Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

[Guest guest]

I've had Evidence of Harm in our library since the day it came out. He had yet

to read it. He has watched 1 of the Generation Rescue DVDs but I don't think it

made an impact.

I am a bit surprised that more of us on this group haven't had to deal with what

I'm dealing with. Do you have kids too young for the 12 yr shots or are your

spouses either on board with you are unaware of the vaccination status?

Pam

>

> Hi, I would also read : Evidence of Harm by Kirby and A Shot in the

> Dark, by Dr. Harry Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. It is better to educate

> yourself than to jump into something you are having doubts about.. look what

> happened to all of us..

>

>

>

> Corinne

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Haven DeLay

> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:37 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

>

>

>

>

> Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

>

> Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

> hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

> so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

> that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

> can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

> won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

>

> Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

> has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

> every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

> an alternate vaccine schedule.

>

> Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

> vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

> much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

> few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> are.

>

> Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

> exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> vaccine, and it is BAD.

>

> I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> consequences either way.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your reply to my story. No, I haven't tried andy's way

yet although I think it sounds pretty good. Here are my 2 quesitons:

1. How do you do it with a teen who can't swallow pills?

and

2. Is there a concern about depletion of other minerals like calcium and

zinc in doing so. How can I avoid that complication. Seems everything that

can go wrong with anything has with us so now I'm petrified to try anything

for the side effects. Would love some feedback.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

I'm not sure if this will help your case at all but below is a recent interview

with Nobel prize winning scientist and geneticist Dr. Capecchi who says

there is a there's a direct correlation between the immune system function and

behavior including mental illness and autism. He saying the basis for

behaviors that are link to MI is immune  dysfunction. Vaccines by design

provoke an immune response. What impact do the brains immunity- the

microglia? 

 

Sometimes doctors will listen to scientist.  

 

Watch the full interview with Dr. Capecchi on the relationship between immune

system function and mental illness including autism here:

 

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 & sid=10947928

hope this helps,

 

 

From: Pamela H <phaselow@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:53 AM

 

I've had Evidence of Harm in our library since the day it came out. He had yet

to read it. He has watched 1 of the Generation Rescue DVDs but I don't think it

made an impact.

I am a bit surprised that more of us on this group haven't had to deal with what

I'm dealing with. Do you have kids too young for the 12 yr shots or are your

spouses either on board with you are unaware of the vaccination status?

Pam

>

> Hi, I would also read : Evidence of Harm by Kirby and A Shot in the

> Dark, by Dr. Harry Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. It is better to educate

> yourself than to jump into something you are having doubts about.. look what

> happened to all of us..

>

>

>

> Corinne

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Haven DeLay

> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:37 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

>

>

>

>

> Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

>

> Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

> hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

> so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

> that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

> can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

> won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

>

> Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

> has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

> every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

> an alternate vaccine schedule.

>

> Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

> vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

> much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

> few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> are.

>

> Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

> exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> vaccine, and it is BAD.

>

> I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> consequences either way.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

To add to 's post, the Canadian documentary Shots in the Dark (which is

translated into English from the French version) has an interview with a

Canadian scientist who says the same thing as Dr Capecchi - basically that

vaccines can affect microglia activity in the brain.

The documentary page in English is

herehttp://films.nfb.ca/shots-in-the-dark/film-en.php

You may be able to view this in English on youtube or elsewhere (I've seen

excerpts there of the French version so maybe the Eng version is there also).

Don't know if this can help, but I wanted to add that my DH and I have had

differing opinions about subjects that are related to his field of specialty or

to mine and we have never ever acted on our views if the other was totally

uncomfortable or against them. I can't imagine him ever telling me " I'm the

expert on XYZ and I know about this so we'll do it my way " . On pretty much any

subject, we both read up and inform ourselves and respect the other's opinions.

Being married to a Dr makes this subject more challenging, but if I were in your

shoes, I would probably tell my DH that if he acted on today's " prevailing view "

without consideration of my intelligent and reasonable views about the risks of

vaccines for our kids that he should put a slot in his schedule for weekly

marital counseling and perhaps also risk my moving into another room in the

house!

Best of luck to you in working this out.

>

> Hi,

>  

> I'm not sure if this will help your case at all but below is a

recent interview with Nobel prize winning scientist and geneticist Dr.

Capecchi who says there is a there's a direct correlation between the immune

system function and behavior including mental illness and autism. He saying the

basis for behaviors that are link to MI is immune  dysfunction. Vaccines by

design provoke an immune response. What impact do the brains immunity- the

microglia? 

>  

> Sometimes doctors will listen to scientist.  

>  

> Watch the full interview with Dr. Capecchi on the relationship between immune

system function and mental illness including autism here:

>  

> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 & sid=10947928

>

>

> hope this helps,

>  

>

[Guest guest]

You have a uniquely difficult situation it seems. Your youngest is the one with

autism, right? If we had more than one child, and the older ones were NT, I

would have had a similar fight on my hands to yours. I told you my story. Part

2 was that even after we did biomed with our son and agreed not to vax him, my

dh continued to get flu vaxes, saying our son had a " genetic vulnerability " to

the shots, and that we still needed to " protect " ourselves - he was still buying

into the whole system, much like your spouse, who even worse for you is a doc,

and part of the " system " . This went on until he became violently ill from the

shot (a non Hg one no less) one year, and almost appeared as if he was going to

get Guillaume Barre syndrome. It was really scary. I then screamed and said

look - you are going to kill or permanently disable yourself with this nonsense.

