Introduction and Questions

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I'm Canadian and live in Sweden, so we're sort of in the same boat.

I know how difficult it is to find all the required supplements for

Bee's program. Here in Sweden, all the supplements either have sugar

or preservatives in them and they don't even sell cod liver oil at

all. The reason they say is because they have vitamin D drops for

babies [which contain alcohol]. So what? No one else needs vitamin

D? Grrr!

I have used Labs in The Netherlands to buy almost all of the

supplements. It's a bit of a pain, though.

Go here to see what they sell: http://www.douglaslabs.com/

Then go here to their international site to make the order via email:

http://www.douglaslabs.com/locations.cfm

To be honest, though, their prices are quite high and I have been

ordering through iHerb in the States. http://www.iherb.com/

Just make many small orders instead of one large order so that you

don't have to pay import duty. You'll have to find out what that

amount is for Switzerland.

For the coconut oil, I've bought through Tropical Traditions in the

UK. The shipping is a little ridiculous, though.

http://www.coconut-oils.net/products_new.php?page=1

I might try Coconoil next time:

http://www.coconoil.co.uk/

If you end up trying them, let me know how it goes.

I hope that helps!

>

> Hello Bee and others,

>

> My name is . I am from the US but have lived in Switzerland

> for a little over a year now. <snip>

>

> I have some questions:

>

> 1. I have switched over to the diet and most of the supplements.

I

> am still looking for a good EVO Coconut oil. It and other

> supplements are proving hard to find in Switzerland. Does anyone

> have recommendations for where in Europe to order good Coconut oil

> and other supplements? I have had my parents ship over some things,

> but it is quickly getting too expensive.

>

><snip>

> Thanks in advance, and I apologize for the lengthy post!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > My name is . I am from the US but have lived in Switzerland

> > for a little over a year now. I have had health problems for about

> > 6 years now and have been searching for ways to heal myself. I

> have tried a lot of different things but have been unsuccessful, and

> I've just kept getting worse. My main issues are Hashimotos

> Thyroiditis, fatigue, memory loss, Pyroluria, IBS, and a foggy slow

> brain. Two years ago I found the Weston A. Price foundation and fell

> in love with it. I have tried to follow the recommendations of the

> group. I recently read a book that discussed candida and all the

> harm it does and realized that it is (I believe) at the base of my

> problems.

*** Hi :

Just wanted to welcome you too. I suffered from Hashimoto's and Adrenal fatigue

so your

post caught my eye. I just want to say that Bee's program is the only thing

that has

worked for me. I, too, was doing a Nourishing Traditions/Weston Price diet

prior to this

group....and was a 20 year vegetarian and sometime raw fooder befoe that!!!

This diet is like Weston Price for Candida sufferers. Bee practices all his

principles, but

removes the grain/dairy/fruit/sugar component that can't be handled by Candida

folks.

I just want to mention that my symptoms have receded significantly since being

on this

diet and I no longer take any thyroid or adrenal meds or hormones of any kind.

So, true

healing is possible with this program.

I personally found that increasing the fats in my diet were very key to healing

because

hormones are made from fats, it's their food. I also found the HCl to be

lifechanging.

Most people with thyroid issues have digestive problems of generally low stomach

acid

hence all the IBS and digestive issues.

All the best,

Marissa

[Guest guest]

> Just reading your post Marissa re hypothyroid and just wanted to say I've

> been taking meds for 9 years now and yesterday was my first day without them

> so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it won't go really hypo and give me

> all kinds of grief and problems. How long were you on meds? I will get it

> checked in 6 weeks again and see how it's doing but I'm sure I'll be able to

> tell by the way I feel if it's all out of whack ....

>

> Blessings Madonna

>

*** Hi Madonna:

I was on Armour which is measured in grains, so when I started Bee's program I

was

taking 3.5 grains Armour and 20 mg of Hydrocortisone in divided doses each day.

