Re: That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

[Guest guest]

And it might not have done any good whatsoever to open your mouth beforehand.

It takes time to educate people. Most folks aren't going to listen to someone

that sounds like a member of " the lunatic fringe " over listening to their

doctor, especially during an acute crisis. There are a bunch of studies that

show that most folks will just do as they are told by authority figures, up to

and including doing things they believe may harm or even kill others. Reality

backs up these studies. As I understand it, the studies were inspired by " The

Nuremberg Defense " -- ie " I was just following orders " (the defense given over

and over at the Nazi War Crimes trials).

I'm not trying to discourage you from speaking up. Just realize that a)

speaking up doesn't usually get short-term results and you can alienate a lot

of people in the process.

I continue to wrestle with how and when to speak up. There are often no clear

cut answers.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum

and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and

told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to

mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year

old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax

he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections

and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

[Guest guest]

I have a son in medical school and we have had more vaccine battles in this

house than you could ever believe. He is totally for vaccines and has been

taught " the good of the whole " theory, where there will be some casualties and

believes everything the CDC says. I on the other hand believe something

opposite. If the CDC says it, I wonder about the validity.

 

What about the dangers of aluminum?

From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

Subject: [ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

 

I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum and

posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and told

my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to mention,

the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year old most

likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections and

on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

[Guest guest]

I have thought a lot about this issue.

 

In the beginning, when we were first realizing the full magnitutude of what

was really going on with our two boys I came across two women in particular that

told me two ideas/thoughts that were completely forgein to me.

 

1.  Remove dairy as soon as possible.

2.  Stop vaccinating.

 

For each of these conversations I had with these two COURAGEOUS women (over two

years ago now) I had no idea WHY they were telling me this!  It just didn't

make sense to me at all.  But it got me thinking... and reading... and

questioning... and eventually created huge changes in our lives (all for the

better).

 

So my point is, you never know who is quietly listening, even if you never speak

again.  I personally have elvoved a GREAT distance in my thinking regarding

issues on my children's health... and neither of these women even know this fact

because they were essentially strangers to me... but they were people who made a

great impact on my family. 

 

So you never know who you may touch with your words.  We all must keep trying

because it may make a difference in a child's life... for those who are quietly

taking it all in.

From: michele_in_california <talithamichele@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:47 AM

 

And it might not have done any good whatsoever to open your mouth beforehand.

It takes time to educate people. Most folks aren't going to listen to someone

that sounds like a member of " the lunatic fringe " over listening to their

doctor, especially during an acute crisis. There are a bunch of studies that

show that most folks will just do as they are told by authority figures, up to

and including doing things they believe may harm or even kill others. Reality

backs up these studies. As I understand it, the studies were inspired by " The

Nuremberg Defense " -- ie " I was just following orders " (the defense given over

and over at the Nazi War Crimes trials).

I'm not trying to discourage you from speaking up. Just realize that a) speaking

up doesn't usually get short-term results and you can alienate a lot of

people in the process.

I continue to wrestle with how and when to speak up. There are often no clear

cut answers.

Peace.

Michele

http://www.healthga zelle.com

http://www.kidslike mine.com

http://www.solanora il.com

>

> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum and

posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and told

my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to mention,

the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year old most

likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections and

on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

[Guest guest]

It's an article I wrote, but wasn't completely finished yet. I wanted to get

the word out though, so I put it on my blog and facebook page. You can read it

if you want:

http://brandonsrecovery.blogspot.com

>

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> From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

> Subject: [ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

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> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

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> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum and

posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and told

my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to mention,

the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year old most

likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections and

on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

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[Guest guest]

I just kept my mouth shut while my medical resident (pediatrics) brother in law

and medical resident (peds psych) wife vaccinated their newborn son in

September. He has not been the easiest baby; lots of crying and colic. I've

gone through the arguments in years past with my brother-in-law (trained

epidemiologist, too), especially when he wrote a paper recommending increasing

the chicken pox vaccines after vaccinated kids started getting the disease. It

is damned hard to argue science with a science guy when you are not a science

girl!

Sad. Ironically, this bro in law received a smallpox vaccine back in the 1990s

(after 9-11) and had a bad reaction. He is careful about what vaccines he

receives and fully understands why they carry risks; just not the risks I talk

about.

I think that Dad is being a bit dramatic. He can do something about what he has

done, and in the least he can start educating himself to avoid succumbing to

vaccine pressure in the future. If he turned on vaccines by reading 1 article

he will likely turn back to 'pro' vaccine if given a 'pro vaccine' article. He

needs to start researching to form a solid opinion. If he is receptive, start

forwarding more info ASAP. Include info on limiting the damage already done.

