Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 , Pick a search engine like altavista and enter these questions into it. You will answer them yourself. jim Luiz Moreira wrote: > Then what does DMSA stands for ? -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry " I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself. " -- D. H. Lawrence amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 1999 Report Share Posted June 9, 1999 Luiz Moreira wrote: > It is just that I could not believe in my eyes when I saw DMSA being a > toxic substance for chelation while DMSO being totally safe. > Are you or somebody else suggesting anyone to do chelation using toxic > substances ?/ , You were the one who brought it up. Aggressive chelation therapy has always had risks. From what I know of it, it should be done by a doctor. There is nothing new about the skillful use of toxic substances by doctors. jim -- jim@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry " I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself. " -- D. H. Lawrence amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Hi Donna and Group- Thanks so much for your detailed posting on this. I have been awaiting your reply knowing that you have been through a lot on the chelation issue. I consulted with a Chelation doc not too long ago who said that there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't chelate with 5 remaining amalgams still in my mouth. Yeah, right! Maybe ok for others but I would of course, be the one who gets hammered. No thanks. I left there and brought the Doctors Data test kit with me to my natural healer. Her energy testing said that my kidneys would not be able to even the one 500 mg cap of DMSA to do the 6 hour challenge. This kinda backed up what my previous detox panel said too. I saw my enviro doc today and requested an RX to redo the GDSL Comp Detox Panel. My thinking is that after the amalgams are removed, I want to be as educated as possible on what my body can handle. My enviro doc informs me that the state I live in has now disallowed Comprehensive Detox Panels. It's not enough that they are trying to shut down all the out-of-the-box- thinking docs (including Dr Corsello) but they continue to railroad us as healthcare consumers by limiting the tests that we can have done here. So, unless I do some expensive and behind the scene things, I have no way to measure if my body will be able to handle any type of truly agressive detox such as chelation. Perhaps someone knows of other liver and kidney function tests that I can do through a local lab???? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Pruitt Hi Sue, I was nearly done answering your questions when this lovely machine froze up and I had to reboot - losing my entire reply. So here I go again. I took DMSA immediately after my amalgams were removed, on the advice of my doctor. My mercury levels were very high via DMPS 24 hour urine challenge (the standard for that period of time), but he preferred DMSA. I agreed w/o researching the subject, trusting what he said. That dose was the standard dosing schedule being used at the time (late 1998). I don't remember if I had problems immediately, but I suspect if I did, I did not pick up on them. By the 4th dose I was living in a world of blackness, and that is all I remember of that period, except severe right upper quadrant (liver area) abdominal pains. My doc told me to get a surgical consult to make sure there wasn't a surgical issue going on, and that was negative. The surgeon, since he couldn't find a reason for my pain, wrote in his progress that I needed psychological counseling more than anything else. My hatred for the medical profession was probably sealed then. I got no benefit from it. I got very severe CFIDS when prior to the DMSA my CFIDS was tolerable. Not able to work, but ale to take care of the house... Dr. Cheney did a GSDL Liver Detox Panel which revealed the SOD. What they couldn't determine was whether it was acquired (from the DMSA), or genetic, or a combo of both. The Genovations test I did last fall showed that I have one gene for this defect. Cheney surmises my genetic susceptibility was brought to full expression by the DMSA, as the only indication if problems prior to that was migraines induced by red wine. I'd do the Liver Detox Panel. An ordinary panel can't tell you about SOD's, or an inability to detox substances properly. Sorry so late in replying. Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Dear Donna, You wrote, " ...I took DMSA - 4 doses of 500 mg each, once a week for 4 weeks and landed in a lifetime of hell. " That's a strong statement! Why did you decide to take DMSA? Why that particular dose? Did you have problems right away, after your first dose? Did you get any benefit at all from it? How did you learn that you have a sulfite oxidase deficiency? Would an ordinary liver panel be enough to ensure that the liver is " okay? " Sue B. upstate NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Hi Sue, I was nearly done answering your questions when this lovely machine froze up and I had to reboot - losing my entire reply. So here I go again. I took DMSA immediately after my amalgams were removed, on the advice of my doctor. My mercury levels were very high via DMPS 24 hour urine challenge (the standard for that period of time), but he preferred DMSA. I agreed w/o researching the subject, trusting what he said. That dose was the standard dosing schedule being used at the time (late 1998). I don't remember if I had problems immediately, but I suspect if I did, I did not pick up on them. By the 4th dose I was living in a world of blackness, and that is all I remember of that period, except severe right upper quadrant (liver area) abdominal pains. My doc told me to get a surgical consult to make sure there wasn't a surgical issue going on, and that was negative. The surgeon, since he couldn't find a reason for my pain, wrote in his progress that I needed psychological counseling more than anything else. My hatred for the medical profession was probably sealed then. I got no benefit from it. I got very severe CFIDS when prior to the DMSA my CFIDS was tolerable. Not able to work, but ale to take care of the house... Dr. Cheney did a GSDL Liver Detox Panel which revealed the SOD. What they couldn't determine was whether it was acquired (from the DMSA), or genetic, or a combo of both. The Genovations test I did last fall showed that I have one gene for this defect. Cheney surmises my genetic susceptibility was brought to full expression by the DMSA, as the only indication if problems prior to that was migraines induced by red wine. I'd do the Liver Detox Panel. An ordinary panel can't tell you about SOD's, or an inability to detox substances properly. Sorry so late in replying. Donna in NC Re: DMSA > Dear Donna, > > You wrote, " ...I took DMSA - 4 doses of 500 mg each, once a week for 4 > weeks and landed in a lifetime of hell. " That's a strong statement! > > Why did you decide to take DMSA? > Why that particular dose? > Did you have problems right away, after your first dose? > Did you get any benefit at all from it? > How did you learn that you have a sulfite oxidase deficiency? > Would an ordinary liver panel be enough to ensure that the liver is " okay? " > > Sue B. > upstate NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Hi Kathy...one of the advantages we docs in Canada have is the ability to order tests for patients in the US..through our connection in Vancouver..who send the kit to you and have it sent to GSDL and the results are sent back to us..and we fax results to you... I am so in favour of " dodging " the rules...people should have access to whatever test they need. Cheers, Deb Healing is done in layers Patience is the Prescription Visit me at my web site: http://www.y2khealthanddetox.com E-Mail drdeb@... Re: Re: DMSA Hi Donna and Group- Thanks so much for your detailed posting on this. I have been awaiting your reply knowing that you have been through a lot on the chelation issue. I consulted with a Chelation doc not too long ago who said that there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't chelate with 5 remaining amalgams still in my mouth. Yeah, right! Maybe ok for others but I would of course, be the one who gets hammered. No thanks. I left there and brought the Doctors Data test kit with me to my natural healer. Her energy testing said that my kidneys would not be able to even the one 500 mg cap of DMSA to do the 6 hour challenge. This kinda backed up what my previous detox panel said too. I saw my enviro doc today and requested an RX to redo the GDSL Comp Detox Panel. My thinking is that after the amalgams are removed, I want to be as educated as possible on what my body can handle. My enviro doc informs me that the state I live in has now disallowed Comprehensive Detox Panels. It's not enough that they are trying to shut down all the out-of-the-box- thinking docs (including Dr Corsello) but they continue to railroad us as healthcare consumers by limiting the tests that we can have done here. So, unless I do some expensive and behind the scene things, I have no way to measure if my body will be able to handle any type of truly agressive detox such as chelation. Perhaps someone knows of other liver and kidney function tests that I can do through a local lab???? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Pruitt Hi Sue, I was nearly done answering your questions when this lovely machine froze up and I had to reboot - losing my entire reply. So here I go again. I took DMSA immediately after my amalgams were removed, on the advice of my doctor. My mercury levels were very high via DMPS 24 hour urine challenge (the standard for that period of time), but he preferred DMSA. I agreed w/o researching the subject, trusting what he said. That dose was the standard dosing schedule being used at the time (late 1998). I don't remember if I had problems immediately, but I suspect if I did, I did not pick up on them. By the 4th dose I was living in a world of blackness, and that is all I remember of that period, except severe right upper quadrant (liver area) abdominal pains. My doc