Will LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

[Guest guest]

Hi, the 50K script (is that what you are taking) is D2 which is not the best form of D to take. It's not the best absorbed D and not closest to the body's natural D. My doc started me on 4-5K of D3 right away from I was diagnosed low D.

I know some who are taking 7-8K of D3 per day to get their levels up. I still take 5K of D3 per day and will continue even thou my levels are good NOW. Check out the Vitamin D Council site.

Milk is negligible with D, so that's not the answer for sure.

It takes a while to get those levels up but D2 is not your best form of D. I'm now hearing that Vit K2 should be taken with D3 also to strengthen the bones even more. I take my D3 with my 500 mg of Calcium daily in the mid day. Hope this helps.

[low dose naltrexone] Will LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

My Vitamin D Level is really low, I am taking 50K units a week now, for the third time. Second round did bring it up...but then it went back down. If for some reason after this round, my Vit D doesn't stay up in six months when they re-test, they are going to send me to some specialist because my body seems to not want to absorb it. Since I just started taking LDN, do you think it will help my body finally absorb this Vit D? In the meantime, any suggestions on how to get my body to absorb this important Vit? (I was taking first a 1K Supplement, then currently a 2K one. I was low even while drinking milk all of the time, and stopped milk once diagnosed with MS in Feb. '08. Vit D is still low, whether I drink milk or not.)

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[Guest guest]

Dr McCandless, who owns the Autism and HIV LDN Lists, recommends

10,000 iu daily for a month and then 5,000 iu daily after that.

Also 50,000 iu for three days if you get the flu. I just

started taking D3 as

a flu preventative. I find the micro tablets from Vitamin D3

World really

easy to take because they are tasteless and dissolve under

your tongue.

I wonder why your doctor does not want you taking it daily?

I am very

unfamiliar with Vit D deficiency or malabsorption but very

interested to

know more since it is so important to disease prevention and

health.

I have not heard of LDN changing vitamin absorption but I

also do

not know if anyone has been looking at that. I have not heard of

any of the practitioners mention it.

Might be a question Bradley could use in her interviews

on her

radio show. Perhaps you could email her.

Garnet

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LDN_Information

Dr Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN

ymybc wrote:

>

>

> My Vitamin D Level is really low, I am taking 50K units a week now, for

> the third time. Second round did bring it up...but then it went back

> down. If for some reason after this round, my Vit D doesn't stay up in

> six months when they re-test, they are going to send me to some

> specialist because my body seems to not want to absorb it. Since I just

> started taking LDN, do you think it will help my body finally absorb

> this Vit D? In the meantime, any suggestions on how to get my body to

> absorb this important Vit? (I was taking first a 1K Supplement, then

> currently a 2K one. I was low even while drinking milk all of the time,

> and stopped milk once diagnosed with MS in Feb. '08. Vit D is still low,

> whether I drink milk or not.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

It may have been said already but can

someone advise where I can get a hold of the very high dose capsules please?

Thanks

Nuala

Ps preferably not i-herb as it seems every

order I now place with them incurs a huge customs demand from mr.

Nuala

From:

low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of ymybc

Sent: 15 October 2009 17:52

To:

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Will

LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

My Vitamin D Level is really low, I am taking 50K

units a week now, for the third time. Second round did bring it up...but then

it went back down. If for some reason after this round, my Vit D doesn't stay

up in six months when they re-test, they are going to send me to some

specialist because my body seems to not want to absorb it. Since I just started

taking LDN, do you think it will help my body finally absorb this Vit D? In the

meantime, any suggestions on how to get my body to absorb this important Vit?

(I was taking first a 1K Supplement, then currently a 2K one. I was low even

while drinking milk all of the time, and stopped milk once diagnosed with MS in

Feb. '08. Vit D is still low, whether I drink milk or not.)

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your replies...all the Vitamind D that I have been taking is D3...even the 50K IU's that I am currently on weekly via prescription. I will continue to take my supplements as well, even though they said not to. I will also e-mail Bradley to find out more info.

Thank you again!

[Guest guest]

I have osteoporosis and also had low levels of Vit D. My endocrinologist

put me on high doses of Citracal and Vit D. It wasn't until after I

started sitting in the sun for 15 minutes 4-5 times a week that my Vit D

levels came up substantially. As we age, I don't think our bodies absorb

these two in pill form as well. It's worth a try.

