themselves become a

> problem.

>

> Diabetes in the absence of extreme cold is a life threatening

> condition.

>

> Hematomacrosis in the absence of the Bubonic Plague is life

> threatening.

>

> Sickle Cell Anemia in the absence of Malaria is a life threatening

>

> condition.

>

>

>

> We know also, that the over use of antibiotics has caused more

> virulent

>

> strains of bacteria to emerge. Hey! Bacteria and viruses want to

> live and

>

> propagate as much as we do! They, too, have an innate fear (though

> it may

>

> not be a sentient one) of becoming extinct, and " Nature " or

> evolution or

>

> whatever force it is that rules the universe is doing the SAME THING

> for

>

> them -creating a means or a genetic change that will allow them to

> overcome

>

> what is attacking them so that they become stronger and not become

> extinct.

>

>

>

> So now MAN is now at a disadvantage. He is losing natural immunity

> and

>

> being forced to survive " addicted " to synthetic immunity. Nature

> hates

>

> being tricked. There are consequences. When our vaccines wear off,

> and we

>

> don't keep re-vaccinating like the monkey hitting the bar to get his

>

> cocaine, what diseases have we opened ourselves up to? We were

> denied the

>

> right to gain natural immunity. I believe this makes us weaker as a

>

> species. We are NOT a healthier species.

>

>

>

> Obesity is rampant not only because we eat CRAP, but our bodies have

> become

>

> acidic. The body creates fat in order to protect the organs from

> acid.

>

> Hence the reason why so many of us are getting fat around the

> middle. I

>

> doubt anyone can lose this belly fat without first making their

> bodies less

>

> acidic.

>

>

>

> What is the point of vaccinating against measles, mumps, rubella if

> we are

>

> only trading these diseases for diabetes, asthma, cancer, MS, ALS,

> lupus,

>

> autism, and other auto-immune diseases? I believe over vaccination

> is the

>

> cause of the proliferation of auto-immune disease.

>

>

>

> I am not anti-vaccination. I can see the possible hope it may hold

> in the

>

> presence of a real epidemic or rabies and the like, but not in the

> event of

>

> a contrived one to generate profit, and it sickens me how fear is

> used to

>

> get people to comply. How on earth did humanity survive for so long

> without

>

> vaccination? To hear the fear mongers, our species should have been

> extinct

>

> long ago.

>

>

>

> I am not so convinced about tetanus. It needs an anaerobic

> environment to

>

> survive, so if wounds are allowed to heal from the inside out, and one

>

> practices good hygiene and such, I think it would be rare to

> contract it,

>

> but each person must decide the risks versus the benefits for

> himself. The

>

> tetanus shot is still filled with thimerosal last I checked.

>

>

>

> It all comes down to determining the true probability of catching a

>

> particular disease, the severity of the disease, and deciding the

> risks

>

> versus the benefits of taking a vaccine. But in the end, I believe

> this is

>

> a personal decision and not one which any government should have the

> right

>

> to force upon an individual. If the parents are the ones who will

> be held

>

> accountable for for fallout regarding the damage done by a vaccine,

> then it

>

> should be the parents' right to decide if they are willing to take

> the risks

>

> or to accept the natural course of their children's lives.

>

>

>

> There are many other ways, and I think better ways to insure health,

> and if

>

> the powers that so fervently PUSH vaccinations would put half as

> much effort

>

> into insuring clean water, air, food, and hygiene, our children

> would be

>

> healthier.

>

>

>

> Just my long-winded two cents.

>

>

>

> Haven

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, except, knowing what I know now, if I delivered today, I wouldn't

give any vaccines.

I forgot to add that species ebb and flow. It is a natural course that some

become extinct. Polio was on the decline by the time the vaccine became

available. Even Salk, I think wrote in his biography that he didn't sleep

well for two weeks whenever a child was given the vaccine. He went on to

say that even he thought there had to be a better way to fight epidemics

than vaccines.

In the US, due to good sanitation practices, polio would be quite rare. As

far as I know, the only cases in the US today are due to getting the

vaccine. Now if it did come back, and it was showing up in UN- VACCINATED,

then I would consider it.

If your husband received the rabies series, had he had himself tested for

mercury? Each shot is full of it.

Trust me, like you, we know how bad polio is. My aunt never got a chance at

a normal life. I saw back then what " education " was like. She was never

allowed to go to school. Doctors told my grandmother she couldn't learn or

be potty trained, so my grandmother never even tried, but I used to play

with my aunt, and I still have vivid memories of her. she had made up her

own sign language. She could have learned so much! It is sad that while

things are better in a way, we are still fighting the same prejudices.

At the very least, I wouldn't vaccinate a child until they were at least two

years old. Give the immune system time to mature on its own. But this is

just me.

I have even seen the changes in animals with all this pushing towards

multiple vacs. My father bred horses. He ran about twenty mares who had

foals every year. He never vaccinated. In twenty-two years, only one died

of a disease, which was tetanus. A few years back, my neighbor and I got

talked into giving the West Nile Virus vaccine to our horses. she and I

both lost one. After vaccination, my horse lost every bit of muscle mass

along her spine and oh the vet couldn't explain it. She had to be put

down. The rest of my horses developed COPD after the vaccine, and it pretty

much ruined the whole summer for lessons. Now, I will give tetanus if they

get a nasty cut. Years ago, there was an epidemic (a real one) of Equine

encephalitis, which is transferable to humans. The government paid for all

the horses to have shots. In that case, as I had friends who lost horses

from it, the vaccine was probably a good idea. but I minimally vaccinate

them now, and have seen no COPD.

The bottom line is no one really knows when a vaccine prevented something or

not. there is just no way to know.

Thanks for the smiley face!

Haven