told me to get a surgical consult to make sure there wasn't a surgical issue going on, and that was negative. The surgeon, since he couldn't find a reason for my pain, wrote in his progress that I needed psychological counseling more than anything else. My hatred for the medical profession was probably sealed then. I got no benefit from it. I got very severe CFIDS when prior to the DMSA my CFIDS was tolerable. Not able to work, but ale to take care of the house... Dr. Cheney did a GSDL Liver Detox Panel which revealed the SOD. What they couldn't determine was whether it was acquired (from the DMSA), or genetic, or a combo of both. The Genovations test I did last fall showed that I have one gene for this defect. Cheney surmises my genetic susceptibility was brought to full expression by the DMSA, as the only indication if problems prior to that was migraines induced by red wine. I'd do the Liver Detox Panel. An ordinary panel can't tell you about SOD's, or an inability to detox substances properly. Sorry so late in replying. Donna in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 Pascalite Clay and Foot pads are two ways to get them out. I've bought pads at www.bodypurenow.com He's a Naturopath that does research on the pads as well as sell them. He also offers to test the pads after you've used them. http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=350 http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=294 > I have recently had a positive test for Borrelia bacteria and > prescribed Cats Claw for this. For this to be effective I have to get > rid of heavy metals first. > > Does anyone know anything about the provocation urine testing with > DMSA (Kelmer agent) ? > > Is there a good web site that is good for advice about heavy metals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 - This web site dentalcleanse addresses the issue of metals in your mouth. > > Is there a good web site that is good for advice about heavy metals? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 >i know this is not exactly the topic of this forum, >but I remember hearing some negative comments about >DMSA. Could you explain why you think it is not good >to go thru it? It really seems to depend on the person. If one is relatively healthy, DMSA can be helpful in pulling mercury out the body. However, if one is pretty sick and they are having a hard time detoxifying (poor liver functioning), then DMSA can make one far worse than they were to start with, mobilizing heavy metals into the brain. After reading about the potential problems with DMSA, I decided that in my case it would be too dangerous to try. (I've had negative reactions to numerous things which aren't supposed to be dangerous at all!) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 I just started taking DMSA. I take cilantro drops (15 to 30) before/after DMSA tablets. The cilantro binds with free mercury and carries it out safely. It seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating the heavy side reactions when the mercury is loose from detox. I did the same during amalgam filling replacements, taking cilantro drops before/after, reducing my symptoms. Glenn ----Original Message Follows---- From: Marc <marc@...> Reply- Subject: Re: DMSA Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:54:55 -0700 >i know this is not exactly the topic of this forum, >but I remember hearing some negative comments about >DMSA. Could you explain why you think it is not good >to go thru it? It really seems to depend on the person. If one is relatively healthy, DMSA can be helpful in pulling mercury out the body. However, if one is pretty sick and they are having a hard time detoxifying (poor liver functioning), then DMSA can make one far worse than they were to start with, mobilizing heavy metals into the brain. After reading about the potential problems with DMSA, I decided that in my case it would be too dangerous to try. (I've had negative reactions to numerous things which aren't supposed to be dangerous at all!) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 In a message dated 07/06/2005 04:22:39 GMT Daylight Time, weinert@... writes: He doesn't really go into the consequences in his protocoldescription. Even the DAN! protocol says every 8 hours: >>>>The consequence is possible/probable redistribution of metals due to ping poing levels of chelator in the blood. Half life of DMSAin blood is 4 hours. I never treid 8 hourly, too chicken BTW the orginal DAN studies were done on DMSA 4 hourly (the one by Amy Holmes) as it was Andy that taught her about chelation. After the first DAN think tank they decided it "parenst wouldn't WANT to get up at night" and arbitrarily changed the dosing schedule to 8 hourly. Andy C has been knocking DAN since then for not applying basic biochemical priniciples to the dosing. Andy does chelate his girlfriends ASD son, he knows what its like to get up MAndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 > Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am > one tab in the pm? > > From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous? From