Increased stimming with ALA, please help me decide

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My son takes Nystatin to keep his yeast under control and when we are doing

chelation days.....I increase his dose from 4 scoops to 6 scoops (per his

DAN) for a few days....ALA stimulates more yeast (I believe)....

ANN

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of truthwinsnow

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:57 PM

Subject: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me decide

Hello parents,

We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7 yo, 62

lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired).

Then we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body

burden of Mercury than in the brain?

I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Ragha

[Guest guest]

Are you supplementing zinc? Zinc is necessary for metallothionenine to work.

Metallothionenine detoxifies heavy metals, and zinc binds to mercury. Without

adequate zinc, you might be just shifting mercury around without getting rid of

it.

 

Did you finish removing mercury from the rest of the body before using ALA? It

may be possible for ALA to bind to mercury and carry it past the blood brain

barrier into the brain. Make sure the rest of the body has been cleared mercury

before using ALA.

From: Ann Schimka <aschimka@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me decide

Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:19 PM

 

My son takes Nystatin to keep his yeast under control and when we are doing

chelation days.....I increase his dose from 4 scoops to 6 scoops (per his

DAN) for a few days....ALA stimulates more yeast (I believe)....

ANN

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of truthwinsnow

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:57 PM

Subject: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me decide

Hello parents,

We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7 yo, 62

lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired).

Then we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body

burden of Mercury than in the brain?

I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Ragha

[Guest guest]

It might be worth dropping back to 7mg if that was'nt causing any problems.

Kenny

>

> Hello parents,

>

> We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7 yo, 62

lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired). Then

we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

>

> She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body burden

of Mercury than in the brain?

>

> I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

>

> We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> regards,

> Ragha

>

[Guest guest]

I give him 60 mg 3-4x/day on chelating days....

ANN

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On Behalf Of sage sylvia

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:30 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

decide

Are you supplementing zinc? Zinc is necessary for metallothionenine to work.

Metallothionenine detoxifies heavy metals, and zinc binds to mercury.

Without adequate zinc, you might be just shifting mercury around without

getting rid of it.

Did you finish removing mercury from the rest of the body before using ALA?

It may be possible for ALA to bind to mercury and carry it past the blood

brain barrier into the brain. Make sure the rest of the body has been

cleared mercury before using ALA.

From: Ann Schimka <aschimkasan (DOT) <mailto:aschimka%40san.rr.com> rr.com>

Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

decide

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Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:19 PM

My son takes Nystatin to keep his yeast under control and when we are doing

chelation days.....I increase his dose from 4 scoops to 6 scoops (per his

DAN) for a few days....ALA stimulates more yeast (I believe)....

ANN

_____

From: [mailto: @ groups.

com]

On Behalf Of truthwinsnow

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:57 PM

Subject: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me decide

Hello parents,

We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7 yo, 62

lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired).

Then we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body

burden of Mercury than in the brain?

I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Ragha

[Guest guest]

> She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body burden

of Mercury than in the brain?

> I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

> We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

Tapping was a yeast symptom here, so I would question whether the yeast was

" fully under control " .

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

I agree that tapping is a yeast symptom. But, as soon as the 3rd ON day is over,

her tapping became very less and the next day, it was almost not there. This

means yeast got peaked with DMSA/ALA and then then got back to normal after ON

days?

So, what is the remedy? Increasing anti fungals on ON days? Or decreasing ALA?

or Removing ALA for now?

Thanks,

Ragha

> > She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body burden

of Mercury than in the brain?

> > I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

> > We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

>

>

> Tapping was a yeast symptom here, so I would question whether the yeast was

" fully under control " .

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Goran:

I was wondering if that was you (I am from LOD) ....So glad to hear from

you!!!!

We are doing the DAN protocol with lots of essentials oils and vitamins to

support his system...

My 7 yr old can tolerate alot, so we are doing 200 mg DMSA 3x/day and 25 mg

ALA 2x/day....he is doing very well on it but I realize that it is NOT for

everybody....To develop our protocol, it was based on an OAT and amino acid

protocol....

What anti-yeast things are you doing???