Stop the madness, these shots are poisonous to even the most robust of immune

systems. When it happened to him, he finally got it. Although he still will

say to me when his mom in her 80's gets the shot, she needs the protection. I

have to still yell - it is killing her and causing her macular degeneration.

A lot of us here, I think, can't speak for all, may not have your situation of

older NT kids and a doctor spouse holding the party line. Sad to say until it

hits another he loves, like another one of your kids having some sort of

problem, or he himself, like my dh, he may not get it. The medical profession

paints autism as some type of genetic brain disorder, so it enables many like my

dh and yours to do a disconnect and say the shots have nothing to do with this -

this is just the bad luck of the genetic draw. I have to say, even I got one

more flu vax after starting biomed with my son (I had 12 others in a row each

year) - then I got bad health problems myself, started chelating my boy and then

finally hair tested myself, and I had hair Hg in the red. I was forced to wake

up and smell the coffee. The perfidy of the whole thing that I had let my boy

and myself be so poisoned in the name of good preventative medicine - well it

was almost more than I could take in and believe at first. But then I became a

believer and moved on with the task of recovering my boy and myself.

Irene

> >

> > Hi, I would also read : Evidence of Harm by Kirby and A Shot in the

> > Dark, by Dr. Harry Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. It is better to educate

> > yourself than to jump into something you are having doubts about.. look what

> > happened to all of us..

> >

> >

> >

> > Corinne

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: [mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of Haven DeLay

> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:37 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> > amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> > should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> > chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

> >

> > Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

> > hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

> > so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

> > that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

> > can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

> > won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> > have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

> >

> > Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> > Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

> > has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

> > every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

> > an alternate vaccine schedule.

> >

> > Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

> > vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

> > much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

> > few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> > are.

> >

> > Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

> > exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> > vaccine, and it is BAD.

> >

> > I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> > informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> > consequences either way.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

.....more scientific evidence vs vaccines. 

 

 

From s Hopkins:

 

" The main goal of our research on autism is to determine the role of neuroglia

(astrocytes and microglia) and immune mediated responses in pathogenic

mechanisms responsible for autism. "

 

Why study neuroglial and immune reactions in autism?

Current evidence suggests that neurobiological abnormalities in autism are

associated with changes in cytoarchitectural and neuronal organization that may

be determined by genetic, environmental, immunological and toxic factors. Since

neuroglia have central roles during brain development, cortical organization,

neuronal function and immune responses, we hypothesize that neuroglia may

contribute to the pathogenesis of autism in several ways:

 

Neuroglia may be dysfunctional during the process of neuronal organization and

plasticity of cortical and subcortical structures, a change that may contribute

to the neuropathological abnormalities observed in autism.

Neuroglia may react to extrinsic factors, such as systemic immune responses,

toxins or infections, and produce disturbances in the CNS microenvironment that

facilitate the development of immune mediated reactions.

Abnormal neuroglial activation may be present in autistic patients due to

genetic susceptibility to inflammation, a change that can lead to abnormalities

in neuronal-neuroglial interactions.

Neuroglial activation can trigger the development of cellular or humoral immune

responses that lead to neuronal/neuroglial dysfunction.

Systemic immune responses may trigger abnormal pathogenic reactions in neuroglia

Source: http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/neuroimmunopath/autism.htm

 

 

Autistic syndrome (Kanner) and vaccination against smallpox (author's transl)]

[Article in German]

Eggers C.

Abstract

3-4 weeks following an otherwise uncomplicated first vaccination against

smallpox a boy, then aged 15 months and last seen at the age of 5 1/2 years,

gradually developed a complete Kanner syndrome. The question whether vaccination

and early infantile autism might be connected is being discussed. A causal

relationship is considered extremely unlikely. But vaccination is recognized as

having a starter function for the onset of autism.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/944354

 

From: Andree <mam78@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 11:48 AM

 

Hi Pam,

To add to 's post, the Canadian documentary Shots in the Dark (which is

translated into English from the French version) has an interview with a

Canadian scientist who says the same thing as Dr Capecchi - basically that

vaccines can affect microglia activity in the brain.

The documentary page in English is

herehttp://films.nfb.ca/shots-in-the-dark/film-en.php

You may be able to view this in English on youtube or elsewhere (I've seen

excerpts there of the French version so maybe the Eng version is there also).

Don't know if this can help, but I wanted to add that my DH and I have had

differing opinions about subjects that are related to his field of specialty or

to mine and we have never ever acted on our views if the other was totally

uncomfortable or against them. I can't imagine him ever telling me " I'm the

expert on XYZ and I know about this so we'll do it my way " . On pretty much any

subject, we both read up and inform ourselves and respect the other's opinions.

Being married to a Dr makes this subject more challenging, but if I were in your

shoes, I would probably tell my DH that if he acted on today's " prevailing view "

without consideration of my intelligent and reasonable views about the risks of

vaccines for our kids that he should put a slot in his schedule for weekly

marital counseling and perhaps also risk my moving into another room in the

house!

Best of luck to you in working this out.

>

> Hi,

>  

> I'm not sure if this will help your case at all but below is a

recent interview with Nobel prize winning scientist and geneticist Dr.

