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> Then what does DMSA stands for ?

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> It is just that I could not believe in my eyes when I saw DMSA being a

> toxic substance for chelation while DMSO being totally safe.

> Are you or somebody else suggesting anyone to do chelation using toxic

> substances ?/

,

You were the one who brought it up. Aggressive chelation therapy has always

had risks. From what I know of it, it should be done by a doctor. There is

nothing new about the skillful use of toxic substances by doctors.

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Hi Donna and Group-

Thanks so much for your detailed posting on this. I have been awaiting your

reply knowing that you have been through a lot on the chelation issue. I

consulted with a Chelation doc not too long ago who said that there is

absolutely no reason why I shouldn't chelate with 5 remaining amalgams still in

my mouth. Yeah, right! Maybe ok for others but I would of course, be the one

who gets hammered. No thanks.

I left there and brought the Doctors Data test kit with me to my natural healer.

Her energy testing said that my kidneys would not be able to even the one 500 mg

cap of DMSA to do the 6 hour challenge. This kinda backed up what my previous

detox panel said too.

I saw my enviro doc today and requested an RX to redo the GDSL Comp Detox Panel.

My thinking is that after the amalgams are removed, I want to be as educated as

possible on what my body can handle. My enviro doc informs me that the state I

live in has now disallowed Comprehensive Detox Panels. It's not enough that

they are trying to shut down all the out-of-the-box- thinking docs (including Dr

Corsello) but they continue to railroad us as healthcare consumers by limiting

the tests that we can have done here. So, unless I do some expensive and behind

the scene things, I have no way to measure if my body will be able to handle any

type of truly agressive detox such as chelation.

Perhaps someone knows of other liver and kidney function tests that I can do

through a local lab????

Kathy

----- Original Message -----

From: Donna Pruitt

Hi Sue,

I was nearly done answering your questions when this lovely machine froze up

and I had to reboot - losing my entire reply. So here I go again.

I took DMSA immediately after my amalgams were removed, on the advice of my

doctor. My mercury levels were very high via DMPS 24 hour urine challenge

(the standard for that period of time), but he preferred DMSA. I agreed w/o

researching the subject, trusting what he said.

That dose was the standard dosing schedule being used at the time (late

1998).

I don't remember if I had problems immediately, but I suspect if I did, I

did not pick up on them. By the 4th dose I was living in a world of

blackness, and that is all I remember of that period, except severe right

upper quadrant (liver area) abdominal pains. My doc told me to get a

surgical consult to make sure there wasn't a surgical issue going on, and

that was negative. The surgeon, since he couldn't find a reason for my pain,

wrote in his progress that I needed psychological counseling more than

anything else. My hatred for the medical profession was probably sealed

then.

I got no benefit from it. I got very severe CFIDS when prior to the DMSA my

CFIDS was tolerable. Not able to work, but ale to take care of the house...

Dr. Cheney did a GSDL Liver Detox Panel which revealed the SOD. What they

couldn't determine was whether it was acquired (from the DMSA), or genetic,

or a combo of both. The Genovations test I did last fall showed that I have

one gene for this defect. Cheney surmises my genetic susceptibility was

brought to full expression by the DMSA, as the only indication if problems

prior to that was migraines induced by red wine.

I'd do the Liver Detox Panel. An ordinary panel can't tell you about SOD's,

or an inability to detox substances properly.

Sorry so late in replying.

Donna in NC

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Dear Donna,

You wrote, " ...I took DMSA - 4 doses of 500 mg each, once a week for 4

weeks and landed in a lifetime of hell. " That's a strong statement!

Why did you decide to take DMSA?

Why that particular dose?

Did you have problems right away, after your first dose?

Did you get any benefit at all from it?

How did you learn that you have a sulfite oxidase deficiency?

Would an ordinary liver panel be enough to ensure that the liver is " okay? "

Sue B.

upstate NY

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Hi Sue,

I was nearly done answering your questions when this lovely machine froze up

and I had to reboot - losing my entire reply. So here I go again.

