Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 In a message dated 2/21/2001 6:31:57 PM Central Standard Time, Quartz987@... writes: Hi All, I am wondering if some people (according to blood type) suffer more from dental fillings that contain mercury than other people. My own system (I am type O) has always been very reactive to many environmental allergens as well as to many natural ones (including the wrong foods). I will be undergoing quite a bit of dental work starting today and hope to get some input on this. I had read somewhere that melatonin provides some cellular protection against x-rays and made sure to take some before the dental x-rays they took last week. I didn't want them to take x-rays but they insisted that there is no alternative to finding "ALL" of my POSSIBLE cavities. Any input ? Thanks ! Jim Hi Jim Melatonin is very dangerous if not taken under the supervision of a health care practitioner who knows something about it. When first on the market, it needed to be reformulated (I forget why but I could probably look it up) and to my knowledge that hasn't been done. I know nothing about dental fillings and melotonin. And no, there's no way to get around the xrays either (speaking as one who just had 9 fillings). I found an interesting site that talks about why some people are more cavity prone than others Homepathy and Dentistry Keeps You Smiling- Dana Ullman, M.P.H. I ALWAYS GET MY TEETH FILLED COMPOSITE rather than silver amalgam, despite the additional cost, because silver amalgam contains mercury and mercury is poisonous. HTH, TABITHA SCHAFFER, TabMTBC@... See my listings at http://www.amazon.com/shops/mls1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 According to Dr. D'Adamo, non-secretors get more cavities. I am a non-secretor and for me this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 , or anyone, Do you know if other seaweeds have pretty much the same properties as kelp? like say, sea palm or hijiki or nori, or kombu?? I noticed that Dr. D. makes a point of which source of bladderwrack ER4YT sells.....is bladderwrack a kelp or some other kind of seaweed? anyway....there are many many recipies for using seaweed in cooking and one of our local people who gathers and sells it in a business here has a small cookbook out, and they sell seaweeds by the pound, if anyone is interested......this is from the northern coast of California, which is pretty clean. love, jaen At 5:49 PM -0700 2/21/01, tenzin wrote: > I always have read/heard that kelp helps protect from radiation poisoning, and supposedly removes strontium 90. It has been recommended that anyone going to get X-rays would do well to build up their body with kelp for some time beforehand. I also have read/heard that black and green tea also will do much the same thing. Don't know how valid this information is, but is has been in alternative health circles for decades. I would make the leap of faith that it could help with mercury exposure as well, but I could be totally off-based there. The easiest way to take kelp is in capsules (let's not discuss gelatin here -smile) of 600 ct. each, taken 2 or 3 times a day. When I get too much kelp, my skin starts to break out. Don't know anyone else with this reaction, but thought I would mention it. But that is when I take a tablespoon a day of powdered kelp in water for long periods of time -- most people aren't nutty enough to do that (try it and you will see why I say that -- it takes a certain strange type of courage to get that down, but sure makes you feel good). Tiger Medicine Tucson ---- Original Message ----- From: Quartz987webtv (DOT) net <mailto: > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: fillings > Jaen Treesinger Bengals from the RainForest ........amazingly smart, incredibly fast and just gorgeous! Check out new pictures on our website at: http://www.bengal-cat.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 I don't know anything about any of them except kelp. Look forward to learning what others may know! ---- Original Message ----- From: Jaen Treesinger Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: fillings , or anyone,Do you know if other seaweeds have pretty much the same properties as kelp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Hello Liz, I don't know where you're located, but I believe it would be well worth your while to get on the phone and locate a " biological dentist " , one who looks at the teeth from an " energetic " viewpoint. The " white ones " are typically better than the amalgam, but some not a whole lot. I feel that many are still quite toxic and having constant contact with them can create some real problems. I had an amalgam filling removed by a dentist who was unaware and had to have the " white " filling he put in removed. I know of several other people who experienced this also. We're used to traveling 3-4 hours to see a biological dentist and would go a lot