RE: X-post - Venting and need help with book suggestions

[Guest guest]

what about " Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A

Medical Controversy by Kirby "

I haven't read it yet...I just bought it.

 

PWC

________________________________

From: G <luckylot@...>

Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 1:42:30 PM

Subject: [ ] X-post - Venting and need help with book suggestions

 

Hi everyone, I I also posted this on the Recovery group, but I want as many

opinions as possible. The reason I am writing, is because I have a little sister

who just had her first baby boy by emergency c-section at 34 weeks gestation two

weeks ago. She had NO amniotic fluid and was having severe swelling and high

blood pressure linked to pre-eclempsia. The doctor said that something went

wrong with the placenta, after the delivery, but I am not sure what.

So here is my concern....we have the genetics that equate to autism, she has a

mouth full of silver, she definitely reacts to foods, many of them but she does

nothing about it, she has diarrhea, constipation, bloating, yeast infections,

mood swings like CRAAAAZY, major PMS symptoms that put her in bed for days each

month, she now craves sugar when she never even liked it before, she doesn't eat

enough protein, she went against my advice and got the H1N1 vaccine WHILE SHE

WAS PREGNANT!! I convinced her not to vaccinate the baby, BUT now I am hearing

that while in the hospital, the father of the baby was pushing REALLY hard and

even fought with my other sister about it pretty badly, so now I don't know if

they vaccinated this itty bitty teeny weeny under 4 pound baby before he went

home!! I'm sure she wouldn't tell me if they did, because she knows how strongly

I feel about it, especially for such a tiny infant who won't even be in daycare.

He was doing

great though, never needed help breathing, latches on well and other than the

usual can't-keep-the- newborn-awake- to-finish- nursing syndrome, he is doing

fabulously. The hospital even gave him probiotics since his first day of birth,

kudos to the hospital!! So now here is my concern, they are supplementing him

(they meaning the hospital is suggesting it and my sister is following the

rules) with preemie formula for added weight gain. I don't know what is in that

stuff, but from my experience with other formulas, I'm assuming it includes all

types of corn syrups, cow's milk proteins, soy proteins, flavorings, etc...am I

right? This once very calm and mellow baby is now about 2 weeks old and is

becoming fussy (not crying, as she puts it) and she thinks he needs to poop. I

feel like that might be a sign of something digestive going on. She is giving

him probiotics that I recommended, (dairy free, GI proHealth) but I fear that

the formula or even

something in her diet could be the problem. How on earth do you teach a very

defiant little sister how to prevent these issues that run rampant in our

family? We have depression, allergies, OCD, ADD, alcoholism and then my kids who

have major GI issues, my oldest just possibly missing the diagnosis of aspergers

(as long as we keep on the path we are on), but has SPD....the list goes on. I

would get her a book to reference, but they all cram autism down your throat and

that isn't the way to teach prevention, although I understand that is the

possible ultimate demise of a child who isn't well, but I just don't think her

or the father of the baby would take that seriously. Everyone believes it is

genetic and that there is nothing you can do about that. In fact, my other

sister has already told them both that he thinks I stretch the facts in my

situation with my boys when in fact, the truth is that I don't really even share

it all with them, how bad it can

be. I already bought her a book on vaccines, I share every link I can find on

the details of what causes these issues and even the fact that boys are more

effected. I don't want to cause her first experience to be riddled with stress

and confusion either, but I also know that it's those feelings that drive us

warrior moms to do what we do...so I want to tread lightly, but I really am VERY

worried about this baby's ability to be healthy, if they don't take these things

seriously. They have an opportunity right now, in front of them, to keep this

baby as healthy as possible, but the father of the baby is a true roadblock! He

has two other kids who aren't entirely " right " either and he feeds them crap

like lolly pops before bed or upon waking, ice cream every night in front of the

tv, I think you probably get my point. Are there any books or sites that come to

mind when you think of what you wish you knew " before " it all started for you?

Is it even

possible to get someone on board for prevention when they truly just don't know

how bad it can get? I live states away from them and this particular sister has

never seen the worst of my kid's situation, but my other sister has. She has

tried talking to her too, from her own experiences here with us. That is when

her fight ensued with the father of the baby about how I am making these things

up. I don't know what else to do, I just care too much I think!

[Guest guest]

Hello

I had a 34 week baby under 4 pound in december.She did fine on breastmilk and

gained 45gms per day on it.2 days that the doctors put her on formula she gained

20gms.

If your brother in law is serious about vaccinating...........there is nothing

much we can do about it but robert sears book called " the vaccine book " clearly

says children need no vaccination before they are 6 months old.He also give an

alternate vaccine schedule to delay vaccines and reduce the number of

shots.Maybe if they wait for 6 months you can talk to your sister again about

delaying it till he shows no signs of autism.

