Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

May 28, 2010

Mb12 can make them hyperactive,hence sleeplessness is ok.I let him sleep during

evening if he wished.With yeast protocol now,epsom salt bath puts him to sleep

sooner ....its worth trying.i did not give any benadryl.

From: DIANA <dmniemes@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

Received: Friday, May 28, 2010, 5:46 AM

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Did you give him Benadryl as well?

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> > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in the middle

of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the afternoons

-seems too wired up to rest.

>

> > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets (1000mcg),

No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and Culterelle at

night (1 capsule).

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> mB12 did this to my #3, until I gave it with folic acid and carnitine.

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> I also had to increase his yeast protocol.

>

> Dana

>

May 28, 2010

something to remember is that on GF/CF it's easy to get low on molybdenum which

we can usually get from wheat. molybdenum is needed for metabolizing

phenols/polyphenols. check archives or google for more. if hyperactivity from

MB12 it may be connected.

also, if MB12 is activating brain detox this would explain irritation...

B12 and SAMe are crucial to brain detox, possibly lower dosage or do epsom salt

baths to help detox body more efficiently. Love these baths and they are easy

and soothing.

..........................................

I'm going to post a question to the group regarding an explanation of phenol

metabolism...maybe answers will come from this.

Theodora

>

> Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in the middle of

the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the afternoons -seems

too wired up to rest.

>

> The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets (1000mcg),

No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and Culterelle at

night (1 capsule).

>

> He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp), Zinc, Vitamin

C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

>

> I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the morning is

causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at night. He also

has puffiness under his eyes.

>

> I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they think I

might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so our son

can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

>

> TIA,

> Sleepy Mom

>

May 28, 2010

Is Loratidine by Rx only?

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> > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in the

middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the

morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they

think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so

our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TIA,

> > > > > > Sleepy Mom

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May 28, 2010

No, I haven't tried Melatonin. He's taking so many supplements and he's not even

2 years old yet so I feel scared. We give him the B12 in the morning around 8am

and his bedtime isn't until 9pm so I don't know why he's having the middle of

the night wakings? We do Epsom salt baths every night for 15 minutes (he doesn't

like to stay in the tub longer).

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> > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in the

middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

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> > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

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> > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

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> > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the

morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

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> > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they

think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so

our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

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> > > > > > TIA,

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> > > > > > Sleepy Mom

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May 28, 2010

Thanks. I'm trying to look for it around where we live (we're overseas).

>

> Might want to use the dye-free Benedryl if you're curently using the regular.

> LInda S S

>

> Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

> Posted by: " DIANA " dmniemes@... dmniemes

> Fri May 28, 2010 2:46 am (PDT)

>

> I gave him Benadryl while I gave him his bath and he went down to sleep with

no problem and slept all night. I don't want to continue doing Benadryl

everynight if I continue to give him B12. Or is it necessary to give him the

Benadryl until his body gets used to the B12?

>

May 28, 2010

Yes, he's on the GFCF diet as well. I'm sure the MB12 is causing this now

because I didn't give it to him today and he napped for 2 hours with no problem

and I'm hoping his bedtime will go smooth as well. Yes, we're keen on nightly

epsom salt baths here:)

> >

> > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in the middle

of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the afternoons

-seems too wired up to rest.

> >

> > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets (1000mcg),

No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and Culterelle at

night (1 capsule).

> >

> > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp), Zinc,

Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

> >

> > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the morning

is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at night. He

also has puffiness under his eyes.

> >

> > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they think I

might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so our son

can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

> >

> > TIA,

> > Sleepy Mom

> >

>

May 28, 2010

As a nurse, I do not recommend using benadryl every on a daily basis.

The loratidine is a clear dye-free grape flavor when purchased in rite-aid

brand.

>

> Might want to use the dye-free Benedryl if you're curently using the regular.

> LInda S S

>

> Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

> Posted by: " DIANA " dmniemes@... dmniemes

> Fri May 28, 2010 2:46 am (PDT)

>

> I gave him Benadryl while I gave him his bath and he went down to sleep with

no problem and slept all night. I don't want to continue doing Benadryl

everynight if I continue to give him B12. Or is it necessary to give him the

Benadryl until his body gets used to the B12?

>

May 28, 2010

If you are not scared to give him Benadryl, you should not be scared to try

melatonin.

It is worth a try.

Pam

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> > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in

the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

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> > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

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> > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

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> > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the

morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

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> > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they

think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so

our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

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> > > > > > > TIA,

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May 28, 2010

insomnia can be a sign of adrenal fatigue...more info on link below

http://www.naturalnews.com/024985_cortisol_blood_adrenal_fatigue.html

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From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 5:18 PM

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If you are not scared to give him Benadryl, you should not be scared to try

melatonin.

It is worth a try.