Capecchi who says there is a there's a direct correlation between the immune

system function and behavior including mental illness and autism. He saying the

basis for behaviors that are link to MI is immune 

dysfunction. Vaccines by design provoke an immune response. What impact

do the brains immunity- the microglia? 

>  

> Sometimes doctors will listen to scientist.  

>  

> Watch the full interview with Dr. Capecchi on the relationship between

immune system function and mental illness including autism here:

>  

> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148 & sid=10947928

>

>

> hope this helps,

>  

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> To add to 's post, the Canadian documentary Shots in the Dark (which is

translated into English from the French version) has an interview with a

Canadian scientist who says the same thing as Dr Capecchi - basically that

vaccines can affect microglia activity in the brain.

FYI, The name of the Dr in the documentary is Serge Rivest and he works in

neuroimmunology. His comments about vaccines potential effects on microglia are

in part 3 of the documentary (see here in French if this helps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzf9oK_DAk0 & feature=related )

His bio is here, impressive I'd say, especially since he is described as

" someone who has consistently resisted prevailing trends " (eg he thinks for

himself ;-) See

www.pole-qca.ca/entreprises/en/support-industry/health-nutrition/researcher-prof\

iles.sergerivest.php

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have been reading the 12 year vaccinethread with interest and I wanted to ask

what people do about entry into thepublic school system.

We recently moved to the States from the UKand my two elder children attend

Public School but only after having a huge rowwith the School Nurse and the

paediatrician. My NT girl was one shot short of the requirements. I’m afraid

to say I gave in because Iwanted my girls to go into the school system. My ASD

daughter is receiving a lot of services and we arevery happy to be here.

My problem is my four year old who hasn’treceived any vaccinations since her

baby shots. There’s no way I want to give her all the shots that arerequired

on the form so she can start Kindergarten next year. What do people do about

exemptions? The School Nurse told me a medicalexemption would be almost

impossible and take months. What about a Religious exemption even though

we’re notparticularly religious?

I’m really worried about this and feel likegetting on a plane back to the UK

but my dh’s job is here and we are very happyapart from this vax subject.

Recentlystarted AC chelation with my seven year old and finding all the posts on

herevery helpful and informative.

[Guest guest]

,

 

Could you please resend this link translated to English? My high school level

french isn't cutting it for me. Thanks,

 

 

From: Andree <mam78@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:27 PM

 

>

> Hi Pam,

>

> To add to 's post, the Canadian documentary Shots in the Dark (which is

translated into English from the French version) has an interview with a

Canadian scientist who says the same thing as Dr Capecchi - basically that

vaccines can affect microglia activity in the brain.

FYI, The name of the Dr in the documentary is Serge Rivest and he works in

neuroimmunology. His comments about vaccines potential effects on microglia are

in part 3 of the documentary (see here in French if this helps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzf9oK_DAk0 & feature=related )

His bio is here, impressive I'd say, especially since he is described as

" someone who has consistently resisted prevailing trends " (eg he thinks for

himself ;-) See

www.pole-qca.ca/entreprises/en/support-industry/health-nutrition/researcher-prof\

iles.sergerivest.php

[Guest guest]

you are smart to ask.. you can download vaccine exemption forms from the

internet. Just google " vaccines, religious exemption by state " . After having it

notarized,  I submitted one to my son's school.  By law they cannot question

the basis for the exemption. They just accepted it (a CYA formality I'm sure)

and put it in his file. It didn't effect his school attendance.

 

good luck,

 

 

here's a link:

 

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/statevaccexemp.html

From: Wootton <tracywootton@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:50 PM

 

Hi

I have been reading the 12 year vaccinethread with interest and I wanted to ask

what people do about entry into thepublic school system.

We recently moved to the States from the UKand my two elder children attend

Public School but only after having a huge rowwith the School Nurse and the

paediatrician. My NT girl was one shot short of the requirements. I’m afraid

to say I gave in because Iwanted my girls to go into the school system. My ASD

daughter is receiving a lot of services and we arevery happy to be here.

My problem is my four year old who hasn’treceived any vaccinations since her

baby shots. There’s no way I want to give her all the shots that arerequired

on the form so she can start Kindergarten next year. What do people do about

exemptions? The School Nurse told me a medicalexemption would be almost

impossible and take months. What about a Religious exemption even though we’re

notparticularly religious?

I’m really worried about this and feel likegetting on a plane back to the UK

but my dh’s job is here and we are very happyapart from this vax subject.

Recentlystarted AC chelation with my seven year old and finding all the posts on

herevery helpful and informative.

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>  

> Could you please resend this link translated to English? My high school

level french isn't cutting it for me. Thanks,

>  

>

,

I'm sorry but I can't find the film anywhere online in its entirety in English.

The only thing there is on youtube is a synopsis here:

No surprise, the film didn't get a wide distribution in English or French but I

read that the French version got more showings. It was shown in a few cinemas

and it was also shown in France on French public television a few times, which

is why there are versions of the French on youtube I guess (it got more

opportunities for people to copy it).

You can order the documentary from NFB but other than that, I don't know where

to find the English version online.