I found

that the HCl increased my absorption of nutrients and medications, so once I

found my

HCl dose, I found I could taper off the Armour a little. I think I was around

2.5 or 3 grains

at that point. Then I slowly tapered, taking a few months in my case, to taking

no

hormones at all.

I used Herring's law of cures to give me a marker of when my Hashi symptoms

first

became so strong that I started looking into it. Which also coincided with the

aftermath of

the 911 fires here in NYC. I live downwind of all that toxic smoke which burnt

for a few

months. I think all that stuff just took me over the edge. This way, I felt, I

could handle

the die-off of Bee's program without also having too strong a Hashi's attack in

the

process.

Hope that helps.

Marissa

[Guest guest]

Posted by: " coombs_m " coombs.mel@... coombs_m

Mon Feb 2, 2009 7:18 am (PST)

My name is . I am from the US but have lived in Switzerland

http://cocovida.co.uk/shipping.php

Hi ,

you could try these two:

Cocovida: http://cocovida.co.uk/shipping.php

it costs 7,50 to ship to Switzerland

or

Tropical Oils Europe http://www.coconut-oils.net/

I want to use them some day (I now buy my EVCO at the health food

store)but I can't find how much shipping is.

In this dutch website you can find all the supplements you need. They

ship everywhere in Europe, but you have to ask how much it is to

Switzerland, see their shipping page

http://www.webvitaal.nl/english/

good luck and glad you found 'us'

[Guest guest]

Just reading your post Marissa re hypothyroid and just wanted to say I've

been taking meds for 9 years now and yesterday was my first day without them

so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it won't go really hypo and give me

all kinds of grief and problems. How long were you on meds? I will get it

checked in 6 weeks again and see how it's doing but I'm sure I'll be able to

tell by the way I feel if it's all out of whack ....

Blessings Madonna

> *** Hi :

>

> Just wanted to welcome you too. I suffered from Hashimoto's and Adrenal

> fatigue so your

> post caught my eye. I just want to say that Bee's program is the only

> thing that has

> worked for me. I, too, was doing a Nourishing Traditions/Weston Price

> diet prior to this

> group....and was a 20 year vegetarian and sometime raw fooder befoe

> that!!!

>

> This diet is like Weston Price for Candida sufferers. Bee practices all

> his principles, but

> removes the grain/dairy/fruit/sugar component that can't be handled by

> Candida folks.

>

> I just want to mention that my symptoms have receded significantly since

> being on this

> diet and I no longer take any thyroid or adrenal meds or hormones of any

> kind. So, true

> healing is possible with this program.

>

> I personally found that increasing the fats in my diet were very key to

> healing because

> hormones are made from fats, it's their food. I also found the HCl to be

> lifechanging.

> Most people with thyroid issues have digestive problems of generally low

> stomach acid

> hence all the IBS and digestive issues.

>

> All the best,

> Marissa

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for your help, advice, and words of

encouragement. I was able to order some supplements from iherbs.com

with Bee's number. I was very impressed with the selection, prices,

and shipping costs to Switzerland. Only $11 shipping if you spend

over $40. I even ordered some coconut oil. I have been checking

out the other websites that were recommended as well. Thanks!

I feel so supported by this group on this process to heal myself.

I've been trying for so long, and have hoped that I would be able to

feel better and maybe get off Thyroid medicine, but now I know I

can! It's a great feeling!

I'm sorry for my late response. I've been feeling rather yucky.

I have a question on healing/retracing and I hope it makes sense. I

haven't taken any medicine (other than Thyroid) for a number of

years now, and have tried to be healthy. I rarely have gotten sick,

even when my kids did, even though I've always felt fatigued and

yucky. But obviously my immune system wasn't healthy because of

Hashimotos, etc. Bee has mentioned that when we use medicine to

make a problem go away quickly, later our body will need to work

through those toxins to heal. But I'm wondering if in my case my

body wasn't strong enough to handle the toxins and stored them away

until I was stronger to deal with them even though I didn't try to

suppress them with drugs? I hope that made sense.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you everyone for your help, advice, and words of

> encouragement. I was able to order some supplements from

iherbs.com

> with Bee's number. I was very impressed with the selection,

prices,

> and shipping costs to Switzerland. Only $11 shipping if you spend

> over $40. I even ordered some coconut oil. I have been checking

> out the other websites that were recommended as well. Thanks!