Pam

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> > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in

the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

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> > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

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> > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

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> > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the

morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

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> > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they

think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so

our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

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> > > > > > > TIA,

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May 28, 2010

I will definitely try depending how tonight goes. I do have it in our supplement

cabinet. Thx:)

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> > > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in

the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

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> > > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

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> > > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

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> > > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in

the morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

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> > > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what

they think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements

so our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

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> > > > > > > > TIA,

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May 28, 2010

You might also want to try Natural Calm which is an all natural powdered

calcium and magnesium mix. You mix it with water and it taste a bit like

mild lemonade. Both calcium and magnesium help to calm the body.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of DIANA

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 3:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

I will definitely try depending how tonight goes. I do have it in our

supplement cabinet. Thx:)

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> > > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably

in the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

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> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

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> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4

tsp), Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him

in the morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the

Culterelle at night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

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> > > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what

they think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these

supplements so our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

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> > > > > > > > TIA,

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> > > > > > > > Sleepy Mom

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May 28, 2010

No. It used to be, but you can get OTC now. Rite-Aid has a grpae flavor that is

clear. (We have dye issues and so that is how I know.)

However, if your doctor prescribes, then insurance will usually pay for it, as

ours does. They just take it off the shelf and put a label on it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in

the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the

morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they

think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so

our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > TIA,

> > > > > > > Sleepy Mom

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May 28, 2010

My son was age two when he started loratidine (1 tsp 3 times day); he only

weighed 21 pounds.

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> >

> > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in

the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the

morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

> >

> > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they

think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so

our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

> >

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> > > > > > > TIA,

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> > > > > > > Sleepy Mom

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May 29, 2010

Does his B-complex have much folate? My kids needed 5-MTHF

(methyltetrahydrofolate or active folate), not folic acid with their B12.

Also, lack of liver support affects sleep quality. Milk thistle and a bit of

molybdenum (we use BioCare liquid drops) helped with that here.

Jo

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> > > > > > > > Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in

the middle of the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the

afternoons -seems too wired up to rest.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets

(1000mcg), No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and

Culterelle at night (1 capsule).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp),

Zinc, Vitamin C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in

the morning is causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at

night. He also has puffiness under his eyes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what

they think I might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements

so our son can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > TIA,

> > > > > > > > Sleepy Mom

May 30, 2010

Sounds like tummy pain to me. I wouldn't try melatonin right away, for the very

reason that you said he's crying inconsolably. That doesn't sound like a sleep

issue, but a health issue that's making him cry, the pain bad enough to wake

him.

Puffiness under the eyes is a red flag for allergy. It might help to remove the

allergen/s. Hallucinations and night terrors can be dietary.

This presentation might be helpful:

http://www.recoveryvideos.com/video/elaineweb.mov

If you aren't already, I'd give a warm bath in epsom salts and baking soda

(15-20 minutes) nightly. It will help with detoxification. It would probably

benefit you to do the same for yourself - it improves sleep efficiency by 2/3.

My son used to do the same thing, at about the same age. I didn't know much

about biomed at the time, and he wasn't yet GFCF. A yogurt in the middle of the

night was like giving him a tranquilizer. He went from seething/inconsolable to

calm and snuggly. It was withdrawal waking him up. I suppose kids can have

withdrawal symptoms from other foods... or it could be " die-off " .

Of all the things I tried to calm my son when he was in that state, the cold

night air seemed help. I'd wrap him in a blanket and stand on the snowy

doorstep. He liked it so much, he'd sometimes scream if I tried to go inside

again. It's the wrong time of year for that now, but maybe rocking him next the

breeze of a cool fan would help.

>

> Our son, 2 years old, has been waking up crying unconsolably in the middle of

the night. He also hasn't been taking his usual naps in the afternoons -seems

too wired up to rest.

>

> The new things we started this week was Methly B12 tablets (1000mcg),

No-phenol (1 capsule) he takes both of these in the morning and Culterelle at

night (1 capsule).

>

> He also takes these in the morning, GSE (1 drop), OLE (1/4 tsp), Zinc, Vitamin

C, B-Complex, Magnesium, Multi Vit, & Omega 3's.

>

> I don't know if the No-Phenol or Mehtyl B12 that I give him in the morning is

causing this no-sleep effect on him or if it's the Culterelle at night. He also

has puffiness under his eyes.

>

> I feel so tired/ sleepy so if anyone can please tell me what they think I

might be doing wrong or if I should adjust any of these supplements so our son

can sleep better I would greatly appreciate it.

>

> TIA,

> Sleepy Mom

>

May 31, 2010

Inconsolable crying is common among those damaged by the DPT vaccine.

S S

Re: NOT SLEEPING...PLS HELP!

Posted by: " happietrout " lilmisunshyn@... happietrout

Sun May 30, 2010 8:18 pm (PDT)

Sounds like tummy pain to me. I wouldn't try melatonin right away, for the very

reason that you said he's crying inconsolably. That doesn't sound like a sleep

issue, but a health issue that's making him cry, the pain bad enough to wake

him.

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