Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I hope someone can answer you question. I can only tell you to stay away from Celebrex; it's bad news. snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003@...> wrote: Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is creeping back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, pain med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I have a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you take? Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 I still take Celebrex which is prescribed by my rheumatologist if I need it. When I discussed it with my cardiologist, he said he felt it was OK to take if I took a baby aspirin each day. His opinion is that most of the problems with Celebrex and other related medications could have been prevented by simply including the baby aspirin daily. I'm not recommending anyone take it unwarranted. I tried other medications and got the most relief from Celebrex. I take it if I need it. Re: [ ] If you were me... I hope someone can answer you question. I can only tell you to stay away from Celebrex; it's bad news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is creeping back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, pain med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I have a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you take? Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Hi, Dorothy. COX-2 inhibitors like Celebrex were developed to be safer for the GI tract. The COX-2s haven't been shown to be better pain relievers than nonselective NSAIDs. The problem with routinely taking aspirin with a COX-2 is that it is thought that aspirin will negate any GI advantage the COX-2s might confer. Not an MD I'll tell you where to go! Mayo Clinic in Rochester http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester s Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org Re: [ ] If you were me... > > > I hope someone can answer you question. I can only tell you to stay away > from Celebrex; it's bad news. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 Yes, I'm aware of that and I believe the recommendation is to space them - when I was taking the Celebrex regularly, I never took the baby aspirin at the same time. Believe me, I'm not advocating Celebrex for most people. Unfortunately, many times, it's what works best for some people. Since I'm also suffering from neuropathy of my right leg, I had so much pain in my hands at one point, I had to return to Celebrex for relief - otherwise, I wasn't able to hold the cane and use my hands to lift myself from a seated position. So you have to decide what's best for you in individual situations. Re: [ ] If you were me... Hi, Dorothy. COX-2 inhibitors like Celebrex were developed to be safer for the GI tract. The COX-2s haven't been shown to be better pain relievers than nonselective NSAIDs. The problem with routinely taking aspirin with a COX-2 is that it is thought that aspirin will negate any GI advantage the COX-2s might confer. Not an MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 I am glad it works for you. I took one dose once and soon after, had stomach bleeding. The pill worked quite well, the RA pain vanished almost immediately. Just be careful and be aware of any discomfort or changes that might occur. Good luck. Dorothy <dorv@...> wrote: I still take Celebrex which is prescribed by my rheumatologist if I need it. When I discussed it with my cardiologist, he said he felt it was OK to take if I took a baby aspirin each day. His opinion is that most of the problems with Celebrex and other related medications could have been prevented by simply including the baby aspirin daily. I'm not recommending anyone take it unwarranted. I tried other medications and got the most relief from Celebrex. I take it if I need it. Re: [ ] If you were me... I hope someone can answer you question. I can only tell you to stay away from Celebrex; it's bad news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 I understand, Dorothy. I had to say what I did since we have so many members and because there is so much confusion over the COX-2s. Not an MD I'll tell you where to go! Mayo Clinic in Rochester http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester s Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org Re: [ ] If you were me... Hi, Dorothy. COX-2 inhibitors like Celebrex were developed to be safer for the GI tract. The COX-2s haven't been shown to be better pain relievers than nonselective NSAIDs. The problem with routinely taking aspirin with a COX-2 is that it is thought that aspirin will negate any GI advantage the COX-2s might confer. Not an MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2006 Report Share Posted May 13, 2006 My rheumatologist has me on low-dose aspirin therapy anyway. She says the incidence of heart/vascualr problems among those with RA is high enough that low dose aspirin therapy is a good idea even if you aren't taking any NSAIDS. She also said that if you are taking low dose aspirin AND an NSAID, you should take the NSAID at least 2 hours AFTER taking the aspirin, otherwise you lessen the effectiveness of the aspirin. I guess the NSAID I'm on, (Votarin) has the lease effect on aspirin therapy, but she said to space them 2 hours apart anyway. > > I still take Celebrex which is prescribed by my rheumatologist if I need it. > When I discussed it with my cardiologist, he said he felt it was OK to take > if I took a baby aspirin each day. His opinion is that most of the problems > with Celebrex and other related medications could have been prevented by > simply including the baby aspirin daily. > > I'm not recommending anyone take it unwarranted. I tried other medications > and got the most relief from Celebrex. I take it if I need it. > > Re: [ ] If you were me... > > > I hope someone can answer you question. I can only tell you to stay away > from Celebrex; it's bad news. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Darvocet!!!!!! I dont like or advocate prednisone bursts because the pain is ridiculous during a taper. I will go up a few milligrams, take darvocet and ice or heat the area. We are having a perpetual deluge of rain about 9 days straight so the forecast says. The cold damp does wonders for my arthritis and my disposition. (Smirk) FEEL BETTER. Deborah On 5/12/06, snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003@...> wrote: Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is creepingback. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, painmed. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I havea supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. Mycall was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday.If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you take?Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 I feel a bit frustrated that my doctor didn't discuss a pain management plan for me during the tapering period! Seems like an important and obvious thing to address. She was in a big rush, as always. Her pace affects my quality of care. Sierra > > > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is creeping > > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, pain > > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I have > > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My > > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you take? > > > > Sierra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Hi Sierra, sorry to hear you're in pain. I also have RA (diagnosed in 2003) and the only thing that really takes my pain away is the oxycodone or endocet; the darvocet does not work for me, sorry. About your doctor, tell that stupid to hit the road, get yourself quality care with a doctor who addresses pain management. If they were one minute in our skins they would be compasionate and not treat us like junkies. Feel free to print this out and hand it over to her... > > > > > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is > creeping > > > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, > pain > > > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. > I have > > > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. > My > > > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > > > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > > > > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you > take? > > > > > > Sierra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Thanks for the concern. Overall, I am satisfied with this doctor. I've had two others and she's by far the best. Definitely not perfect, but I'm sure even she would admit that the lack of time she has affects her ability to give the very best patient care. OTC Tylenol is managing my pain just fine at the moment. Sierra > > > > > > > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is > > creeping > > > > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and > what, > > pain > > > > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on > board. > > I have > > > > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol > Arthritis. > > My > > > > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > > > > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > > > > > > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would > you > > take? > > > > > > > > Sierra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Sierra- Well said!!!!! My advice is this. Call the receptionist and tell her you want to " consult " with the doctor. This is not a visit. Whatever amount of time you absolutely need with her . Fifteen minutes undisturbed lets say. Find out if one day is slower or better for her than others. I found writing letters helps ALOT. The doctor will make time to read that and ask the nurse to call you or write back with instructions. Hope that helps. Hugs, Deborah On 5/14/06, snowdrift52003 <snowdrift52003@...> wrote: I feel a bit frustrated that my doctor didn't discuss a painmanagement plan for me during the tapering period! Seems like animportant and obvious thing to address. She was in a big rush, asalways. Her pace affects my quality of care. Sierra> >> > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is creeping> > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what,pain> > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board.I have> > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My> > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage> > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday.> >> > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you take?> >> > Sierra> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 --- i would try spirituaL/REIKI HEALING and possibly a device called the violet ray a high frequency device --here is a bit if info Violet ray These machines were in common use in the 1900s and literally thousands of them were being used. It is like a wand in appearance with a bulb applicator, when the machine is switched on, by virtue of a Tesla coil high frequency sparks come of the applicator and a violet glow is seen to appear. Edgar Cayce recommended this device for hundreds of people for all manor of complaints. Some Cayce quotes Cayce said the spine is one of the holders of the physical karma in all of us. According to Allan Wilkinson who uses his violet ray extensively. This is all about getting our thinking right and it would seem to be that the right thinking has many advantages over many other therapies. I've changed the shape of my own spine by getting my thinking right. This point helps one to understand why Edgar didn't always suggest a mechanical adjustment. Right thinking was easier on the body and gave better long-term results. Jesus came into the world to teach us how to think constructively. " Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who thought it not robbery to be equal with God. SFG Book 2. P 52. 14.6: " I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. I am the way. " Get physical relaxation and stimulation through the use of massage or the Violet Ray and you will find a cure. Cayce said that the Violet Ray stimulates the sympathetic and cerebro- spinal nervous system and it creates a balance. However, he warns about using it as a crutch for your cure. But if you use it while working on your thinking it becomes an invaluable tool for helping the body. From the time it's turned on it transfers your energies from one area to others that need them more. I have seen the above points many times, coming together to get many cures, so they are worth thinking about. In one reading, on possession, Cayce said that it will drive out negative earth bound entities. These are entities that try to stop you changing the way you think. I did two of these treatments and they were both a success. I gave them the Violet Ray up and down both sides of the spine, three times at a slow to moderate pace. Both had very unhappy childhoods. Their behavior improved from then on and they appear to be still stable. Each needed two treatments only. I believe it would help children with behavioral problems. Don Button's file on research into the Violet Ray, as used in the Edgar Cayce readings, is a wealth of information. If you have a Violet Ray, you will appreciate the file. It's the best information on the Violet Ray that we've got. The Violet Ray helps the body cope with the negative cells when created from past negative selfish thinking while the new positive cells build up through the listening process with the help of improved thinking. Some suggested application methods for general debilitation Treatment Varied considerably Treat the body as in figure 8 that is put the applicator under the right arm pit the first day for 10 mins. Then under left knee the next day, under left armpit the next day then under right knee the next day, then repeat. Apparently these are the same locations where the lymph system cones to the surface. Reading 313-17 states that the violet ray calms the nerves. Also used for blindness and severe headaches, Rheumatism, Lesions, ears and deafness, after effects of surgery. The violet ray was applied to various different places on the body including the eyes, throat spine, arm pits, base of the brain, upper broncials, thyroids even a rectal applicator to treat hemorrhoids, the feet the scalp. Some