Perla

[Guest guest]

I have a friend whose ND had her start taking 10k of vit D3 daily.

She's taken this for some years now and seems to just need it because

she said this is the first time she's not caught every virus going

around. Do make sure you take D3, though.

[Guest guest]

The easiest way to take Vitamin D (and

vitamin B12) is in liquid form.

Contact The Nutri Centre, Unit 3

Kendal Court, Kendal Avenue,

London, W3 0RU;

Phone 0845 602 6744; email enq@...

; Web Site www.nutricentre.com

Nutri Centre is part of Tesco, so if you have

a Tesco Club Card, use it. Readers of New Pathways from MSRC may get a discount

on some products.

The Vitamin D product is no longer advertised

on the web site. Call them and ask for Product No. BIO 1012 Bio D mulsion Forte

by Biotics Research Corporation, cost approx Stg£12 plus p & p.

As far as I recall one drop =the equivalent

of 2,000 iu

It is normally recommended that you get your

Vitamin D levels checked before you start and monitor thereafter.

This is a quote from the MS Diet Forum

“What you really need to know, and take note of, are the actual

readings for your 25(OH(D and serum calcium tests. That way, you can monitor

your progress and be confident that you are maintaining the optimum level which

is in excess of 50ng/ml(125nmols/l)”

Your doctor may not know about this test, and do the wrong one,

or may be reluctant to do it. I think that your blood sample has to be frozen as

soon as it is taken, and sent off to the lab immediately.

Please note that USA uses a different measure.

The best people to consult on all things to do with diet, nutrition

and supplementation are the Best Bet Diet (BBD) people. See www.msrc.co.uk

You can join their forum there or here:

MS-Diet/

While this is set up for MS people,

as far as I can see most auto immune conditions have similar issues, and the nutrition

advice that applies to MSers is relevant to everybody.

Tommy

1b.

Re: Will LDN prevent or help absorb

Vit D?

Posted by:

" Nuala White " nualawhite@...

nualawhite@...

Fri Oct 16, 2009

11:53 am (PDT)

It may have been said already but can someone advise where I can get a hold

of the very high dose capsules please?

Thanks

Nuala

Ps preferably not i-herb as it seems every order I now place with them

incurs a huge customs demand from mr.

Nuala

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Fortified milk does offer some vitamin d but not enough to raise or lower your D levels. Malabsorbtion and/or leaky gut can prevent your body from getting enough nutrients, including vitamins:

The Gluten Intolerant are at Risk for Vitamin D Deficiency

Patients with celiac disease and gluten intolerance tend to malabsorb Vitamin D, a fat soluble vitamin. Fat soluble vitamins are absorbed predominantly through the tips of the villi of the intestinal lining, the first place to sustain damage in most gluten sensitive patients. Therefore long before a person may have gluten-related symptoms, vitamin D (and therefore calcium) is having difficulty being absorbed.

http://www.glutenfreefox.com/articles/gluten-and-vitamin-d-deficiency.html

More Vitamin D info:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/science/research/vitamin-d-and-celiac-disease.shtml

Nola C

In a message dated 10/15/2009 11:52:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ymybc@... writes:

My Vitamin D Level is really low, I am taking 50K units a week now, for the third time. Second round did bring it up...but then it went back down. If for some reason after this round, my Vit D doesn't stay up in six months when they re-test, they are going to send me to some specialist because my body seems to not want to absorb it. Since I just started taking LDN, do you think it will help my body finally absorb this Vit D? In the meantime, any suggestions on how to get my body to absorb this important Vit? (I was taking first a 1K Supplement, then currently a 2K one. I was low even while drinking milk all of the time, and stopped milk once diagnosed with MS in Feb. '08. Vit D is still low, whether I drink milk or not.)

[Guest guest]

I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level of 70-80 ng/ml. I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?) now. My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of 49. The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it. I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily. I still could NOT get to the higher levels. I even alternated my 5,000iu daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress. I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time raising my level. He responded that as research scientists that they as yet do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people. He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my "set point". He suggested that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident that it was enough. He also faxed me some studies and in one of them (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those who took smaller doses daily trying to build up. I would fall into the second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an extended time period.I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to see if my issue is absorbency. My last test had just a small increase. From 41 --> 43. I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3. I'll be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference. .....This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher, may also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues. When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues. I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the D deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity. ??? Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'. So I wrote to Dr Holick. His answer surprised me. Dr Holick responded:"Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D"So perhaps that is what is going on with me. My immune system is being activated and it's using more vitamin D. I'll continue to take at least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter. On some days I may take 10,000iu. Best wishes,JannBTW: The Vitamin D Council has a website that has tons of information about vitamin D deficiency.