further if needed. As time goes on holistic practitioners are realizing a LOT of disease starts in the mouth from toxic dental work as well as the colon. Making sure he has non toxic dental work will be a real help to his immune system as he grows up. It is the chronic low dose exposeres that usually get us. stevku@... wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Today my son went to the dentist and found out that he had his first > cavity. It really upset me because my first thought was they aren't going > to put mercury into my son's mouth. So I called the dentist office and > asked them if they only used mercury fillings. I was told that they use > mercury or what the receptionist called white ones. Does anyone know what > she meant by white ones? Are they safe? > > Thanks!!! > Liz K. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Hi , What would I look up in the phone book? Biological dentist? Thanks!!!! Liz K. (by the way, I'm in Cinti. Ohio) > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Today my son went to the dentist and found out that he had his first > > cavity. It really upset me because my first thought was they aren't going > > to put mercury into my son's mouth. So I called the dentist office and > > asked them if they only used mercury fillings. I was told that they use > > mercury or what the receptionist called white ones. Does anyone know what > > she meant by white ones? Are they safe? > > > > Thanks!!! > > Liz K. > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Hi Liz, In a city as big as that there just has to be at least one there! I'd look under dentist and read the ads looking for holistic terms. When you find them call and ask if they look at the teeth energetically. When I do this if they don't know what I am talking about I thank them for their time, hang up and look elsewhere. Ecological dentist is another term which may be used. You also could call Dr. Stephan in Spokane, WA and ask how to find one where you are. He is a biological dentist and someone in his office should be able to head you in the right direction. 509-325-2051 Best of luck. Let me know how you do. stevku@... wrote: > Hi , > > What would I look up in the phone book? Biological dentist? > > Thanks!!!! > Liz K. (by the way, I'm in Cinti. Ohio) > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > Today my son went to the dentist and found out that he had his > first > > > cavity. It really upset me because my first thought was they > aren't going > > > to put mercury into my son's mouth. So I called the dentist > office and > > > asked them if they only used mercury fillings. I was told that > they use > > > mercury or what the receptionist called white ones. Does anyone > know what > > > she meant by white ones? Are they safe? > > > > > > Thanks!!! > > > Liz K. > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2001 Report Share Posted June 1, 2001 WOW!! Cincinnati!! That's where I'm from. Don't know any holistic dentists but I know a great complimentary doctor in Forest Park if you ever need one! Barbara " Who sure misses skyline chili " > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > Today my son went to the dentist and found out that he had his > first > > > cavity. It really upset me because my first thought was they > aren't going > > > to put mercury into my son's mouth. So I called the dentist > office and > > > asked them if they only used mercury fillings. I was told that > they use > > > mercury or what the receptionist called white ones. Does anyone > know what > > > she meant by white ones? Are they safe? > > > > > > Thanks!!! > > > Liz K. > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2001 Report Share Posted June 1, 2001 Hi Barbara, As a matter of fact my sister is looking for a good alternative medicine doctor. What's the doctor's name and where is he/ she at in Forest Park? Where are you at in Cinti? I live near Mason. Thanks!!!! Liz Kuhr ------ > WOW!! Cincinnati!! That's where I'm from. Don't know any holistic > dentists but I know a great complimentary doctor in Forest Park if you > ever need one! > > Barbara > " Who sure misses skyline chili " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 Hi Liz, I don't live in Cincy anymore, I live in Holland. Before moving here I was living in Finneytown. My mother's family comes from west chester so I know where Mason is. When I went back to cincy last summer for vacation, I got very sick...was sick in Holland as well but it got worse when I went home. I found Dr. Macheret and he was wonderful! He listened to me and made me feel like I wasnt crazy. He told me I was a victim of antibiotics (had 4 rounds of them) and detoxed me using IVs. He also gave me nystatin for the yeast. Best thing about him is that he did all of this on trust. I explained my situation...that I was on vacation from Holland and asked him if he could bill my insurance in Holland and he said ok...no other