The director apparently interviewed Wakefield but I read that French stations

would only run the show if she removed his interview, hence there are two

versions of documentary: a short one without Wakefield and a longer one with

him. There may also be two versions in English so make sure to ask about getting

the full-length film if you order.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for your response and for the link to the website. I have been really

worried about the whole vaccination issue since we arrived. It seems I can just

complete the Religious Exemption form here in CT and it shouldn't be questioned

in the public school system. I'm not sure about pre-k though so shall keep

reading and digging.

Thanks again for your help

>

>

> From: Wootton <tracywootton@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:50 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> I have been reading the 12 year vaccinethread with interest and I wanted to

ask what people do about entry into thepublic school system.

>

> We recently moved to the States from the UKand my two elder children attend

Public School but only after having a huge rowwith the School Nurse and the

paediatrician. My NT girl was one shot short of the requirements. I’m afraid

to say I gave in because Iwanted my girls to go into the school system. My ASD

daughter is receiving a lot of services and we arevery happy to be here.

>

> My problem is my four year old who hasn’treceived any vaccinations since her

baby shots. There’s no way I want to give her all the shots that arerequired

on the form so she can start Kindergarten next year. What do people do about

exemptions? The School Nurse told me a medicalexemption would be almost

impossible and take months. What about a Religious exemption even though we’re

notparticularly religious?

>

> I’m really worried about this and feel likegetting on a plane back to the UK

but my dh’s job is here and we are very happyapart from this vax subject.

Recentlystarted AC chelation with my seven year old and finding all the posts on

herevery helpful and informative.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know what state you are in but you should be able to find which

exemptions for which state on-line. In Texas, we have religious, medical,

and conscientious objection, but the schools rarely inform parents of the

conscientious objection because they can get money for showing kids are

fully vaccinated, so the info travels from parents to parents here.

My son has a lifetime medical exemption due to the immediate regression and

subsequent immune issues, autism, asthma, bronchitis etc... Our school has

never questioned this once I turned it in. For medical it is best to just

have the doc say it is lifetime so you don't have to keep re-doing it.

Haven

[Guest guest]

When it first happened, my husband was in denial, but then when he started

getting sick all the time, wouldn't fall asleep anymore etc... but still,

when he was two and we were in that speech pathologist's office and she

suggested autism --what I had known inside from the day it happened, my

husband picked our son up and ran out of the room. It took him a while to

accept it, but once he did, he had no doubt it had been the vaccines. Then

we both started researching.

But the brunt of the research, implementation, biomed management has fallen

on me. He has worked hard to keep us afloat as with Ethan's immune issues

(for the first six years, Ethan was sick with a fever on average every two

to three weeks., He never went more than three weeks without an infection

with fever until he was eight years old), I couldn't return to working

full-time, so he has carried the bread winner burden (though I bring in less

than half of what I was making teaching breeding and selling horses and

teaching lessons.). But whatever I have asked my husband to do, he has

backed me up, and he has seen my son get better. I studied so hard and

researched that one day I held my own against the head of pediatric

neurology, and when we left, my husband said he was so impressed and proud

of me. The neurologist asked if he could copy my research (I was what I had

dug up about vancomycin helping with autism in some children). My husband

is my rock. We just celebrated our twentieth anniversary. He spends a lot

of time with Ethan after work and ow handles the supplements.

My husband could be the " genetic " component (I don't know): he doesn't like

crowds or large parties and is a computer geek engineer (non-degreed). He

didn't like school but is a genius and learned everything about being an

electrical engineer on the job, BUT it is Machiavellian to say, " Oh, it's

the genes, so we can vaccinate all kids because the ones who develop autism

from them have faulty genes so they don't matter. "

That neurologist I told you all about said to us that day, " Gee... I'm so

sorry. I thought they took that stuff out of vaccines, but you've just got

to understand, by mass vaccinating, we are saving so many, but there are

going to be 'losses.' Your son is one of them, and you just need to go home

and accept it. " JERK! Who made them gods and made it okay to throw away

any one's kid as an " acceptable loss? "

Haven

[Guest guest]

Haven said: BUT it is Machiavellian to say, " Oh, it's

the genes, so we can vaccinate all kids because the ones who develop autism

from them have faulty genes so they don't matter. "

 

 

this gives me such a chill but that's exactly the attitude that

prevails..eliminate the genetically " defective "  for the greater

good ...Hitleresque to say the least.. the genocidalist are not only back among

us and they're running the show.. frightening!

Our kids are not throw aways .. I refuse to let mine be treated like one and I

will fight, fight fight for all our kids.

 

 

From: Haven DeLay <hdelay@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 11:16 PM

 

When it first happened, my husband was in denial, but then when he started

getting sick all the time, wouldn't fall asleep anymore etc... but still,

when he was two and we were in that speech pathologist's office and she

suggested autism --what I had known inside from the day it happened, my

husband picked our son up and ran out of the room. It took him a while to

accept it, but once he did, he had no doubt it had been the vaccines. Then

we both started researching.

But the brunt of the research, implementation, biomed management has fallen

on me. He has worked hard to keep us afloat as with Ethan's immune issues

(for the first six years, Ethan was sick with a fever on average every two

to three weeks., He never went more than three weeks without an infection

with fever until he was eight years old), I couldn't return to working

full-time, so he has carried the bread winner burden (though I bring in less

than half of what I was making teaching breeding and selling horses and

teaching lessons.). But whatever I have asked my husband to do, he has

backed me up, and he has seen my son get better. I studied so hard and

researched that one day I held my own against the head of pediatric

neurology, and when we left, my husband said he was so impressed and proud

of me. The neurologist asked if he could copy my research (I was what I had

dug up about vancomycin helping with autism in some children). My husband

is my rock. We just celebrated our twentieth anniversary. He spends a lot

of time with Ethan after work and ow handles the supplements.

