Hair testing

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Hi,

>Mineral Screen (hair sample, measures 11

>minerals and 9 toxic substances);

Just wanted to caution that, especially for those who use hair coloring,

hair tests can show up false positive for heavy metals. (I think its Grecian

Formula that is lead-based but not sure)

If you do get a positive on hair testing, you should have a blood test to

confirm.

Jerry

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Thanks Moria for the information about Body Balance. I think I am also going

to have a few more test done by Great Smokies Lab. I think they have a

mineral ratio test that I had done a long time ago and it showed how I was

not balanced with some minerals. I also had from another lab that I can't

remember, but anyway it was a saliva test to test for my intracellular

magnesium and sure enough it came back low. My blood would always come back

normal, which I am not suprised of since I did read the only way that a blood

test would show below normal magnesium is if you are extremely deficient in

it. I know that I am having a lot of symptoms of low magnesium and my doctor

had giving me a liquid prescription because he thought that was causing a lot

of my problems. I did not stay on it, one reason was because it was to sweet

and I am trying not to put a lot of sugar in me, which is another

story......Tonya

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Go with doctors data, they are the most reliable

www.doctorsdata.com \

Kathy

[ ] Hair testing

> Has anyone in the group had their hair tested to see what nutrients are

> lacking in their system? I have an address for a company that does this

but

> I don't want to do it unless this process has a history of being helpful.

>

> Thanks for any help.

>

> Phyllis

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Phyllis,

I had my hair folicles tested once by an alternative medicine-type doctor.

It was some time ago. I don't even recall now why I sought it out.

However, I know it didn't have anything to do with my being epileptic.

Having my hair folicles tested did not do a thing for me. The results

came back and everything was fine. So, I was given a good bill of

health - even though I was taking medication to control gran mal seizures

at the time.

If you are trying to bring your seizures under control and/or improve

your quality of life, I think you need to look at more than just what nutrients

are lacking in your hair. For example, do you know what triggers

your seizures? Do you know what options are available to you to solve

the problems you specifically face concerning the disorder? When

was the last time you looked at your own medical records? I think

things like that are a lot more important than what nutrients are laking

in your hair folicles. That's my opinion, anyway.

Lamar

Red91tbird@... wrote:

Has anyone in the group had their hair

tested to see what nutrients are

lacking in their system? I have an address for a company

that does this but

I don't want to do it unless this process has a history of being

helpful.

Thanks for any help.

Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Adrienne,

That is true for some minerals and not for others. Doctors Data is the

best lab for hair testing as they created the procedure and have been

doing it since 1969.

Ca, Mg, Zn, Cu, Na, K, S, Mn, Fe, Se & P are the most reliable minerals

on hair analysis, while the least accurate minerals are Al, Be, Bi, Pt,

Th, Tl, U, Ag, Sn, Ti, V, B, I, Ge, Rb, & Zr.

Regards, Blake

Adrienne wrote:

> I have heard that hair tests cannot be replicated and are therefore

> not valid. By replicated I mean take the SAME bit of hair, test it

> multiple times by same or different testers and get different results

> each time. Therefore it doesn't test anything.

> Anyone know that this is not true?

> Adriienne

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some do hair diane...i did %CDT got vindicated by that test... anything ripe sour or vinegary like really ripe fruit or bread that is sour would have more etoh...fresh pizza,bread,fruit no problemo for me...regards,rdoetta5555 <doetta5555@...> wrote: Has anyone ever paid for hair testing to prove you didn't drink even though you had low level etg's?Are we allowed to eat fruit? even if it's on the ripe side? What about bread? I think someone said to stay away from

sourdough. Can we eat pizza? I am so confused. Thanks DianeWhat are you supposed to say about a relapse, if you didn't relapse? Maybe I'm just too blonde (just kidding) but I need some help here.Thanks, Diane

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What will they dictate next? Maybe an in-house (ours) monitor? From: "saclorie@..." <saclorie@...>Ethylglucuronide Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 9:23:55 PMSubject: Re: Hair testing

Here in the (broke) Golden State, it was recently announced that my board has approved "random" hair testing. This on top of 3 times a month random urines. Nobody knows who or when we might be selected. I suspect it would be "for cause" but I have also heard of folks tested one final time before transition is completed and you get your walking papers from this program. Have to wait and see! Expensive at $250 a test (from what I hear) and it seems to me, completely unnecessary. But the labs have sold it to our boards, just like that fabulous EtG test was some 6 years ago now!

Hair testing

so i've heard hair testing is going to start soon. even if one is already on contract, hair testing will probably be done @ the end of the "agreement" in order to be released. anyone else heard of that too????

[Guest guest]

You can order it online through directlabs.com

They will give you a discount if you mention this group.

Crystal wrote:

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> Do I need a doctor to do the hair test or can I bypass this another way?

>

> “Serendipity. Look for something, find something else, and realize

> that what you've found is more suited to your needs than what you

> thought you were looking for.â€

>

> " Never deny a diagnosis, but do deny the negative verdict that may go

> with it "

>

>

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EtG does NOT reflect only alcohol consumption! If that were the case this group would not exist. It has been clinically proven that alcohol based hand gel causes positive EtG's, and I know for a fact that certain individuals produce EtG without consuming alcohol in any form, (myself included.) So if you trust any test to be accurate 100% of the time you are deceiving yourself. No one is safe as long as any test is used as the sole indicator of relapse without consideration of behaviors and other objective data reflecting relapse. Hair Testing

Hi...the hair strands are always washed before being tested. The ETG is a metabolite of alcohol consumption so it wouldn't be in the hair unless it went through metaboism first. Any external alcohol wouldn't affect the result.