The Vitamin D Council's website is a great place to learn about vitamin D deficienies issues.

[Guest guest]

we have seen difference with products.when it was D-cure 25000iu in one ampule

every 2 weeks it was good and when it was now 5000 iu 5 times in 2 weeks,it did

not work.

another doctor recomended douglas lab drops.

>

> I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level

> of 70-80 ng/ml. I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?)

> now. My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after

> years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of 49.

> The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it

> closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it.

>

> I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing

> over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily. I still

> could NOT get to the higher levels. I even alternated my 5,000iu

> daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress.

>

> I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr

> Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time

> raising my level. He responded that as research scientists that they

> as yet do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D

> conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people.

> He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in

> the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my " set point " . He suggested

> that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident

> that it was enough. He also faxed me some studies and in one of them

> (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very

> large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those

> who took smaller doses daily trying to build up. I would fall into the

> second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an

> extended time period.

>

> I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to

> see if my issue is absorbency. My last test had just a small increase.

> From 41 --> 43. I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3. I'll

> be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference.

> .....

>

> This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher, may

> also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues.

>

> When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by

> the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues.

> I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the D

> deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity. ???

> Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'. So I wrote to Dr Holick.

> His answer surprised me.

>

> Dr Holick responded:

>

> " Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and

> when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D "

>

>

> So perhaps that is what is going on with me. My immune system is being

> activated and it's using more vitamin D. I'll continue to take at

> least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter. On some days I may

> take 10,000iu.

>

> Best wishes,

> Jann

>

> BTW: The Vitamin D Council has a website

> <http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/> that has tons of information about

> vitamin D deficiency.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The Vitamin D Council's website is a great place to learn about vitamin

> D deficienies issues.

>

[Guest guest]

Jann,Some thoughts.First: many of us with autoimmune diseases have gluten and some diary intolerances. Also, most of us have been eating pro-inflammatory diets (high carbs, sugar and vegetable oils). From what I've read and from my own experiences, a anti-inflammatory diet like the above could improve your health and your vitamin D3 levels:

http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2008/09/anti-inflammatory-diet.htmlhttp://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2009/10/migraine-headache-diet.html

 Second, vitamin D3 has to be taken in gel form, since it need fat to it be absorbed.Last thing, from all I have been read daily intake of vitamin D is better than weekly or monthly.

Take care!.Some research:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18957956

Does vitamin D3 dosing schedule influence treatment efficacy in nursing home residents with vitamin D deficiency?

Holick MF.

Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Nutrition, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA 02118, USA. mfholick@...

Vitamin D deficiency is a common problem among elderly nursing home residents. In this Practice Point commentary, I discuss the findings and limitations of a randomized, controlled trial by Chel et al. that evaluated the effect of equivalent oral doses of vitamin D(3) given as 600 IU daily, 4,200 IU weekly or 18,000 IU monthly. Regardless of the dosing schedule, oral administration of vitamin D(3) was associated with increased levels of serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D and reduced levels of parathyroid hormone in the study cohort. Daily administration of vitamin D(3) was found to be more effective than either weekly or monthly administration. The addition of calcium supplementation for a 2-week period did not appreciably augment the effects of vitamin D(3) supplementation. Here, I highlight the issues to consider when interpreting studies of vitamin D(3) supplementation, its effect on vitamin D status, and the consequences for calcium and bone metabolism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17874029

Efficacy of different doses and time intervals of oral vitamin D supplementation with or without calcium in elderly nursing home residents.

Chel V, Wijnhoven HA, Smit JH, Ooms M, Lips P.

Verpleeghuis Marienhave, Warmond, The Netherlands.