other explanations followed over the forty odd years – violet ray treatments directly on the spine to stimulate the superficial circulation and revitalize giving more activity to the whole of the respiratory system. The violet ray gives incentives to the nerve centers to be rejuvenated again .The ozone produced from the machine would be most beneficial to the body. It was stated that amperage burns cells and is not helpful. Only negative static dc. Like voltage is life or healing and makes resistance in the system. The violet ray should be applied to the feet and lower limbs along the sciatic nerve and across the sacral and in the plexus of the cervical and upper dorsal. Do this each evening and in 5-6 weeks the body will be more active mentally and physically. This machine is still being used to treat acne and to increase circulation in the scalp. There are also reports of increased hair growth or baldness. The Violet Ray is the current carried directly into the system and is a destructive vibration, while the Radio-Active vibration is constructive. These do not work in opposition to one another, but work on different portions of the system. The application of the violet ray following the packs of salts, when the skin has been opened, or the pores, and the centers along the cerebro-spinal system are ready for response to this low form of electrical vibration, will enliven not only the nerve centers of the cerebro-spinal and sympathetic system, but also cleansing the blood stream itself. This we would give from five to fifteen minutes along the cerebro- spinal system; that is, over those areas that have been covered with the Epsom salts, see? That is, from the base of brain to the first dorsal area, then from the first dorsal area to the 10th dorsal, going towards the Central portion of the body. The application to the side of head and to the eye would be divided between two and a half minutes; for the side of the head - each temple, you see, would be included in the two and a half minutes for both sides, then to the eyes with the double eye applicator for two and a half minutes. Then, after four or five such adjustments are made, begin with the low electrical vibrations to the side of head and neck, and the direct application with the double eye applicator, of the Violet Ray. This will cleanse the body from the poisons as well as any tendencies for those activities of influences from without that are not of a creative or helpful nature. It will also not change the vibratory rate of the body but increase same in its abilities for the use of the abilities latent within to apply the spiritual interpretations and spiritual healings for others. Then, after the three or four or five osteopathic adjustments, begin with the Violet Ray (hand machine). This may be done by self. Apply first the bulb applicator across the lumbar and sacral areas, then across the shoulders and the lower portion of neck and between shoulders, around the side of the head and the face, for about a minute and a half. Rest for about five minutes. Then apply the double eye applicator to the eyes, and then turn on the machine. This would be used for not more than a minute and a half for the body application (with the bulb applicator, you see), and for a minute or less to the eyes with the eye applicator. Do this each day for some ten days or two weeks. (Q) What causes failing of sight at times and what should be done for it? Cayce said The same applies to those conditions where the nerves' reaction to the sensory system makes an excessive reaction in the vision; just as at times . if the body will be mindful of it - there is apparently not as good hearing, the taste is not as well, the vision is not as well; hence reactions from the elementals and from the superficial reaction in the violet ray to produce an attunement with the cerebrospinal and sympathetic centers in the upper dorsal area. The Readings suggested the violet ray for me 20 years ago, and I haven't worn glasses since. So I know from experience what it can do I found the Violet Ray to be very affective. Everyone should have one of these in their homes. Edgar Cayce knew what he was talking about when he recommended it in 900 of his readings. Ray has been mentioned MANY times by Researchers in the early part of the 20th Century and was originally developed from the work of GENIUS Scientist, Nikola Tesla. The Violet or the Neon Ray is a HIGH-Voltage & LOW Current source of HIGH Frequency (10,000+ Hertz) The Ray provides a PLEASANT, TINGLING Sensation to the Skin and Scalp by it's ability to INCREASE Oxygenation in the form of Ozone (O3) into the Blood. It is used today for various Skin and Scalp Conditions, such as Acne, Wrinkles, Dandruff, Gray Hair and Baldness. The Ray appears to also work by BALANCING and ENERGIZING the Nervous System and moves the " Chi " . The Violet Ray has been known to relieve pain to any part of the body by bringing circulation to the area. The electrical currents penetrate every cell and tissue of the body to stimulate and strengthen the vital organs, build up the natural forces, steady the nerves, and develop the general health and conditions of the body. High frequency electrical currents carry oxygen to the blood, thus purifying the vital body fluid. The ray equalizes the circulation in congested parts and restore bruised and inflamed tissues to normal. The applicator rubbed over fat will bring circulation and warmth to the area to metabolize fatty tissue. Wonderful for removing wrinkles, warts and moles. Wonderful for promoting hair growth or reducing hair from falling out. A few minutes application each day can be all that is needed. Many authorities state that impaired circulation of the blood causes most ailments. The Violet Ray uses argon inert gas, that is what makes the violet color in the electrode. The neon gas is what makes the orange color. I can send you to a website where you can more electrode attachments.This hand held unit comes with 3 glass electrodes. Some people report through experimentation- Swelling and painful areas very quickly being relieved, however this does not mean you would get the same result; Knee, back, shoulder, pain ect If you rub along each side of the spine, the organs can become nourished with energy by using the acupuncture points TESTIMONIALS These testimonials you are about to read are from real people but this does not mean you would get the same result. These are results people have reported back to me after buying the Ray. This does not mean you would get the same results as these testimonials below Warren, Fla. This man is in his 60/s has Diabetes. His hands have arthritis and the top of the hands of big spots of black and blue bruising from lack of circulation. He applied the ray about ten minutes each hand, his family was with him. Within minutes he said he could move his fingers and wrists without much pain and more flexibility. His flesh color came back to his wrists that quick except for one spot. Which worked on later. The Ray drew the circulation to the area, ozonated the blood which means it put in oxygen and moved the stagnated blood. (Does not mean you would have same result) Steve in orlando gave his violet ray to his 86 year old mom because after putting it on her Diabetic open wounds once a day for a week. Within that week heal healed up beacuse the ray drew the new blood to the wounds and pushed out the toxic blood.