Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Does anybody happen to know the half-life of andrographis? -Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Hi, welcome. A lot of us use 1st Chinese Herbs here in the states. They are in the state of Washington. You can Google them. Maybe call and talk to , she is nice and very helpful. I have been using them for well over a year. Jim. ### vlrthorsen <vlrthorsen@...> wrote: Hello - I am new here from Canada. I'm wondering if anybody can advise me on a reputable source for andrographis and other herbs. I have had Lyme since 1990 but was diagnosed with FM. After trying abx, I have decided to try Buhner's protocol. From what I can determine taking abx is a vicious circle. I have taken different combos since late '04 when I was diagnosed. Just got Igenex tests back which confirm Lyme. Thank you for any help. --------------------------------- oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Andrographis is so important, in my opinion, because it helps with things other than Lyme and the commonly-known coinfections, especially filarial worms, probably why many people have problems with the andrographis at first. Without getting rid of that stuff (if you have it), you don't fully get well, even when Lyme, babesia, bartonella, and ehrlichiosis have been dealt with. > > They are actually the same, although I found it very confusing on first > reading. Then I checked the label on the bottle of Source Naturals 40 mg. > The fine print that 2 tablets contain " Polygonum cuspidatum 1 g Standardized > to 8% Total Resveratrols Yielding: Total Resveratrols 80 mg. " Since it's for > 2 tablets, divide 1 gram in half and you will get 500 mg. > > > > Personally I think that this " new " protocol is much ado about nothing. It's > still the basic Lyme protocol that emphasizes Resveratrol from Japanese > knotweed, plus Cat's Claw, and only for acute cases, Astralagus. The > eleutherococcus was previously a recommendation, and now it seems to be part > of the core. The only things I'm puzzled about is why Andrographis and > Sarsparilla were not mentioned in the Public Health article and why Cat's > Claw is not suggested for a full year. In any case, I'm not about to stop > taking any of these. Buhner's book explains why they are good. > > > > Did Buhner oficially revise the protocol, or is this just the interpretation > of the author of the article? > > > > Madeleine > > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Dun > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:33 AM > > Subject: [ ] Re: resveratrol > > > > > > am getting a bit confused. I always took the Source Naturals 40 mg or 80 > for 2 tablets but now I see the Public Health site and Planet Thrive and > it says > > *Japanese Knotweed* (Source Naturals Resveratrol with 500mg /Polygonum > > cuspidatum/ per tablet) - 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily for 8-12 months > > (Resveratrol) > So which is what? And is the 1st Chinese herbs brands? Anyone have any > experiences with it? Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 That's why I was so puzzled that andrographis appeared to be omitted from the " revised " protocol, and so asked whether Buhner had actually done this revision. Does anyone know? Where did this revision come from, other than the cited article? _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of aluta_gaia Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:15 AM Subject: [ ] Re: andrographis Andrographis is so important, in my opinion, because it helps with things other than Lyme and the commonly-known coinfections, especially filarial worms, probably why many people have problems with the andrographis at first. Without getting rid of that stuff (if you have it), you don't fully get well, even when Lyme, babesia, bartonella, and ehrlichiosis have been dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 Specifically what other pathogens does Andrographis kill? Jay [ ] Re: resveratrol > > > > > > am getting a bit confused. I always took the Source Naturals 40 mg or 80 > for 2 tablets but now I see the Public Health site and Planet Thrive and > it says > > *Japanese Knotweed* (Source Naturals Resveratrol with 500mg /Polygonum > > cuspidatum/ per tablet) - 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily for 8-12 months > > (Resveratrol) > So which is what? And is the 1st Chinese herbs brands? Anyone have any > experiences with it? Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 > > Andrographis is so important, in my opinion, because it helps with things other than Lyme and the commonly-known coinfections, especially filarial worms, probably why many people have problems with the andrographis at first. Without getting rid of that stuff (if you have it), you don't fully get well, even when Lyme, babesia, bartonella, and ehrlichiosis have been dealt with. good point. I think this also applies to many other 'alternative' treatments that cannot work against Borrelia, but will probably help to eliminate some of the problems that were present for a long time already, e.g. certain gut parasites. btw, it is scientifically interesting that andrographis, like some current pharmaceuticals like ivermectin (a bacterial product), works against a broad spectrum of 'snake-like' creatures, from snakes to parasitic worms, microfilaria en some spirochetes. It is strange that this specific medicine works against all, while they are genetically far apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Very interesting commentary re: Andro...so I gather you fully believe Andro remains a core component? Jay [ ] Re: andrographis > > Andrographis is so important, in my opinion, because it helps with things other than Lyme and the commonly-known coinfections, especially filarial worms, probably why many people have problems with the andrographis at first. Without getting rid of that stuff (if you have it), you don't fully get well, even when Lyme, babesia, bartonella, and