My husband could be the " genetic " component (I don't know): he doesn't like

crowds or large parties and is a computer geek engineer (non-degreed). He

didn't like school but is a genius and learned everything about being an

electrical engineer on the job, BUT it is Machiavellian to say, " Oh, it's

the genes, so we can vaccinate all kids because the ones who develop autism

from them have faulty genes so they don't matter. "

That neurologist I told you all about said to us that day, " Gee... I'm so

sorry. I thought they took that stuff out of vaccines, but you've just got

to understand, by mass vaccinating, we are saving so many, but there are

going to be 'losses.' Your son is one of them, and you just need to go home

and accept it. " JERK! Who made them gods and made it okay to throw away

any one's kid as an " acceptable loss? "

Haven

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Thinking the majority have kids too young to deal with 12 yr shots. Honestly

haven't wanted to think about this, but I'm glad it came up as we will be

dealing with this in a couple years.

I don't have any trouble with not vaccinating against diseases that are not

fatal or almost obsolete, like Diptheria. It's the Tetanus and Meningitis that

worry me. It's all well and good to say no vaccines but if the worst were to

occur the guilt would be all consuming.

I'm hoping Andy comes up with a reasonable way to assess risk from the disease

vs the shot.

But save what you found as I'll be coming back to you for the same articles.

Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

>

>

>

>

>

> Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

>

> Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

> hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

> so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

> that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

> can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

> won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

>

> Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

> has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

> every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

> an alternate vaccine schedule.

>

> Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

> vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

> much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

> few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> are.

>

> Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

> exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> vaccine, and it is BAD.

>

> I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> consequences either way.

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Haven DeLay

===>We chose not to go the medical route as in Ohio any medical objection is

subject to scrutiny by the school board should they so choose, which meant they

could have access to her medical files, which we did not want. I had no idea

whether they would or wouldn't. And here, a medical exemption cannot be

lifetime, has to be written year by year so if something happened to the dr,

there goes your exemption. We did the religious exemption as we felt that would

not be questioned.

I don't know what state you are in but you should be able to find which

exemptions for which state on-line. In Texas, we have religious, medical,

and conscientious objection, but the schools rarely inform parents of the

conscientious objection because they can get money for showing kids are

fully vaccinated, so the info travels from parents to parents here.

My son has a lifetime medical exemption due to the immediate regression and

subsequent immune issues, autism, asthma, bronchitis etc... Our school has

never questioned this once I turned it in. For medical it is best to just

have the doc say it is lifetime so you don't have to keep re-doing it.

Haven

[Guest guest]

,

Two of my teenagers had deep and dirty injuries. There was NO way I was allowing

the tetanus. Both recovered - one needed IV antibiotics for nasty wound. My 8y

grandson went 6y w NO vaccines[his older brother was a mess w lead and mercury].

His mother was bullied into getting a tetanus w an injury when he was 6 which

thankfully, did him no obvious harm. He is the healthiest of 6 grandchildren -

that's the extent of his vaccines. There are homeopathic remedies for all those

symptom patterns. The guilt - well all life choices have consequences. All of us

know too well the consequences of following the vaccine protocols.

> >

> > Hi, I would also read : Evidence of Harm by Kirby and A Shot in the

> > Dark, by Dr. Harry Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. It is better to educate

> > yourself than to jump into something you are having doubts about.. look

what

> > happened to all of us..

> >

> >

> >

> > Corinne

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

[mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of Haven DeLay

> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:37 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> > amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> > should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> > chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in

life.

> >

> > Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If

they

> > hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get

it,

> > so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies

show

> > that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular

disease

> > can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where

i

> > won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> > have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

> >

> > Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> > Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr.

Cave

> > has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks

of

> > every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also

includes

> > an alternate vaccine schedule.

> >

> > Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show

each

> > vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and

how

> > much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the

last

> > few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> > are.

> >

> > Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I

forget

> > exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> > vaccine, and it is BAD.

> >

> > I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> > informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> > consequences either way.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . We live on and near horse farms so Tetanus is more of a reality

for us than someone say, living in the suburbs.

That said, although she's plenty rough, she's careful as she doesn't like pain

and is a big sissy about any kind of pain, always wears shoes outdoors, etc. So

I'm hoping we can avoid this as my understanding is that Tetanus is more of a

realistic fear when living around, among horses.

The good news is that she had Tetanus titers 10 x the normal amount, so we're

good to go until she gets that first wound.

The meningitis still is a concern.

Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> > amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> > should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> > chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in

life.

> >

> > Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If

they

> > hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get

it,

> > so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies

show

> > that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular

disease

> > can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where

i

> > won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> > have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

> >

> > Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> > Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr.

Cave

> > has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks

of

> > every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also

includes

> > an alternate vaccine schedule.

> >

> > Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show

each

> > vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and

how

> > much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the

last

> > few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> > are.

> >

> > Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I

forget

> > exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> > vaccine, and it is BAD.

