Permethrin

[Guest guest]

I've also added this http://www.travmed.com/trip_prep/insect_permethrin.htm to our site files since it contains very important information for people who want to use permethrin. Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote: Thank you so much for taking the time to assemble this information. I have added this to our site files. Not sure that I want to try Permethrin now, but the mosquitoes may eventually drive me to it.> PERMETHRIN . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. -Dr.Seuss . It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. - Duke Ellington . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much, . I appreciate your help keeping our site

links up to date.

>

> I've also added this

http://www.travmed.com/trip_prep/insect_permethrin.htm to our site

files since it contains very important information for people who want

to use permethrin.

[Guest guest]

I use a lawn service called Natural Lawn that comes out during the summer and

sprays permethrin on my lawn. I started doing this AFTER I got sick (of course)

kind of as a knee jerk reaction. I'm not sure if I will do it again this

summer.

Does anyone else use permethrin on their lawn?

~

[ ] Re: Zedan

>

>Thanks Selma,

>I'll check into this Zedan.

>

>I checked on the other chemical product I had mentioned - it contains

>permethrin. Even tho you spray it on clothes, and the container says,

>do not get on body, obviously one gets it on skin too.

>

>Something I saw highly recommended in one of the Lyme magazines is

>Damminex Tubes:

> " Daminex (or Damminix) Tick Tubes are little cardboard tubes filled

>with cotton balls that have been soaked with a 7.4% concentration of

>permethrin. Field mice—the most reliable source of the ticks that

>carry Lyme disease—take the cotton back to their nests to use as

>bedding, where the permethrin kills any ticks that come into that

>nest. Sold in sets of 24, the tubes are available at some retail

>outlets, and you can order them on the web at

>http://www.garden-shops.com/ticktubes.html, or by calling a very

>dedicated supplier toll-free at his New England B & B: 866-401-9455

>( " Chase House " ). "

>

>In the article I read, people from a college did some research and

>said that this product would reduce tics by 80% in the covered area,

>which is pretty good. I would try it if I can get the community garden

>to buy it.

>Of course, with your little one, you might not want to have permethrin

>anywhere.

>

>ellen, girding up for the battle

[Guest guest]

, I just wrote to Ellen now, I'm totally against harsh chemicals

thrown in nature.

Golf war Syndrome or other syndromes, what do you think could be the

cause if not a disruption caused either by bad chemicals AND/ OR

nuclear radiation?

The US soldiers mostly use Permethrin on their clothes and nuclear

garbage as amunition. They breathe that the whole day, for weeks,

months or even years. When they leave the battle area, the local

population will suffer for years, possibly even decades or more (due to

nuclear garbage). And many US soldiers get sick back home. But the

worst is left for the locals. Whatever the causes (vaccinations? Army

tests on soldiers?), it all makes me think and be very cautious.

Garlic juice (home made or bought) is the least bad thing I found so

far, and very effective. You got to repeat application once a month

though. It is unexpensive.

Any poisonous chemicals you throw in nature, even when you wash your

toilet or dishes, will go to nature and come back to your own body and

your children's sooner or later. If not by the food chain, by the air

you breathe, the water you drink. As Buhner 'explains', that's how Gaia

works, all is interconnected.

I try to do to my garden what I would do to my own body.

Selma

>

> I use a lawn service called Natural Lawn that comes out during the

summer and sprays permethrin on my lawn. I started doing this AFTER I

got sick (of course) kind of as a knee jerk reaction. I'm not sure if

I will do it again this summer.

>

> Does anyone else use permethrin on their lawn?

>

> ~

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would do a search on permethrin. I believe it is quite toxic. I know

for sure it is toxic to cats.

I don't know if birds for example were to inject it, if it would be

toxic, but I think so.

I believe it's a pretty dangerous substance.

ellen

>

> I use a lawn service called Natural Lawn that comes out during the

summer and sprays permethrin on my lawn. I started doing this AFTER I

got sick (of course) kind of as a knee jerk reaction. I'm not sure if

I will do it again this summer.

>

> Does anyone else use permethrin on their lawn?

>

> ~

>

> [ ] Re: Zedan

> >

> >Thanks Selma,

> >I'll check into this Zedan.

> >

> >I checked on the other chemical product I had mentioned - it contains

> >permethrin. Even tho you spray it on clothes, and the container says,

> >do not get on body, obviously one gets it on skin too.