Are his kids " neurotypical " or is he seeing issues and now wondering if they are

vaccine related?

You are a good friend to worry and feel guilty, but you cannot predict what

people will and how they will react. Now that you have been involved, go for

it!

Pam

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> From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@...>

> Subject: [ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

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> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

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> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum and

posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and told

my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to mention,

the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year old most

likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections and

on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

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[Guest guest]

Your story fits well with my point that speaking up usually doesn't get short

term results. In other words, if someone expects people to act immediately,

then thank them, etc., the odds are poor of it going like that. You may get

people thinking and there is merit to that. But the odds of stopping someone

from vaccinating by speaking up just prior to a doctor's appointment are poor.

Again: It takes time to educate people. Most of the time, putting the

information out there with as little drama as possible so people can think about

it without having to initially " take a stand " one way or the other is usually

the best way to give controversial info a chance to take root and sprout.

And, just in case I wasn't clear enough, part of my point is that I see no

reason for someone to feel guilty about failing to stop something like this.

Vaccinating is the norm for this culture: most people do it and it is strongly

encouraged by the federal government, medical establishment, etc. That's huge.

The power differential is much greater than " and Goliath " . If you make

headway here and there, wonderful. But I would encourage people to count their

successes and be forgiving with themselves for their 'failures'.

Also, sometimes people just don't see it until it is " obvious " -- ie until

something goes terribly, horribly wrong. I had to nearly die to a get useful

diagnosis and finally get taken seriously by doctors after a lifetime of being

treated like a whiner and hypochondriac. I can't say that I regret the

suffering involved in nearly dying because it saved my life and gave me a much

better quality of life than I had ever had. My life had been one frustration

after another and filled with a tremendous sense of failure over all the things

I felt I 'should' be able to do but never managed. If someone finally has seen

the light, even though it is from the depths of despair, that's a good thing.

Carry on with helping them get their kids well and overlook whatever had to

happen for them to get there.

Just my 2 cents.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

> I have thought a lot about this issue.

>  

> In the beginning, when we were first realizing the full magnitutude of what

was really going on with our two boys I came across two women in particular that

told me two ideas/thoughts that were completely forgein to me.

>  

> 1.  Remove dairy as soon as possible.

> 2.  Stop vaccinating.

>  

> For each of these conversations I had with these two COURAGEOUS women (over

two years ago now) I had no idea WHY they were telling me this!  It just didn't

make sense to me at all.  But it got me thinking... and reading... and

questioning... and eventually created huge changes in our lives (all for the

better).

>  

> So my point is, you never know who is quietly listening, even if you never

speak again.  I personally have elvoved a GREAT distance in my thinking

regarding issues on my children's health... and neither of these women even know

this fact because they were essentially strangers to me... but they were people

who made a great impact on my family. 

>  

> So you never know who you may touch with your words.  We all must keep trying

because it may make a difference in a child's life... for those who are quietly

taking it all in.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Liz,

You are a very compassionate person, but it is not your job to save the people

that aren't ready for it. Can I suggest saving others by saving your own kids

and being the example. When our kids were diagnosed it was 4 in 10,0000. Now it

is 1 in 150. By numbers they can't be ignored and progress is being made. Kids

are recovering. I don't fear as much for the kids that become autistic now as

it was for my son when no one knew what was going on, and very few cared.

I have a very close friend who just had a baby girl and happens to be single and

nineteen. She is very dear to me as I had my son almost 15 years ago when I was

22, single, and scared to death. I wanted to tell her don't vaccinate, but I

knew her perdiatrician would just tell her there is nothing to worry about,

there are no reputable studies linking autism and vaccinations. I knew I would

not hold as much water as her pediatrician.

Instead I told her, " don't vaccinate if Edie is sick. Don't do it if you even

think she might be coming down with something. It's okay if she gets them later

than on schedule because she will never be exposed to the diseases she is being

vcaccinated for anyway. Don't let your pediatrician make you feel bad if you are

late getting her a vaccination or if you don't want her to get them all on the

same day. It really is okay to delay them. It's not worth the risk. "

She is a strong girl, but very few are strong enough to go against a

pediatrician with a waiting room full of screaming infants on a schedule. I

think telling her it is okay to delay will go over better than it is okay to go

100% against main stream medicine.

McCarthy says she is not against vaccinations, she is against vaccinating

everyone across the board without trying to figure out why some kids react

adversely.

