Guest guest Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Has anyone here used this? It's supposed to increase glutathione by 300% to aide in methylation/sulfation. The advertising looks great but personal experience says soooo much more.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Have you chelated? > > Has anyone here used this? It's supposed to increase glutathione by 300% to aide in methylation/sulfation. The advertising looks great but personal experience says soooo much more.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2010 Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Our 8yr old son is taking it, but only started about 1 month ago. No positive or negative results so far, but it is still early. We did stop giving him oral Glutathione and Milk Thistle since starting Protandim. A friend's 5 year old son is taking it (after having done IV Glutathione in the past) and they are seeing some improvements. Feel free to email my husband at vtecno_geek@... for more information. We were skeptical at first, but the research looks good and personal testimonials from friends have been very positive. > > > > > > Has anyone here used this? It's supposed to increase glutathione by 300% to aide in methylation/sulfation. The advertising looks great but personal experience says soooo much more.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi Helen, The ingredients in Protandim are the following: • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health. & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation. • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232; • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232; • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications. The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however, you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors: http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/ Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements. All the Best, Dee > > Not sure we have discussed this. Is it a good anti-aging product? > http://mylifevantage.com/prolink/protandim.aspx?gclid=CN-QmdvnwacCFcW8KgodOE9qBA > > Protandim a day eliminates free radicals at a rate of one million to one per second every second and reduces your oxidative stress level to that of a 20 year old in just 30 days > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi, Dee,      I am glad to ask. Bacopa is new to me. I am thinking to get it to my adult son. What do you think?  He has been taking couple drugs from doctor to quell down his anxiety and OCD.   not sure if it is side effects from drugs. His memory is bad and for years fast heart beat average around 115. Last week I sent him to ER because heart beat went to 156. I was told grape juice will calm his heart. any other advice for heart health?  Helen From: Dolores <dgk@...> Subject: Re: Protandim Coconut Oil Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 10:46 AM  Hi Helen, The ingredients in Protandim are the following: • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health. & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation. • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232; • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232; • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications. The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however, you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors: http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/ Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements. All the Best, Dee > > Not sure we have discussed this. Is it a good anti-aging product? > http://mylifevantage.com/prolink/protandim.aspx?gclid=CN-QmdvnwacCFcW8KgodOE9qBA >  > Protandim a day eliminates free radicals at a rate of one million to one per second every second and reduces your oxidative stress level to that of a 20 year old in just 30 days > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Protandim gives a signal to increase the manufacture of antioxidant enzymes but increased production requires precursor molecules to be adequate. Protandim does not, however, provide the bonded cysteine precursors we find in the whey. I think that some elderly people who can't produce adequate antioxidants even though the precursors are there would benefit by increasing the message. The majority respond well to the precursors without the Protandim. Another product, Amega Global's AMGenex DNA, similarly switches on the genetic expression to produce glutathione in 200 genes. It's active ingredient is a specially concentrated sulforaphane. You can get standard sulforaphane in several locations; I think AMGenex' claim to fame is the inclusion of several exotic superfruit extracts. all good, Duncan > > Not sure we have discussed this. Is it a good anti-aging product? > http://mylifevantage.com/prolink/protandim.aspx?gclid=CN-QmdvnwacCFcW8KgodOE9qBA > > Protandim a day eliminates free radicals at a rate of one million to one per second every second and reduces your oxidative stress level to that of a 20 year old in just 30 days > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Hi Helen, Yes, Baccopa Monniera helps with memory: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20590480 It can, however, cause gastrointestinal side effects but I have not experienced any. Rapid heart beat can be caused by a number of reasons. I suffered from episodes of very rapid, irregular heart beats for years - with many trips to the ER - before it was discovered I had a congenital defect called mitral valve prolapse. The usual EKG didn't find it and it wasn't until they finally did an Echo Cardiogram that I was diagnosed correctly, so I would recommend he ask for that. In the meantime these supplements will help as they have for me: Fish Oils and Omega 3 acids. I use Carlson's Cod Liver oil and Chia Seeds soaked in apple juice for that. Also Magnesium and CoQl0 are VERY important to regulate the heart. I wish your son all the best as heart irregularities can be so very scary. Best, Dee > > Hi, Dee, >  >     I am glad to ask. Bacopa is new to me. I am thinking to get it to my adult son. What do you think?  