Re: Question: Natural Detox?

[Guest guest]

How were your metal levels tested? Not all is accurate.

As far as 'natural' chelation, all chelators are going to pull metals, stir up

yeast, require dosing according to their half-life and will *all* carry

consequences if not used properly (and, for some, if used at all).

The least invasive and most productive is oral chelation. DMSA has been used

for decades and decades to chelate lead and mercury safely when used

appropriately. ALA is a potent antioxidant that is made by the body (and in

small amounts in food) which also chelates mercury from the brain.

I am not sure what you mean by 'natural'. My guess is you mean not a

prescription. My best advice, then, would be alpha lipoic acid (ALA). It is

widely available, inexpensive, crosses the blood-brain-barrier. You would need

to have no silver (mercury) fillings or no recent mercury exposure to start.

The safest way to administer would be low doses (1/4 per lb of weight per dose)

given every 3-4 hours for 72 hours. Then, take a minimum of a 72 hour break

before doing it again.

I started with TD-DMSA. Waste of time. I moved to oral DMSA and saw OK

progress, but got the real progress when I combined DMSA with ALA. I have never

bothered with things like BioRay, PCA-Rx, OSR, zeolites or other things that

claim to chelate or clathrate. My son is moving his way off of the spectrum.

He, also, never tested *high* for mercury, lead or other heavy metals on hair,

urine, or blood tests.

Why does your DAN! not want to start chelation? Most claim we need to heal the

gut before chelating. That just isn't going to happen for the vast majority of

our kids, and wastes precious time. My guess is you feel the urgency yourself.

good luck with your decisions.

Pam

>

> Hi all,

> I've been doing biomedical for about a year, but haven't gotten to the heavy

detox stage yet, just cleaning up the gut (probiotics, enzymes) and supps like

Mb12, glutathione, CLO, epsom salt baths, curcumin, Nu thera etc..

> I was wondering if anyone could recommend a natural form of detox that is not

too risky or invasive to start out with and what have been your experiences with

it? My son is 4 and tested barely out of reference range for mercury (.0046

mcg). Arsenic and lead were also a bit high. Our Dan doesn't want to do

chelation yet for him, but we really want to do something this summer (when it

wont be affecting school) that can release those metals and toxins. Any

suggestions?

> Thanks!

> Shiri

>

[Guest guest]

Shiri,

From what I've seen, alot of kids have positively responded to the

Cutler methodology of chelation, which Pam just gave a brief

overview of. You can Google his methodology and read some of the books

he has written about the subject. Undertaking any form of treatment or

not undertaking it is a major decision and every parent needs to educate

him/herself as much as possible. Autism treatment is such new territory

that most members of the medical community are far behind the curve.

Even DANs can be very limited in how they plan treatment (My son's DAN

is completely clueless about chelation). Wish you the best in making the

best choices for your child. Feel free to email me if you have any

questions, but I'm pretty new to this myself.

thanks,

Pamela H wrote:

>

> How were your metal levels tested? Not all is accurate.

>

> As far as 'natural' chelation, all chelators are going to pull metals,

> stir up yeast, require dosing according to their half-life and will

> *all* carry consequences if not used properly (and, for some, if used

> at all).

>

> The least invasive and most productive is oral chelation. DMSA has

> been used for decades and decades to chelate lead and mercury safely

> when used appropriately. ALA is a potent antioxidant that is made by

> the body (and in small amounts in food) which also chelates mercury

> from the brain.

>

> I am not sure what you mean by 'natural'. My guess is you mean not a

> prescription. My best advice, then, would be alpha lipoic acid (ALA).

> It is widely available, inexpensive, crosses the blood-brain-barrier.

> You would need to have no silver (mercury) fillings or no recent

> mercury exposure to start. The safest way to administer would be low

> doses (1/4 per lb of weight per dose) given every 3-4 hours for 72

> hours. Then, take a minimum of a 72 hour break before doing it again.

>

> I started with TD-DMSA. Waste of time. I moved to oral DMSA and saw OK

> progress, but got the real progress when I combined DMSA with ALA. I

> have never bothered with things like BioRay, PCA-Rx, OSR, zeolites or

> other things that claim to chelate or clathrate. My son is moving his

> way off of the spectrum. He, also, never tested *high* for mercury,

> lead or other heavy metals on hair, urine, or blood tests.

>

> Why does your DAN! not want to start chelation? Most claim we need to

> heal the gut before chelating. That just isn't going to happen for the

> vast majority of our kids, and wastes precious time. My guess is you

> feel the urgency yourself.

>

> good luck with your decisions.

