Re: update/bad reaction to sarsparilla or herx??

[Guest guest]

I find it hard to believe that sarsaparilla could make anyone feel like THAT.

BUT then i don't have a clue what elavil is. Maybe THAT is the culprit. It

shouldn't be the Cat's claw and Sarsaparilla.

Sarsaparilla doesn't really make you herx. It is a great blood cleanser,

amongst other things. About the only thing to usually consider with Smilax is

that large doses can cause diarrhia. However ONE pill is certainly NOT a large

dose by any stretch of the imagination.

Cats claw should NOT be taken with ant-acids.

You will usually herx LESS with herbs, than any abx.

Jim.

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geniveve <gmbarber@...> wrote:

hi everyone, lost net service and am back on. finally!!

i bought the sarsparilla and took one pill at about 4-5. at

approximately 4:40 the next morning, i woke up with a pounding heart

and massive headache. my blood pressure was 165 over 110 and my heart

rate was 110. i was so shaky and jittery, i was literally bouncing off

the walls. i had to walk the living room to calm down. it took until

about 7 until i got relaxed. my head felt like it was going to explode

and my heart was pounding and racing so hard i thought i was going to

have a heart attack.

i had taken my elavil at aobut 6 and the cat's claw early that morning.

i am afraid to take another dose but i desperately need to detox

besides other than foot detox and the epsom salts baths.

what do you think? should i try it again, but frankly i'm afraid to

genny

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[Guest guest]

Well, I think one has anyway to be carefull. It's usually a mild herb

compared to cats claw or andro or Knotweed. But it's also a killer

(according to Buhner). So you may have an upload of die off toxins

(herx)??

I'm as 'chicken' of toxins as of lyme infection myself. I would never

kill even little without loading myself with cleansers. I was

particularly senstive to metal release with the die off, for which

sarsaparilla helped. I would also load my body with sulphur (I'm

taking bear garlic tincture, but there are many other stuff around),

slowly, because it could cause a detox reaction. This would help with

supporting the herxes too.

Buhner core protocol lacks cleansers. And everybody here chooses what

cleanses better for each person. Milk thistle seems a constant supp

for lyme sufferers, never to be missed. I would add chlorella, as I

had and never so far regretted. Chitosan may help too.

Check out older posts. Many things on detox. Jnanda was talking about

glutathione and AKG recently, sounded interesting supps too.

I guess we never stop learning about cleansing when we get some of

these bugs inside us...

Selma

>

> I find it hard to believe that sarsaparilla could make anyone feel

like THAT. BUT then i don't have a clue what elavil is. Maybe THAT

is the culprit. It shouldn't be the Cat's claw and Sarsaparilla.

>

> Sarsaparilla doesn't really make you herx. It is a great blood

cleanser, amongst other things. About the only thing to usually

consider with Smilax is that large doses can cause diarrhia. However

ONE pill is certainly NOT a large dose by any stretch of the

imagination.

>

> Cats claw should NOT be taken with ant-acids.

>

> You will usually herx LESS with herbs, than any abx.

>

> Jim.

> ###

>

>

> geniveve <gmbarber@...> wrote:

> hi everyone, lost net service and am back on. finally!!

>

> i bought the sarsparilla and took one pill at about 4-5. at

> approximately 4:40 the next morning, i woke up with a pounding

heart

> and massive headache. my blood pressure was 165 over 110 and my

heart

> rate was 110. i was so shaky and jittery, i was literally bouncing

off

> the walls. i had to walk the living room to calm down. it took

until

> about 7 until i got relaxed. my head felt like it was going to

explode

> and my heart was pounding and racing so hard i thought i was going

to

> have a heart attack.

>

> i had taken my elavil at aobut 6 and the cat's claw early that

morning.

>

> i am afraid to take another dose but i desperately need to detox

> besides other than foot detox and the epsom salts baths.

>

> what do you think? should i try it again, but frankly i'm afraid to

>

> genny

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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> in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sarsparilla I is an antispirochetal in addition to a blood cleanser.

I wonder if it targets certain strains???

Found this on the internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarsaparilla#Tribal_and_Herbal_Medicine_Us

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" European physicians considered sarsaparilla root a tonic, blood

purifier, diuretic, and sweat promoter. A Smilax root from Mexico was

introduced into European medicine in 1536, where it developed a strong

following as a cure for syphilis and rheumatism. Since this time,

Smilax roots have had a long history of use for syphilis and other

sexually-transmitted diseases throughout the world. "

[Guest guest]

elavil is considered an old anti-depressant, a tri-cyclic i think

they're called. i only take 10 mg per night for irritable bowel,

which may be the lyme all along huh?

i'm afraid to take the sarsparilla again as i could end up in the

hospital.

also i am taking 10 mg of nadolol and 80 mg of diavon which are

blood pressure meds.

could these have interacted with the sarsparilla do you think?

>

> Well, I think one has anyway to be carefull. It's usually a mild

herb

> compared to cats claw or andro or Knotweed. But it's also a killer

> (according to Buhner). So you may have an upload of die off toxins

> (herx)??