Jen

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> > From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@>

> > Subject: [ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

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> > I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum and

posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and told

my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to mention,

the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year old most

likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

> >

> > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before

they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

> >

> > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> >

> > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

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[Guest guest]

My parents hosted the neighborhood New Years eve party. Was in for a visit on

Sunday. Mom gave me the updated on everyone, grew up in the neighborhood,

almost all the same people. One has come down with Alzheimer's, mom said it's

getting really bad. My mom, I tell her what all I'm doing for the boys, she

sees the difference. She didn't get the swine flu shot but they both get the

reg flu shot. I keep telling them the increase in autism and Alzheimer's is due

to vaccines. Get your dose of mercury get Alzheimer's even sooner. She thinks

twice but continues.

Another friend, back in the mid 70's, had a bad reaction to the swine flu

vaccine and claims she was sick the remaining winter and took months to feel

better so she didn't do it this time. Can not remember if she got her flu one

or not. But I tell her about the mercury in vaccines, just watch, the increase

in Alzheimer's and autism, our young and our old have issues. There is a

connection. Here's the kicker, her son and daughter in law are both pharmacies.

They also don't get the flu shots but do vaccinate their kids. I told her I was

amazed that they did. Anyway....I'm not surprised either way but hopefully gets

her thinking.

When customers ask me if I get a flu shot, I say I'm not injecting any mercury

or toxins directly into my blood steam. Until vaccines are safe, NO WAY!

I want to play in the dirt more and plant a garden this year. Still debating

the tetanus shot. Hate it!

Tammy

[ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

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vaccines, MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about

aluminum and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the

vaccines and told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful.

Not to mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4

year old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu

vax he got.

> >

> > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before

they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

> >

> > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> >

> > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for feeling icky for the rest of us

My question is-once you have made the mistakes and kids are getting allergies

and lots of antibiotics- how do you come back from that?

Quite frankly, all the biomed stuff is soooo time consuming- I'm exhausted! My

son has been doing better for about 6 months- now all of a sudden he his

twirling his hair and humming and stimming like he did then. How deflating!

I'm like whats the flippin' point!? If nothing you do ever makes any permanent

gains- why kill yourself and spend all the money? Thousands of dollars later-

$80 bucks an hour for ABA therapy 10 hours a week, speech, group ABA, SPECT

scan, vitamins, DAN dr's aren't cheap-all my gray hair whew!! sorry

My son appears to get better after antibiotics and Tamiflu- but then you worry

constantly that maybe now he has allergies because I gave him antibiotics

because we saw cognitive gains for a while and then poof! um wht happened? He

doesn't seem sick- why is he regressing!?

Any body with advice besides shut up and stop whining? ANybody?Anybody?

Thanks,

SHannon

>

> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum

and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and

told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to

mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year

old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax

he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections

and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

[Guest guest]

I am no doctor but what I understand is that when you give antibiotics it

reduces inflammation in the gut and brain.  This causes a temporary gain.

 Nobody can stay on antibiotics forever or it will kill the immunities.  The

good bacteria get killed when one takes antibiotics.  This allows the bad

bacteria to thrive.  When the antibiotics are finished the person taking them

is actually worse off than before because they have depleted the good bacteria

from the intestines.FWIW,Margaret

From: S <webshopping2009@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 4:56 AM

 

Thanks for feeling icky for the rest of us

My question is-once you have made the mistakes and kids are getting allergies

and lots of antibiotics- how do you come back from that?

Quite frankly, all the biomed stuff is soooo time consuming- I'm exhausted! My

son has been doing better for about 6 months- now all of a sudden he his

twirling his hair and humming and stimming like he did then. How deflating!

I'm like whats the flippin' point!? If nothing you do ever makes any permanent

gains- why kill yourself and spend all the money? Thousands of dollars later-

$80 bucks an hour for ABA therapy 10 hours a week, speech, group ABA, SPECT

scan, vitamins, DAN dr's aren't cheap-all my gray hair whew!! sorry

My son appears to get better after antibiotics and Tamiflu- but then you worry

constantly that maybe now he has allergies because I gave him antibiotics

because we saw cognitive gains for a while and then poof! um wht happened? He

doesn't seem sick- why is he regressing!?

Any body with advice besides shut up and stop whining? ANybody?Anybody?