I took DMSA immediately after my amalgams were removed, on the advice of my

doctor. My mercury levels were very high via DMPS 24 hour urine challenge

(the standard for that period of time), but he preferred DMSA. I agreed w/o

researching the subject, trusting what he said.

That dose was the standard dosing schedule being used at the time (late

1998).

I don't remember if I had problems immediately, but I suspect if I did, I

did not pick up on them. By the 4th dose I was living in a world of

blackness, and that is all I remember of that period, except severe right

upper quadrant (liver area) abdominal pains. My doc told me to get a

surgical consult to make sure there wasn't a surgical issue going on, and

that was negative. The surgeon, since he couldn't find a reason for my pain,

wrote in his progress that I needed psychological counseling more than

anything else. My hatred for the medical profession was probably sealed

then.

I got no benefit from it. I got very severe CFIDS when prior to the DMSA my

CFIDS was tolerable. Not able to work, but ale to take care of the house...

Dr. Cheney did a GSDL Liver Detox Panel which revealed the SOD. What they

couldn't determine was whether it was acquired (from the DMSA), or genetic,

or a combo of both. The Genovations test I did last fall showed that I have

one gene for this defect. Cheney surmises my genetic susceptibility was

brought to full expression by the DMSA, as the only indication if problems

prior to that was migraines induced by red wine.

I'd do the Liver Detox Panel. An ordinary panel can't tell you about SOD's,

or an inability to detox substances properly.

Sorry so late in replying.

Donna in NC

Re: DMSA

> Dear Donna,

>

> You wrote, " ...I took DMSA - 4 doses of 500 mg each, once a week for 4

> weeks and landed in a lifetime of hell. " That's a strong statement!

>

> Why did you decide to take DMSA?

> Why that particular dose?

> Did you have problems right away, after your first dose?

> Did you get any benefit at all from it?

> How did you learn that you have a sulfite oxidase deficiency?

> Would an ordinary liver panel be enough to ensure that the liver is

" okay? "

>

> Sue B.

> upstate NY

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Hi Kathy...one of the advantages we docs in Canada have is the ability to order

tests for patients in the US..through our connection in Vancouver..who send the

kit to you and have it sent to GSDL and the results are sent back to us..and we

fax results to you...

I am so in favour of " dodging " the rules...people should have access to whatever

test they need.

Cheers,

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Hi Donna and Group-

Thanks so much for your detailed posting on this. I have been awaiting your

reply knowing that you have been through a lot on the chelation issue. I

consulted with a Chelation doc not too long ago who said that there is

absolutely no reason why I shouldn't chelate with 5 remaining amalgams still in

my mouth. Yeah, right! Maybe ok for others but I would of course, be the one

who gets hammered. No thanks.

I left there and brought the Doctors Data test kit with me to my natural healer.

Her energy testing said that my kidneys would not be able to even the one 500 mg

cap of DMSA to do the 6 hour challenge. This kinda backed up what my previous

detox panel said too.

I saw my enviro doc today and requested an RX to redo the GDSL Comp Detox Panel.

My thinking is that after the amalgams are removed, I want to be as educated as

possible on what my body can handle. My enviro doc informs me that the state I

live in has now disallowed Comprehensive Detox Panels. It's not enough that

they are trying to shut down all the out-of-the-box- thinking docs (including Dr

Corsello) but they continue to railroad us as healthcare consumers by limiting

the tests that we can have done here. So, unless I do some expensive and behind

the scene things, I have no way to measure if my body will be able to handle any

type of truly agressive detox such as chelation.

Perhaps someone knows of other liver and kidney function tests that I can do

through a local lab????

Kathy

----- Original Message -----

From: Donna Pruitt

Hi Sue,

I was nearly done answering your questions when this lovely machine froze up

and I had to reboot - losing my entire reply. So here I go again.