+++That's great you got what you needed !

>

> I feel so supported by this group on this process to heal myself.

> I've been trying for so long, and have hoped that I would be able

to

> feel better and maybe get off Thyroid medicine, but now I know I

> can! It's a great feeling! I'm sorry for my late response. I've

been feeling rather yucky.

+++Yes, you can!!

>

> I have a question on healing/retracing and I hope it makes sense.

I

> haven't taken any medicine (other than Thyroid) for a number of

> years now, and have tried to be healthy. I rarely have gotten

sick,

> even when my kids did, even though I've always felt fatigued and

> yucky. But obviously my immune system wasn't healthy because of

> Hashimotos, etc. Bee has mentioned that when we use medicine to

> make a problem go away quickly, later our body will need to work

> through those toxins to heal. But I'm wondering if in my case my

> body wasn't strong enough to handle the toxins and stored them away

> until I was stronger to deal with them even though I didn't try to

> suppress them with drugs? I hope that made sense.

+++Yes, I believe the body becomes so overloaded by toxins that is

becomes incapable of detoxifying itself like it should. That's why

this program is so effective, in addition to providing " proper

nutrients. " Mainly its the high " good fats that help detoxing the

most, and they even get rid of heavy metals. They are also very

important for a healthy liver so it can process toxins and get rid of

them like it should. Other things on the program also help, i.e.

Epsom salt baths, dry skin brushing, coffee enemas, etc.

+++So you are right , you can do it, and your body will love

you for it!

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Wow, Bee!

This makes a lot of sense to me that our bodies would store the

toxins. I hadn't been sick in years, but meanwhile my muscles were

getting very sore and I was always very fatigued.

Yuck! I'm so glad I'm starting to get rid of it all finally.

>

<snip>

> +++Yes, I believe the body becomes so overloaded by toxins that is

> becomes incapable of detoxifying itself like it should. That's why

> this program is so effective, in addition to providing " proper

> nutrients. " Mainly its the high " good fats that help detoxing the

> most, and they even get rid of heavy metals. They are also very

> important for a healthy liver so it can process toxins and get rid of

> them like it should. Other things on the program also help, i.e.

> Epsom salt baths, dry skin brushing, coffee enemas, etc.

>

<snip>

>

> The best to you, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone!

Just thought I would introduce myself and ask a very

important question . . .

I was diagnosed with

Relapsing/Remitting MS in October 2007. I am a tremendously busy lady who

runs a non-profit humane society in Montana – when the Dr. gave me the

diagnosis, he pulled a box of Kleenex out from his desk drawer and patted my

hand with a look of sympathy on his face. I just laughed and said,

“I will acknowledge your diagnosis but I will NOT acknowledge this

disease. It will not own me nor will there be any pity parties – I

lead a busy life, tell me what I need to do and let’s get on with

it.” Needless to say, he was stunned . . . stammered something like

“Normally people cry at this point.” Well, Doctor . . .

.. I ain’t normal. (o:

I have been what I call a

minimalist my whole life. Healthy and strong, I avoided putting anything

in my body that I didn’t need (like smoke, liquor, medications).

When I found out I was going to have to give myself a daily injection of

Copaxone, that rocked my world more than the MS diagnosis. A year and a

half later, I am still having injection site reactions and at these sites, all

of my fatty tissue has been eaten away to leave large divets in my arms, legs,

hips and stomach (plus bruising). Great for short/tank top weather.