SUMMARY: The effect of equivalent oral doses of vitamin D3 600 IU/day, 4200 IU/week and 18,000 IU/month on vitamin D status was compared in a randomized clinical trial in nursing home residents. A daily dose was more effective than a weekly dose, and a monthly dose was the least effective. INTRODUCTION: It is assumed that equivalent daily, weekly or monthly doses of vitamin D3 equally influence vitamin D status. This was investigated in a randomized clinical trial in nursing home residents. METHODS: The study was performed in ten nursing homes including 338 subjects (76 male and 262 female), with a mean age of 84 (+/- SD 6.3 years). They received oral vitamin D3 either 600 IU/day, or 4200 IU/week, or 18,000 IU/month or placebo. After 4 months, calcium was added during 2 weeks, 320 mg/day or 640 mg/day or placebo. Outcome: serum levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D), parathyroid hormone (PTH) and bone turnover markers. Statistical approach: linear multilevel analysis. RESULTS: At baseline, mean serum 25(OH)D was 25.0 nmol/L (SD 10.9), and in 98%, it was lower than 50 nmol/L. After 4 months, mean serum 25(OH)D levels increased to 62.5 nmol/L (after daily vitamin D3 69.9 nmol/L, weekly 67.2 nmol/L and monthly 53.1 nmol/L, P < 0.001 between groups). Median serum PTH levels decreased by 23% (p < 0.001). Bone turnover markers did not decrease. Calcium supplementation had no effect on serum PTH and bone turnover. CONCLUSION: Daily vitamin D was more effective than weekly, and monthly administration was the least effective.

2009/10/17 jannz2 <jbreslin@...>>> I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level of 70-80 ng/ml.  I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?) now.  My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of  49.   The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it.   

>> I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily.   I still could NOT get to the higher levels.    I even alternated my 5,000iu daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress. 

>> I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time raising my level.   He responded that as research scientists that they as yet  do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people.  He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my " set point " .    He suggested that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident that it was enough.    He also faxed me some studies and in one of them (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those who took smaller doses daily trying to build up.   I would fall into the second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an extended time period.

>> I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to see if my issue is absorbency.   My last test had just a small increase.  From 41 --> 43.   I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3.   I'll be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference.

> .....>> This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher,  may also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues.  >> When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues.   I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the  D deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity.  ???   Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'.    So I wrote to Dr Holick.   His answer surprised me.  

>> Dr Holick responded:>> " Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D " >>> So perhaps that is what is going on with me.  My immune system is being activated and it's using more vitamin D.   I'll continue to take at least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter.  On some days I may take 10,000iu. 

>> Best wishes,> Jann>> BTW:  The Vitamin D Council has a website  that has tons of information about vitamin D deficiency. 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jann, thanks for your comments on your Vit D experiences.

I was quite deficient in late 06, 15, and my doc put me on 4K right away. It took time and it took 6 months for my D level to get to where my depression lifted. I think I was at 34-36 when it went away. I continue on 5-6K daily along with my 500 mg of calcium, 3 mg of Boron and added Vit K2, 50 mcg, as one of our holistic docs in our town is finding helps with the absorption of D also. I guess there is research on this now. I take all the above together.

My last blood work showed me at 56 from a low of 15.

And to think of all the people suffering out there with horribly low Vit D levels. Very sad commentary on our medical society and lack of help to our people with such an inexpensive, much needed, hormone...

In the last 6 months or so I've included 400 mcg of Selenium in my regime, and my Hashi antiobiodies have dropped 300 pts. Also eliminating Gluten products.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Will LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level of 70-80 ng/ml. I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?) now. My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of 49. The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it. I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily. I still could NOT get to the higher levels. I even alternated my 5,000iu daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress. I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time raising my level. He responded that as research scientists that they as yet do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people. He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my "set point". He suggested that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident that it was enough. He also faxed me some studies and in one of them (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those who took smaller doses daily trying to build up. I would fall into the second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an extended time period.I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to see if my issue is absorbency. My last test had just a small increase. From 41 --> 43. I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3. I'll be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference. .....This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher, may also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues. When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues. I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the D deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity. ??? Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'. So I wrote to Dr Holick. His answer surprised me. Dr Holick responded:"Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D"So perhaps that is what is going on with me. My immune system is being activated and it's using more vitamin D. I'll continue to take at least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter. On some days I may take 10,000iu. Best wishes,JannBTW: The Vitamin D Council has a website that has tons of information about vitamin D deficiency.