We cannot force our decision as it is their child but we sure can pray for the

little one

regards

Laila

From: Concerned Parent <parentwithconcerns@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] X-post - Venting and need help with book

suggestions

Received: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 2:30 PM

 

what about " Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic:

A Medical Controversy by Kirby "

I haven't read it yet...I just bought it.

 

PWC

____________ _________ _________ __

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) net>

Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 1:42:30 PM

Subject: [ ] X-post - Venting and need help with book suggestions

 

Hi everyone, I I also posted this on the Recovery group, but I want as many

opinions as possible. The reason I am writing, is because I have a little sister

who just had her first baby boy by emergency c-section at 34 weeks gestation two

weeks ago. She had NO amniotic fluid and was having severe swelling and high

blood pressure linked to pre-eclempsia. The doctor said that something went

wrong with the placenta, after the delivery, but I am not sure what.

So here is my concern....we have the genetics that equate to autism, she has a

mouth full of silver, she definitely reacts to foods, many of them but she does

nothing about it, she has diarrhea, constipation, bloating, yeast infections,

mood swings like CRAAAAZY, major PMS symptoms that put her in bed for days each

month, she now craves sugar when she never even liked it before, she doesn't eat

enough protein, she went against my advice and got the H1N1 vaccine WHILE SHE

WAS PREGNANT!! I convinced her not to vaccinate the baby, BUT now I am hearing

that while in the hospital, the father of the baby was pushing REALLY hard and

even fought with my other sister about it pretty badly, so now I don't know if

they vaccinated this itty bitty teeny weeny under 4 pound baby before he went

home!! I'm sure she wouldn't tell me if they did, because she knows how strongly

I feel about it, especially for such a tiny infant who won't even be in daycare.

He was doing

great though, never needed help breathing, latches on well and other than the

usual can't-keep-the- newborn-awake- to-finish- nursing syndrome, he is doing

fabulously. The hospital even gave him probiotics since his first day of birth,

kudos to the hospital!! So now here is my concern, they are supplementing him

(they meaning the hospital is suggesting it and my sister is following the

rules) with preemie formula for added weight gain. I don't know what is in that

stuff, but from my experience with other formulas, I'm assuming it includes all

types of corn syrups, cow's milk proteins, soy proteins, flavorings, etc...am I

right? This once very calm and mellow baby is now about 2 weeks old and is

becoming fussy (not crying, as she puts it) and she thinks he needs to poop. I

feel like that might be a sign of something digestive going on. She is giving

him probiotics that I recommended, (dairy free, GI proHealth) but I fear that

the formula or even

something in her diet could be the problem. How on earth do you teach a very

defiant little sister how to prevent these issues that run rampant in our

family? We have depression, allergies, OCD, ADD, alcoholism and then my kids who

have major GI issues, my oldest just possibly missing the diagnosis of aspergers

(as long as we keep on the path we are on), but has SPD....the list goes on. I

would get her a book to reference, but they all cram autism down your throat and

that isn't the way to teach prevention, although I understand that is the

possible ultimate demise of a child who isn't well, but I just don't think her

or the father of the baby would take that seriously. Everyone believes it is

genetic and that there is nothing you can do about that. In fact, my other

sister has already told them both that he thinks I stretch the facts in my

situation with my boys when in fact, the truth is that I don't really even share

it all with them, how bad it can

be. I already bought her a book on vaccines, I share every link I can find on

the details of what causes these issues and even the fact that boys are more

effected. I don't want to cause her first experience to be riddled with stress

and confusion either, but I also know that it's those feelings that drive us

warrior moms to do what we do...so I want to tread lightly, but I really am VERY

worried about this baby's ability to be healthy, if they don't take these things

seriously. They have an opportunity right now, in front of them, to keep this

baby as healthy as possible, but the father of the baby is a true roadblock! He

has two other kids who aren't entirely " right " either and he feeds them crap

like lolly pops before bed or upon waking, ice cream every night in front of the

tv, I think you probably get my point. Are there any books or sites that come to

mind when you think of what you wish you knew " before " it all started for you?

Is it even

possible to get someone on board for prevention when they truly just don't know

how bad it can get? I live states away from them and this particular sister has

never seen the worst of my kid's situation, but my other sister has. She has

tried talking to her too, from her own experiences here with us. That is when

her fight ensued with the father of the baby about how I am making these things

up. I don't know what else to do, I just care too much I think!

[Guest guest]

When I vaccinated my son, I wasn't a roadblock in the way of his health. I love

my son intensely and thought I was doing the right thing. Please see the father

as the loving parent he is, and not as an adversary.

