Re: Defiant and emotional after round 1 of ALA - yeast?

[Guest guest]

when my son took such low doses you'd think we were doing drugs in our

house. Open capsule and pour contents on counter. With ALA I've notices some

sticks in the capsule. I'd use a toothpick to scrape it all out. Use a

straight edge razor to make a nice square and flatten it so its all neat. Cut

the pile in half and push half a side. Use the razor to make the

rectangle you have left nice and neat and divide into 5 little piles. Repeat

for

the other half.

My husband, the police sergeant, always laughed when I did this. Normally

when you see someone cutting up a white powder with a razor you arrest them.

LOL

Kerrie

In a message dated 3/3/2010 3:29:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

lenakhais@... writes:

2. How do we divide 25 mg capsules (from Kirkmans) to be 2.5 mg... That is

10 doses in one capsule. Any tried and practical tricks?

[Guest guest]

Very common reaction for too much ALA.

12.5mg is WAY WAY too much to start off at 40lbs. That is an ADULT

starting dose.

Starting dose is 1/16-1/8mg/lb, and even some kids can't do that.

Reduce to 2.5mg. If everything is OK after 4 rounds, try increasing to

5mg. Stay there for a good long while.

lenakhais wrote:

>

> Good afternoon,

>

> we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at

> 12.5 mg Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok

> but today got reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting,

> crying, melting down - the worst they've seen...

>

> He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day... Which I know can do a

> number on a system as well. He did ok on it initially for a month, we

> increased the dose and had to go back after 2 weeks since he couldn't

> tollerate.

>

> Long story short - would you attribute his worsening to yeast? He is

> on Nystatin for awhile... so I think it has lost its power. He is

> taking biotin but I think he'll need GSE and charcoal...

>

> Another interesting change - he always fell asleep on his own. Since

> the day we started ALA - he does not let us leave the room until he is

> asleep. If we try he gets very anxious, almost to the point of a panic

> attack. Strange? Or have you seen anything like this with your kids as

> it relates to chelation?

>

> Sorry for what probably are basic questions but even after all the

> readings (for almost a year), somehow doing the first round brought up

> all the questions.

>

> Thank you

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's a large dose to start. Cut it in half and yes, make sure you have a

yeast protocol in place and try to increase.

Tammy

[ ] Defiant and emotional after round 1 of ALA - yeast?

Good afternoon,

we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at 12.5 mg

Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok but today got

reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting, crying, melting down - the

worst they've seen...

He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day... Which I know can do a number

on a system as well. He did ok on it initially for a month, we increased the

dose and had to go back after 2 weeks since he couldn't tollerate.

Long story short - would you attribute his worsening to yeast? He is on

Nystatin for awhile... so I think it has lost its power. He is taking biotin but

I think he'll need GSE and charcoal...

Another interesting change - he always fell asleep on his own. Since the day

we started ALA - he does not let us leave the room until he is asleep. If we try

he gets very anxious, almost to the point of a panic attack. Strange? Or have

you seen anything like this with your kids as it relates to chelation?

Sorry for what probably are basic questions but even after all the readings

(for almost a year), somehow doing the first round brought up all the questions.

Thank you

[Guest guest]

Very common reaction for too much ALA.

12.5mg is WAY WAY too much to start off at 40lbs. That is an ADULT starting

dose.

Starting dose is 1/16-1/8mg/lb, and even some kids can't do that.

Reduce to 2.5mg. If everything is OK after 4 rounds, try increasing to 5mg. Stay

there for a good long while.

>

> Good afternoon,

>

> we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at 12.5 mg

Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok but today got

reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting, crying, melting down - the

worst they've seen...

>

> He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day... Which I know can do a number

on a system as well. He did ok on it initially for a month, we increased the

dose and had to go back after 2 weeks since he couldn't tollerate.

>

> Long story short - would you attribute his worsening to yeast? He is on

Nystatin for awhile... so I think it has lost its power. He is taking biotin but

I think he'll need GSE and charcoal...

>

> Another interesting change - he always fell asleep on his own. Since the day

we started ALA - he does not let us leave the room until he is asleep. If we try

he gets very anxious, almost to the point of a panic attack. Strange? Or have

you seen anything like this with your kids as it relates to chelation?

>

> Sorry for what probably are basic questions but even after all the readings

(for almost a year), somehow doing the first round brought up all the questions.

>

> Thank you

>

[Guest guest]

Oh boy... 2 quick follow up questions:

1. Is it ok to do round 2 this weekend (technically starting on Friday) or

should we give him a longer break to adjust after such big dose?

2. How do we divide 25 mg capsules (from Kirkmans) to be 2.5 mg... That is 10

doses in one capsule. Any tried and practical tricks?

Thank you!

>

> Very common reaction for too much ALA.