Thanks,

SHannon

>

> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum

and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and

told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to

mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year

old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax

he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before they

were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen cause

I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear infections

and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

[Guest guest]

I took a lot of antibiotics and other drugs for a few years. I came back by

working on healing the gut and removing toxic stuff from my home. It took time

but it can be done. For me, probiotics, lettuce, working on PH balance, good

quality sea salt, glyconutrients and the right oils did wonders. It took

several years to undo decades of damage. Presumably if there is less damage, it

can be done in less time than that.

I've gotten well without a doctor. Yes, we spent plenty. But there were a lot

of things we did relatively cheaply or we couldn't have done it at all.

Good luck with this.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

>

>

> Thanks for feeling icky for the rest of us

> My question is-once you have made the mistakes and kids are getting allergies

and lots of antibiotics- how do you come back from that?

> Quite frankly, all the biomed stuff is soooo time consuming- I'm exhausted!

My son has been doing better for about 6 months- now all of a sudden he his

twirling his hair and humming and stimming like he did then. How deflating!

I'm like whats the flippin' point!? If nothing you do ever makes any permanent

gains- why kill yourself and spend all the money? Thousands of dollars later-

$80 bucks an hour for ABA therapy 10 hours a week, speech, group ABA, SPECT

scan, vitamins, DAN dr's aren't cheap-all my gray hair whew!! sorry

> My son appears to get better after antibiotics and Tamiflu- but then you worry

constantly that maybe now he has allergies because I gave him antibiotics

because we saw cognitive gains for a while and then poof! um wht happened? He

doesn't seem sick- why is he regressing!?

>

> Any body with advice besides shut up and stop whining? ANybody?Anybody?

> Thanks,

> SHannon

[Guest guest]

I will add that I also did a lot of stuff to kill infection so I could get off

the antibiotics. This included things like heat treatments and OLE, vitamin A,

vitamin E, OoO...etc.

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.com

http://www.kidslikemine.com

http://www.solanorail.com

> >

> >

> > Thanks for feeling icky for the rest of us

> > My question is-once you have made the mistakes and kids are getting

allergies and lots of antibiotics- how do you come back from that?

> > Quite frankly, all the biomed stuff is soooo time consuming- I'm exhausted!

My son has been doing better for about 6 months- now all of a sudden he his

twirling his hair and humming and stimming like he did then. How deflating!

I'm like whats the flippin' point!? If nothing you do ever makes any permanent

gains- why kill yourself and spend all the money? Thousands of dollars later-

$80 bucks an hour for ABA therapy 10 hours a week, speech, group ABA, SPECT

scan, vitamins, DAN dr's aren't cheap-all my gray hair whew!! sorry

> > My son appears to get better after antibiotics and Tamiflu- but then you

worry constantly that maybe now he has allergies because I gave him antibiotics

because we saw cognitive gains for a while and then poof! um wht happened? He

doesn't seem sick- why is he regressing!?

> >

> > Any body with advice besides shut up and stop whining? ANybody?Anybody?

> > Thanks,

> > SHannon

>

[Guest guest]

The weather absolutely sucks right now, and my son is not thrilled about

returning to school after such a nice break. I think winter is hard on our

kids. Less exposure to sunlight. I bet it will lift a little in spring.

> >

> > I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu

vaccines, MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about

aluminum and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the

vaccines and told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt

awful. Not to mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury -

which his 4 year old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and

the swine flu vax he got.

> >

> > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before

they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

> >

> > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> >

> > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would look into PANDAS? Treat, test? On your own you could do an antiviral

protocol and look into a low histamine diet.

I think lots of probiotics and doing digestive enzymes with meals is just a

great way to heal the tummy.

Tammy

[ ] Re: That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

Thanks for feeling icky for the rest of us

My question is-once you have made the mistakes and kids are getting allergies

and lots of antibiotics- how do you come back from that?

Quite frankly, all the biomed stuff is soooo time consuming- I'm exhausted! My

son has been doing better for about 6 months- now all of a sudden he his

twirling his hair and humming and stimming like he did then. How deflating! I'm

like whats the flippin' point!? If nothing you do ever makes any permanent

gains- why kill yourself and spend all the money? Thousands of dollars later-

$80 bucks an hour for ABA therapy 10 hours a week, speech, group ABA, SPECT

scan, vitamins, DAN dr's aren't cheap-all my gray hair whew!! sorry

My son appears to get better after antibiotics and Tamiflu- but then you worry

constantly that maybe now he has allergies because I gave him antibiotics

because we saw cognitive gains for a while and then poof! um wht happened? He

doesn't seem sick- why is he regressing!?

Any body with advice besides shut up and stop whining? ANybody?Anybody?