Here's the latest book being recommended as a great way for parents to educate

themselves about vaccines, so they can make an informed choice. I hope it helps:

http://www.amazon.com/Informed-Vaccine-Decision-Health-Child/dp/1881217361

>

> Hi everyone, I I also posted this on the Recovery group, but I want as many

opinions as possible. The reason I am writing, is because I have a little

sister who just had her first baby boy by emergency c-section at 34 weeks

gestation two weeks ago. She had NO amniotic fluid and was having severe

swelling and high blood pressure linked to pre-eclempsia. The doctor said that

something went wrong with the placenta, after the delivery, but I am not sure

what.

>

> So here is my concern....we have the genetics that equate to autism, she has a

mouth full of silver, she definitely reacts to foods, many of them but she does

nothing about it, she has diarrhea, constipation, bloating, yeast infections,

mood swings like CRAAAAZY, major PMS symptoms that put her in bed for days each

month, she now craves sugar when she never even liked it before, she doesn't eat

enough protein, she went against my advice and got the H1N1 vaccine WHILE SHE

WAS PREGNANT!! I convinced her not to vaccinate the baby, BUT now I am hearing

that while in the hospital, the father of the baby was pushing REALLY hard and

even fought with my other sister about it pretty badly, so now I don't know if

they vaccinated this itty bitty teeny weeny under 4 pound baby before he went

home!! I'm sure she wouldn't tell me if they did, because she knows how

strongly I feel about it, especially for such a tiny infant who won't even be in

daycare. He was doing great though, never needed help breathing, latches on

well and other than the usual can't-keep-the-newborn-awake-to-finish-nursing

syndrome, he is doing fabulously. The hospital even gave him probiotics since

his first day of birth, kudos to the hospital!! So now here is my concern, they

are supplementing him (they meaning the hospital is suggesting it and my sister

is following the rules) with preemie formula for added weight gain. I don't

know what is in that stuff, but from my experience with other formulas, I'm

assuming it includes all types of corn syrups, cow's milk proteins, soy

proteins, flavorings, etc...am I right? This once very calm and mellow baby is

now about 2 weeks old and is becoming fussy (not crying, as she puts it) and she

thinks he needs to poop. I feel like that might be a sign of something

digestive going on. She is giving him probiotics that I recommended, (dairy

free, GI proHealth) but I fear that the formula or even something in her diet

could be the problem. How on earth do you teach a very defiant little sister

how to prevent these issues that run rampant in our family? We have depression,

allergies, OCD, ADD, alcoholism and then my kids who have major GI issues, my

oldest just possibly missing the diagnosis of aspergers (as long as we keep on

the path we are on), but has SPD....the list goes on. I would get her a book to

reference, but they all cram autism down your throat and that isn't the way to

teach prevention, although I understand that is the possible ultimate demise of

a child who isn't well, but I just don't think her or the father of the baby

would take that seriously. Everyone believes it is genetic and that there is

nothing you can do about that. In fact, my other sister has already told them

both that he thinks I stretch the facts in my situation with my boys when in

fact, the truth is that I don't really even share it all with them, how bad it

can be. I already bought her a book on vaccines, I share every link I can find

on the details of what causes these issues and even the fact that boys are more

effected. I don't want to cause her first experience to be riddled with stress

and confusion either, but I also know that it's those feelings that drive us

warrior moms to do what we do...so I want to tread lightly, but I really am VERY

worried about this baby's ability to be healthy, if they don't take these things

seriously. They have an opportunity right now, in front of them, to keep this

baby as healthy as possible, but the father of the baby is a true roadblock! He

has two other kids who aren't entirely " right " either and he feeds them crap

like lolly pops before bed or upon waking, ice cream every night in front of the

tv, I think you probably get my point. Are there any books or sites that come

to mind when you think of what you wish you knew " before " it all started for

you? Is it even possible to get someone on board for prevention when they truly

just don't know how bad it can get? I live states away from them and this

particular sister has never seen the worst of my kid's situation, but my other

sister has. She has tried talking to her too, from her own experiences here

with us. That is when her fight ensued with the father of the baby about how I

am making these things up. I don't know what else to do, I just care too much I

think!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, you might also want to suggest reading : What Your Dr. May Not Tell You

About Childhood Vaccinations by Dr. Cave and I also recommend

Evidence of Harm by Kirby.. it is always best to educate yourself,

some of us weren't; that lucky, had we known what could have happened, we

might have read more and investigated before the day we were all doomed.. I

feel now it is better to be safe than sorry.. I hope this helps.. Take Care.

Corinne

_____

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On Behalf Of laila aziz

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] X-post - Venting and need help with book

suggestions

Hello

I had a 34 week baby under 4 pound in december.She did fine on breastmilk

and gained 45gms per day on it.2 days that the doctors put her on formula

she gained 20gms.

