Re: New and needing advise

[Guest guest]

,

Did you really mean you all have been drinking from a well? This is not a

good idea, at all. I grew up drinking from a well and drinking from the

streams and creeks on my family's farm. I remember those good ole days when

this was possible to do from wells and streams fed by underground springs.

Commercial fertilizers ruined this. They have mercury and a host of other

toxins in them. This of course leeches into the underground springs. In

addition, if you have oil or gas pipelines anywhere near your home, they do

leak, and this also leeches into the wells, streams, ponds, rivers.

It is particularly dangerous to fix a baby's formula up using well water.

This can cause a very serious condition - I wish I could recall the name of

it, but it messes with a baby's hemoglobin (I think). Anyway, the baby

would starve for oxygen. I think the treatment for that is ethylene blue,

but I can't trust my memory this early in the morning. Perhaps someone else

would know what I'm talking about?

I gave up drinking well water more than 25 years ago. You might want to

consider buying your drinking water. We have ours delivered every two

months. It is in five gallon glass bottles. Or you could consider a whole

house reverse osmosis filter. There may be others. Perhaps others here

would know.

[Guest guest]

Yep, about 3 years on well water. Our kids were 2 and 4 when we moved to this

place, so they weren't exposed as babies (breast fed anyway...) County water

isn't available. We use lots of sand/carbon filters. We're surrounded by

pasture land and a forest preserve.

I do think we'll get a reverse osmosis filter, but I don't think we'll be

drinking the water again if we can help it. We stopped drinking the water

immediately when we got these test results.

In some ways, I do hope the source of the mercury is the water because that's a

simple fix. If not, we have to figure out where he's getting it. Could be

anything, since everything goes into his mouth. I also read something about

mercury and generic epsom salts...so I wonder about that too.

>

> ,

>

> Did you really mean you all have been drinking from a well? This is not a

> good idea, at all. I grew up drinking from a well and drinking from the

> streams and creeks on my family's farm. I remember those good ole days when

> this was possible to do from wells and streams fed by underground springs.

>

> Commercial fertilizers ruined this. They have mercury and a host of other

> toxins in them. This of course leeches into the underground springs. In

> addition, if you have oil or gas pipelines anywhere near your home, they do

> leak, and this also leeches into the wells, streams, ponds, rivers.

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm more than a little freaked out here. We have always been careful about

limiting our kids' exposure to toxins. But, we have well water, our food is not

100% organic and our son is a pica kid. Chews everything. Legos, erasers,

rubber car wheels, paper, electrical wires.

Give zinc and increase the yeast protocol.

Dana

[Guest guest]

With PICA, I'd look at supplementing zinc.

Has your child had any recent dental work such as amalgam fillings or a vaccine

in the past few months? That could put mercury in his system.

>

> Hello,

>

> My family has been on SCD for almost 2 years and we just got back some test

results from Genova labs. We did a blood test on our oldest and it shows

mercury - .0079, with a ref range of .0039 mcg/g.

>

> I'm more than a little freaked out here. We have always been careful about

limiting our kids' exposure to toxins. But, we have well water, our food is not

100% organic and our son is a pica kid. Chews everything. Legos, erasers,

rubber car wheels, paper, electrical wires.

>

> We're obviously getting the well water tested (from a real lab, not the Lowe's

test kit we used when we built the house!) We're going to do 24 hr urine

collection and test both boys that way next.

>

> Our DAN is suggesting that we try to stop the current exposure and deal with

their yeast/bacteria overgrowth before we do anything about the mercury. I've

read other places that chelation won't work if the gut is a mess, so I guess

this makes sense.

>

> I'm hoping this group will have some additional suggestions for us.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I may have mentioned this before, but I lived on a farm during the first 8

months of my pregnancy with my pdd son. We, too, had well water. We weren't

drinking it because it had turned orange from high iron content. while we were

waiting for spring to dig a new well, we were treating the water with salt for

showers and household use and drinking bottled water. The iron content in the

water was probably high for quite some time before it reached the point of

turning orange. Strange thing is, I tested very low for iron during my

pregnancy - go figure. My son had massive pica when he was younger.