NOT! It also is causing me to have severe joint pain – when I asked

my neurologist about this he said that arthritic type symptoms are a definite possibility

from the Copaxone. Super . . . I watched chemo slowly take my

mother and always anguished over the fact that it seems most times, the cure is

worse than the disease. )o:

So I have been on a mission to find an alternative and found the LDN info off

Dr. Mercola’s website. I can’t tell you the thrill of

excitement that ran through me as I spent hours devouring information about

this medication. I approached my neurologist about going off the Copaxone

and having him prescribe LDN and all he could say was that LDN is NOT FDA

approved for MS and he was not going to get burned prescribing this medication

for me. *sigh* So here I sit, almost out of Copaxone . .

..needing to order another 90 day supply which I don’t want to do and

having no way to get my hands on the LDN. Phooey . . .

So

the big question here is how DO I get a Dr. to prescribe the LDN?? I am a

little worried being in Montana and off the beaten path, so to speak. Any

ideas would be ever so helpful!

It never ceases to amaze me that

with western medicine, if a large pharmaceutical drug company is not backing

the project, then let’s not share it with the public. I wonder how

many other cures have been swept under the carpet just for that reason . . . thanks

in advance for any assistance!

Many blessings,

Sandy

Church

Rimrock Humane Society

http://www.rimrockhumanesociety.org

" In this life, we cannot always

do great things,

but we can do small things with great love. " ~ Mother

[Guest guest]

crystal keeps a list of prscribing doctors.also for telphone consult.

email: angelindisguise67@... or CrystalAngel6267@...

>

> Hi everyone!

>

>

>

> Just thought I would introduce myself and ask a very important question . .

> .

>

>

>

> I was diagnosed with Relapsing/Remitting MS in October 2007. I am a

> tremendously busy lady who runs a non-profit humane society in Montana -

> when the Dr. gave me the diagnosis, he pulled a box of Kleenex out from his

> desk drawer and patted my hand with a look of sympathy on his face. I just

> laughed and said, " I will acknowledge your diagnosis but I will NOT

> acknowledge this disease. It will not own me nor will there be any pity

> parties - I lead a busy life, tell me what I need to do and let's get on

> with it. " Needless to say, he was stunned . . . stammered something like

> " Normally people cry at this point. " Well, Doctor . . . . I ain't normal.

> (o:

>

>

>

> I have been what I call a minimalist my whole life. Healthy and strong, I

> avoided putting anything in my body that I didn't need (like smoke, liquor,

> medications). When I found out I was going to have to give myself a daily

> injection of Copaxone, that rocked my world more than the MS diagnosis. A

> year and a half later, I am still having injection site reactions and at

> these sites, all of my fatty tissue has been eaten away to leave large

> divets in my arms, legs, hips and stomach (plus bruising). Great for

> short/tank top weather. NOT! It also is causing me to have severe joint

> pain - when I asked my neurologist about this he said that arthritic type

> symptoms are a definite possibility from the Copaxone. Super . . . I

> watched chemo slowly take my mother and always anguished over the fact that

> it seems most times, the cure is worse than the disease. )o:

>

> So I have been on a mission to find an alternative and found the LDN info

> off Dr. Mercola's website. I can't tell you the thrill of excitement that

> ran through me as I spent hours devouring information about this medication.

> I approached my neurologist about going off the Copaxone and having him

> prescribe LDN and all he could say was that LDN is NOT FDA approved for MS

> and he was not going to get burned prescribing this medication for me.

> *sigh* So here I sit, almost out of Copaxone . . .needing to order another

> 90 day supply which I don't want to do and having no way to get my hands on

> the LDN. Phooey . . .

>

>

>

> So the big question here is how DO I get a Dr. to prescribe the LDN?? I am

> a little worried being in Montana and off the beaten path, so to speak. Any

> ideas would be ever so helpful!

>

> It never ceases to amaze me that with western medicine, if a large

> pharmaceutical drug company is not backing the project, then let's not share

> it with the public. I wonder how many other cures have been swept under the

> carpet just for that reason . . . thanks in advance for any assistance!