If your brother in law is serious about vaccinating...........there is

nothing much we can do about it but robert sears book called " the vaccine

book " clearly says children need no vaccination before they are 6 months

old.He also give an alternate vaccine schedule to delay vaccines and reduce

the number of shots.Maybe if they wait for 6 months you can talk to your

sister again about delaying it till he shows no signs of autism.

We cannot force our decision as it is their child but we sure can pray for

the little one

regards

Laila

From: Concerned Parent <parentwithconcerns@

<mailto:parentwithconcerns%40> >

Subject: Re: [ ] X-post - Venting and need help with book

suggestions

@ <mailto: %40>

Received: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 2:30 PM

what about " Evidence of Harm: Mercury in Vaccines and the Autism Epidemic: A

Medical Controversy by Kirby "

I haven't read it yet...I just bought it.

PWC

____________ _________ _________ __

From: G <luckylotptd (DOT) net>

Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 1:42:30 PM

Subject: [ ] X-post - Venting and need help with book

suggestions

Hi everyone, I I also posted this on the Recovery group, but I want as many

opinions as possible. The reason I am writing, is because I have a little

sister who just had her first baby boy by emergency c-section at 34 weeks

gestation two weeks ago. She had NO amniotic fluid and was having severe

swelling and high blood pressure linked to pre-eclempsia. The doctor said

that something went wrong with the placenta, after the delivery, but I am

not sure what.

So here is my concern....we have the genetics that equate to autism, she has

a mouth full of silver, she definitely reacts to foods, many of them but she

does nothing about it, she has diarrhea, constipation, bloating, yeast

infections, mood swings like CRAAAAZY, major PMS symptoms that put her in

bed for days each month, she now craves sugar when she never even liked it

before, she doesn't eat enough protein, she went against my advice and got

the H1N1 vaccine WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT!! I convinced her not to vaccinate

the baby, BUT now I am hearing that while in the hospital, the father of the

baby was pushing REALLY hard and even fought with my other sister about it

pretty badly, so now I don't know if they vaccinated this itty bitty teeny

weeny under 4 pound baby before he went home!! I'm sure she wouldn't tell me

if they did, because she knows how strongly I feel about it, especially for

such a tiny infant who won't even be in daycare. He was doing

great though, never needed help breathing, latches on well and other than

the usual can't-keep-the- newborn-awake- to-finish- nursing syndrome, he is

doing fabulously. The hospital even gave him probiotics since his first day

of birth, kudos to the hospital!! So now here is my concern, they are

supplementing him (they meaning the hospital is suggesting it and my sister

is following the rules) with preemie formula for added weight gain. I don't

know what is in that stuff, but from my experience with other formulas, I'm

assuming it includes all types of corn syrups, cow's milk proteins, soy

proteins, flavorings, etc...am I right? This once very calm and mellow baby

is now about 2 weeks old and is becoming fussy (not crying, as she puts it)

and she thinks he needs to poop. I feel like that might be a sign of

something digestive going on. She is giving him probiotics that I

recommended, (dairy free, GI proHealth) but I fear that the formula or even

something in her diet could be the problem. How on earth do you teach a very

defiant little sister how to prevent these issues that run rampant in our

family? We have depression, allergies, OCD, ADD, alcoholism and then my kids

who have major GI issues, my oldest just possibly missing the diagnosis of

aspergers (as long as we keep on the path we are on), but has SPD....the

list goes on. I would get her a book to reference, but they all cram autism

down your throat and that isn't the way to teach prevention, although I

understand that is the possible ultimate demise of a child who isn't well,

but I just don't think her or the father of the baby would take that

seriously. Everyone believes it is genetic and that there is nothing you can

do about that. In fact, my other sister has already told them both that he

thinks I stretch the facts in my situation with my boys when in fact, the

truth is that I don't really even share it all with them, how bad it can

be. I already bought her a book on vaccines, I share every link I can find

on the details of what causes these issues and even the fact that boys are

more effected. I don't want to cause her first experience to be riddled with

stress and confusion either, but I also know that it's those feelings that

drive us warrior moms to do what we do...so I want to tread lightly, but I

really am VERY worried about this baby's ability to be healthy, if they

don't take these things seriously. They have an opportunity right now, in

front of them, to keep this baby as healthy as possible, but the father of

the baby is a true roadblock! He has two other kids who aren't entirely

" right " either and he feeds them crap like lolly pops before bed or upon

waking, ice cream every night in front of the tv, I think you probably get

my point. Are there any books or sites that come to mind when you think of

what you wish you knew " before " it all started for you? Is it even

possible to get someone on board for prevention when they truly just don't

know how bad it can get? I live states away from them and this particular

sister has never seen the worst of my kid's situation, but my other sister

has. She has tried talking to her too, from her own experiences here with

us. That is when her fight ensued with the father of the baby about how I am

making these things up. I don't know what else to do, I just care too much I

think!