>

> 12.5mg is WAY WAY too much to start off at 40lbs. That is an ADULT starting

dose.

>

> Starting dose is 1/16-1/8mg/lb, and even some kids can't do that.

>

> Reduce to 2.5mg. If everything is OK after 4 rounds, try increasing to 5mg.

Stay there for a good long while.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We are on round 4 of DMSA and got the same reactions and had to decrease down to

2.5 mg and it is much better now. One thing you might want to check on though

is taking Enhansa and ALA at the same time. Our doctor advised us that it would

not be a good idea to stess the body that much.

A couple other things that we added in to help the yeast while on chelation was

aloe vera juice for the yeast and epsom salt baths at night. It made quite a

difference in the yeast from round 1 to round 4 with just those additions.

Sandy

> >

> > Very common reaction for too much ALA.

> >

> > 12.5mg is WAY WAY too much to start off at 40lbs. That is an ADULT starting

dose.

> >

> > Starting dose is 1/16-1/8mg/lb, and even some kids can't do that.

> >

> > Reduce to 2.5mg. If everything is OK after 4 rounds, try increasing to 5mg.

Stay there for a good long while.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Very common reaction for too much ALA.

> >

> > 12.5mg is WAY WAY too much to start off at 40lbs. That is an ADULT starting

dose.

> >

> > Starting dose is 1/16-1/8mg/lb, and even some kids can't do that.

> >

> > Reduce to 2.5mg. If everything is OK after 4 rounds, try increasing to 5mg.

Stay there for a good long while.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

I was wondering about Enhansa and ALA together but our doctor thought it was

ok... I might have to just take him off Enhansa all together on my own. We do

epsom salt baths but I have never tried aloe vera...

I also noticed you're doing DMSA. Just alone or with ALA? I read that doing them

together increases mercury excretion by up to 30%... but any downsides to using

them together?

Thank you

>

> We are on round 4 of DMSA and got the same reactions and had to decrease down

to 2.5 mg and it is much better now. One thing you might want to check on

though is taking Enhansa and ALA at the same time. Our doctor advised us that

it would not be a good idea to stess the body that much.

>

> A couple other things that we added in to help the yeast while on chelation

was aloe vera juice for the yeast and epsom salt baths at night. It made quite

a difference in the yeast from round 1 to round 4 with just those additions.

>

> Sandy

>

>

[Guest guest]

ratlenhum@... wrote:

>

> when my son took such low doses you'd think we were doing drugs in our

> house. Open capsule and pour contents on counter.

>

A piece of paper or glass makes it more hygienic.

> With ALA I've notices some

> sticks in the capsule. I'd use a toothpick to scrape it all out. Use a

> straight edge razor to make a nice square and flatten it so its all

> neat. Cut

> the pile in half and push half a side. Use the razor to make the

> rectangle you have left nice and neat and divide into 5 little piles.

> Repeat for

> the other half.

>

Don't forget to wipe the paper with your finger and scrub it onto your

gums!

But seriously, the milligram scale is much simpler. And then at least

you'll look like a _pro_ drug dealer.

> My husband, the police sergeant, always laughed when I did this. Normally

> when you see someone cutting up a white powder with a razor you arrest

> them.

> LOL

>

> Kerrie

>

>

> In a message dated 3/3/2010 3:29:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> lenakhais@... <mailto:lenakhais%40> writes:

>

> 2. How do we divide 25 mg capsules (from Kirkmans) to be 2.5 mg...

> That is

> 10 doses in one capsule. Any tried and practical tricks?

>

>

[Guest guest]

We plan to do ALA eventually but he is more lead toxic right now. He actually

shows 0% toxic for mercury on the last blood test we took so we know we need to

get the lead out first then work on the mercury. It's a long process.

In regards to the Enhansa, I'll ask my doctor again on Monday about it. We

actually don't use Enhansa per se, we use Metalloclear which is has the same

ingredient of Curcumin in it. It's weird actually because we have been on

Metalloclear for 12 months and recently stopped to do chelation, when we took a

3 week break on chelation Schedule changes and weekend trips, I went back to the

Metalloclear and he broke out in a huge rash. My assumption is that the

chelation is stirring up the viruses somehow because he never got that reaction

before.

Sandy

> >

> > We are on round 4 of DMSA and got the same reactions and had to decrease

down to 2.5 mg and it is much better now. One thing you might want to check on

though is taking Enhansa and ALA at the same time. Our doctor advised us that

it would not be a good idea to stess the body that much.

> >

> > A couple other things that we added in to help the yeast while on chelation

was aloe vera juice for the yeast and epsom salt baths at night. It made quite

a difference in the yeast from round 1 to round 4 with just those additions.

> >

> > Sandy

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandy

A blood test is not a reliable indicator for mercury, often a mercury toxic

person will have quite low levels on a blood test, a DDI hair elements test

applying counting rules is likely to be more indicative.