(Does not mean you would have same result) *) M, in Orlando Fla-Called to tell me she used it for a few mintues on her Pancreas which had been in pain for two weeks. After a few moniutes of rubbing the ray over her pacreas, the pain was gone. (Does not mean you would get the same results) *) A women with Crohn's disease had pain on her right big toe. Her right foot was swollen. She applied the ray and within minutes her pain was much better and about 5 minutes later her swelling was down. She was very happy (Does not mean you would get the same results) *) A women with shoulder pain, in minutes was pain free. (Does not mean you would get the same results) Another women called me to say she used it for more energy. She used it on her face for ten minutes. (Does not mean you would get the same results). *) DR. Kion in Fla has had polio for 40 some years. After a week of using the violet ray on his legs a few times a day, he walks more balanced and with reduced pain. It is easier for him to get out of bed in the mornings and has increased energy. He loves it. (Does not mean you would get the same results). *)Reports of wrinkles being reduced. Moles, spider veins, and warts dissapearing are very common The Violet Ray has provided the means of bringing to every home, at a reasonable price, a method whereby every vital process can be quickened and the blood made to course through the body with renewed vigor. If necessary, the treatment can be concentrated on any organ, muscle or nerve, however delicate or tender. By this treatment the impurities are washed from the affected organs by a rich, warm flow of blood which nourishes and stimulates the tissues and which is generated by the penetrating current of the Neon Ray, reaching the cells which supply life to the tissue, and causing them to vibrate. The stagnant pools of blood are thus set in motion and the poisons contained therein are relieved of by the purifying processes of nature. The blood thus being freed of poisons is able to take up oxygen from the lungs and nutrition from the digestive organs and returns tissue building material to every part of the body. In this way new tissue is formed to replace that destroyed by disease and carried away in the blood stream. This process of stimulation is called a " cellular massage " because of the fact that the vibration or contractile effect is expanded upon the individual cells making up the tissue, rather than on individual muscles. This is an important reason why the high frequency current produces such marked effect on nutrition and general health. Cellular massage is much more penetrating and beneficial than muscular massage as produced by mechanical vibration. Increases glandular activity, germicidal action occurs during use and aids in deeper penetration of product into the skin Apply for to reducing wrinkles, growing hair or for any other use, No more than 25 minutes using the Handheld or an hour using the pro model minutes a day, twice daily Can be used on animals and children Where ever the electrode is applied, it metabolizes the fat because of the increase of circulation to the area This device comes with three electrodes 3 electrodesThe General, rake and the rod electrode. *The general is used to apply any where on the surface of the skin. *The rake is for the scalp for hair growth by promoting circulation, also for stopping hair from falling out *The rod for zapping acne, warts, moles, blackheads, ECT Do not use if you are pregnant or have a heart pacemaker Keep away from the computer or televisoin · Electrotherapy for the 21Century, the wave of the future *Reduce Swelling, Pain and Inflammation *Reduce wrinkles, give your self a face lift *Promote hair growth by bringing circulation to the scalp. *Receive an energy boost just like a battery charge *Relief from allergies by ozonating the sinus cavities *Metabolize fat over area where applied *Oxygenate and ozonate your body People have reported this device with great results for every ailment, such as; Healing Diabetic wounds because of the ozonation effect killing the bacteria and bringing circulation to the wounds. Allergies because when you rub the electrode over the sinus cavities the ozonation kills the build of bacteria and replaces the energy to the area. There has been many testimonies of neck, knee, back, carpel tunnel, headaches, Arthritic pain very quickly being relieved. Increased energy and over all well-bei This is not to be used as medical advice. Physicians did use this device successfully for every ailment in the early part of the century. They had glass electrodes designed in 62 different forms. They were used for Cervix, Throat, Prostate, breast cancer. The physicians used this similar high frequency device for ailments from A to Z. until the development of the Pharmaceutical companies. Then the doctors were forced to stop using the Ray which uses the inert gas Argon and had to sell their drugs. If they did not comply they were labeled as quacks. The Ray is sold today only for cosmetic purposes, to reduce wrinkles and promote hair growth by bringing circulation and energy to the scalp and face. Thm to return the body back to balance. If you buy this device you are buying it only for cosmetic reasons, if you use it for anything else it is for your own experimentation and research .. The glass electrode filled with neon rubbed over the area ozonates thus oxygenating the area. Ozonation kills parasites, bacteria and viruses. The blood receives oxygen when the electrode is applied. Where there is pain there is a build up of positive ions, this replaces it with the beneficial negative ions which are very healthy for the body. The Ray may cause electroporation to the cells, meaning the cells become more permeable ( The cells opening up a little more than normal) making the toxins flush out easily and the nutrients rush in. This can detox the cells and improve the lymph flow. Also. Where there's pain, swelling, inflammation and disease there is a problem of low millivolts in the area. This device raises the millivolts eventually back to normal. normal healthy cells are approximately 100 millivolts, an aged cell is 50 millivolts and a cancer cell is 15 millivolts, The Violet ray is a literal battery charge . We are electrical, magnetic, color and sound so doesn't it make sense to balance our bodies with this same form of energy Selective Effects Obtainable A: AS A SEDATIVE As sedative quieting or soothing effect can be obtained and is of great benefit in all nervous ailments. This effect can be produced locally by keeping the electrode in contact with the part to be treated. Painful sensations can be relieved, irritated nerves tranquilized and soothed. Nervous disorders are quickly and beneficially influenced by a sedative treatment. stimulating effect is produced when the electrode is lifted somewhat during the application or used through the clothing or a cloth which has been put over the part to be treated. The