>

>

>

> Many blessings,

>

>

>

>

>

> Sandy Church

>

> Rimrock Humane Society

> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rimrock-Humane-Society/72614189413>

> find_us_on_facebook_badge

> <http://www.rimrockhumanesociety.org/> http://www.rimrockhumanesociety.org

> " In this life, we cannot always do great things,

> but we can do small things with great love. " ~ Mother

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Faye,

In your first email you said your doctor said you are hyperthyroid. By your tests, that is obviously not true. First of all, throw out the TSH test as it is not good for finding out thyroid function. Your Free's are within range, however , they are on the low side and lean more towards HYPOthyroidism than hyper. Sadly, most mainstream doctors are not educated about the benefit of iodine. Please read the New Member doc. you were sent when you joined, you will learn much from Commonly Asked Questions. Best, Kathleen

Re: Introduction and Questions

Hi Kathleen,Here are the results with the added ranges:My last lab test in May came back as the following (the lab test lists free T4 as "T4 (Free)"; not sure if that's important):TSH - 0.166 uIU/mL (Normal range, 0.465 - 4.680)Free T3 - 3.75 pg/mL (Normal range, 2.77 - 5.27)T4 (Free) - .98 ng/dL (Normal range, 0.62 - 1.94)-Faye

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

Yes, I was thinking that she was incorrect. I'm also thinking of finding a

different doctor. The other stuff was for background.

I've already read through the new member docs and couldn't find answers to some

of my questions. Are you able to help me out with any of these:

Should I be worried about a thyroid storm if I take iodine at doses of 50mg or

comparable?

Also, if I decide to do the loading test, is it fine to do the 50mg of iodine

even though I'm

nursing, since it's just once? I read elsewhere on the list that you shouldn't

start that high when nursing because the detox products will be passed to your

baby and that 25mg was more appropriate in that context.

Thanks,

Faye

[Guest guest]

Hi Faye,

I am not an expert but I would say that you should start on iodine as soon as

possible. The loading test isn't really needed as those nodules indicate you are

deficient. Also, taking iodine will greatly help your infant too.

Best wishes, Dean

================================================================

>

> Hello Everyone!

> My name is Faye and I've been told by my endocrinologist that I'm hyperthyroid

and have thyroid nodules. One is quite large at 3.9 cm (it's been around for a

few years). I started out as hypothyroid during my pregnancy and became

hyperthyroid about 3 months after giving birth to my son.

>

> My last lab test in May came back as the following (the lab test lists free T4

as " T4 (Free) " ; not sure if that's important):

> TSH - 0.166 uIU/mL

> Free T3 - 3.75 pg/mL

> T4 (Free) - .98 ng/dL

>

> I don't feel like I have clinical symptoms of hyperthyroidism nor

hypothyroidism. I suppose I could have more energy, but my son still nurses at

night, so that makes it difficult for me to tell if this means something is

wrong with my thyroid or I'm just tired from taking care of my son. I chose to

monitor my large nodule instead of getting surgery and I have also held off on

doing the radioactive uptake and scan of my thyroid since I'm still nursing.

>

> I would like to get the iodine loading test and perhaps start iodine, but when

I asked my doctor about it, she scared me by saying I could have a thyroid

storm. I remember looking up some documents, perhaps from here, but they were

too technical for me to make sense of. Can someone comment on if I should be

worried about a thyroid storm or not? Am I even really hyperthyroid? Also, if I

decide to do the loading test, is it fine to do the 50mg of iodine even though

I'm nursing, since it's just once?

>

> Thanks,

> Faye

>

[Guest guest]

For pregnant or nursing mothers who want to start iodine supplementation for the

first time, the recommendation is to do 25mg MAX iodine (as a daily supplement)

until the baby is weaned. The reason is because larger doses may produce

detoxification byproducts that can affect the fetus or nursing infant. However,

it is a

really important nutrient and should be taken along with all the companion

nutrients.

The fear of thyroid storm is a medical myth, based on a scientific fraud called

the

Wolffe-Chaikoff Effect. It is still taught in med schools despite being

thoroughly

debunked. Go to the " Research " tab at www.optimox.com and look for an article

near the top called " Crying Wolffe " or something like that.