I took DMSA immediately after my amalgams were removed, on the advice of my

doctor. My mercury levels were very high via DMPS 24 hour urine challenge

(the standard for that period of time), but he preferred DMSA. I agreed w/o

researching the subject, trusting what he said.

That dose was the standard dosing schedule being used at the time (late

1998).

I don't remember if I had problems immediately, but I suspect if I did, I

did not pick up on them. By the 4th dose I was living in a world of

blackness, and that is all I remember of that period, except severe right

upper quadrant (liver area) abdominal pains. My doc told me to get a

surgical consult to make sure there wasn't a surgical issue going on, and

that was negative. The surgeon, since he couldn't find a reason for my pain,

wrote in his progress that I needed psychological counseling more than

anything else. My hatred for the medical profession was probably sealed

then.

I got no benefit from it. I got very severe CFIDS when prior to the DMSA my

CFIDS was tolerable. Not able to work, but ale to take care of the house...

Dr. Cheney did a GSDL Liver Detox Panel which revealed the SOD. What they

couldn't determine was whether it was acquired (from the DMSA), or genetic,

or a combo of both. The Genovations test I did last fall showed that I have

one gene for this defect. Cheney surmises my genetic susceptibility was

brought to full expression by the DMSA, as the only indication if problems

prior to that was migraines induced by red wine.

I'd do the Liver Detox Panel. An ordinary panel can't tell you about SOD's,

or an inability to detox substances properly.

Sorry so late in replying.

Donna in NC

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Pascalite Clay and Foot pads are two ways to get them out.

I've bought pads at www.bodypurenow.com He's a Naturopath that does

research on the pads as well as sell them. He also offers to test the

pads after you've used them.

http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=350

http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=294

> I have recently had a positive test for Borrelia bacteria and

> prescribed Cats Claw for this. For this to be effective I have to

get

> rid of heavy metals first.

>

> Does anyone know anything about the provocation urine testing with

> DMSA (Kelmer agent) ?

>

> Is there a good web site that is good for advice about heavy metals?

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>i know this is not exactly the topic of this forum,

>but I remember hearing some negative comments about

>DMSA. Could you explain why you think it is not good

>to go thru it?

It really seems to depend on the person. If one is

relatively healthy, DMSA can be helpful in pulling

mercury out the body. However, if one is pretty sick

and they are having a hard time detoxifying (poor

liver functioning), then DMSA can make one far worse

than they were to start with, mobilizing heavy

metals into the brain.

After reading about the potential problems with DMSA,

I decided that in my case it would be too dangerous

to try. (I've had negative reactions to numerous

things which aren't supposed to be dangerous at all!)

Marc

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I just started taking DMSA. I take cilantro drops (15 to 30) before/after

DMSA tablets. The cilantro binds with free mercury and carries it out

safely. It seems to be doing a pretty good job of regulating the heavy

side reactions when the mercury is loose from detox. I did the same during

amalgam filling replacements, taking cilantro drops before/after, reducing

my symptoms.

Glenn

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Subject: Re: DMSA

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 23:54:55 -0700

>i know this is not exactly the topic of this forum,

>but I remember hearing some negative comments about

>DMSA. Could you explain why you think it is not good

>to go thru it?

It really seems to depend on the person. If one is

relatively healthy, DMSA can be helpful in pulling

mercury out the body. However, if one is pretty sick

and they are having a hard time detoxifying (poor

liver functioning), then DMSA can make one far worse

than they were to start with, mobilizing heavy

metals into the brain.

After reading about the potential problems with DMSA,

I decided that in my case it would be too dangerous

to try. (I've had negative reactions to numerous

things which aren't supposed to be dangerous at all!)

Marc

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In a message dated 07/06/2005 04:22:39 GMT Daylight Time, weinert@... writes:

He doesn't really go into the consequences in his protocoldescription. Even the DAN! protocol says every 8 hours:

>>>>The consequence is possible/probable redistribution of metals due to ping poing levels of chelator in the blood. Half life of DMSAin blood is 4 hours.