length of the stimulating sparks depends on the thickness of the clothing or cloth placed between the electrode and the body. Uniformity in spark length is insured by the cloth. This stimulation is caused by the many small sparks generally called High Frequency Spray. They cause a pleasant and tingling sensation and bombard thoroughly the area which they cover, resulting in a very beneficial heating effect. They also generate ozone which is directly driven into the tissue, causing the ozonation of the blood. These sparks are germ killing and overcome infection. Stimulating treatments through clothing are very beneficial in rheumatism, lumbago, and partial paralysis. Skin disorders, where the circulation is impaired, are often greatly benefited by a slight stimulation. A single layer of a handkerchief produces enough resistance in such cases. An ordinary towel is best to use in chronic rheumatism and similar affections. Loss of weight, lack of appetite, general weakness, lassitude and similar conditions as a rule indicate Anemia or impoverished blood and poor circulation, commonly culled a run down condition. The Master Violet Ray primarily increases the blood circulation. It does what the worn out, run down body cannot do naturally. Disease germs are, therefore, fought and consumed, poisons are dissolved and carried away C: AS AN INTERNAL ANTISEPTIC Wherever the Violet Ray comes in contact with the oxygen in the air it changes part of that oxygen into what is known as ozone, a concentrated form of oxygen that is a great many times more active than that in the air. Oxygen in the blood has the remarkable quality of burning up dead or diseased cells without burning up those that are healthy, and it is the only antiseptic known that can be taken directly into the body with this effect. For this treatment the Master Ozone Generator shown on page 20 may be used with any Master machine for the purpose of obtaining large quantities of ozone for inhalation. The effect of inhaling ozone is much the same as that of inhaling large quantities of pure air, or even pure oxygen. It purifies and enriches the blood, invigorates the body and causes pure oxygen to be taken up in large quantities in the blood stream. Ozone inhalation is of particular benefit in the treatment of respiratory disorders. Taken into the lungs it attacks the diseased cells and causes them to be oxidized and thrown off with the exhaled air. It is a most essential form of treatment for asthma, hay fever, and all lung, throat and nose cases. This treatment may also be obtained by using a surface applicator and applying it to the surface of the body nearest the seat of the trouble. As the Violet Ray leaps from the applicator into the body it carries with it minute quantities of this concentrated oxygen which is thus injected directly into the tissues and blood. This is known as catophoric action and has the effect of overcoming the lack of oxygen in the blood by charging it with an added quantity. An Introduction to the Violet Ray followed by an Instruction Manual that was provided with a violet ray made in the 1930's I have a violet ray device. I originally bought an antique unit off ebay which contained a lot of different attachments. The transformer was mounted in the case and the wand, which accepted the many tubes, was light and attached to the base unit with a thin cord. It was pleasing to use as a stimulant to the scalp with the comb attachment, as well as to use the " pancake " tube to massage rosemary oil or other antiinflammatories into a specific area. It appeared to have a good effect on local infections, even acne. It had a long tube with a coil of wire inside that could be held in a hand for systemic effects. In , " snowdrift52003 " <snowdrift52003@...> wrote: > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is creeping > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, pain > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I have > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you take? > > Sierra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Phil, If these violet ray machines are effective, why are there no clinical trials or other supporting evidence showing positive results? Looking up these violet ray machines brings me pages and pages of antique quack medicine pages. I consider myself pretty open minded, but before hooking up electrodes to my body, I want more evidence. a On May 15, 2006, at 5:23 PM, pjb12345uk wrote: > --- > i would try spirituaL/REIKI HEALING > > > and possibly a device called the violet ray > > a high frequency device --here is a bit if info > > Violet ray > These machines were in common use in the 1900s and literally thousands > of them were being used. It is like a wand in appearance with a bulb > applicator, when the machine is switched on, by virtue of a Tesla coil > high frequency sparks come of the applicator and a violet glow is seen > to appear. Edgar Cayce recommended this device for hundreds of > people for all manor of complaints. > Some Cayce quotes > Cayce said the spine is one of the holders of the physical karma in > all of us. > According to Allan Wilkinson who uses his violet ray extensively. This > is all about getting our thinking right and it would seem to be that > the right thinking has many advantages over many other therapies. I've > changed the shape of my own spine by getting my thinking right. This > point helps one to understand why Edgar didn't always suggest a > mechanical adjustment. Right thinking was easier on the body and gave > better long-term results. Jesus came into the world to teach us how to > think constructively. " Let this mind be in you which was also in > Christ Jesus, who thought it not robbery to be equal with God. SFG > Book 2. P 52. 14.6: " I am the way, the truth and the life. No one > comes to the father except through me. I am the way. " > > Get physical relaxation and stimulation through the use of massage or > the Violet Ray and you will find a cure. > Cayce said that the Violet Ray stimulates the sympathetic and cerebro- > spinal nervous system and it creates a balance. However, he warns > about using it as a crutch for your cure. But if you use it while > working on your thinking it becomes an invaluable tool for helping the > body. From the time it's turned on it transfers your energies from one > area to others that need them more. I have seen the above points many > times, coming together to get many cures, so they are worth thinking > about. > > In one reading, on possession, Cayce said that it will drive out > negative earth bound entities. These are entities that try to stop you > changing the way you think. I did two of these treatments and they > were both a success. I gave them the Violet Ray up and down both sides > of the spine, three times at a slow to moderate pace. Both had very > unhappy childhoods. Their behavior improved from then on and they > appear to be still stable. Each needed two treatments only. I believe > it would help children with behavioral problems. > > Don Button's file on research into the Violet Ray, as used in the > Edgar Cayce readings, is a wealth of information. If you have a Violet > Ray, you