>

> I'm as 'chicken' of toxins as of lyme infection myself. I would

never

> kill even little without loading myself with cleansers. I was

> particularly senstive to metal release with the die off, for which

> sarsaparilla helped. I would also load my body with sulphur (I'm

> taking bear garlic tincture, but there are many other stuff

around),

> slowly, because it could cause a detox reaction. This would help

with

> supporting the herxes too.

>

> Buhner core protocol lacks cleansers. And everybody here chooses

what

> cleanses better for each person. Milk thistle seems a constant supp

> for lyme sufferers, never to be missed. I would add chlorella, as I

> had and never so far regretted. Chitosan may help too.

>

> Check out older posts. Many things on detox. Jnanda was talking

about

> glutathione and AKG recently, sounded interesting supps too.

>

> I guess we never stop learning about cleansing when we get some of

> these bugs inside us...

>

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this Jim

I'm going to try smilax for the cognitive properties that you mention.

I missed that when I was reading Buhner.

My cognitive abilities are very decreased. I don't think it's because

of Lyme, I wonder if therefore Smilax can help?

Do you have any idea?

Also do you have an idea how long it would take to see some results?

It's such a subtle thing, at least with me. I mean the decrease in my

abilities is not subtle, it's very noticeable. But then, I see some

improvement if I sleep well, or if I'm feeling better generally. So

it's hard to know if an herb is making any difference.

I've been loath to try an herbal approach for this particular thing,

but I have a lot of smilax in the cabinet, where I ordered it for the

Lyme, and didn't keep taking it.

ellen

> > hi everyone, lost net service and am back on. finally!!

> >

> > i bought the sarsparilla and took one pill at about 4-5. at

> > approximately 4:40 the next morning, i woke up with a pounding

> heart

> > and massive headache. my blood pressure was 165 over 110 and my

> heart

> > rate was 110. i was so shaky and jittery, i was literally bouncing

> off

> > the walls. i had to walk the living room to calm down. it took

> until

> > about 7 until i got relaxed. my head felt like it was going to

> explode

> > and my heart was pounding and racing so hard i thought i was going

> to

> > have a heart attack.

> >

> > i had taken my elavil at aobut 6 and the cat's claw early that

> morning.

> >

> > i am afraid to take another dose but i desperately need to detox

> > besides other than foot detox and the epsom salts baths.

> >

> > what do you think? should i try it again, but frankly i'm afraid to

> >

> > genny

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels

> > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No idea, sorry.

Could you ask Buhner in Planet thrive? I think your reaction to

sarsaparilla sounds so strong that it worths asking.

Did you see my post in lymenet for you? I was thinking you could have

reacted to any fillers, additives from the brand you're taking? Are

you taking pure herb that you encapsulate yourself?

Is the source 'clean', I mean, probably no use of pesticides? Like

the raintree brand or similar?

Do you have MCS? If yes, that could be a hint.

Are you on other herbs of CP and reacting well to them?

Sorry to hear you're still afraid of smilax. It's a herb that has

helped so many of us. If you're afraid, don't take it. Wait until you

understand better what happened.

Selma

>

> elavil is considered an old anti-depressant, a tri-cyclic i think

> they're called. i only take 10 mg per night for irritable bowel,

> which may be the lyme all along huh?

>

> i'm afraid to take the sarsparilla again as i could end up in the

> hospital.

>

> also i am taking 10 mg of nadolol and 80 mg of diavon which are

> blood pressure meds.

>

> could these have interacted with the sarsparilla do you think?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Geniveve,

I'm surprised you're taking elavil for IBS. Yes, 10 mg is a low does,

but I wonder if you have investigated alternative methods of dealing

with IBS.

I have no first hand knowledge of IBS, but from what I've read, I

think it is one of those conditions that Western medicine doesn't have

a lot of success with, so it may be a candidate for another approach.

Just an idea.

As far as your question of interaction - definitely it is a possibility!

ellen

> >

> > Well, I think one has anyway to be carefull. It's usually a mild

> herb

> > compared to cats claw or andro or Knotweed. But it's also a killer

> > (according to Buhner). So you may have an upload of die off toxins

> > (herx)??

> >

> > I'm as 'chicken' of toxins as of lyme infection myself. I would

> never

> > kill even little without loading myself with cleansers. I was

> > particularly senstive to metal release with the die off, for which

> > sarsaparilla helped. I would also load my body with sulphur (I'm

> > taking bear garlic tincture, but there are many other stuff

> around),

> > slowly, because it could cause a detox reaction. This would help

> with

> > supporting the herxes too.

> >

> > Buhner core protocol lacks cleansers. And everybody here chooses

> what

> > cleanses better for each person. Milk thistle seems a constant supp

> > for lyme sufferers, never to be missed. I would add chlorella, as I

> > had and never so far regretted. Chitosan may help too.

> >

> > Check out older posts. Many things on detox. Jnanda was talking

> about

> > glutathione and AKG recently, sounded interesting supps too.

> >

> > I guess we never stop learning about cleansing when we get some of

> > these bugs inside us...

> >

> > Selma

> >

>