Thanks,

SHannon

>

> I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu vaccines,

MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about aluminum and

posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the vaccines and told

my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful. Not to mention,

the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4 year old most

likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

>

> I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before

they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

>

> Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

>

> Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

>

[Guest guest]

>>My son has been doing better for about 6 months- now all of a sudden he his

twirling his hair and humming and stimming like he did then.

These were yeast symptoms here, but can also be bacteria symptoms.

> My son appears to get better after antibiotics

Try giving daily OLE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

You only need the tetanus shot if you have animals on your property, i.e. horses

and cows. Tetanus is in animal feces, etc. which is why it was widely

recommended when this country was mostly agricultural.

You're not going to get it from a nail on a city concrete sidewalk.

Barb

[ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu

vaccines, MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about

aluminum and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the

vaccines and told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful.

Not to mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4

year old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu

vax he got.

> >

> > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before

they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

> >

> > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> >

> > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

I've heard since we are going to have dirt moved in and the acreage we live on

was a part of a farm. What about all the wild life in the country? I guess

I'll research and think.....It's been years since I've had one. I love playing

in the dirt and after building, now this year I'll have time to start things up.

Tammy

[ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu

vaccines, MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about

aluminum and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the

vaccines and told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful.

Not to mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4

year old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu

vax he got.

> >

> > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day before

they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have opened my

mouth, but I didn't.

> >

> > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> >

> > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the public.

Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm putting

one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is leading sheep

to the slaughter.

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

Tammy,

I think the tetanus shots actually last a lot longer than they used to

think.. you don’t need boosters every 10 years like they used to (and still

sometimes) say.

Good wound care goes a long way too.

Good Luck

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Tammy Kuhn

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:08 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

I've heard since we are going to have dirt moved in and the acreage we live

on was a part of a farm. What about all the wild life in the country? I

guess I'll research and think.....It's been years since I've had one. I love

playing in the dirt and after building, now this year I'll have time to

start things up.

Tammy

[ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

> >

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> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu

vaccines, MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote

about aluminum and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got

the vaccines and told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He

felt awful. Not to mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of

mercury - which his 4 year old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular

flu vax and the swine flu vax he got.

> >

> > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day

before they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have

opened my mouth, but I didn't.

> >

> > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> >

> > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the

public. Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change.

I'm putting one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone

is leading sheep to the slaughter.

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

I do have two questions...

1. Has anyone tried Epicor to reset the immune system of their child? When

I read about this, I thought it might be good to add to the protocol.

2. We've been trying to get our son (22) back on taking his supps as his

main problems now are ocd thoughts), actions/voices around him greatly

bother him, and anxiety (pretty bad).

The reason he hasn't been taking them, is he got the linden method which

tells him to 'not see doctors', 'don't read any medical information', 'you

don't need any supps', all of the ocd and anxiety is because your amygdala

is in high stress and you need a hobby to occupy your mind to bring down the

stress level. I am sure he has organic problems/issues and am pressuring

him to again take supplements.

My game plan is to get him on mms (jim humble's mms), lithium, minerals,

whole b vitamins, fish oil, Epicor to start. We've overwhelmed him in the

past with other protocols, so we want to keep it simple. Does anyone have

any other suggestions, such as ALA? He doesn't have any fillings in his

teeth. We learned long ago to keep our kids away from the dentist (at least

we did one thing right)

Please share your thoughts as I want to put him on the best possible

supplements for his current issues.

Lin

[Guest guest]

Have you tested for strep to see if that may be feeding the OCD?

>

> I do have two questions...

> 1. Has anyone tried Epicor to reset the immune system of their child? When

> I read about this, I thought it might be good to add to the protocol.

>

> 2. We've been trying to get our son (22) back on taking his supps as his

> main problems now are ocd thoughts), actions/voices around him greatly

> bother him, and anxiety (pretty bad).

>

> The reason he hasn't been taking them, is he got the linden method which

> tells him to 'not see doctors', 'don't read any medical information', 'you

> don't need any supps', all of the ocd and anxiety is because your amygdala

> is in high stress and you need a hobby to occupy your mind to bring down the

> stress level. I am sure he has organic problems/issues and am pressuring

> him to again take supplements.

>

> My game plan is to get him on mms (jim humble's mms), lithium, minerals,

> whole b vitamins, fish oil, Epicor to start. We've overwhelmed him in the

> past with other protocols, so we want to keep it simple. Does anyone have

> any other suggestions, such as ALA? He doesn't have any fillings in his

> teeth. We learned long ago to keep our kids away from the dentist (at least

> we did one thing right)

> Please share your thoughts as I want to put him on the best possible

> supplements for his current issues.