will appreciate the file. It's the best information on the > Violet Ray that we've got. > The Violet Ray helps the body cope with the negative cells when > created from past negative selfish thinking while the new positive > cells build up through the listening process with the help of improved > thinking. > Some suggested application methods for general debilitation > > Treatment > Varied considerably > > Treat the body as in figure 8 that is put the applicator under the > right arm pit the first day for 10 mins. Then under left knee the next > day, under left armpit the next day then under right knee the next > day, then repeat. > Apparently these are the same locations where the lymph system cones > to the surface. > > Reading 313-17 states that the violet ray calms the nerves. Also used > for blindness and severe headaches, Rheumatism, Lesions, ears and > deafness, after effects of surgery. The violet ray was applied to > various different places on the body including the eyes, throat spine, > arm pits, base of the brain, upper broncials, thyroids even a rectal > applicator to treat hemorrhoids, the feet the scalp. Some other > explanations followed over the forty odd years – violet ray treatments > directly on the spine to stimulate the superficial circulation and > revitalize giving more activity to the whole of the respiratory > system. > The violet ray gives incentives to the nerve centers to be rejuvenated > again .The ozone produced from the machine would be most beneficial to > the body. It was stated that amperage burns cells and is not helpful. > Only negative static dc. > > Like voltage is life or healing and makes resistance in the system. > The violet ray should be applied to the feet and lower limbs along the > sciatic nerve and across the sacral and in the plexus of the cervical > and upper dorsal. Do this each evening and in 5-6 weeks the body will > be more active mentally and physically. This machine is still being > used to treat acne and to increase circulation in the scalp. There are > also reports of increased hair growth or baldness. > > > The Violet Ray is the current carried directly into the system and is > a destructive vibration, while the Radio-Active vibration is > constructive. These do not work in opposition to one another, but > work on different portions of the system. > > The application of the violet ray following the packs of salts, when > the skin has been opened, or the pores, and the centers along the > cerebro-spinal system are ready for response to this low form of > electrical vibration, will enliven not only the nerve centers of the > cerebro-spinal and sympathetic system, but also cleansing the blood > stream itself. > > This we would give from five to fifteen minutes along the cerebro- > spinal system; that is, over those areas that have been covered with > the Epsom salts, see? That is, from the base of brain to the first > dorsal area, then from the first dorsal area to the 10th dorsal, going > towards the > Central portion of the body. > > The application to the side of head and to the eye would be divided > between two and a half minutes; for the side of the head - each > temple, you see, would be included in the two and a half minutes for > both sides, then to the eyes with the double eye applicator for two > and a half minutes. > > Then, after four or five such adjustments are made, begin with the low > electrical vibrations to the side of head and neck, and the direct > application with the double eye applicator, of the Violet Ray. This > will cleanse the body from the poisons as well as any tendencies for > those activities of influences from without that are not of a creative > or helpful nature. > > It will also not change the vibratory rate of the body but increase > same in its abilities for the use of the abilities latent within to > apply the spiritual interpretations and spiritual healings for > others. Then, after the three or four or five osteopathic > adjustments, begin with the Violet Ray (hand machine). This may be > done by self. Apply first the bulb applicator across the lumbar and > sacral areas, then across the shoulders and the lower portion of neck > and between shoulders, around the side of the head and the face, for > about a minute and a half. Rest for about five minutes. Then apply > the double eye applicator to the eyes, and then turn on the machine. > This would be used for not more than a minute and a half for the body > application (with the bulb applicator, you see), and for a minute or > less to the eyes with the eye applicator. Do this each day for some > ten days or two weeks. > > (Q) What causes failing of sight at times and what should be done for > it? Cayce said The same applies to those conditions where the nerves' > reaction to the sensory system makes an excessive reaction in the > vision; just as at times . if the body will be mindful of it - there > is apparently not as good hearing, the taste is not as well, the > vision is not as well; hence reactions from the elementals and from > the superficial reaction in the violet ray to produce an attunement > with the cerebrospinal and sympathetic centers in the upper dorsal > area. > > The Readings suggested the violet ray for me 20 years ago, and I > haven't worn glasses since. So I know from experience what it can do > > I found the Violet Ray to be very affective. Everyone should have one > of these in their homes. Edgar Cayce knew what he was talking about > when he recommended it in 900 of his readings. > > Ray has been mentioned MANY times by Researchers in the early part of > the 20th Century and was originally developed from the work of GENIUS > Scientist, Nikola Tesla. The Violet or the Neon Ray is a HIGH-Voltage > & LOW Current source of HIGH Frequency (10,000+ Hertz) > > The Ray provides a PLEASANT, TINGLING Sensation to the Skin and Scalp > by it's ability to INCREASE Oxygenation in the form of Ozone (O3) into > the Blood. It is used today for various Skin and Scalp Conditions, > such as Acne, Wrinkles, Dandruff, Gray Hair and Baldness. The Ray > appears to also work by BALANCING and ENERGIZING the Nervous System > and moves the " Chi " . > > The Violet Ray has been known to relieve pain to any part of the body > by bringing circulation to the area. The electrical currents penetrate > every cell and tissue of the body to stimulate and strengthen the > vital organs, build up the natural forces, steady the nerves, and > develop the general health and conditions of the body. > > High frequency electrical currents carry oxygen to the blood, thus > purifying the vital body fluid. The ray equalizes the circulation in > congested parts and restore bruised and inflamed tissues to normal. > The applicator rubbed over fat will bring circulation and warmth to > the area to metabolize fatty tissue. Wonderful for removing wrinkles, > warts and moles. Wonderful for promoting hair growth or reducing hair > from falling out. > > A few minutes application each day can be all that is needed. Many > authorities state that impaired circulation of the blood causes most > ailments. > > The Violet Ray uses argon inert gas, that is what makes the violet > color in the