doctor I contacted would do that. It made me feel good to know he was more interested in me than my money. Anyway, he was wonderful. He ran all the 'normal' blood tests on me to rule everything and then used alternative methods to build my body back up. He's in Forest Park right near 275 by the cinemas. I hope your sister has as much success with him as I did. His number is (513) 851-8790. Barbara > > WOW!! Cincinnati!! That's where I'm from. Don't know any holistic > > dentists but I know a great complimentary doctor in Forest Park if > you > > ever need one! > > > > Barbara > > " Who sure misses skyline chili " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Hi Marni, They have not stopped using them but you can now get other types such as composite and porcelain which do not have the mercury in them. Mercury free dentists now use these types of fillings. TK > When did they stop using amalgam fillings? I'm 34 and have a whole > mouth full of (what I think is) silver that I've had since I got my > permanent teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 > > >They have not stopped using them but you can now get other types >such as composite and porcelain which do not have the mercury in >them. > Hmm....is there anyway to know without asking the dentist who put them in? I've have fillings in all my molars and 2 crowns on 2 molars that used to have fillings. This is over a span of at least 20 years and who knows how many dentists. -- " My dog isn't stubborn, he's just smarter than me! " - maf Marni Fowler (and Jester & 4 - CGC) Gainesville, FL APDT #5372P exp. 12/03 http://www.classactfordogs.com BARF Shirts! => http://www.nicasdreams.freeservers.com Ask me about health food for pets http://www.raw4dogs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Try reading some of this information.... http://www.curezone.org/dental/amalgampage.asp http://curezone.com/diseases/cancer/cancer_dental_risk.html Rez PS> And this is for everyone who likes to have healthy teeth http://www.saveyourteeth.com/Thesecret.htm ----Original Message Follows---- From: Marni Fowler <nicasdreamjester@...> Reply-candidiasis candidiasis Subject: Fillings Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:44:50 -0400 When did they stop using amalgam fillings? I'm 34 and have a whole mouth full of (what I think is) silver that I've had since I got my permanent teeth. -- " My dog isn't stubborn, he's just smarter than me! " - maf Marni Fowler (and Jester & 4 - CGC) Gainesville, FL APDT #5372P exp. 12/03 http://www.classactfordogs.com BARF Shirts! => http://www.nicasdreams.freeservers.com Ask me about health food for pets http://www.raw4dogs.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 My wife Sue probably would NOT have had electrosensitivity if she had not had her mercury fillings removed. So we would say, be very very careful, and think about what else may be wrong with your body before you try anything major like amalgam removal! This is what happened (sorry to those who have seen our case history before) 1. Sue became ill with various chronic illness symptoms, severe headaches etc. Mercury seemed a likely cause. 2. She had her 4 amalgam fillings removed in the " approved " manner with a rubber dam - but she thought it might have slipped during the removal of the first one. 3. She suffered a burning sensation in the throat immediately afterwards, many symptoms got worse and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS) increased. 4. She had a scan with an " Oberon " machine (microwaves at 4 GHz) which suggested liver problems, but also directly triggered tinnitus/buzzing in her head, which has got steadily worse ever since. This is her main ES symptom and is definitely exacerbated by power lines, plugs/sockets, computers, mobiles/cordless phones, etc. 5. Later specialist tests showed that her immune system was badly run down, with 2 of the 4 " Phase 2 liver detoxification pathways " not working - sulphation and glucuronidation (Gilbert's disease). This had put too much load on the other pathways and as a result her glutathione had got very low, leaving her with no resistance. 6. IV glutathione and other drips have helped her and the MCS has decreased sharply, but we are still left with the electrosensitivity which is not getting any better. 