> >

> > I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> > informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> > consequences either way.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I've not followed this closely, but the book " The Truth About Vaccines " might be

helpful to you It's written by Halvorsen, MD, who practices as a GP in

the UK, so the book is full of UK-relevant political stuff, but it also talks

about the vaccines themselves, efficacy, dangers, etc. Sadly, the cover is a

bit wierd, which will put off people like your husband I suspect (I find it

off-putting myself) but the info is good.

Anita

> >

> > Hi, I would also read : Evidence of Harm by Kirby and A Shot in the

> > Dark, by Dr. Harry Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher. It is better to educate

> > yourself than to jump into something you are having doubts about.. look what

> > happened to all of us..

> >

> >

> >

> > Corinne

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: [mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of Haven DeLay

> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:37 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: [ ] Need help with 12 yr vaccines...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Don't get varicella. Even my regular doctor told me the other day she is

> > amazed at how many kids are now coming down with shingles. Rather they

> > should get chicken pox now than as adults. some studies show that getting

> > chicken pox protects against getting certain forms of cancer later in life.

> >

> > Your other viable option is to have your children's titers checked. If they

> > hold titers to a certain illness, then they hold immunity and won't get it,

> > so what then would be the point of re-vaccinating for it? Some studies show

> > that re-vaccinating when a person already has titers to a particular disease

> > can cause auto-immune disease. I know this because I have an allele where i

> > won't hold titers to rubella, but they kept re-vaccinating me, and now I

> > have an auto-immune hypothyroidism. Lucky me.

> >

> > Please, get Dr. Cave's book, " What Your Doctor May not Tell You About

> > Children's Vaccinations. " It is a very objective book, even though Dr. Cave

> > has treated thousands of vaccine-damaged kids. In it she gives the risks of

> > every disease and the risks and benefits of each vaccine. She also includes

> > an alternate vaccine schedule.

> >

> > Tell your husband to go to the NVIP data base on-line and it will show each

> > vaccine, how many claims were placed against it for damage or death, and how

> > much they paid out --I think it is about 2,000,000,000 dollars over the last

> > few years in damages. This ought to tell parents how safe vaccines really

> > are.

> >

> > Guardasil has had over 48 permanent damages filed with some deaths (I forget

> > exactly how many), but Guillaine-Barre syndrome is quite common after this

> > vaccine, and it is BAD.

> >

> > I respect parents' right to choose, but get Dr. Cave's book and make an

> > informed choice. Damage or not --it is the parent who has to live with the

> > consequences either way.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi /Haven

Thanks for your replies. We are in CT but having only just got here in the last

few months I am not able to ask other parents yet as I don't particulary want

anyone to know my views right now.

The paed told me he wouldn't give me a medical exemption for any of my kids even

though my 7 year old has ASD and a history of reaction to vaccines because he

himself has an 8 year old ASD son who is fully vaccinated and will continue to

receive vaccinations. The vaccines, he believes, didn't cause any problems in

his son - go figure, I think I need to change my paed!

My worry with the Religious Exemption is that someone will think it isn't true I

suppose and my dh is concerned with that. I'm ok for now with my two big kids

at public school until they are 12 - right where Pam is right now - but my super

bright NT four year old has to receive three shots of Hep B before entering

Pre-K as I refused vaccines for her in the UK when realisation dawned on us with

the 7 year old.

Do people just fill out the Religious Exemption form because that's one way out

of being forced to vaccine? I took a look on-line and it said that in CT the

school is not allowed to question the religion but the School Nurse is really

scary and she has made me cry a few times already.

Thanks again for your help

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Haven DeLay

>

> ===>We chose not to go the medical route as in Ohio any medical objection is

subject to scrutiny by the school board should they so choose, which meant they

could have access to her medical files, which we did not want. I had no idea

whether they would or wouldn't. And here, a medical exemption cannot be

lifetime, has to be written year by year so if something happened to the dr,

there goes your exemption. We did the religious exemption as we felt that would

not be questioned.

>

>

>

>

>

> I don't know what state you are in but you should be able to find which

> exemptions for which state on-line. In Texas, we have religious, medical,

> and conscientious objection, but the schools rarely inform parents of the

> conscientious objection because they can get money for showing kids are

> fully vaccinated, so the info travels from parents to parents here.

>

> My son has a lifetime medical exemption due to the immediate regression and

> subsequent immune issues, autism, asthma, bronchitis etc... Our school has

> never questioned this once I turned it in. For medical it is best to just

> have the doc say it is lifetime so you don't have to keep re-doing it.

>

> Haven

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tetanus doesn't scare me as it needs an aerobic environment to thrive. But

stepping on a rusty nail and getting a deep puncture would produces a good

environment for the bacterium to survive.

However, when I was a kid, if we got so much as a cat scratch, my mother

would run us down for another shot. This was ridiculous I think.

But I work on my farm and get cuts and scrapes a lot. It is important to

clean wounds promptly and allow wounds to heal from the inside out, I think.

There is such a thing as neonatal tetanus which newborn babies can get from

the umbilical stump, but this is rare in developed countries. Most babies

have some immunity from the mom. Babies who get this did not get this

immunity from their moms.

Always have tiers checked first. If the titers are there, I don't think

they need boosters. I have read some studies that say if you hold titers

and take boosters it increases the risk of auto-immune disease later.

I think there are about a million world-wide cases reported each year, the

largest number coming from undeveloped, unsanitary nations. 11% of the

reported cases are fatal.