Here is our everyday protocol:

Fish oil - 4g/day

Culturelle 3 billion cells/day (due to bacteria)

Mega Flora Probiotic - 25 billion 2x/day

MSM - 2 g/day

l-glutamine - 3500 mg/day (for leaky gut)

melatonin - 1-3 mg 3/day depending on activity level

P5P - 50 mg/day

CoQ10 - 50 mg/day (mitochondiral issues)

Vit C - 500 mg 3x/day

Folinic acid - 800 mcg

Zinc Citrate - 60 mg 3x/day (pica - eats paper)

Cal/Mag/Phosporus - 1 tbsp (phos is low on metals test)

Biotin - 24mg/day

Taurine - 500 mg/day

Mag Citrate - 140 mg 3x/day (when constipated)

5-HTP - 50 mg/day

NAC - 500 mg/day

Lecithin - 1/2 tsp

This is what I add for supporting his system during chelation:

Day 1-3:

Nystatin - 3 scoops 2x/day (when taking DMSA)

Thieves Essential oil (1 drop/day)

Lemon/Orange Essential Oil on feet (helps to support glutithione)

Day 4-7:

Nystatin - 2 scoops 2x/day

Juva Cleanse Essential Oil (herbal chelator) 10 drops/day

1/2 dropper of ionic minerals (lithium very important)

Multi-Vitamin - 3x/day

Lemon/Orange Essential Oil on feet (helps to support glutithione)

Day 8-14:

Enzyme - 2 with each meal

Gogi Juice 1tsp 3x/day

Thieves Essential oil (1 drop 3x/day)

Lemon/Orange Essential Oil on feet (helps to support glutithione)

Multi-Vitamin - 3x/day

Nystatin - 2 scoops 2x/day

It is tons of work but I worked into it gradually....

Take care...

ANN

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From: Inap Inap [mailto:atnapatnap@...]

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:53 PM

aschimka@...

Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

decide

Hi,

We are on the 2nd round of DMSA - chelation AC protocol...

Did you give Zinc 60 mg 3 times a day... so its 180 mg a day?????

Will you please tell me what other supps you give during and after the

round???

I give my son DMSA (25mg), divided in 4 doses, 6.5mg a dose... and will

increase slowly...

I give the dose on 3 hours..

Some give on 4 but I give on 3 hours and totally 24 doses for 3 days..

How much DMSA you start anf how much you giver??

Did you give on every 4 or 3 h...

Any other advices??

My best regards

Goran

Macedonia

From: Ann Schimka <aschimkasan (DOT) <mailto:aschimka% 40san.rr. com> rr.com>

Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

decide

@ <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

groups. com

Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:19 PM

My son takes Nystatin to keep his yeast under control and when we are doing

chelation days.....I increase his dose from 4 scoops to 6 scoops (per his

DAN) for a few days....ALA stimulates more yeast (I believe)....

ANN

_____

From: [mailto:Autism- Mercury@ groups.

com]

On Behalf Of truthwinsnow

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:57 PM

Subject: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me decide

Hello parents,

We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7 yo, 62

lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired).

Then we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body

burden of Mercury than in the brain?

I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

Thanks in advance.

regards,

Ragha

[Guest guest]

Ann Schimka wrote:

>

> Hi Goran:

>

> I was wondering if that was you (I am from LOD) ....So glad to hear from

> you!!!!

>

> We are doing the DAN protocol with lots of essentials oils and vitamins to

> support his system...

>

> My 7 yr old can tolerate alot, so we are doing 200 mg DMSA 3x/day and

> 25 mg

> ALA 2x/day....

>

This will cause more harm than good. DMSA and ALA MUST be given every 3

hours around the clock or major redistribution of metals will occur.

This has nothing to do with what the body can tolerate, but the

chemistry of DMSA and ALA. As well, 200mg is way too much. Start at 12.5

mg and work up.

> he is doing very well on it but I realize that it is NOT for

> everybody....To develop our protocol, it was based on an OAT and amino

> acid

> protocol....

>

> What anti-yeast things are you doing???