>

> Pam

>

>

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I've been doing biomedical for about a year, but haven't gotten to

> the heavy detox stage yet, just cleaning up the gut (probiotics,

> enzymes) and supps like Mb12, glutathione, CLO, epsom salt baths,

> curcumin, Nu thera etc..

> > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a natural form of detox

> that is not too risky or invasive to start out with and what have been

> your experiences with it? My son is 4 and tested barely out of

> reference range for mercury (.0046 mcg). Arsenic and lead were also a

> bit high. Our Dan doesn't want to do chelation yet for him, but we

> really want to do something this summer (when it wont be affecting

> school) that can release those metals and toxins. Any suggestions?

> > Thanks!

> > Shiri

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Thanks for the informative and comprehensive reply! My son tested for metals

through a blood test from Genova Diagnostics. This was done a year ago from

now,and at least a year AFTER we first began seeing symptoms of autism in DS, so

I imagine that if it was still in the blood it must have been higher in tissue?

What I meant by natural was not b/c of ease of getting over the counter. The

first Dan I went to was willing to do chelation but wanted to do an IV challenge

test, which, even from the little knowledge I have, I know is risky. What I

meant was a way of removing metals and toxins that is not a chemical. I don't

know enough about dmsa/dmps, but I would like to try things like detox through

juicing or antioxidants (like ALA) or other natural cleansing methods that I've

heard about like zeolites and such - although I know that they are controversal-

before I do chelators. But from what I'm reading ALA is even stronger than Dmps?

The Dan I'm seeing now is pretty conservative in his approach and won't do

chelation until he's tried everything else or in extreme cases. My son is

high-functioning and is responding well to the " milder " treatments like

enzymes,probiotics,clo,mb12,glutathione etc, so I think he wants to continue

with that and not " stir up the pot " and possibly kick up metals that have been

lying dormant for over 2 years. But my son is still has so many issues. He just

turned 4, and I'm beginning to feel like time is running out. If I don't do

chelation soon, it might be too late for him. I don't want to look back and

regret not doing everything I could.

Shiri

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I've been doing biomedical for about a year, but haven't gotten to the heavy

detox stage yet, just cleaning up the gut (probiotics, enzymes) and supps like

Mb12, glutathione, CLO, epsom salt baths, curcumin, Nu thera etc..

> > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a natural form of detox that is

not too risky or invasive to start out with and what have been your experiences

with it? My son is 4 and tested barely out of reference range for mercury (.0046

mcg). Arsenic and lead were also a bit high. Our Dan doesn't want to do

chelation yet for him, but we really want to do something this summer (when it

wont be affecting school) that can release those metals and toxins. Any

suggestions?

> > Thanks!

> > Shiri

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shiri,

I will respectfully disagree with your DAN! doctor's opinion on chelation.

Those metals that have been 'lying dormant' for 2 years are the problem. You

need to get that out.

Alpha Lipoic Acid is still a good choice. Starting now is great because you

don't have those full days of school to work around with chelation schedules. I

understand not wanting to rock the boat when you have a higher functioning

child, but proper chelation should not give you regressions.

Sorry you are dealing with this. I never like to see new people because I know

that means just another child has been affected. But, I'm glad you are here to

learn.

Pam

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > I've been doing biomedical for about a year, but haven't gotten to the

heavy detox stage yet, just cleaning up the gut (probiotics, enzymes) and supps

like Mb12, glutathione, CLO, epsom salt baths, curcumin, Nu thera etc..

> > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a natural form of detox that is

not too risky or invasive to start out with and what have been your experiences

with it? My son is 4 and tested barely out of reference range for mercury (.0046

mcg). Arsenic and lead were also a bit high. Our Dan doesn't want to do

chelation yet for him, but we really want to do something this summer (when it

wont be affecting school) that can release those metals and toxins. Any

suggestions?

> > > Thanks!

> > > Shiri

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I was wondering if anyone could recommend a natural form of detox that is not

too risky or invasive to start out with and what have been your experiences with

it?

I used ALA and it was wonderful here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Did you do DMSA first? Or ALA in conjunction with other chelators? How old was

your child when you did it?

Thanks!

Shiri

> > I was wondering if anyone could recommend a natural form of detox that is

not too risky or invasive to start out with and what have been your experiences

with it?

>

>

> I used ALA and it was wonderful here.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> Did you do DMSA first? Or ALA in conjunction with other chelators?

I did ALA alone.

>>How old was your child when you did it?

My kids were 2, 4, 5, and 7 when I started chelating them. I was in my 30s when

I chelated myself.

Dana