electrode. The neon gas is what makes the orange color. I > can send you to a website where you can more electrode > attachments.This hand held unit comes with 3 glass electrodes. > > Some people report through experimentation- Swelling and painful areas > very quickly being relieved, however this does not mean you would get > the same result; Knee, back, shoulder, pain ect If you rub along each > side of the spine, the organs can become nourished with energy by > using the acupuncture points > > TESTIMONIALS > > These testimonials you are about to read are from real people but this > does not mean you would get the same result. These are results people > have reported back to me after buying the Ray. > This does not mean you would get the same results as these > testimonials below > > Warren, Fla. This man is in his 60/s has Diabetes. His hands have > arthritis and the top of the hands of big spots of black and blue > bruising from lack of circulation. He applied the ray about ten > minutes each hand, his family was with him. Within minutes he said he > could move his fingers and wrists without much pain and more > flexibility. His flesh color came back to his wrists that quick except > for one spot. Which worked on later. The Ray drew the circulation to > the area, ozonated the blood which means it put in oxygen and moved > the stagnated blood. (Does not mean you would have same result) > Steve in orlando gave his violet ray to his 86 year old mom because > after putting it on her Diabetic open wounds once a day for a week. > Within that week heal healed up beacuse the ray drew the new blood to > the wounds and pushed out the toxic blood.(Does not mean you would > have same result) > > *) M, in Orlando Fla-Called to tell me she used it for a few > mintues on her Pancreas which had been in pain for two weeks. After a > few moniutes of rubbing the ray over her pacreas, the pain was gone. > (Does not mean you would get the same results) > > *) A women with Crohn's disease had pain on her right big toe. Her > right foot was swollen. She applied the ray and within minutes her > pain was much better and about 5 minutes later her swelling was down. > She was very happy (Does not mean you would get the same results) > > *) A women with shoulder pain, in minutes was pain free. (Does not > mean you would get the same results) > Another women called me to say she used it for more energy. She used > it on her face for ten minutes. (Does not mean you would get the same > results). > > *) DR. Kion in Fla has had polio for 40 some years. After a week of > using the violet ray on his legs a few times a day, he walks more > balanced and with reduced pain. It is easier for him to get out of bed > in the mornings and has increased energy. He loves it. (Does not mean > you would get the same results). > > *)Reports of wrinkles being reduced. Moles, spider veins, and warts > dissapearing are very common > > The Violet Ray has provided the means of bringing to every home, at a > reasonable price, a method whereby every vital process can be > quickened and the blood made to course through the body with renewed > vigor. If necessary, the treatment can be concentrated on any organ, > muscle or nerve, however delicate or tender. By this treatment the > impurities are washed from the affected organs by a rich, warm flow of > blood which nourishes and stimulates the tissues and which is > generated by the penetrating current of the Neon Ray, reaching the > cells which supply life to the tissue, and causing them to vibrate. > > The stagnant pools of blood are thus set in motion and the poisons > contained therein are relieved of by the purifying processes of > nature. The blood thus being freed of poisons is able to take up > oxygen from the lungs and nutrition from the digestive organs and > returns tissue building material to every part of the body. In this > way new tissue is formed to replace that destroyed by disease and > carried away in the blood stream. This process of stimulation is > called a " cellular massage " because of the fact that the vibration or > contractile effect is expanded upon the individual cells making up the > tissue, rather than on individual muscles. This is an important reason > why the high frequency current produces such marked effect on > nutrition and general health. Cellular massage is much more > penetrating and beneficial than muscular massage as produced by > mechanical vibration. > > Increases glandular activity, germicidal action occurs during use and > aids in deeper penetration of product into the skin > > Apply for to reducing wrinkles, growing hair or for any other use, > No more than 25 minutes using the Handheld or an hour using the pro > model minutes a day, twice daily > Can be used on animals and children > Where ever the electrode is applied, it metabolizes the fat because of > the increase of circulation to the area This device comes with three > electrodes > 3 electrodesThe General, rake and the rod electrode. > *The general is used to apply any where on the surface of the skin. > *The rake is for the scalp for hair growth by promoting circulation, > also for stopping hair from falling out *The rod for zapping acne, > warts, moles, blackheads, ECT > > Do not use if you are pregnant or have a heart pacemaker > Keep away from the computer or televisoin > · Electrotherapy for the 21Century, the wave of the future > > *Reduce Swelling, Pain and Inflammation > *Reduce wrinkles, give your self a face lift > *Promote hair growth by bringing circulation to the scalp. > *Receive an energy boost just like a battery charge > *Relief from allergies by ozonating the sinus cavities > *Metabolize fat over area where applied > *Oxygenate and ozonate your body > > People have reported this device with great results for every ailment, > such as; Healing Diabetic wounds because of the ozonation effect > killing the bacteria and bringing circulation to the wounds. > > Allergies because when you rub the electrode over the sinus cavities > the ozonation kills the build of bacteria and replaces the energy to > the area. > > There has been many testimonies of neck, knee, back, carpel tunnel, > headaches, Arthritic pain very quickly being relieved. Increased > energy and over all well-bei > > This is not to be used as medical advice. Physicians did use this > device successfully for every ailment in the early part of the > century. They had glass electrodes designed in 62 different forms. > They were used for Cervix, Throat, Prostate, breast cancer. The > physicians used this similar high frequency device for ailments from A > to Z. until the development of the Pharmaceutical companies. > > Then the doctors were forced to stop using the Ray which uses the > inert gas Argon and had to sell their drugs. If they did not comply > they were labeled as quacks. > > The Ray is sold today only for cosmetic purposes, to reduce wrinkles > and promote hair growth by bringing circulation and energy to the > scalp and face. Thm to return the body back to balance. If you buy > this device you are buying it only for cosmetic reasons, if you use it > for anything else it is for your own experimentation and research > > . The