7. She suffers a bad reaction if she tries to detox with most of the standard methods e.g. alpha-lipoic acid, NDF. We're not sure exactly why. 8. A neurological antibodies test has shown high IgM which means that a problem has developed in the last year. This would either have been because of the amalgam removal, or the Oberon machine, or both. Net result - her autoimmune system appears to be attacking the myelin sheath round her nerves, hence the ES. So we would say that before attempting any amalgam removal, try to check whether the rest of your system is reasonably OK. If you are low on key chemicals like glutathione, your immune system may not be able to cope with the extra load imposed by amalgam removal. However carefully it is done, with rubber dam and all recommended precautions, there is always likely to be a transient high load of mercury. Vapour is much more mobile and more difficult to contain than the small amount of mercury which gradually leaches from fillings. In our case, we feel sure that if we had identified the liver detox problems earlier, and either not removed Sue's amalgams or had lots of glutathione first and then removed with a strict detox/supplement protocol (though dentists disagree over which one), she would almost certainly not have her ES today. Of course the Oberon machine was the direct cause, but we feel that Sue's immune system was so low by then (after the extra load from the amalgam removal) that almost anything could have set it off. Obviously the situation is different for people who already have ES, but I think we would still say - be very careful, amalgam removal is not benign, and too many websites/articles don't seem to mention the risks. Best wishes, Ian and Sue Kemp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 > 7. She suffers a bad reaction if she tries to detox with most of the > standard methods e.g. alpha-lipoic acid, NDF. Yeah, I often get bad reactions from trying to detox heavy metals using products which are advertised as heavy metal chelators. Lately I've been experimenting with two products -- " mercury magnet " from cocoon nutrition and activated charcoal. Both of them claim not to go into the bloodstream, which makes them more passive than typical chelators. I haven't taken enough of either to reach any conclusions -- I certainly react to both of them in more or less the same way, and the reaction seems tolerable as long as I space the doses out to every 72 hours. Certainly more tolerable than NDF or PCA-Rx. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hi all! Before I start ranting, I want to say that most of what I say is gathered from the book Amalgam Illness by Hall Cutler. And personal experience. My only motivation is better healt for all! > My wife Sue probably would NOT have had electrosensitivity if she had not had her mercury fillings removed. RGO - This is common and happened to me too in that it aggravated the sensitivity I already had. So now we KNOW its dangerous and toxic. Since amalgam is an godsend gift for the diseasecare industry I dont want it in my mouth. It causes a myriad of health problems not connected to amalgam by mainstream doctors. > So we would say, be very very careful, and think about what else may be wrong with your body before you try anything major like amalgam removal! > 1. Sue became ill with various chronic illness symptoms, severe headaches etc. Mercury seemed a likely cause. RGO - Hadn't she removed the amalgam she would have been lost. IMHO. > 2. She had her 4 amalgam fillings removed in the " approved " manner with a rubber dam - but she thought it might have slipped during the removal of the first one. 4 amalgam fillings is very little. She might be allergic. There are tests to see if this is trhe case, MELISA, VEGA. > 3. She suffered a burning sensation in the throat immediately afterwards, many symptoms got worse and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS) increased. 4 Days after removal of the LAST amalgam filling DMSA can be taken to hinder redistribution of mercury to the brain and lessen symptoms. > 4. She had a scan with an " Oberon " machine (microwaves at 4 GHz) which suggested liver problems, RGO - Liver problems is common from amalgam fillings, but all organs in the body is affected by the mercury. > but also directly triggered tinnitus/buzzing in her head, which has got steadily worse ever since. This is her main ES symptom and is definitely exacerbated by power lines, plugs/sockets, computers, mobiles/cordless phones, etc. RGO - Maybe she hears a kind of ringing or highpitched tone too? How many mercury toxic people have I met with those symptoms. At least I dont have fingers enough to count them. DMSA detox and decrease sensitivity. For the body to repair other things are probably necessary too. (EFA, GLA, vit E, zink, magnesium, vit C) > 5. Later specialist tests showed that her immune system was badly run down, with 2 of the 4 " Phase 2 liver detoxification pathways " not working - sulphation and glucuronidation (Gilbert's disease). This had put too much load on the other pathways and as a result her glutathione had got very low, leaving her with no resistance. RGO - There are ways to boost the pathways, at least the sulphation. You gave me the incitament to try this. The glucuronidation may be 'genetic' they say, but is probably enhanced with the right diet as is everything else. > 6. IV glutathione and other drips have helped her and the MCS has decreased sharply, but we are still left with the electrosensitivity which is not getting any better. Its possible