Interesting sidenote: when our lease was up, we moved to a house near a lake.

This was during my last month of pregnancy - we we stayed another year after our

son was born. Of the 7 children that live(d)on that street, three are on the

spectrum, two have behavorial issues and one has chronic seizures. hmmm.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > My family has been on SCD for almost 2 years and we just got back some test

results from Genova labs. We did a blood test on our oldest and it shows

mercury - .0079, with a ref range of .0039 mcg/g.

> >

> > I'm more than a little freaked out here. We have always been careful about

limiting our kids' exposure to toxins. But, we have well water, our food is not

100% organic and our son is a pica kid. Chews everything. Legos, erasers,

rubber car wheels, paper, electrical wires.

> >

> > We're obviously getting the well water tested (from a real lab, not the

Lowe's test kit we used when we built the house!) We're going to do 24 hr urine

collection and test both boys that way next.

> >

> > Our DAN is suggesting that we try to stop the current exposure and deal with

their yeast/bacteria overgrowth before we do anything about the mercury. I've

read other places that chelation won't work if the gut is a mess, so I guess

this makes sense.

> >

> > I'm hoping this group will have some additional suggestions for us.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your ideas everybody. No recent dental work or vaccine. We've tried

zinc and it really had no effect on the pica. It would be worth another try,

maybe at a higher dose this time. I'm looking at a chart in Judy Converse's

book that says pica can be cause by toxic levels of lead or mercury. If he

can't stop chewing, we may have to give him chewing gum...which is not SCD

legal. But really, a negative gut reaction is better than mercury.

Thanks,

>

> With PICA, I'd look at supplementing zinc.

>

> Has your child had any recent dental work such as amalgam fillings or a

vaccine in the past few months? That could put mercury in his system.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Have you ever had plasma zinc levels tested? Same with iron profile bloodwork.

Deficiencies in both are the ones associated with PICA in research and the

theory is the deficiencies cause PICA and not that PICA results in the

deficiencies.

Sometimes the type of zinc supplement used makes a difference. I don't know

what you tried, but zinc picolinate was what worked here. Our situation wasn't

too bad, but the help from zinc was remarkable and fairly immediate at maybe

20-30mgs/day (can't remember). Also, give the amount in several doses over the

day; not all at once, for best absorption.

What testing has been done on your child for lead and mercury? I'd probably get

a DDI Hair Elements test to look at other minerals/elements.

I have also read that PICA might be related to decreased levels of dopamine in

the brain. I think what some have proposed is that these non-food items somehow

give kids that feel-good rush from an increase in dopamine and they then seek

out those items? Not well understood, but worth looking in to since

neurotransmitters are an interesting part of the spectrum (though high levels

are associated with Autism).

So many 'reasons' to investigate!

And, just another thought: does your son consume soy, peanuts or legumes in

high amounts (raw or unroasted)? I don't know much about SCD. The phyates in

unfermented soy can greatly affect mineral absorption (binding to them) of zinc,

magnesium and iron which might be either behind the PICA or making it worse.

Pam

> >

> > With PICA, I'd look at supplementing zinc.

> >

> > Has your child had any recent dental work such as amalgam fillings or a

vaccine in the past few months? That could put mercury in his system.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

Those are some great ideas. The bloodwork we recently did shows that his zinc

is on the low end of normal. Doesn't show anything about iron, but the OAT

markers don't indicate a need for iron. Our kids don't eat soy, peanuts or

legumes on SCD... but they do get a fair amount of almonds and pecans. I roast

them so that may decrease the phytate levels somewhat. It's an idea though.

I don't think the zinc we tried was picolinate. We will try that too.

Interesting about the dopamine. His OAT showed high Homovanillic Acid, which

indicates something is wrong with his dopamine.

The hair test sounds like a good idea. Their tests showed super high yeast and

bacteria and the neurotransmitter problems and mercury. We have so many things

to address, it's hard to know what to do first. Mercury seems like the most

logical first step, because it might be the reason for the other problems.