glass electrode filled with neon rubbed over the area ozonates > thus oxygenating the area. > > Ozonation kills parasites, bacteria and viruses. The blood receives > oxygen when the electrode is applied. Where there is pain there is a > build up of positive ions, this replaces it with the beneficial > negative ions which are very healthy for the body. > > The Ray may cause electroporation to the cells, meaning the cells > become more permeable ( The cells opening up a little more than > normal) making the toxins flush out easily and the nutrients rush in. > This can detox the cells and improve the lymph flow. Also. > > Where there's pain, swelling, inflammation and disease there is a > problem of low millivolts in the area. This device raises the > millivolts eventually back to normal. normal healthy cells are > approximately 100 millivolts, an aged cell is 50 millivolts and a > cancer cell is 15 millivolts, The Violet ray is a literal battery > charge . > We are electrical, magnetic, color and sound so doesn't it make sense > to balance our bodies with this same form of energy > > > Selective Effects Obtainable > A: AS A SEDATIVE > As sedative quieting or soothing effect can be obtained and is of > great benefit in all nervous ailments. This effect can be produced > locally by keeping the electrode in contact with the part to be > treated. Painful sensations can be relieved, irritated nerves > tranquilized and soothed. Nervous disorders are quickly and > beneficially influenced by a sedative treatment. > > stimulating effect is produced when the electrode is lifted somewhat > during the application or used through the clothing or a cloth which > has been put over the part to be treated. The length of the > stimulating sparks depends on the thickness of the clothing or cloth > placed between the electrode and the body. Uniformity in spark length > is insured by the cloth. This stimulation is caused by the many small > sparks generally called High Frequency Spray. > > They cause a pleasant and tingling sensation and bombard thoroughly > the area which they cover, resulting in a very beneficial heating > effect. They also generate ozone which is directly driven into the > tissue, causing the ozonation of the blood. These sparks are germ > killing and overcome infection. > > Stimulating treatments through clothing are very beneficial in > rheumatism, lumbago, and partial paralysis. Skin disorders, where the > circulation is impaired, are often greatly benefited by a slight > stimulation. A single layer of a handkerchief produces enough > resistance in such cases. An ordinary towel is best to use in chronic > rheumatism and similar affections. > > Loss of weight, lack of appetite, general weakness, lassitude and > similar conditions as a rule indicate Anemia or impoverished blood and > poor circulation, commonly culled a run down condition. > The Master Violet Ray primarily increases the blood circulation. It > does what the worn out, run down body cannot do naturally. Disease > germs are, therefore, fought and consumed, poisons are dissolved and > carried away > C: AS AN INTERNAL ANTISEPTIC > Wherever the Violet Ray comes in contact with the oxygen in the air it > changes part of that oxygen into what is known as ozone, a > concentrated form of oxygen that is a great many times more active > than that in the air. Oxygen in the blood has the remarkable quality > of burning up dead or diseased cells without burning up those that are > healthy, and it is the only antiseptic known that can be taken > directly into the body with this effect. > > For this treatment the Master Ozone Generator shown on page 20 may be > used with any Master machine for the purpose of obtaining large > quantities of ozone for inhalation. The effect of inhaling ozone is > much the same as that of inhaling large quantities of pure air, or > even pure oxygen. It purifies and enriches the blood, invigorates the > body and causes pure oxygen to be taken up in large quantities in the > blood stream. > Ozone inhalation is of particular benefit in the treatment of > respiratory disorders. Taken into the lungs it attacks the diseased > cells and causes them to be oxidized and thrown off with the exhaled > air. It is a most essential form of treatment for asthma, hay fever, > and all lung, throat and nose cases. > This treatment may also be obtained by using a surface applicator and > applying it to the surface of the body nearest the seat of the > trouble. As the Violet Ray leaps from the applicator into the body it > carries with it minute quantities of this concentrated oxygen which is > thus injected directly into the tissues and blood. This is known as > catophoric action and has the effect of overcoming the lack of oxygen > in the blood by charging it with an added quantity. > > An Introduction to the Violet Ray followed by an Instruction Manual > that was provided with a violet ray made in the 1930's > I have a violet ray device. I originally bought an antique unit off > ebay which contained a lot of different attachments. The transformer > was mounted in the case and the wand, which accepted the many tubes, > was light and attached to the base unit with a thin cord. It was > pleasing to use as a stimulant to the scalp with the comb attachment, > as well as to use the " pancake " tube to massage rosemary oil or other > antiinflammatories into a specific area. It appeared to have a good > effect on local infections, even acne. It had a long tube with a coil > of wire inside that could be held in a hand for systemic effects. > > > In , " snowdrift52003 " <snowdrift52003@...> > wrote: > > > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is > creeping > > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, > pain > > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I > have > > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My > > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you > take? > > > > Sierra > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Reiki's great. Not so sure about that funky violet ray machine, though! Sierra :-) > > > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is > creeping > > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, pain > > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I > have > > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My > > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you > take? > > > > Sierra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Reiki's great. Not so sure about that funky violet ray machine, though! Sierra :-) > > > > Hello, I am tapering off this Prednisone burst and the pain is > creeping > > back. I tried to reach the rheumy this a.m. to ask if, and what, pain > > med. I can take with the Prednisone and Arava I've got on board. I > have > > a supply of Celebrex, and OTC meds--Advil and Tylenol Arthritis. My > > call was returned by an assistant who asked a couple of triage > > questions...sounds like I won't hear until Monday. > > > > If you were me, would you take anything for pain? What would you > take? > > > > Sierra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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