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Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL

application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it

wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED

alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from

substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the

alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.

[Guest guest]

There is a well validiated case of an individual in a locked down inpatient facility whose only access to any alcohol based product was hand gel, and the result was a positive EtG. ly this entire conversation is non productive because it appears that you continue to have the false belief that EtG is scientifically reliable, and that is simply not the case. A Swiss study over 2 years ago used several hundred urine samples and tested them for EtG upon arrival, those that were negative were then stored in the lab under normal lab conditions and retested at various intervals. Several became positive for EtG after sitting in the lab! This proves that in the presence of certain elements EtG can be produced without the presence of ETOH in any form, and even outside of the contributor's body! That having been said I am well aware that if an individual does actually drink alcohol, they will test positive for EtG. However, it is completely unacceptable to continue to use this test for that reason alone. It is akin to the philosophy that we kill everyone on death row and if a few

innocent people are put to death, oh well. It is simply not how our system should work. At least death row inmates get a plethora of appeals at the taxpayer's expense. We have to pay fines, attorneys, and additional drug testing charges and get absolutely nowhere. Re: Hair Testing

Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.

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Liz,

I believe her original response was to my question regarding the effect on a hair test of alcohol applied to the hair in the form of hair spray. She answered it by stating that it would not cause a positive EtG in that the alcohol which dries on the hair is washed off before testing PLUS it would never pass through the liver to form EtG. She put my mind at ease with regard to that.

Personally, I will continue to take Septra and Diflucan since I believe that is why I stopped having positives. THAT is an entirely different discussion.

Lorie

Re: Hair Testing

Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.

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Thank you for that...I was having a difficult time trying to figure out how else to get my point across!

From: saclorie@... <saclorie@...>Subject: Re: Hair TestingEthylglucuronide Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 12:30 PM

Liz,

I believe her original response was to my question regarding the effect on a hair test of alcohol applied to the hair in the form of hair spray. She answered it by stating that it would not cause a positive EtG in that the alcohol which dries on the hair is washed off before testing PLUS it would never pass through the liver to form EtG. She put my mind at ease with regard to that.

Personally, I will continue to take Septra and Diflucan since I believe that is why I stopped having positives. THAT is an entirely different discussion.

Lorie

Re: Hair Testing

Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.

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I would like the reference on the Swiss study since it supports the Swedish E. coli study by Anders Helander I am very pleased that so many peaple are using sepra and diflucan. The original theory was mine I am proud to say. Dr. Dan

Re: Hair Testing

Ethylglucuronide

Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 12:30 PM

Liz,

I believe her original response was to my question regarding the effect on a hair test of alcohol applied to the hair in the form of hair spray. She answered it by stating that it would not cause a positive EtG in that the alcohol which dries on the hair is washed off before testing PLUS it would never pass through the liver to form EtG. She put my mind at ease with regard to that.

Personally, I will continue to take Septra and Diflucan since I believe that is why I stopped having positives. THAT is an entirely different discussion.

Lorie

Re: Hair Testing

Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.

[Guest guest]

I run a Suboxone clinic now and I cannot order any hair testing. There has been multiple sucessful lawsuits regarding the collection process and the lab people require alot of training. Most labs are not going to make this investment only to be sued. Dr. Dan

Re: Hair Testing

Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.

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[Guest guest]

Not sure of a Swiss study, but here are a few interesting reads:

http://etg.weebly.com/uploads/7/4/7/5/74751/ethgelpaperjam.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19464830

> > > From: saclorie@... saclorie@...> Subject: Re: Hair Testing> Ethylglucuronide > Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 12:30 PM> > > > > Liz,> I believe her original response was to my question regarding the effect on a hair test of alcohol applied to the hair in the form of hair spray. She answered it by stating that it would not cause a positive EtG in that the alcohol which dries on the hair is washed off before testing PLUS it would never pass through the liver to form EtG. She put my mind at ease with regard to that. > > Personally, I will continue to take Septra and Diflucan since I believe that is why I stopped having positives. THAT is an entirely different discussion.> Lorie> > > > Re: Hair Testing> > > > Woh, wait a minute. If you read my post you will see that I stated the EXTERNAL application of alcohol-based products would not result in a + ETG because it wouldn't have gone through the body's glucuronidation process. Yes, INHALED alcohol products (as in the many victims I know who popped positives from substances other than the alcohol you imbibe) will result in a +ETG because the alcohol enters your blood stream via the lungs and then becomes metabolized.>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I live in New York. I'd like to start myself and my 25 yo. son on the ac

protocol. Before we start, I want to have a 'before' hair test for both of us.

Does anyone know how/where we can get these, hopefully without needing a

doctor's prescription?

Thanks! a H.

[Guest guest]

Here is the link to Direct Labs page listing available tests from

Doctor's Data:

https://www. directlabs. com/Tests/ tabid/55/ Default.aspx

You'll want to scroll down and select the HAIR ELEMENTS TEST

Mention this list and get a discount. I think the code is AUT, otherwise call

them.

TJ

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From: phashmall <PHashmall@...>

Sent: Sat, September 4, 2010 8:07:02 AM

Subject: [ ] Hair testing

Hi,

I live in New York. I'd like to start myself and my 25 yo. son on the ac

protocol. Before we start, I want to have a 'before' hair test for both of us.

Does anyone know how/where we can get these, hopefully without needing a

doctor's prescription?

Thanks! a H.