that IV gluthation mobilizes and redistributes mercury to the brain. Oral gluthaion does. The cells of the body manufacture gluthation themselves. For this to take place there mustnt be a deficiency of selenium, cysteine and whatever it were. Hrm, do a search. Sorry. > 7. She suffers a bad reaction if she tries to detox with most of the standard methods e.g. alpha-lipoic acid, NDF. We're not sure exactly why. ALA, alpha lipoic acid MUST NOT be used until the fast-moving pools of mercury has decreaseed by 80 percent or so. That is after 3-4 months after amalgam removal AND the correct use of DMSA or DMPS. Mercury will be transported into the brain otherwise. This will also happen if you take ALA in the wrong way. Do NOT take dmsa or dmps IV!!! Orally every 3rd hour around the clock preferrably together with DMSA and antioxidants. (ALA crosses the blood brain barrier and therefor can detox the brain, while DMSA doesnt cross the BBB and therefor cannot detox the brain or intracellular mercury bound inside cells to microsomes, mitocondries and so on.) Microsomes is the cells detox department, mitocondries is the energy factory. Not only the cell has a cellmembrane but these guys too. Detox these, heal the membranes. Fishoil, linseed oil, olive oil and some oil with omega 6. Phospahtidyl choline. Did someone say GLA and Inositol? Without detox it wont work. Mercury in the brain has a halftime of maybe 25 years! > 8. A neurological antibodies test has shown high IgM which means that a problem has developed in the last year. This would either have been because of the amalgam removal, or the Oberon machine, or both. Net result - her autoimmune system appears to be attacking the myelin sheath round her nerves, hence the ES. RGO - Get the mercury out of the nervous system? Btw, homeopathic detox mobilizes mercury and some goes to the brain. This vastly increased my ES over a couple of months. Chlorella has the same effect, but slower, as do MSM after a while as do sulphur foods for many people. If you want a great time listening to tinnitus, take a few drops of choriander tincture. Why? It strongly mobilizes mercury but doesnt bind and excrete enough, hencee into the brain and nervous system it goes. > So we would say that before attempting any amalgam removal, try to check whether the rest of your system is reasonably OK. If you are low on key chemicals like glutathione, your immune system may not be able to cope with the extra load imposed by amalgam removal. RGO - Yeah, you can say that twice. > However carefully it is done, with rubber dam and all recommended precautions, there is always likely to be a transient high load of mercury. Vapour is much more mobile and more difficult to contain than the small amount of mercury which gradually leaches from fillings. RGO - My removal was done by a leading paradontolog and expert in amalgam removal since 20 years back. > In our case, we feel sure that if we had identified the liver detox problems earlier, and either not removed Sue's amalgams or had lots of glutathione first and then removed with a strict detox/supplement protocol (though dentists disagree over which one), she would almost certainly not have her ES today. RGO - This is a very very interesting forum! I found it just now! You cannot be sure that anything you had done had stopped her from getting ES. But you can be pretty sure she will have less a problem with ES if she detox mercury followin a proper protocol. This is called chelating and is potentially dangerous too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 > .... > ALA, alpha lipoic acid MUST NOT be used until the fast-moving pools > of mercury has decreaseed by 80 percent or so. That is after 3-4 > months after amalgam removal AND the correct use of DMSA or DMPS. > Mercury will be transported into the brain otherwise. This will also > happen if you take ALA in the wrong way. Do NOT take dmsa or dmps > IV!!! Orally every 3rd hour around the clock preferrably together > with DMSA and antioxidants. (ALA crosses the blood brain barrier and > therefor can detox the brain, while DMSA doesnt cross the BBB and > therefor cannot detox the brain or intracellular mercury bound > inside cells to microsomes, mitocondries and so on.) Microsomes is > the cells detox department, mitocondries is the energy factory. > Not only the cell has a cellmembrane but these guys too. Detox > these, heal the membranes. Fishoil, linseed oil, olive oil and some > oil with omega 6. Phospahtidyl choline. Did someone say GLA and > Inositol? Without detox it wont work. Mercury in the brain has a > halftime of maybe 25 years! > I'm getting somewhat worried. I sense intuitively that it might be correct. Amalgam removal and no supplement might not be enough. For my personal case, I just took modifilan a bit before and during the beginning of the removal phase. A few months ago. That's it. Therefore I worried for my brain. When I had the mercury