Kenny

> > >

> > > We are on round 4 of DMSA and got the same reactions and had to decrease

down to 2.5 mg and it is much better now. One thing you might want to check on

though is taking Enhansa and ALA at the same time. Our doctor advised us that

it would not be a good idea to stess the body that much.

> > >

> > > A couple other things that we added in to help the yeast while on

chelation was aloe vera juice for the yeast and epsom salt baths at night. It

made quite a difference in the yeast from round 1 to round 4 with just those

additions.

> > >

> > > Sandy

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at 12.5 mg

Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok but today got

reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting, crying, melting down - the

worst they've seen...

Try increasing the yeast protocol.

> He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day...

This can also increase yeast, especially in kids with viruses.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Wow, like the others have said, that is a very large dose of ALA. My 36 pound 4

year old can't even handle a full 1 mg yet! He gets those same symptoms on it

when we don't use the DMSA with it, which helps lessen the side effects. We are

at round 20 and are still at VERY low doses of each, it's all based on what we

see that he can handle.

>

> Good afternoon,

>

> we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at 12.5 mg

Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok but today got

reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting, crying, melting down - the

worst they've seen...

>

> He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day... Which I know can do a number

on a system as well. He did ok on it initially for a month, we increased the

dose and had to go back after 2 weeks since he couldn't tollerate.

>

> Long story short - would you attribute his worsening to yeast? He is on

Nystatin for awhile... so I think it has lost its power. He is taking biotin but

I think he'll need GSE and charcoal...

>

> Another interesting change - he always fell asleep on his own. Since the day

we started ALA - he does not let us leave the room until he is asleep. If we try

he gets very anxious, almost to the point of a panic attack. Strange? Or have

you seen anything like this with your kids as it relates to chelation?

>

> Sorry for what probably are basic questions but even after all the readings

(for almost a year), somehow doing the first round brought up all the questions.

>

> Thank you

>

[Guest guest]

Im seeing something similar in my son this week (very emotional and

confrontational). We've been doing ALA/DMPS for a while (1.5 mg ALA, 5 mg DMPS,

for 50 lbs)and other than some minor yeast issues and mild night sweats, he's

done really well. Lots of gains in social areas, why questions coming non-stop,

picking up lots of skills at school. We havent increased the DMPS dosage and

added ALA at round 15 (just finished round 25).

Hoping its just a bad week. Not seeing typical signs of yeast or bacteria.

Karla

> >

> > Good afternoon,

> >

> > we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at 12.5

mg Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok but today got

reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting, crying, melting down - the

worst they've seen...

> >

> > He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day... Which I know can do a number

on a system as well. He did ok on it initially for a month, we increased the

dose and had to go back after 2 weeks since he couldn't tollerate.

> >

> > Long story short - would you attribute his worsening to yeast? He is on

Nystatin for awhile... so I think it has lost its power. He is taking biotin but

I think he'll need GSE and charcoal...

> >

> > Another interesting change - he always fell asleep on his own. Since the day

we started ALA - he does not let us leave the room until he is asleep. If we try

he gets very anxious, almost to the point of a panic attack. Strange? Or have

you seen anything like this with your kids as it relates to chelation?

> >

> > Sorry for what probably are basic questions but even after all the readings

(for almost a year), somehow doing the first round brought up all the questions.

> >

> > Thank you

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Let's hope! For us all the defiant behavior started AFTER the round... so I am

thinking a redistribution effect after too big of a dose... We will start

another round today (round #2) and do like 2.5 mg of ALA only and see... Keeping

you all in my thoughts - please do likewise )

Lena

> > >

> > > Good afternoon,

> > >

> > > we just completed our 1st round of ALA chelation (4 year old 40 lbs at

12.5 mg Friday - Monday morning). Monday and Tuesday seemed to be ok but today

got reports from daycare that he is pushing, hitting, crying, melting down - the

worst they've seen...

> > >

> > > He is also on 75 mg of Enhansa twice per day... Which I know can do a

number on a system as well. He did ok on it initially for a month, we increased

the dose and had to go back after 2 weeks since he couldn't tollerate.

> > >

> > > Long story short - would you attribute his worsening to yeast? He is on

Nystatin for awhile... so I think it has lost its power. He is taking biotin but

I think he'll need GSE and charcoal...

> > >

> > > Another interesting change - he always fell asleep on his own. Since the

day we started ALA - he does not let us leave the room until he is asleep. If we

try he gets very anxious, almost to the point of a panic attack. Strange? Or

have you seen anything like this with your kids as it relates to chelation?

> > >

> > > Sorry for what probably are basic questions but even after all the

readings (for almost a year), somehow doing the first round brought up all the

questions.

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > >

> >

>