I never treid 8 hourly, too chicken

BTW the orginal DAN studies were done on DMSA 4 hourly (the one by Amy Holmes) as it was Andy that taught her about chelation. After the first DAN think tank they decided it "parenst wouldn't WANT to get up at night" and arbitrarily changed the dosing schedule to 8 hourly. Andy C has been knocking DAN since then for not applying basic biochemical priniciples to the dosing.

Andy does chelate his girlfriends ASD son, he knows what its like to get up :)

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> Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am

> one tab in the pm?

>

> From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous?

From Andy Cutler's protocol:

" DMSA must be given no less often than every 4 hours "

http://f3.grp.fs.com/v1/sA2lQsEqu9cPctRCw7LIScAfScrwtKueb-tAf7ph6M_Bw2n6aCi\

rSH5jC4T2hjCifY2V8ut55IY_WyWHzQ0xvkA1mSE5lg/Andy_protocol

He doesn't really go into the consequences in his protocol

description. Even the DAN! protocol says every 8 hours:

http://www.eas.asu.edu/~autism/DANConsensusReport.htm

It does sound dangerous.

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In a message dated 07/06/2005 16:24:48 GMT Daylight Time, weinert@... writes:

The one thing I'm not certain about is if it's ok to use a longer than4 hour DMSA chelation dosing schedule if the person is sure thatmercury is not an issue. (How they'd be sure I don't know.) I thinkthe lead chelation protocol might have a longer interval.

>>>I wouldn't risk it, same applies to Lead, the chelator doesn;t know whats its being taken for - it just does what it does as Andy says LOL

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The one thing I'm not certain about is if it's ok to use a longer than

4 hour DMSA chelation dosing schedule if the person is sure that

mercury is not an issue. (How they'd be sure I don't know.) I think

the lead chelation protocol might have a longer interval.

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Catching up on 300 emails,

This is a bit hazy, but as I recall:

The original testing of the product and dosages for lead was done on an

eight hour protocol.

The 4 hour protocol is recommended because of the likely differences with

removing mercury and also because it enabled a lower, more frequent dosage

which nullified to a degree the emotional and physical peak & trough effect.

I can dig up more info if anyone's desperately interested.

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>Desperate4DMPSEurope

>Subject: Re: Re: DMSA

>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:23:37 EDT

>

>

>In a message dated 07/06/2005 16:24:48 GMT Daylight Time,

>weinert@... writes:

>

>The one thing I'm not certain about is if it's ok to use a longer than

>4 hour DMSA chelation dosing schedule if the person is sure that

>mercury is not an issue. (How they'd be sure I don't know.) I think

>the lead chelation protocol might have a longer interval.

>

>

>

> >>>I wouldn't risk it, same applies to Lead, the chelator doesn;t know

>whats

>its being taken for - it just does what it does as Andy says LOL

>

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In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes:

Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am one tab in the pm?From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous?

>>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it...............

MAndi in Dorset

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In a message dated 12/06/2005 09:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, c0ff33man@... writes:

But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. Bernard

>>>I think the Nutrilink practitioners are good with nutrition but chelation needs to be done a certain way not to be very dangerous and dosing DMSA with gaps bigger than 4 hours has the potential to be dangerous and strikes me a svery bizzare.

What dose are you doing?

Mandi in Uk (old timer to chelation)

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In a message dated 12/06/2005 09:55:56 GMT Daylight Time, c0ff33man@... writes:

But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. Bernard

>>>>What is this product? Whats in it? Did he tell you this was a chelator?

OK I found it now, twice of day of this is just fine and dandy i think. twice per day of DMSA isn;t

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But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. BernardMum231ASD@... wrote:

In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes:

Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am one tab in the pm?From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous?

>>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it...............

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Bernard, unless I'm greatly mistaken, porphyrins (Porphyra-Zyme) has nothing to do with DMSA. It may have a completely different half-life or action in the body. Does this help?