He has been taking couple drugs from doctor to quell down his anxiety and OCD.   not sure if it is side effects from drugs. His memory is bad and for years fast heart beat average around 115. Last week I sent him to ER because heart beat went to 156. I was told grape juice will calm his heart. any other advice for heart health?  Helen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 Duncan, Isn't Amega Global another MLM company you represent and promote on a number of ? In fact your Lindekin profile says you are an " owner " at Amega Global: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Duncan/Crow Dee > > Another product, Amega Global's AMGenex DNA, similarly switches on the genetic expression to produce glutathione in 200 genes. It's active ingredient is a specially concentrated sulforaphane. You can get standard sulforaphane in several locations; I think AMGenex' claim to fame is the inclusion of several exotic superfruit extracts. > > all good, > > Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Byron, a better understanding of the mechanisms involved here will help you. Protandim and Amega DNA promote glutathione production. Full stop. Glutathione production is known to require as a rate-limiting precursor, bonded cysteine, which is not provided by these products. Look up rate-limiting cysteine; the science is arirtight. A lot of people have low glutathione production because of a lack of dietary precursors. Once the precursors are plentiful, even elderly people don't usually need to use a glutathione promoter. This is obvious also in the literature. But if they do, and this would be a small minority, today we have Protandim and the similar and arguable better Amgenex DNA, which also contains sulforaphane while Protandim does not. Either should be used in addition to but not instead of rate-limiting precursors. It's not about " all or nothing " . Life an exercise in flexibility and compromise, and we have more than one product here to choose from. You can certainly compromise your health regime where you like, but because I know the subject well I would not compromise my glutathione reserves by using a product that does not provide precursors 'instead of' one that does. That compromise alone would seriously undermine my health regime, and acquiescing to a weak link being imposed on anybody's health regime when I know better would make me less than useful, a troll in fact IMO. Lots of people live " normal " lives without taking supplements. " Normal " lifespans are around 76-83 years I think. But ALL centenarians who survived to live to be 100 have well above normal glutathione levels, and all people with high levels tend to be disease-free. I think that since quality of life and longevity can be improved we should all know that it will require adequate glutathione precursors. Note at this point no drug enters the picture. As to your direct question about research surrounding Amega's AMgenex DNA, superfruit extracts generally have been well researched and selected for their legendary attributes, just like the selection in Protandim. The sulforaphane component in Amgenex DNA, which is not in Protandim, is also well researched. This switches on gene expression for glutathione manufacture but you still need the building blocks. Find pretty much any of the reference material with the terms sulforaphane references or Noni references and so on in the Gooogle search box. Here I leave you with a quote from Amega's sites; All of Amega's material is FDA-legal so you can use the keywords from the text below and find supportive data. The Cellactiv they refer to is the sulforaphane. DNA | Dynamic Nutrition Advantage™ is a world class breakthrough in the category of functional foods. A unique fusion of some of the most notable superfoods around. DNA active ingredients include Acai, Goji, Mangosteen, Amalaki (Indian Gooseberry), Noni, Gac, Camu Camu and Pomegranate, giving DNA many benefits beyond other products that promote a high-ORAC (antioxidant activity). And, what's more only Dynamic Nutrition Advantage includes CellActiv®. A dramatic new approach to cellular health, CellActiv enhances the cell's own internal defense systems because it direcly interacts with the expression of the cell's DNA, the Master Code of the body. The unique combination of CellActiv® and DNA's potent array of bioactive ingredients provide significant sources of phytonutrients with powerful benefits for promoting optimal health. all good, Duncan > > > Your always talking about having proof. Where is your proof that it doesnt work for the elderly?Protandim has proof that it works despite your opinion. Or has Amega done clinical trials and published research in medical lit that I unaware of? Protandim has, it has even the FDA's approval to make these claims. > I dont buy into the whole deal only in that nothing is a one size fits all fix. Some people will need more and some people do not need it at all. Some people have good genes and live long despite what they do. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Thanks ; I had thought I write in an unambiguous way. I've already replied in detail to Byron's questions but I'm glad some people understand me all good, Duncan > I hate it when I > see someone jumped on for something they *didn't* say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 > > Byron, a better understanding of the mechanisms involved here will help you. Protandim and Amega DNA promote glutathione production. Full stop. Glutathione production is known to require as a rate-limiting precursor, bonded cysteine, which is not provided by these products. Look up rate-limiting cysteine; the science is arirtight. > > A lot of people have low glutathione production because of a lack of dietary precursors. Once the precursors are plentiful, even elderly people don't usually need to use a glutathione promoter. This is obvious also in the literature. Protandim is not strictly a glutathione product. Full Stop. Whereas protandim has tested it on elderly without giving them cysteine and the clinical proof is there, and its not just glutathione that is being raised it is 22 differant enzymes. Maybe you need to look at some of the research. > > But if they do, and this would be a small minority, today we have Protandim and the similar and arguable better Amgenex DNA, which also contains sulforaphane while Protandim does not. Either should be used in addition to but not instead of rate-limiting precursors. > > It's not about " all or nothing " . Life an exercise in flexibility and compromise, and we have more than one product here to choose from. You can certainly compromise your health regime where you like, but because I know the subject well I would not compromise my glutathione reserves by using a product that does not provide precursors 'instead of' one that does. That compromise alone would seriously undermine my health regime, and acquiescing to a weak link being imposed on anybody's health regime when I know better would make me less than useful, a troll in fact IMO. I didnt suggest all or nothing or instead of. We are not just taking about Glutathione. You can compromise your health if you want to by ignoring everthing else out there. I know your answer to everthing is Glutathione but that is not just what this product is. > > Lots of people live " normal " lives without taking supplements. " Normal " lifespans are around 76-83 years I think. (you didnt get that from me) > > But ALL centenarians who survived to live to be 100 have well above normal glutathione levels, and all people with high levels tend to be disease-free. > Thats my point what happens when you give people who already have naturally occuring high levels of anti-oxidents even more? Please get of the strictly glutathione kick thats not what I am talking about with protandim. This is differant from your Whey products. > > > As to your direct question about research surrounding Amega's AMgenex DNA, superfruit extracts generally have been well researched and selected for their legendary attributes, just like the selection in Protandim. The sulforaphane component in Amgenex DNA, which is not in Protandim, is also well researched. This switches on gene expression for glutathione manufacture but you still need the building blocks. Where are the clinical trials to prove it? not just well researched but proven to work. > > > > DNA | Dynamic Nutrition Advantage™ is a world class breakthrough in the category of functional foods. A unique fusion of some of the most notable superfoods around. DNA active ingredients include Acai, Goji, Mangosteen, Amalaki (Indian Gooseberry), Noni, Gac, Camu Camu and Pomegranate, giving DNA many benefits beyond other products that promote a high-ORAC (antioxidant activity). And, what's more only Dynamic Nutrition Advantage includes CellActiv®. A dramatic new approach to cellular health, CellActiv enhances the cell's own internal defense systems because it direcly interacts with the expression of the cell's DNA, the Master Code of the body. The unique combination of CellActiv® and DNA's potent array of bioactive ingredients provide significant sources of phytonutrients with powerful benefits for promoting optimal health. > Again not clinically tested or proven but alot of theory which is great but its not the same. Orac values are worthless and I think you understand that. again we are not just talking about Glutathione Duncan. And I'm not suggesting it instead of something else. You can do whatever you want without my approval. Byron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 > > > > > > > > DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding it up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot more than $9 a month for one ingredient. > > No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like dealing with MLM's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well that is pretty cheap, I guess your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 Lyn, Did you ever have a bad experience at a store? And have you stopped shopping at stores? Or have a bad experience at a gas station to make you stop going to gas stations? Just because of one bad experience with an MLM, doesn't mean they are all bad to deal with. In my experience of buying supplements for many many years, some from stores and some from MLM's, I have found that MLM's are way more knowledgeable about the products they sell than Walmart or Costco is. How many people do you think get money when you buy at Walmart or a gas station? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand your assessment of MLM's. Carol I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I had a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way their businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a downline big bucks to make a purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Ya know I think she is saying that.... Yet another reason to hate MLMs -- consumers are forced to purchase their products!! > > No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a downline big bucks > > to make a purchase. > > Thankfully, no consumer does... unless you are suggesting there are > MLM's out there that force people to buy their product against their will?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have never been associated with an MLM that forced consumers to buy stuff, and if that was their policy then I wouldn't join that MLM either. Carol > > Ya know I think she is saying that.... > Yet another reason to hate MLMs -- consumers are forced to purchase their products!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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