Now, deep puncture wounds are the problem because they do present a perfect

anaerobic environment, but you can vaccinate when one of these occurs, I

believe, rather than giving the vaccine before hand. I know thisis how I do

my horses. There are two different kinds of vaccines for this I think

-tetanus toxoid and tetanus antitoxin. I haven't re-vaccinated my son, but

I get his titers checked and so far he is fine.

The tetanus shot STILL has the full complement of mercury in it, so If he

ever does get a deep puncture wound, then I will make the tough decision,

but not going to do it right now --not so long as his titers are good.

I just think tetanus in the absence of deep penetrating wound is rare.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Haven

[Guest guest]

,

Why would you let a school nurse make you cry? they cannot hurt you. If it

says they can't questio you about your religious reasons for not wanting

vaccines, then go that route and stand firm.

I had to get over wanting to be liked by school pernonelle pretty quick, and

now they still try to bully , threaten, and intimidate from time to time,

but I just call their bluff --this has to do with ARD stuff --not

vaccination. I settled that crap from the get go.

You MUST find a different doctor who will work with you. Try going to a DO

rather than a pediatrician. I was lucky that after I left our pediatrician

I found a wonderful DO in family practice, and she helped me SOOO much with

my son and with my own health. She was a true and caring physician, and my

son and I both received better care form her than we ever did from an MD. I

think MD stands " Me DEITY. " I'm just kidding!

Anyway, the bottom line with health professionals is " Do they make me or my

child feel better? do they offer solutions other than synthetic drugs? If

the answer is yes, you keep them.. If not, you head for the door.

Of course by the time my son went to school, we already had a diagnosis of

" Heavy Metal Poisoning " as his main diagnosis, and the neurologist consented

that it had to have been the vaccines, but he just wanted to be " hush-hush "

about it. They said, " You have to be quiet as talking bad about vaccines is

not accepted here. "

This is MAJOR nationally recognized children's hospital, and they tout

themselves as intellectuals? If you are not allowed to put ANYTHING up

against public scrutiny, then something is horribly wrong. The most

dangerous sentence to democracy is " You can't say that. "

We had a medical exemption from the get go, but we had to renew a couple of

times until his DAN wrote that it was a lifetime exemption. Find a doctor

who WILL do this for you.

The truth is no one really knows what all the government is having them put

in these vaccines. We all know many of the conspiracy theories going

around.

The truth is we don't know if they can add biological time bombs to the

shot. But in theory it would be a great plan for population control,

wouldn't it?

There were no vaccines prior to revolutionary times as far as I know. there

was a sort of vaccine going around in Ben lin's time and it was full of

mercury, and he advised a friend not t take it because the mercury itself

could kill the recipient.

If there were no vaccines ---the human race still prevailed. the Bubonic

Plague was the worst epidemic in human history. No vaccine was ever

developed for it, and still Two thirds of the Known population survived.

It never touched the Americas (because no one knew about them yet, so that

would be proof that segregation helps in allowing disease to die out on its

own. The Europeans who did survive probably did so because their bodies

placed them in a state of hematomacrosis in which the BP bacterium cannot

thrive.

Why have I noticed so much more infertility in the last thirty years? More

cancer , more auto-immune disease, more obesity. The big vaccine push is

giving society a very false sense of security when it comes to how healthy

we are as a species.

[Guest guest]

As for the religious exemption, this is what I got for my daughter when it

was time for the 5 year old boosters. (She had all shots until that

point). If they can not question your religion then don't elaborate, just

request

the exemption. In my state I'm not even sure what the requirement is but

the clerk asked me to write a little statement as to my need for a religious

exemption. At first I worried b/c I was not a specific denomination the

prohibits medical interventions and the like...I'm plain ole Protestant. But I

was comfortable elaborating by saying I needed a Rel. exemp. based on just

being a Christian and stated that Christians believe that the body is the

temple of the Holy Spirit. I stated my daughter has autism and that I could

not knowingly subject her body/temple to anything that could possibly harm

her having learned about the possible connections to shots and autism. Again,

I wouldn't get into all that if you don't have to but my clerk did ask for

a brief explanation so I complied. Bottom-line is that I don't think you

need to worry that people will suspect that your not sincere in it being a

religious exemption. If you are Christian it doesn't have to be anything more

than body = temple.

[Guest guest]

Regarding religious exemptions, I am no particular religion either. I am a

Christian. If one is Jewish, then one could claim that they are prohibited

from putting anything unclean in their bodies: hence no pork, no shell fish

etc... then how could it be allowed to have animal DNA injected? If you are

Catholic, then some vaccines contain aborted fetal tissue. It seems to me

the Catholic Church ought to be all over this one. But if someone pushed me

to say by what tenets I decline, then I could just call myself a Biblicist.

I found this interesting:

Vaccines contain animal products which require the death of animals.

Some vaccines contain the 'cell line' from an aborted human baby.

Additionally, Hindus and some Buddhists refrain from eating meat. They

believe in not killing anything with a face, but also the slaughtered animal

will carry the energies of fear, pain, anxiety etc. For meditation purposes

it is counter productive to take those negative energies into the body.