Abigail

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But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. BernardMum231ASD@... wrote:

In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time, jacqui@... writes:

Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in the am one tab in the pm?From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially dangerous?

>>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it...............

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-Sorry to add to this but Porphyra Zyme has no proven efficassy in

vivo; it is a concentrate of spinach (cheaper to give spinach) that

cannot possibly be working in vivo to remove heavy metals, as it does

not have such strong affinity to displace metals only (it was only

found to bind to metals in vitro, that is loss metals in a test tube).

People who are not medical practioners tend to say wrong facts about

chelation, because they can not supervise this treatment. Alternative

treatments proposed can be of doubtful honesty.

Lorene

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> Bernard, unless I'm greatly mistaken, porphyrins (Porphyra-Zyme) has

nothing to do with DMSA. It may have a completely different half-life

or action in the body. Does this help?

> Abigail

> Re: DMSA

>

>

> But this is what we've been doing for the last 2 weeks! Why would

it be dangerous..we are being advised by Mike Ash at Nutrilink and the

product we are using is Porphyra-Zyme from Biotics Research. Bernard

>

> Mum231ASD@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time,

jacqui@j... writes:

> Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in

the am

> one tab in the pm?

>

> From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially

dangerous?

>

> >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it...............

>

> MAndi in Dorset

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Bernard

I am dearly hoping you are the Bernard as in Bernard and that I

have recently been corresponding with. If so, I am SO glad that

you have found this place! I am not sure what Dr M Ash is giving

you is a " chelator " (although I believe he has suggested it is).

All I am sure of is that there are VERY MANY people here who can

help you.

I wish you and your child well

Jacqui

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> jacqui@j... writes:

> > Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one

tab in

> the am

> > one tab in the pm?

> >

> > From what I understand couldn't this protocol be

potentially

> dangerous?

> >

> > >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk

it...............

> >

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Hi all,

I think I need to have a long talk with some of you guys re our way forward...but one key thing about using porphyra-zyme. We stopped it last monday 6th due to toms hyper-sensory behaviuor. On wed 8th he had to be brought home from swimming as attacking his carers. On thursday he started to calm down but had a meltdown. By saturday he was the best he has been for ages and on sunday, so relaxed and calm-I've never(NEVER) been able to cut the grass and wash the vehicles out front without having to stop every few minutes to chase after/check on Tom. He just sat in my van, opened the window and chilled out for at least an hour. This morning at the school door he gave me a big hug before going in..WHATS GOING ON!!?

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BernardI am dearly hoping you are the Bernard as in Bernard and that I have recently been corresponding with. If so, I am SO glad that you have found this place! I am not sure what Dr M Ash is giving you is a "chelator" (although I believe he has suggested it is). All I am sure of is that there are VERY MANY people here who can help you.I wish you and your child wellJacqui > > In a message dated 06/06/2005 21:35:12 GMT Daylight Time,> jacqui@j... writes:> > Q for an acquaintance - Has any heard of using DMSA one tab in> the am > > one tab in the pm?> > > > From what I understand couldn't this protocol be potentially> dangerous?> > > > >>>>I have heard of it recently, I wouldn't risk it...............> > > > MAndi in Dorset> >

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> Is there a way to purchase DMSA without going through a doctor so that

> it can be taken orally? I have never tried this. I try just about

> everything (within reason) at least once.

You don't need a prescription to buy DMSA. There's a local supplement

store in my neighborhood that sells it. Although I doubt that any

local health food store would have it, you'd have to go somewhere

that specializes in harder to find supplements.

Or online, try www.illnessisoptional.com -- I buy a few hard-to-get

supplements there. Search on " DMSA " or " Captomer " . Or use the

links below:

http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=16078

http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=16079

http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4221

http://www.illnessisoptional.com/ace/product.asp?ProdID=4222

The above links are for 100mg and 250mg capsules.

I found one site in the UK where you can dosages as small as 25mg

per capsule:

http://www.light-and-sound.co.uk/cgi-bin/litcart2.cgi?start

Marc

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