Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 In a message dated 02/14/2001 4:52:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, legerpj@... writes: << My preference is still ADVIL, the real one and not the generic, with a Cytotec chaser >> Hi , Isn't the idea to take Cytotec a short while before the NSAID, so it has a chance to coat the stomach lining before, rather than after, taking the NSAID. By the way, Advil also causes me the least of the NSAID's side effects. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 The best defense against NSAIDS is still Cytotec. It forms a muscus wall between the drugs and the lining. This is the same type of layer that the drug destroys in the first place. However the results are not perfect and taking NSAIDS over a long period of time usually results in something bad happening to your digestive system. I have ended up in hospital more than once with bleeding due to NSAIDS but then you get to eat jello for a week or more while they prod you with video cameras, where cameras were never meant to be, so maybe it is worth it:) My preference is still ADVIL, the real one and not the generic, with a Cytotec chaser. Seriously though I take MS Contin now on a daily basis because I need the relief and can't tolerate NSAIDS for more than very short periods and that includes Vioxx and Celebrex. So if you do feel any symptoms when taking NSAIDS get to a doctor quickly because the bleeding can be quite serious if it isn't stopped in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 You are right you take Cytotec first and then later the NSAID. I don't know what they use to coat Advil or how it differs from the others but Advil seems to work better and has the least effect on my stomach. I also use the gel caps they have. In the US they call them Advil Migraine while in Canada it just plain old gel caps. The gel seems to work much faster. I don't take them regularly but I know they work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2001 Report Share Posted February 15, 2001 I am allergic to Advil. Lexi << My preference is still ADVIL, the real one and not the generic, with a Cytotec chaser >> Hi , Isn't the idea to take Cytotec a short while before the NSAID, so it has a chance to coat the stomach lining before, rather than after, taking the NSAID. By the way, Advil also causes me the least of the NSAID's side effects. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 I also take NSAID's on a daily basis. I currently just use Advil once or twice a day. When I was using prescription meds like Relafen or Mobic, I had to have a blood test every 6 months to check on liver function. Not once was kidney failure mentioned. Actually, I've never heard of this. I would be more worried about daily intake of Ultram as it is highly addictive. Juls NSAIDS I've been taking Ultram and Ibuprofen daily for the past two and a half years. My PC is very concerned about long-term NSAID use because of the BIG possibility of kidney failure later in life. He said he has seen it happen many times. What do you do? Fore go pain meds and SUFFER or risk that in 15 years I'll be sitting in a dialysis chair? Any suggestions? Krysi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Krysi... I was on NSAIDs for many years. During that time, my rheumatologist gave me kidney and liver function blood tests every six months. He told me that he could tell if I ever started having kidney or liver problems. So, I was never to concerned about that. Unfortunately, however, apparently one can bleed to death without much warning if the NSAID burns a hole in their stomach. So, I finally gave them up. It's a difficult decision. I definitely felt better on the NSAIDs. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Ultram is not a narotic so why would it be addictive? Krysi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 I take MS Contin daily and have for about 2 years now. It is also addictive. However in Chronic pain sufferers that doesn't happen. If a person needs the medication and uses it as prescribed then the chances of addictive are slim. If you don't have an addictive personality and you truly need the medication then you are pretty safe from addiction. In my case I need it and it probably is for life anyway so I am not even bothered about whether it will or will not become addictive. I also get my kidney and liver tested every six months regardless of what NSAIDs I have taken. Better safe than sorry. These things can damage your vitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2001 Report Share Posted February 17, 2001 Ultram isn't a narcotic but it acts on the opiod receptors of the brain in the same way a narcotic does. When it first came out it was said to be non-addictive and therefore a good alternative for people who are addiction prone, and a good alternative for folks like us who need pain relief for chronic problems but who can't tolerate NSAIDS. However since that time the drug company has issued warnings that because of the way it works in the brain it can become addictive, even in small quantities. I find it interesting that it IS listed in Germany as a narcotic but in the US it's not. A quick search online will give you a lot of information on all this. Many doctors don't even know this about Ultram. I agree with though when he says it depends on how you are using it and what your personality type is. AND-when pain is so debilitating that it interferes with functioning, our choices are limited. Juls From: Krysialtemus@... Scoliosis Treatment Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: NSAIDS Ultram is not a narotic so why would it be addictive? Krysi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 On Thursday, March 16, 2006, at 01:40 PM, wrote: > , the NSAIDs are a class of anti-inflammatory medications that > are known to be severe gastric irritants. They are known to cause > stomach