Animals are tortured in the process of making vaccines so it would be

extremely undesirable to be vaccinated. Gandhi subscribed to these beliefs

and was one of many famous anti-vaccinationists:

" I abhor vivisection with my whole soul. I detest the unpardonable slaughter

of innocent life in the name of science and humanity so called, and all of

the scientific discoveries stained with innocent blood, I count as of no

consequence. " --Gandhi Y1, Dec. 17, 1925

Vaccinations, not proven to prevent disease, result in death and mental and

physical injury. According to Registered Dog Breeder, Ashleigh Oulton in

Australia, animal populations become sterile after many generations of being

vaccinated. This is arguably genocide depending upon the intent behind the

policy.

******

Maybe this can explain why so many women today are finding it difficult to

conceive. We now have several generations of vaccinated individuals.

*****

Pertinent bible versus to support religious exemption:

Leviticus:19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle

gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed:

neither shall a garment mingled of linen [plant] and woolen [animal] come

upon thee.

Lamentations 4.13-15 foreshadows the AIDS pandemic, and other current and

coming plagues. It also relays the fear and avoidance surrounding

HIV-positive and other infected, sick, and dying people. As you read the

first paragraph, consider the fact that religious leaders are encouraging

their followers to get vaccinated. Many are even inviting 'public health'

nurses and vaccine administrators into their congregations to deliver the

toxic, and too often lethal, doses:

" It happened because of the sins of her prophets and the offenses of her

priests (and rabbis), who, within her walls, shed the blood of the

righteous. They wander in the streets like the blind; they are so polluted

with blood that nobody is able even to touch their clothing. Keep away!

Unclean!' people shout at them, 'Keep away! Away, don't touch us!' They

flee, to wander here and there; but no nation allows them to stay. "

Ezekiel 3:18-20 provides a pretty good argument why it's important to relay

these facts concerning vaccines, blood transfusions, sin, and death:

" When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him

or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life,

that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for

his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his

wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will be

saved yourself. "

Ezekiel 5:17 Yes, I will send famine and savage beasts upon you to leave you

without children; plague and bloodshed will sweep through you; and I will

bring the sword upon you. I, God, have spoken it. "

“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and

supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to

God.” *~Philippians

4:6* ( I think this means we are to put our faith and trust in GOD and not

in a physician or drug company.)

“Finally, my brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honest,

whatever things are right, whatever things are pure, whatever things are

lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there is any virtue and if

there is any praise, think on these things. *~Philippians* *4:8

*“*Whatever things are true”:*There are no conclusive irrefutable studies to

prove that vaccines are safe. Thousands of parents have requested

information on studies conducted on vaccines proving both efficacy and long-

term safety only to find they do not exist. go make a request to the CDC

for the irrefutable studies which prove vaccine safety and efficacy, but

don't hold your breath while waiting to get this evidence. It won't come.

“*Whatever things are honest”:*If vaccines are honestly safe, why did

Congress pass a law in 1986 forcing taxpayers (not vaccine manufacturers) to

compensate parents for the vaccine-induced injuries and deaths suffered by

thousands of vaccinated children every year?

Most states allow unvaccinated children to attend public school and

day-cares provided each one has an exemption form on file with the school.

Why do most public schools and day cares inform parents that their child

will be denied enrollment unless he is up to date with state-recommended

vaccines?

The fact is every school is obligated to provide a waiver form for parents

to sign. Yet, unless parents specifically request their child be exempted

from vaccination, school administrators remain silent on the issue.

Honest practice requires honest behavior with honest words. A deceitful

practice requires deceitful words and deceitful behavior. There is clearly

something deceitful about government immunization programs.

“*Whatever things are right”:*What is right about allowing the injection of

live and dead viruses cultured in aborted fetal tissue into the human body?

We Christians are known for our stand against taking the life of an unborn

child. Are we to believe that abortion is murder in the eyes of God yet

injecting the genetic material of aborted fetuses into ourselves in the name

of public health is “right” in the eyes of God? Clearly one cannot believe

abortion is wrong and believe vaccines containing the genetic material of

aborted fetuses are “right.”

“*Whatever things are lovely”:*What is lovely about having animal DNA,

aborted human fetal tissue and foreign animal viruses, suspended in a

cocktail of the most toxic substances known to man, injected into the body

so it can find its way into the bloodstream? There are 446 references to

“the blood” in the Bible. Throughout the Bible God refers to the sanctity of

the blood and the importance of keeping it pure. Would He consider presence

of live and dead viruses, foreign human and animal DNA, mercury, aluminum

and formaldehyde in our blood “lovely?”

“*Whatever things are of good report*”: The FDA stated that less than 10% of

adverse reactions from vaccines are ever reported. Using CDC data, CDC put

out two publications on vaccine-induced injuries from 1990-1996. One

publication was on vaccine-induced injuries from 1990-1995. They stated

there were 45,000 vaccine-injured individuals. More alarming is that this

figure is LESS than 1% due to gross under reporting. So, at minimum, 45,000

x 100=4.5 million Americans have experienced adverse reactions to vaccines.

This calculates to a minimum of 900,000 vaccine-induced injuries each year

from 1990-1995. Vaccines are not “of good report.”

1 6:20-21<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=1++6%3A20-21>

O , guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble

and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing

it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

1 Corinthians

6:19<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=1+Corinthians+6%3A19>

Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you,

whom you have from God? You are not your own,

Acts 15:20 <http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?passage=Acts+15%3A20>

But should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and

from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.

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