The Vitamin D Council's website is a great place to learn about vitamin D deficienies issues.

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Too high a D-125 level might mean a D disfunction. 20-30 might be the right range ,in a healthy person. Check out the Marshall Protocol.com. I did this for lyme, and got cured. His theory is some people take D and it turns, too quiclky into D-125 and this messes up your immune system, and you should take less D, until your cured.Worked for me.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of jannz2Sent: Sat 10/17/2009 10:13 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Will LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level of 70-80 ng/ml. I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?) now. My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of 49. The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it. I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily. I still could NOT get to the higher levels. I even alternated my 5,000iu daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress. I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time raising my level. He responded that as research scientists that they as yet do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people. He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my "set point". He suggested that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident that it was enough. He also faxed me some studies and in one of them (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those who took smaller doses daily trying to build up. I would fall into the second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an extended time period.I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to see if my issue is absorbency. My last test had just a small increase. From 41 --> 43. I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3. I'll be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference. .....This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher, may also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues. When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues. I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the D deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity. ??? Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'. So I wrote to Dr Holick. His answer surprised me. Dr Holick responded:"Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D"So perhaps that is what is going on with me. My immune system is being activated and it's using more vitamin D. I'll continue to take at least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter. On some days I may take 10,000iu. Best wishes,JannBTW: The Vitamin D Council has a website that has tons of information about vitamin D deficiency.

The Vitamin D Council's website is a great place to learn about vitamin D deficienies issues.

[Guest guest]

Are you taking omega threes with your d?CyndiSent from my iPhoneClenz@... On Oct 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Ron Ball <rball@...> wrote:

Too high a D-125 level might mean a D disfunction. 20-30 might be the right range ,in a healthy person. Check out the Marshall Protocol.com. I did this for lyme, and got cured. His theory is some people take D and it turns, too quiclky into D-125 and this messes up your immune system, and you should take less D, until your cured.Worked for me.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of jannz2Sent: Sat 10/17/2009 10:13 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Will LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level of 70-80 ng/ml. I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?) now. My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of 49. The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it. I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily. I still could NOT get to the higher levels. I even alternated my 5,000iu daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress. I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time raising my level. He responded that as research scientists that they as yet do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people. He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my "set point". He suggested that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident that it was enough. He also faxed me some studies and in one of them (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those who took smaller doses daily trying to build up. I would fall into the second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an extended time period.I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to see if my issue is absorbency. My last test had just a small increase. From 41 --> 43. I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3. I'll be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference. .....This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher, may also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues. When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues. I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the D deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity. ??? Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'. So I wrote to Dr Holick. His answer surprised me. Dr Holick responded:"Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D"So perhaps that is what is going on with me. My immune system is being activated and it's using more vitamin D. I'll continue to take at least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter. On some days I may take 10,000iu. Best wishes,JannBTW: The Vitamin D Council has a website that has tons of information about vitamin D deficiency.

The Vitamin D Council's website is a great place to learn about vitamin D deficienies issues.

[Guest guest]

Here's the deal this is what I believe as you take ldn a x it right your immune system since it in your gut the absorption improves. Make sure u take omega threes with d. I'm in dc if you guys are coming for the conferance give yourself some extra timeTo clear thru security CyndiSent from my iPhoneClenz@... On Oct 17, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Ron Ball <rball@...> wrote:

Too high a D-125 level might mean a D disfunction. 20-30 might be the right range ,in a healthy person. Check out the Marshall Protocol.com. I did this for lyme, and got cured. His theory is some people take D and it turns, too quiclky into D-125 and this messes up your immune system, and you should take less D, until your cured.Worked for me.

From: low dose naltrexone on behalf of jannz2Sent: Sat 10/17/2009 10:13 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Will LDN prevent or help absorb Vit D?