>

> Lin

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Liz <elizabethsoliday@>

> > > Subject: [ ] That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:12 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I feel like crap tonight. My husband's friend's kid just got 2 flu

vaccines, MMR, DTaP all at once last week. Then he read a paper I wrote about

aluminum and posted on my facebook page a day or two after his kid got the

vaccines and told my husband there was no reason to live anymore. He felt awful.

Not to mention, the paper didn't even touch the subject of mercury - which his 4

year old most likely got TWO full doses in the regular flu vax and the swine flu

vax he got.

> > >

> > > I know it's not my fault but dang, we were just over there the day

before they were talking about bringing the kids to the doctor. I could have

opened my mouth, but I didn't.

> > >

> > > Then there is my sister, who I tell everything to and she doesn't listen

cause I'm not the CDC. Her kids are constantly sick with allergies, ear

infections and on different medicines and antibiotics. We all know how that

goes.

> > >

> > > Best is right, we really need signs in our yard to inform the

public. Public opinion is the only thing that is going to make real change. I'm

putting one up, and I'm going to tactfully intrude when I know someone is

leading sheep to the slaughter.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I've used Epicor, and for my son I think he reacted not so well to it. My son

is high on all the yeasts on IGG test, and my doc said it wouldn't be a factor

with this type of yeast in Epicor, but my son didn't do well with it, and we

stopped using it. It wasn't any severe reactions, just food allergy type

reaction. For my daughter's screwed up immune system, I used good old clostrum.

I guess many people don't think it is that effective, but my daughter had

rashes, itching, her fingers and toes were split and bleeding etc. My regular

pediatrician suggested IGIV, and I decided to try the colostrum instead. She

got a low grade fever and all her symptoms faded. Anyway, I'm just a mom, no

expert, but this was my experience with tricky immune systems. OCD problems and

amygdala kinda says PANDAS to me. My daughter with the screwed up immune system

has this. You may want to read up on PANDAS a little.

________________________________

From: LinLasVegas <LinLasVegas@...>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:25:23 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: That's it, I'm not being shy anymore

I do have two questions...

1. Has anyone tried Epicor to reset the immune system of their child? When

I read about this, I thought it might be good to add to the protocol.

2. We've been trying to get our son (22) back on taking his supps as his

main problems now are ocd thoughts), actions/voices around him greatly

bother him, and anxiety (pretty bad).

The reason he hasn't been taking them, is he got the linden method which

tells him to 'not see doctors', 'don't read any medical information' , 'you

don't need any supps', all of the ocd and anxiety is because your amygdala

is in high stress and you need a hobby to occupy your mind to bring down the

stress level. I am sure he has organic problems/issues and am pressuring

him to again take supplements.

My game plan is to get him on mms (jim humble's mms), lithium, minerals,

whole b vitamins, fish oil, Epicor to start. We've overwhelmed him in the

past with other protocols, so we want to keep it simple. Does anyone have

any other suggestions, such as ALA? He doesn't have any fillings in his

teeth. We learned long ago to keep our kids away from the dentist (at least

we did one thing right)

Please share your thoughts as I want to put him on the best possible

supplements for his current issues.

Lin

[Guest guest]

I had ordered Epicor as an immune booster before but it didn't muscle-test well

for anyone in my family.

> 2. We've been trying to get our son (22) back on taking his supps as his

> main problems now are ocd thoughts, actions/voices around him greatly

> bother him, and anxiety (pretty bad).

>

Sounds like viral/bacteria issues causing endotoxins.

> My game plan is to get him on mms (jim humble's mms), lithium, minerals,

> whole b vitamins, fish oil, Epicor to start.

I would suggest Olive Leaf Extract for both viral and antimicrobial effects and

inositol. How is his thyroid? Some iodine-containing foods like kelp or some

potassium iodide and selenium help support that. With the minerals you probably

don't need iron or calcium. And give minerals with meals and away from the fish

oils. Does he take digestive enzymes? Sometimes low stomach acid/poor

digestion allows the bacteria to flourish.

PJ

[Guest guest]

> 2. We've been trying to get our son (22) back on taking his supps as his

> main problems now are ocd thoughts), actions/voices around him greatly

> bother him, and anxiety (pretty bad).

The sound sensitivity and anxiety would have been yeast overgrowth here. OCD

was caused by a few things here, including yeast.

Dana