Andy Cutler's protocol: " DMSA must be given no less often than every 4 hours " http://f3.grp.fs.com/v1/sA2lQsEqu9cPctRCw7LIScAfScrwtKueb-tAf7ph6M_Bw2n6aCi\ rSH5jC4T2hjCifY2V8ut55IY_WyWHzQ0xvkA1mSE5lg/Andy_protocol He doesn't really go into the consequences in his protocol description. Even the DAN! protocol says every 8 hours: http://www.eas.asu.edu/~autism/DANConsensusReport.htm It does sound dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 In a message dated 07/06/2005 16:24:48 GMT Daylight Time, weinert@... writes: The one thing I'm not certain about is if it's ok to use a longer than4 hour DMSA chelation dosing schedule if the person is sure thatmercury is not an issue. (How they'd be sure I don't know.) I thinkthe lead chelation protocol might have a longer interval. >>>I wouldn't risk it, same applies to Lead, the chelator doesn;t know whats its being taken for - it just does what it does as Andy says LOL Mandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 The one thing I'm not certain about is if it's ok to use a longer than 4 hour DMSA chelation dosing schedule if the person is sure that mercury is not an issue. (How they'd be sure I don't know.) I think the lead chelation protocol might have a longer interval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Catching up on 300 emails, This is a bit hazy, but as I recall: The original testing of the product and dosages for lead was done on an eight hour protocol. The 4 hour protocol is recommended because of the likely differences with removing mercury and also because it enabled a lower, more frequent dosage which nullified to a degree the emotional and physical peak & trough effect. I can dig up more info if anyone's desperately interested. >From: Mum231ASD@... >Reply-Desperate4DMPSEurope >Desperate4DMPSEurope >Subject: Re: Re: DMSA >Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:23:37 EDT > > >In a message dated 07/06/2005 16:24:48 GMT Daylight Time, >weinert@... writes: > >The one thing I'm not certain about is if it's ok to use a longer than >4 hour DMSA chelation dosing schedule if the person is sure that >mercury is not an issue. (How they'd be sure I don't know.) I think >the lead chelation protocol might have a longer interval. > > > > >>>I wouldn't risk it, same applies to Lead, the chelator doesn;t know >whats >its being taken for - it just does what it does as Andy says LOL > >Mandi _________________________________________________________________ Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes: Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am one tab in the pm?From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous? >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it............... MAndi in Dorset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 In a message dated 12/06/2005 09:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, c0ff33man@... writes: But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. Bernard >>>I think the Nutrilink practitioners are good with nutrition but chelation needs to be done a certain way not to be very dangerous and dosing DMSA with gaps bigger than 4 hours has the potential to be dangerous and strikes me a svery bizzare. What dose are you doing? Mandi in Uk (old timer to chelation) Lots of info at this link http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 In a message dated 12/06/2005 09:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, c0ff33man@... writes: But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. Bernard >>>>What is this product? Whats in it? Did he tell you this was a chelator? OK I found it now, twice of day of this is just fine and dandy i think. twice per day of DMSA isn;t Mandi in Dorset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. BernardMum231ASD@... wrote: In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes: Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am one tab in the pm?From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous? >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it............... MAndi in Dorset Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Bernard, unless I'm greatly mistaken, porphyrins (Porphyra-Zyme) has nothing to do with DMSA. It may have a completely different half-life or action in the body. Does this help? Abigail Re: DMSA But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. BernardMum231ASD@... wrote: In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes: Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am one tab in the pm?From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous? >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it............... MAndi in Dorset Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 -Sorry to add to this but Porphyra Zyme has no proven efficassy in vivo; it is a concentrate of spinach (cheaper to give spinach) that cannot possibly be working in vivo to remove heavy metals, as it does not have such strong affinity to displace metals only (it was only found to bind to metals in vitro, that is loss metals in a test tube). People who are not medical practioners tend to say wrong facts about chelation, because they can not supervise this treatment. Alternative treatments proposed can be of doubtful honesty. Lorene -- In Desperate4DMPSEurope , " Abigail Floe " <acfloe@b...