trouble- bleeding, ulcers, gastritis, more. Yeah, with or without a band. Though Dr. Neal may have changed his mind, he told me not to take them when he did my surgery so I don't. Matter of fact, I didn't take them prior to banding because they upset my stomach. I guess to each his own, follow your own docs advice and if you do take any type of nsaid..wash it through top and bottom stomach with lots of water. Always better safe than sorry I always say;-) Kem in Eugene - 49 pounds Dr. Neal 8.6.04 <º)))>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 More on the serious side-effects of NSAIDS, on the lower bowel as well as on the stomach - this article just came out today. Why would you NOT want to avoid them if you can?? Sandy R 1: Postgrad Med J. 2006 Mar;82(965):186-91. Related Articles, Links Is non-steroidal anti-inflammaory drug (NSAID) enteropathy clinically more important than NSAID gastropathy? Adebayo D, Bjarnason I. Department of Medicine, Guy's, King's, St ' Medical School, Bessemer Road, London, UK. The side effects of conventional non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) on the stomach is undoubtedly a serious public health problem contributing significantly to the morbidity and mortality of patients receiving these drugs. However, the damage of NSAIDs is not confined to the stomach. Indeed the short term and long term damage of NSAIDs on the small bowel (NSAID enteropathy) is more frequent than NSAID gastropathy. Furthermore, NSAID enteropathy is associated with complications (bleeding and protein loss). While many of these are mild, the serious events (significant bleeding, perforation, obstruction, and sudden death) are frequent as that reported for NSAID gastropathy. The diagnosis of NSAID enteropathy has been greatly aided by the introduction of wireless capsule enteroscopy. PMID: 16517800 [PubMed - in process] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Hi, when I have to take an ibuprophen product, I get a liquid script from the doc. --- Kem Tillford <Losinit4good@...> wrote: > > On Thursday, March 16, 2006, at 01:40 PM, > wrote: > > > , the NSAIDs are a class of > anti-inflammatory medications that > > are known to be severe gastric irritants. They are > known to cause > > stomach trouble- bleeding, ulcers, gastritis, > more. > > Yeah, with or without a band. Though Dr. Neal may > have changed his > mind, he told me not to take them when he did my > surgery so I don't. > Matter of fact, I didn't take them prior to banding > because they upset > my stomach. I guess to each his own, follow your > own docs advice and > if you do take any type of nsaid..wash it through > top and bottom > stomach with lots of water. Always better safe than > sorry I always > say;-) > > Kem in Eugene > - 49 pounds > Dr. Neal 8.6.04 > <º)))>< > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 That's always a good idea, but this helps only one of the ways the NSAIDs cause damage. It is not only that they can come in direct contact with the mucous membranes and cause contact damage. This part is fairly easy to avoid, and then people think all is well. Not so, at all. the primary way the Nsaids cause damage is that they get into the bloodstream (as all meds do) and then they alter the chemical composition of the protective mucous in the stomach and gut. When this mucous is disabled, it can no longer protect against bacteria, irritating foods and fluids, meds like NSAIDs and others, and much more. **All forms** of NSAIDS cause this harm - whether they are liquid, cut up, or enteric-coated. the serious side-effects of the NSAIDs are very well documented, and it's only common sense, to me at least, that all gastric irritants shoud be avoided if at all possible, if wew want to give our bands the best chance of lasting many years inside us. Sandy R > > > > > , the NSAIDs are a class of > > anti-inflammatory medications that > > > are known to be severe gastric irritants. They are > > known to cause > > > stomach trouble- bleeding, ulcers, gastritis, > > more. > > > > Yeah, with or without a band. Though Dr. Neal may > > have changed his > > mind, he told me not to take them when he did my > > surgery so I don't. > > Matter of fact, I didn't take them prior to banding > > because they upset > > my stomach. I guess to each his own, follow your > > own docs advice and > > if you do take any type of nsaid..wash it through > > top and bottom > > stomach with lots of water. Always better safe than > > sorry I always > > say;-) > > > > Kem in Eugene > > - 49 pounds > > Dr. Neal 8.6.04 > > <º)))>< > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Liz, I take Indocin as an NSAID (very strong on the tummy), however, I also take Protonix and have had no ulcer or gerd or heartburn since. It has been better than any of the other ones I've tried. Indocin is stronger than most NSAID. In the beginning, it does cause a little nausea on some, but if taken in lower dose for the first week or so....then increasing the next week...it usually will disappear. I try to only take 75mg daily and if I get a flare I increase to up to 150 for a few days. If I go any longer on the higher dosage...I start to have tummy problems. This system seems to work for me. Best wishes, Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Connie Are you anywhere near the damage from twisters in NC? Anyone else in the group affected by today's storms? Fr. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 I took indocin as my very first med back in 1984 but he would only let me be on it for a year and a half as he said it would wreck my eyes. I have a hiatal hernia and gastric reflux and have been on protonix and some other meds.. prevacid.. can't remember what all. The only thing that helped was nexium which the state said later on was too expensive so they wouldn't pay anymore till the dr jumped through all these hoops. We had just got through doing that when the doctor thoughtfully decided to dimiss me as a patien for " noncompliance " since I was getting my appointment times mixed up when we were in the process of being forced to move and not able to find our own place. I have asked my psychiatrist to talk to my pcp...and explain to her about the problems I was having due to the stress.. on top of being ADD and bipolar. I haven't been able to get in to see the p-doc though till DEc. 1 so I " m just kind of stringing along here. The heartburn is getting troublesome.... My hip is somewhat better but I have to be really careful or it starts acting up. the xray showed nothing wrong with it.. but it sure hurt for nothing being wrong!! Connie wrote: > Liz, I take Indocin as an NSAID (very strong on the tummy), however, I also > take Protonix and have had no ulcer or gerd or heartburn since. It has been > better than any of the other ones I've tried. Indocin is stronger than most Liz Kilpatrick On the banks of the Mighty Mississippi River, Davenport,IA/Quad cities ~~~~~~ " People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. " ~~~~~~~ Maya Angelou ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EMAIL: juliette@... PERSONAL HOMEPAGE PAGE http://members.tripod.com/~LizK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Been on that one too.... On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Clost wrote: > hi liz. what about prevacid for the stomach? or is that not an option if you already have stomach ulcers? i use prevacid when i take feldene. so far no problems for me and i've been taking those two together for about 5 years now. > > best wishes. james > Liz Kilpatrick On the banks of the Mighty Mississippi River, Davenport,IA/Quad cities ~~~~~~ " People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. " ~~~~~~~ Maya Angelou ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EMAIL: juliette@... PERSONAL HOMEPAGE PAGE http://members.tripod.com/~LizK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 No, Dave. We are back in Indian Rocks Beach, Fla. Brought the nice cool weather with us. I just saw where the tornado's landed...on the coast of NC. Seems like a little late in the season for this to happen. Although a terrible thing for some, it could have been much worse. I saw where so many children came out without a scratch...even though their mobile homes were destroyed. The front came through here...but with no tornados. Best regards, Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Liz, That is very interesting about the eyes and Indocin. This is the first time I've seen it listed for any eye problems. I have to have my eyes checked on a regular basis for glaucoma/iritis and one of my doctors is a retina specialist and I will certainly ask him about this. Just had a picture taken of my eyes for any problems in that area two weeks ago. So far, no macula or retinal damage from that, however I have damage from my glaucoma operation...distortion and some blindness. Gosh, what in the world are we to do? I've taken about all there is for inflammation...and only the Indocin helps me as far as NSAID goes. Maybe, back to the Humira...until it gives me their famous side effects. Sorry about the problems you are having. Yes, you can have a lot of pain in the hip area without it coming up on tests. Like everything else we have, it usually takes a long time before it starts showing up on pictures. Maybe the new congress will start to overhaul our health care programs in the next few years, and it will be kinder to all of us. We can hope, can't we? Best to you. Connie Indocin eye side effects: ocular — corneal deposits and retinal disturbances, including those of the macula, have been reported in some patients on prolonged therapy with INDOCIN For more Indocin side effects: _Indocin Side Effects, and Drug Interactions - indomethacin_ (javascript:defwindow('indomethacin')) - RxList Monographs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'm about 40 miles away from the storm area. We had some wind and a bit of rain here at the beach, but nothing like what Riegelwood experienced. I watched the local news coverage a lot of the day, partly to be aware if we were going to be included in the " watch " area here. The local station's chief photographer said there were so many things he didn't film because they were too graphic to be shown on TV. One of the most affecting pieces of footage they ran was of a dog still chained to his doghouse, which was still standing... but the dog was sitting within the foundation of his owner's house, which was completely gone. I heard tonight that two more of the injured children died today... a tragic event for a lot of folks. Pat dewi@... wrote: Connie Are you anywhere near the damage from twisters in NC? Anyone else in the group affected by today's storms? Fr. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 I actually take Aleve once in a while and it seems to help. Only on certain types of pain, sort of like a bone ache type I found it works. Just takes the edge off. However, I have a hard time tolerating heavy pain killers so maybe the light ones work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Everyone responds to invidual NSAIDs differently. Voltaren can be a gut wrencher for some people, which is why I take oremprazol daily. I would prefer to take Lodine XL, but it is not available in Mexico. I got a terrible ulcer from Celebrex. As a retired Wyeth employee, I am very familar with all the NSAIDs. I marketed Orudis, Lodine, Naprosyn and their long acting counterparts. In Mexico, I have found that Voltaren is the most effective for me. What works for one person does not work for the next. At this point, I think they all can cause me ulcers if I don't take omeprazol, so I do. Fran Ajijic, Mexico franmurphy25@... (011-52-376-) 766-0067 Contact me for US Health Insurance & Drug Claim Preparation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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