>

> Here is our everyday protocol:

>

> Fish oil - 4g/day

> Culturelle 3 billion cells/day (due to bacteria)

> Mega Flora Probiotic - 25 billion 2x/day

> MSM - 2 g/day

>

Also redistributes metals

> l-glutamine - 3500 mg/day (for leaky gut)

> melatonin - 1-3 mg 3/day depending on activity level

> P5P - 50 mg/day

> CoQ10 - 50 mg/day (mitochondiral issues)

> Vit C - 500 mg 3x/day

> Folinic acid - 800 mcg

> Zinc Citrate - 60 mg 3x/day (pica - eats paper)

> Cal/Mag/Phosporus - 1 tbsp (phos is low on metals test)

> Biotin - 24mg/day

> Taurine - 500 mg/day

> Mag Citrate - 140 mg 3x/day (when constipated)

> 5-HTP - 50 mg/day

> NAC - 500 mg/day

> Lecithin - 1/2 tsp

>

> This is what I add for supporting his system during chelation:

>

> Day 1-3:

>

> Nystatin - 3 scoops 2x/day (when taking DMSA)

> Thieves Essential oil (1 drop/day)

> Lemon/Orange Essential Oil on feet (helps to support glutithione)

>

> Day 4-7:

>

> Nystatin - 2 scoops 2x/day

> Juva Cleanse Essential Oil (herbal chelator) 10 drops/day

> 1/2 dropper of ionic minerals (lithium very important)

> Multi-Vitamin - 3x/day

> Lemon/Orange Essential Oil on feet (helps to support glutithione)

>

> Day 8-14:

>

> Enzyme - 2 with each meal

> Gogi Juice 1tsp 3x/day

> Thieves Essential oil (1 drop 3x/day)

> Lemon/Orange Essential Oil on feet (helps to support glutithione)

> Multi-Vitamin - 3x/day

> Nystatin - 2 scoops 2x/day

>

> It is tons of work but I worked into it gradually....

>

> Take care...

>

> ANN

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Inap Inap [mailto:atnapatnap@...

> <mailto:atnapatnap%40>]

> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:53 PM

> aschimka@... <mailto:aschimka%40san.rr.com>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

> decide

>

> Hi,

>

> We are on the 2nd round of DMSA - chelation AC protocol...

> Did you give Zinc 60 mg 3 times a day... so its 180 mg a day?????

>

> Will you please tell me what other supps you give during and after the

> round???

>

> I give my son DMSA (25mg), divided in 4 doses, 6.5mg a dose... and will

> increase slowly...

> I give the dose on 3 hours..

> Some give on 4 but I give on 3 hours and totally 24 doses for 3 days..

>

> How much DMSA you start anf how much you giver??

> Did you give on every 4 or 3 h...

>

> Any other advices??

>

> My best regards

> Goran

> Macedonia

>

>

>

> From: Ann Schimka <aschimkasan (DOT) <mailto:aschimka% 40san.rr. com> rr.com>

> Subject: RE: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

> decide

> @ <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com>

> groups. com

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:19 PM

>

> My son takes Nystatin to keep his yeast under control and when we are

> doing

> chelation days.....I increase his dose from 4 scoops to 6 scoops (per his

> DAN) for a few days....ALA stimulates more yeast (I believe)....

>

> ANN

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism- Mercury@

> groups.

> com]

> On Behalf Of truthwinsnow

> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:57 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

> decide

>

> Hello parents,

>

> We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7

> yo, 62

> lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired).

> Then we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

>

> She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all day

> long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has more body

> burden of Mercury than in the brain?

>

> I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

>

> We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> regards,

> Ragha

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Fish oil - 4g/day

> Culturelle 3 billion cells/day (due to bacteria) Mega Flora Probiotic

> - 25 billion 2x/day MSM - 2 g/day

>

Also redistributes metals

What does????

ANN

[ ] Increased stimming with ALA, please help me

> decide

>

> Hello parents,

>

> We did several rounds of DMSA (25 mg every 4 hours) on my daughter (7

> yo, 62

> lbs) without any medical or behavioral side effects (except little tired).

> Then we introduced ALA at 7 mg and slowly increased up to 12.5 mg.

>

> She became very stimmy at ALA 12.5 mg and was tapping on surfaces all

> day long. Does that mean the ALA dose is too high? Or does she has

> more body burden of Mercury than in the brain?

>

> I want to continue Chelation. What should I do and how should I do?

>

> We have yeast fully under control with anti fungals and probiotics.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> regards,

> Ragha

>

>