> wrote: > Bernard, unless I'm greatly mistaken, porphyrins (Porphyra-Zyme) has nothing to do with DMSA. It may have a completely different half-life or action in the body. Does this help? > Abigail > Re: DMSA > > > But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. Bernard > > Mum231ASD@a... wrote: > In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@j... writes: > Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am > one tab in the pm? > > From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous? > > >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it............... > > MAndi in Dorset > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Bernard I am dearly hoping you are the Bernard as in Bernard and that I have recently been corresponding with. If so, I am SO glad that you have found this place! I am not sure what Dr M Ash is giving you is a " chelator " (although I believe he has suggested it is). All I am sure of is that there are VERY MANY people here who can help you. I wish you and your child well Jacqui > > In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, > jacqui@j... writes: > > Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in > the am > > one tab in the pm? > > > > From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially > dangerous? > > > > >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it............... > > > > MAndi in Dorset > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide > with voicemail > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Hi all, I think I need to have a long talk with some of you guys re our way forward...but one key thing about using porphyra-zyme. We stopped it last monday 6th due to toms hyper-sensory behaviuor. On wed 8th he had to be brought home from swimming as attacking his carers. On thursday he started to calm down but had a meltdown. By saturday he was the best he has been for ages and on sunday, so relaxed and calm-I've never(NEVER) been able to cut the grass and wash the vehicles out front without having to stop every few minutes to chase after/check on Tom. He just sat in my van, opened the window and chilled out for at least an hour. This morning at the school door he gave me a big hug before going in..WHATS GOING ON!!? Bernard(confused/elated)npower2003 <jacqui@...> wrote: BernardI am dearly hoping you are the Bernard as in Bernard and that I have recently been corresponding with. If so, I am SO glad that you have found this place! I am not sure what Dr M Ash is giving you is a "chelator" (although I believe he has suggested it is). All I am sure of is that there are VERY MANY people here who can help you.I wish you and your child wellJacqui > > In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time,> jacqui@j... writes:> > Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in> the am > > one tab in the pm?> > > > From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially> dangerous?> > > > >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it...............> > > > MAndi in Dorset> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide> with voicemail > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 > Is there a way to purchase DMSA without going through a doctor so that > it can be taken orally? I have never tried this. I try just about > everything (within reason) at least once. You don't need a prescription to buy DMSA. There's a local supplement store in my neighborhood that sells it. Although I doubt that any local health food store would have it, you'd have to go somewhere that specializes in harder to find supplements. Or online, try www.illnessisoptional.com -- I buy a few hard-to-get supplements there. Search on " DMSA " or " Captomer " . Or use the links below: http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=16078 http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=16079 http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4221 http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4222 The above links are for 100mg and 250mg capsules. I found one site in the UK where you can dosages as small as 25mg per capsule: http://www.light-and-sound.co.uk/cgi-bin/litcart2.cgi?start Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 > http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=16078 > http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=16079 > http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4221 > http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4222 Oh, I see that some of the above products are listed as " currently unavailable " . Try also www.spinelife.com, which has the following: http://store./spinelife/vndmsa.html http://store./spinelife/vndmsa250.html http://store./spinelife/mer.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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