You don't need to iodine test in order to take iodine. If you have thyroid

problems,

you are iodine deficient, and so is your baby. Virtually everyone is iodine

deficient

because it was ignorantly removed from the food supply (see paragraph above),

and we are bombarded by toxic chemicals that mimic iodine in the body and it

requires larger, long-term supplementation wth iodine to undo that damage and

evict the impostor chemicals (bromides, chlorine, fluoride).

Start slow on the iodine and gradually work your way up. If you take Iodoral

tablets,

start with 1 tab for a couple of weeks, then add second. That is 25mg (if the

tabs

are the 12.5mg potency). If you use the liquid Lugol's, you can start with one

drop

and work your way up very slowly in tiny increments. Take the full amount of

the

companion nutrients starting from day 1.

--

moderator

--

On 19 Oct 2011 at 15:40, anon wrote:

> Hi Faye,

> I am not an expert but I would say that you should start on iodine

> as soon as possible. The loading test isn't really needed as those

> nodules indicate you are deficient. Also, taking iodine will greatly

> help your infant too.

> Best wishes, Dean

>

> ================================================================

>

> > > Hello Everyone! > My name is Faye and I've been told by my

> endocrinologist that I'm hyperthyroid and have thyroid nodules. One is

> quite large at 3.9 cm (it's been around for a few years). I started

> out as hypothyroid during my pregnancy and became hyperthyroid about 3

> months after giving birth to my son. > > My last lab test in May came

> back as the following (the lab test lists free T4 as " T4 (Free) " ; not

> sure if that's important): > TSH - 0.166 uIU/mL > Free T3 - 3.75 pg/mL

> > T4 (Free) - .98 ng/dL > > I don't feel like I have clinical symptoms

> of hyperthyroidism nor hypothyroidism. I suppose I could have more

> energy, but my son still nurses at night, so that makes it difficult

> for me to tell if this means something is wrong with my thyroid or I'm

> just tired from taking care of my son. I chose to monitor my large

> nodule instead of getting surgery and I have also held off on doing

> the radioactive uptake and scan of my thyroid since I'm still nursing.

> > > I would like to get the iodine loading test and perhaps start

> iodine, but when I asked my doctor about it, she scared me by saying I

> could have a thyroid storm. I remember looking up some documents,

> perhaps from here, but they were too technical for me to make sense

> of. Can someone comment on if I should be worried about a thyroid

> storm or not? Am I even really hyperthyroid? Also, if I decide to do

> the loading test, is it fine to do the 50mg of iodine even though I'm

> nursing, since it's just once? > > Thanks, > Faye >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Faye,I'm hypeRthyroid. I started right out at 50mg with all the companion nutrients and I was fine. I did have a thyroid storm in the 80's so I was a little apprehensive too, but I have had no problem whatsoever. I was having problems with rapid heartbeat and that completely stopped when I started iodine. I feel great now with the exception of weight gain which I can't seem to control.I had gained some weight before starting iodone, in fact the weird thing is that most of my symptoms were hypo T. I also quit smoking a few months before starting iodine.I'm not sure how nursing is affected by iodine but I don't think you need to worry about a thyroid crisis/storm.iodine From: faye.cheadle@...Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:21:14 +0000Subject: Re: Introduction and Questions

Hi Kathleen,

Yes, I was thinking that she was incorrect. I'm also thinking of finding a different doctor. The other stuff was for background.

I've already read through the new member docs and couldn't find answers to some of my questions. Are you able to help me out with any of these:

Should I be worried about a thyroid storm if I take iodine at doses of 50mg or comparable?

Also, if I decide to do the loading test, is it fine to do the 50mg of iodine even though I'm

nursing, since it's just once? I read elsewhere on the list that you shouldn't start that high when nursing because the detox products will be passed to your baby and that 25mg was more appropriate in that context.

Thanks,

Faye