fillings removed I could sense a big improvement, but nowadays, it has faded, maybe I feel a bit stronger, especially with less headache when I'm sick for example. That's it. So I'm interested in learning about additional mercury detox supplements, if it doesn't sound too risky. jean (jean is a male french first name) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 > So I'm interested in learning about additional mercury detox > supplements, if it doesn't sound too risky. You might want to look at taking capsules of activated charcoal -- that doesn't sound very risky, and should bind to toxins that are dumped from your liver into your intestines, and prevent them from reentering the bloodstream. Also, I diet high in antioxidants will help you detox mercury. That would include lots of vegetables and fruits, preferably uncooked. Also, I remember reading years ago that someone successfully detoxed from eating 6 eggs per day! So that sounds pretty simple (although you may get sick of eating eggs). And to prevent unpleasant detox symptoms, one should always use a smaller dosage at first, and ramp up over time to the sustained dosage. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thanks Marc, it's interesting advices. I'll think about taking activated charcoal. Mind I was over with the removal of my amalgams last June. So already 3 months. Also the vegetable and fruits advice, yes, for working class people in France, it's still a problem, I don't eat enough of those. But yeah, eggs, as a matter of fact lately I ate up to 3 eggs a day, some days. Organic eggs, cause I get sick with non organic eggs, it's not that expensive. But no way I'm gonna eat more that 3 or 4, unless I get really convinced of the effect. Coincidentally today, I checked the vitamin A, and saw that eggs are a good source for it. By the way I saw on the TV news today that there's been a decision (or just a commision advice ?) to fix at 300 meters the safe distance for cell masts. Less than 300 meters would need a special permit in the urban areas. I guess the ones at 100 meters from my place will stay though. jean [jean is a male first name in France] > > So I'm interested in learning about additional mercury detox > > supplements, if it doesn't sound too risky. > > You might want to look at taking capsules of activated > charcoal -- that doesn't sound very risky, and should > bind to toxins that are dumped from your liver into > your intestines, and prevent them from reentering the > bloodstream. > > Also, I diet high in antioxidants will help you detox > mercury. That would include lots of vegetables and > fruits, preferably uncooked. > > Also, I remember reading years ago that someone > successfully detoxed from eating 6 eggs per day! So that > sounds pretty simple (although you may get sick of eating > eggs). > > And to prevent unpleasant detox symptoms, one should > always use a smaller dosage at first, and ramp up over > time to the sustained dosage. > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 > Thanks Marc, it's interesting advices. I'll think about taking > activated charcoal. Mind I was over with the removal of my amalgams > last June. So already 3 months. I had my fillings removed over 4 years ago, but I still have detox symptoms when taking mercury chelators. Some say that you can spend decades detoxing mercury out of your system, but you can certainly start feeling better a lot sooner than that. The activated charcoal I've been experimenting with is called Hangover Stopper (!) (http://www.hangoverstopper.com) . Although they recommend taking up to 12 capsules each day for general detox, I find that I get detox symptoms from just 1 capsule a day. > Also the vegetable and fruits advice, yes, for working class people > in France, it's still a problem, I don't eat enough of those. Apples are pretty easy to eat, although I find that they do increase my ES symptoms just a little. I still eat 1 or 2 a day, though. > But yeah, eggs, as a matter of fact lately I ate up to 3 eggs a day, > some days. Organic eggs, cause I get sick with non organic eggs, > it's not that expensive. But no way I'm gonna eat more that 3 or 4, > unless I get really convinced of the effect. Also note that some people advocate eating eggs RAW, so that you get the maximum nutritional benefit from them. Apparently the concern over getting a bacterial infection is overstated and also much reduced if you eat organic eggs. My interest in eggs lately is because the yolks have a lot of inositol and choline in them, and I've already found that inositol capsules reduce my sensitivity (and choline and inositol are important components of the brain and nervous system) Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 > 1. Sue has been on myriads of supplements for years with virtually no obvious benefit (and considerable expense) RGO - I didnt find anything either. That could counteract the mercury I mean. Ok, mega doses