ehrlichiosis have been dealt with. good point. I think this also applies to many other 'alternative' treatments that cannot work against Borrelia, but will probably help to eliminate some of the problems that were present for a long time already, e.g. certain gut parasites. btw, it is scientifically interesting that andrographis, like some current pharmaceuticals like ivermectin (a bacterial product), works against a broad spectrum of 'snake-like' creatures, from snakes to parasitic worms, microfilaria en some spirochetes. It is strange that this specific medicine works against all, while they are genetically far apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 > > Very interesting commentary re: Andro...so I gather you fully believe Andro remains a core component? no, not necessarily. I don't doubt it works (for some people) but there may be better choices for the core protocol (more effective, safer etc.). I fully trust Buhner on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Thanks.......Unfortunately for me Cat's Claw (Raintree) has been an issue & Eleuthero wrecks my gut. CC either in my mind/psyche or body...I immediately get sore throat etc...and I need to talk at work... I take Knotweed (tincture & tablets...loads) and Cryptolepsis (no change in chest/coughing etc), Stephania Coil very aggressively & beginning Mesosilver. Thanks for your input. Jay [ ] Re: andrographis > > Very interesting commentary re: Andro...so I gather you fully believe Andro remains a core component? no, not necessarily. I don't doubt it works (for some people) but there may be better choices for the core protocol (more effective, safer etc.). I fully trust Buhner on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 My apologies if someone already responded, but with regard to the question below, in the article in public health alert, it says that Buhner finds it only to be effective in 60% of cases as opposed to knotweed, which helps 90% of the time (or something like that). He prioritizes collagen support, reducing inflammation, and supporting the patients physiological needs above antispirochetal measures - andrographis is anti-inflammatory (and does other things too) but I believe it is also antimicrobial, so perhaps this is another reason it has slid further down the list (it's listed as fifth in the article, and the call out box only has the first 4 herbs). This particular article with the 'revised core protocol' discusses feeling better as the goal - if you feel good and are functional, does it matter if you still have the infection??? I like that idea, but I also, personally, like the idea of eradicating the buggers, so... - Jen That's why I was so puzzled that andrographis appeared to be omitted from the " revised " protocol, and so asked whether Buhner had actually done this revision. Does anyone know? Where did this revision come from, other than the cited article? _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar & ocid=PID28326:\ :T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 How long are we supposed to take andrographis? I do not have Dr Buhner book. Is is avaialbe in any Librarys?  Lymeover and out From: Jay A. Rovert <jay12@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: andrographis Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 3:32 PM  Specifically what other pathogens does Andrographis kill? Jay [ ] Re: resveratrol > > > > > > am getting a bit confused. I always took the Source Naturals 40 mg or 80 > for 2 tablets but now I see the Public Health site and Planet Thrive and > it says > > *Japanese Knotweed* (Source Naturals Resveratrol with 500mg /Polygonum > > cuspidatum/ per tablet) - 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily for 8-12 months > > (Resveratrol) > So which is what? And is the 1st Chinese herbs brands? Anyone have any > experiences with it? Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 > > How long are we supposed to take andrographis? I do not have Dr Buhner book. Is is avaialbe in any Librarys? at least two month on the maximum dose, just like the other herbs. I strongly recommend that you buy AND read the full book before starting the protocol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I bought my buhner herb book thru Amazon.com, it was pretty cheap, sticker price is: $19.95, I think I paid $10. I haven't seen it in any librarys to date. For Andrographis, it says 400 mg, 1 - 4 capsules or tablets 3-4 x daily for 8 - 12 months. From: tre dan <lymeover@...> To: Date: 06/16/2010 01:10 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: andrographis Sent by: How long are we supposed to take andrographis? I do not have Dr Buhner book. Is is avaialbe in any Librarys? Lymeover and out From: Jay A. Rovert <jay12@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: andrographis Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 3:32 PM Specifically what other pathogens does Andrographis kill? Jay [ ] Re: resveratrol > > > > > > am getting a bit confused. I always took the Source Naturals 40 mg or 80 > for 2 tablets but now I see the Public Health site and Planet Thrive and > it says > > *Japanese Knotweed* (Source Naturals Resveratrol with 500mg /Polygonum > > cuspidatum/ per tablet) - 1-4 tablets 3-4x daily for 8-12 months > > (Resveratrol) > So which is what? And is the 1st Chinese herbs brands? Anyone have any > experiences with it? Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 The South Central Wisconsin library system has six copies. But it's good to check the web site to which he contributes as well; as has been discussed, he's updated his protocol since publication. From: tre dan <lymeover@...> > How long are we supposed to take andrographis? I do not have Dr Buhner > book. Is is avaialbe in any Librarys? > > Lymeover and out > --------------------- T. O'Leary Desktop Insurgent Madison WI USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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