>

> ,

>

> Have you ever had plasma zinc levels tested? Same with iron profile

bloodwork. Deficiencies in both are the ones associated with PICA in research

and the theory is the deficiencies cause PICA and not that PICA results in the

deficiencies.

>

> Sometimes the type of zinc supplement used makes a difference. I don't know

what you tried, but zinc picolinate was what worked here. Our situation wasn't

too bad, but the help from zinc was remarkable and fairly immediate at maybe

20-30mgs/day (can't remember). Also, give the amount in several doses over the

day; not all at once, for best absorption.

>

> What testing has been done on your child for lead and mercury? I'd probably

get a DDI Hair Elements test to look at other minerals/elements.

>

> I have also read that PICA might be related to decreased levels of dopamine in

the brain. I think what some have proposed is that these non-food items somehow

give kids that feel-good rush from an increase in dopamine and they then seek

out those items? Not well understood, but worth looking in to since

neurotransmitters are an interesting part of the spectrum (though high levels

are associated with Autism).

>

> So many 'reasons' to investigate!

>

> And, just another thought: does your son consume soy, peanuts or legumes in

high amounts (raw or unroasted)? I don't know much about SCD. The phyates in

unfermented soy can greatly affect mineral absorption (binding to them) of zinc,

magnesium and iron which might be either behind the PICA or making it worse.

>

> Pam

[Guest guest]

You will never repair the gut until you get the mercury out. It is the cause of

the gut problem.

These guys have it backwards. I guess their high dose protocol will not work

with gut problems. Maybe that's why they are not recovering any children.

You can do AC protocol chelation. It's safe and effective.

TJ

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From: kbverrill99 <kristin.verrill@...>

Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 5:15:27 AM

Subject: [ ] New and needing advise

Hello,

My family has been on SCD for almost 2 years and we just got back some test

results from Genova labs. We did a blood test on our oldest and it shows

mercury - .0079, with a ref range of .0039 mcg/g.

I'm more than a little freaked out here. We have always been careful about

limiting our kids' exposure to toxins. But, we have well water, our food is not

100% organic and our son is a pica kid. Chews everything. Legos, erasers,

rubber car wheels, paper, electrical wires.

We're obviously getting the well water tested (from a real lab, not the Lowe's

test kit we used when we built the house!) We're going to do 24 hr urine

collection and test both boys that way next.

Our DAN is suggesting that we try to stop the current exposure and deal with

their yeast/bacteria overgrowth before we do anything about the mercury. I've

read other places that chelation won't work if the gut is a mess, so I guess

this makes sense.

I'm hoping this group will have some additional suggestions for us.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome to the list. Do you or your kids have any mercury amalgam dental

fillings? Have they been vaccinated? Check www.danasview.net/metals for

sources of exposure.

S S

New and needing advise

Posted by: " kbverrill99 " kristin.verrill@... kbverrill99

Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:15 am (PDT)

Hello,

My family has been on SCD for almost 2 years and we just got back some test

results from Genova labs. We did a blood test on our oldest and it shows mercury

- .0079, with a ref range of .0039 mcg/g.

I'm more than a little freaked out here. We have always been careful about

limiting our kids' exposure to toxins. But, we have well water, our food is not

100% organic and our son is a pica kid. Chews everything. Legos, erasers, rubber

car wheels, paper, electrical wires.

We're obviously getting the well water tested (from a real lab, not the Lowe's

test kit we used when we built the house!) We're going to do 24 hr urine

collection and test both boys that way next.

Our DAN is suggesting that we try to stop the current exposure and deal with

their yeast/bacteria overgrowth before we do anything about the mercury. I've

read other places that chelation won't work if the gut is a mess, so I guess

this makes sense.

I'm hoping this group will have some additional suggestions for us.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

What form of zinc? Citrate, other?

S S

Re: New and needing advise

Posted by: " Ralitsa Dimitrova " ralitsa76@... ralitsa76

Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:36 am (PDT)

Hello all we do take zinc long time no help at all with chewing stuff arround we

take 1 spoon and half of zink every night would i give more ?