of vit-C gave me a little more energy. Selenium cleared the head quite a bit, Acetylcystein increased the energy even more. But still, something was very very wrong. Chelating is whats making me better and better. Actually, I have never in my life felt a mental clarity like this. Had I only been like this when I studied. :-) > It was as if nothing was getting through to the bloodstream. We have finally had a " leaky gut " test done and this suggests that permeability is high and nutrients aren't being absorbed properly RGO - Leaky gut is food sensitivities just waiting to happen, in the long run " arthritis " , " Lupus " and other nasties can follow. I was surprised to find I suddenly didnt tolerate wheat! I'm already cheating with L-Glutamine, thats a kicker. Besides helping to heal the gut it also gives plenty mental energy. A leaky gut is coming up next. For healing leaky gut, check out MD Sherry , she goes in the forefront of REAL doctors. That book is awesome! > No use putting in all the right foods if they just go straight through! RGO - Maybe, but I'm not so sure. It may be the other way around. Deficiencies can bring the cellular detoxification to a halt. I'd juice some vegetables, blend a 50/50 cooked and raw food like Rice/beans/sallat/freash garlic/olive oil/salt. Easier to absorb for the small intestines. Finish off the meal with oils. Anyway, that made a big big difference for me. And digestive enzymes!!! plop one after each meal. > 2. Her sulphation pathway is actually not working - cysteine normal to high, sulphate very low. Therefore, conventional supplementation with cysteine, MSM etc doesn`t work for her because her body won`t convert it. Only discoverable by specific tests. RGO - How to boost Phase II pathways. (Borrowed from Andy Cutlers book) 1)Gluthation conjugation: 4 parts N-acetyl cysteine, 2 parts Glutamine, 1 part Glycine, between meals. 2)Sulfation: Supplement Sulphate and Molybden. 3) Glucuronidation: Reduce insulin resistance with chromium, provide co-factor supplements, increase thyroid levels, reduce inflammation, inflammation lowers rate. 4) Glycination and Taurin conjugation: Supplement glycine or taurine and cofactors. 5) Methylation: supplement methyl donors like Trimethylglycine choline, lecithin, SAMe, (methionine not recommended due to homocystein formation and the need to restrict sulfur foods in some people), and to mobilizethe methyl groups vitamin B-12 and Folate. > 4. There is huge controversy about chelation methods. DMPS, DMSA, EDTA, NDF, ALA, all have their advocates, all have been claimed to give great results for some people, all have been reported by others to give real problems. May well depend on the exact metabolism of the particular person. It is very scary for Sue and all the ones she has tried so far have given her bad reactions. RGO - About chelation methods. I want a consensus to come into being from peoples reports. So I advocate what works for me and hope other people voice their degrees of success with other methods. Finally the problem will probably be solved, given enough time and if people speak up. RGO - About the fear Sue feels. I dont really think there is much to fear from the ALA/DMSA approach. Start with a very small dose and follow the protocol. So many have done this. Its the IV method that hurts people. The important thing is to really know the protocol. All the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 > RGO - About chelation methods. I want a consensus to come into being > from peoples reports. So I advocate what works for me and hope other > people voice their degrees of success with other methods. Finally > the problem will probably be solved, given enough time and if people > speak up. I don't think you'll ever find that consensus. I've been on a heavy metals discussion group for 4 years, and repeatedly found that one chelator that works greats for one person can harm another. And people have felt more horrible than they ever felt in their life from the smallest dose of a single DMSA pill, so one cannot view DMSA/ALA as the " one solution " . My ND was going to put me on DMSA, but I changed doctors and another ND did an energetic compatibility test (ART) with me and various chelators, and determined that I should *not* use DMSA or chlorella, but DMPS, NDF, and PCA-Rx tested fine. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Hi Marc! > I don't think you'll ever find that consensus. Maybe, maybe not, but we will see something. There is loads of good information passing this way and if we collect it, draw some conclusions, who knows? We could make an FAQ of what the members think work best. > I've been on a > heavy metals discussion group for 4 years, and repeatedly found > that RGO - Bah, this group is MUCH better. Trust me, we'll make it. :-) Jokes aside, it would be interesting to know what people believe CAUSED the ES. Its not just electromagnetics and heavy metals. Knowing the probable causes could be helpful. I believe also flame retardants and mold inside the house could be some contributing culprits. one chelator that works greats for one person can harm > another. And people have felt more horrible than they ever > felt in their life from the smallest dose of a single DMSA > pill, so one cannot view DMSA/ALA as the " one solution " . RGO - Marc, I would never say it is. I have no other interest in it than using it to get well. Maybe I should slow down, I dont want to come in and take over the whole group. Hope I have brought somehting to the table though. > My ND was going to put me on DMSA, but I changed doctors RGO - Ok, so you never tried DMSA? Btw, what I can understand, DMSA dont get you well by its own, it boosts the ALA. It doesnt get to the brain mercury or intracellular mercury. This is my own experience too. Pain in internal organs disappeared using ALA but not DMSA. > and another ND did an energetic compatibility test (ART) > with me and various chelators, and determined that I should > *not* use DMSA or chlorella, but DMPS, NDF, and PCA-Rx > tested fine. DMPS is MUCH more expensive, but is supposed to give less symptoms than DMSA. But I get no symptoms from DMSA except at first I got a little pain in the lower back (kidneys maybe) but that disappeared after a few rounds of the ALA/DMSA combination. Maybe some of my progress depends on the fact that I have eaten vey little of the ordinary supermarket food for over three years. I follow a strict but tasty diet. Keep it up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 > RGO - Ok, so you never tried DMSA? That is correct. I can't say that I've tried *every* chelator, because I haven't tried DMSA or DMPS. However, when I read the testimonials from alternative mercury chelators, I notice there are always testimonials from ex-DMSA or ex-DMPS users, who were frustrated at how long it was taking, or how expensive they were, or the side effects. For example, here is a user testimonial for " mercury magnet " , one of the supplements I'm currently experimenting with (and also seem to be compatible with, at a dosage of 1/2 capsule every other day): " I began intravenous chelation therapy with DMPS. It worked but was quite hard on my kidneys. DMSA capsules, orally, worked much better. But after 3.5 years of this I was becoming frustrated and impatient and I wanted another child. It seemed so slow. Then I tried Mercury Magnet and I was amazed and ecstatic to discover that it was many times more potent and many times cheaper than DMSA. It really does work faster. One tiny capsule seems to be equal to at least 500 mg of DMSA. I am feeling better in an accelerated manner, and nearing the end of this long tribulation. " FYI, here is more info on mercury magnet: http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/page_mercury_magnet_NL.php http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/page_mercury_magnet.php But I'm not going to start recommending people try this until I have months of experience with it. But I can tell already that I'm more compatible with this chelator than some of the ones I've tried in the past. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 > > RGO - Ok, so you never tried DMSA? > > That is correct. I can't say that I've tried *every* > chelator, because I haven't tried DMSA or DMPS. However, > when I read the testimonials from alternative mercury > chelators, I notice there are always testimonials from > ex-DMSA or ex-DMPS users, who were frustrated at > how long it was taking, or how expensive they were, > or the side effects. > > For example, here is a user testimonial for " mercury magnet " , > one of the supplements I'm currently experimenting with (and > also seem to be compatible with, at a dosage of 1/2 capsule > every other day): > > " I began intravenous chelation therapy with DMPS. It worked > but was quite hard on my kidneys. DMSA capsules, orally, > worked much better. But after 3.5 years of this I was > becoming frustrated and impatient and I wanted another > child. It seemed so slow. Then I tried Mercury Magnet > and I was amazed and ecstatic to discover that it was > many times more potent and many times cheaper than DMSA. > It really does work faster. One tiny capsule seems to be > equal to at least 500 mg of DMSA. I am feeling better > in an accelerated manner, and nearing the end of this > long tribulation. " > > FYI, here is more info on mercury magnet: > > http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/page_mercury_magnet_NL.php > http://www.cocoonnutrition.org/catalog/page_mercury_magnet.php > > But I'm not going to start recommending people try this > until I have months of experience with it. But I can tell > already that I'm more compatible with this chelator than > some of the ones I've tried in the past. > > Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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