I've also had issues with getting my vitamin D level to a higher level of 70-80 ng/ml. I've been supplementing with D3 for at least 4yrs (?) now. My level at that time when I started was around 20 -- and after years of supplementing I've only been able to get it to a high of 49. The recommendation for those of us with autoimmune issues is to get it closer to the 70-80 levels as I understand it. I first started out taking 1,000iu D3 daily -- then after repeat testing over the years eventually ended up taking 5,000 iu daily. I still could NOT get to the higher levels. I even alternated my 5,000iu daily with a 10,000iu dose -- still no progress. I decided to contact one of the vitamin D research scientists -- Dr Bruce Hollis -- and ask if he had any ideas as to WHY I have a hard time raising my level. He responded that as research scientists that they as yet do NOT know enough about the enzyme that does the vitamin D conversion...but they do know that it is different in different people. He suggested that apparently my body will only allow my level to be in the 40-50 range and that perhaps this is my "set point". He suggested that I just continue to take the 5,000iu daily and to feel confident that it was enough. He also faxed me some studies and in one of them (done in Hawaii) it described how D deficient folks that took a very large dose of D were able to get their level higher quicker than those who took smaller doses daily trying to build up. I would fall into the second group -- I've been taking comparatively smaller doses for an extended time period.I also have been experimenting with some liquid forms of vitamin D3 to see if my issue is absorbency. My last test had just a small increase. From 41 --> 43. I'm now trying a different brand of liquid D3. I'll be retesting in about 8wks so we'll see if THAT makes a difference. .....This comment from Dr Holick, another vitamin D researcher, may also be related to those of us with autoimmune issues. When I first started researching vitamin D (4yrs ago) I was intrigued by the researcher comments that autoimmune folks had D deficiency issues. I wanted to know if it was the autoimmunity CAUSING the D deficiency...or was it the DEFICIENCY causing the the autoimmunity. ??? Essentially the 'chicken and egg question'. So I wrote to Dr Holick. His answer surprised me. Dr Holick responded:"Both are probably correct...D deficiency alters the immune system and when the immune system is activated it uses more vitamin D"So perhaps that is what is going on with me. My immune system is being activated and it's using more vitamin D. I'll continue to take at least 5,000iu D3 daily especially during the winter. On some days I may take 10,000iu. Best wishes,JannBTW: The Vitamin D Council has a website that has tons of information about vitamin D deficiency.

The Vitamin D Council's website is a great place to learn about vitamin D deficienies issues.

[Guest guest]

My vitamin D levels remained low for the past few years in

spite of taking 4,000 IU of D3 with omega 3’s. My level stayed in the

30’s every time it was checked. Now after being on LDN for 2 months, my

level is 70. I have no idea if LDN is responsible for the increase. I only

know that test after test over the past few years my D level stayed low and

there was no increase until I started taking LDN.

Kim

[Guest guest]

what is your disease

>

> My vitamin D levels remained low for the past few years in spite of taking

> 4,000 IU of D3 with omega 3's. My level stayed in the 30's every time it

> was checked. Now after being on LDN for 2 months, my level is 70. I have

> no idea if LDN is responsible for the increase. I only know that test after

> test over the past few years my D level stayed low and there was no increase

> until I started taking LDN.

>

>

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jann, thank you all! I now know what is next to try and I now feel like LDN will only help me. I will let you all know what I did, and what my test results will next read...six months from now...

Thank you again all of you LDNers!

[Guest guest]

That's really interesting Kim and good to know that your D

levels

increased after LDN.

Garnet

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Kim wrote:

>

>

> My vitamin D levels remained low for the past few years in spite of

> taking 4,000 IU of D3 with omega 3’s. My level stayed in the 30’s

> every time it was checked. Now after being on LDN for 2 months, my

> level is 70. I have no idea if LDN is responsible for the increase. I

> only know that test after test over the past few years my D level stayed

> low and there was no increase until I started taking LDN.

>

>

>

> Kim

>

>

[Guest guest]

A compromised GI system can prevent absorpsion of many vitamins, if so you can

take sublingual vit D instead. Perhaps LDN in this case helped heal your GI

system.

>

> My vitamin D levels remained low for the past few years in spite of taking

> 4,000 IU of D3 with omega 3's. My level stayed in the 30's every time it

> was checked. Now after being on LDN for 2 months, my level is 70. I have

> no idea if LDN is responsible for the increase. I only know that test after

> test over the past few years my D level stayed low and there was no increase

> until I started taking LDN.

>

>

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

Actually my GI system is compromised. I am not making

enough stomach acid and I have inflammation in my stomach. I have Chronic

Fatigue and Lyme disease which both have the gut issues. LDN has not healed my

stomach issues as of yet. I am starting probiotics in hopes of helping the

healing process start.

Kim