> >

> >Something I saw highly recommended in one of the Lyme magazines is

> >Damminex Tubes:

> > " Daminex (or Damminix) Tick Tubes are little cardboard tubes filled

> >with cotton balls that have been soaked with a 7.4% concentration of

> >permethrin. Field mice—the most reliable source of the ticks that

> >carry Lyme disease—take the cotton back to their nests to use as

> >bedding, where the permethrin kills any ticks that come into that

> >nest. Sold in sets of 24, the tubes are available at some retail

> >outlets, and you can order them on the web at

> >http://www.garden-shops.com/ticktubes.html, or by calling a very

> >dedicated supplier toll-free at his New England B & B: 866-401-9455

> >( " Chase House " ). "

> >

> >In the article I read, people from a college did some research and

> >said that this product would reduce tics by 80% in the covered area,

> >which is pretty good. I would try it if I can get the community garden

> >to buy it.

> >Of course, with your little one, you might not want to have permethrin

> >anywhere.

> >

> >ellen, girding up for the battle

>

[Guest guest]

....mycoplasma fermantans, u.s. patented weaponized variety developed for

bio-warfare by the military at ft. dietrich, maryland, supplied by us to

saddam at one point, and apparently is to some extent on the loose here in

god-pleas-bless america.

> -----Original Message-----

>

> , I just wrote to Ellen now, I'm totally against harsh chemicals

> thrown in nature.

>

> Golf war Syndrome or other syndromes, what do you think could be the

> cause if not a disruption caused either by bad chemicals AND/ OR

> nuclear radiation?

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, it's a bit side conversation here, but where did you get this info

on Mycoplasma fermentans being created? I would like to read the

source, if in the internet.

Thanks,

Selma

>

> ...mycoplasma fermantans, u.s. patented weaponized variety developed

for

> bio-warfare by the military at ft. dietrich, maryland, supplied by us

to

> saddam at one point, and apparently is to some extent on the loose

here in

> god-pleas-bless america.

>

[Guest guest]

it's around the web, just google it with various term combos.

try " project daylily "

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/projectdaylily.htm

the book is published as a fictionalized story, no doubt out of necessity in

order to get the story published safely or at all, but contains the essence

of what apparently happened.

http://www.projectdaylily.com/

http://www.projectdaylily.com/book.htm

http://www.projectdaylily.com/author.htm

http://www.immed.org/whatsnew/PRESS_RELEASE_long_11_7_copy.rtf

google links that i've found in the past seem to have disappeared. it might

be tough to find a copy of the book these days, i don't know, but Nicolsons

story is hopefully still around somewhere...i can't seem to find the one he

wrote describing the details of his investigations findings or the story of

how he got involved (his daughter, a Gulf War vet was infected and it was he

who had to figure it out and find her treatment) and the official turnaround

that went from gov't funding his research to squashing it apparently even

possibly homicidally.

http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_illness_research.html

here's a snip that contains refs to dr. Nicolson and his research. it's

from a gov't report on GWI but predates newer developments where Nicolson

got to the truth re the weaponized mycoplasma and things got very ugly

indeed.

http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/USSenate_ReportoftheSIUonGulfWarIllnesses_R

eportNo105-39PartI_1998.pdf

Mycoplasma—Mycoplasma organisms are bacteria that are found on healthy

humans, animals

and birds.270 Mycoplasma are also common contaminants of animal cell

cultures, and some types of

mycoplasma can cause disease in humans, such as pneumonia caused by

Mycoplasma pneumonia.271

Some researchers have postulated that mycoplasma infection is a possible

factor affecting the health

of Gulf War veterans with undiagnosed illnesses, although the source of such

exposure, if any, is not

clear. In particular, the strain Mycoplasma fermentans has been proposed as

contributing to these

illnesses by affecting certain human immune responses. To assist this

investigation, a national expert

in the field of mycoplasma, Dr. Dybvig, prepared and submitted at the

SIU’s request a report

providing an overview of mycoplasma in the context of Gulf War illnesses and

a review of related

scientific literature. That report can be found in Chapter Four.

At least one research effort into a potential link between Mycoplasma

fermentans and Gulf War

illnesses is currently underway. As of the writing of this report, the

Department of Defense was in

the process of providing approximately $150,000 to molecular biologist Dr.

Garth Nicolson of the

Institute for Molecular Medicine. Dr. Nicolson and his colleagues claim that

they have detected

Mycoplasma fermentans in some ill Gulf War veterans using a particular

laboratory technique that

they developed. This DOD funding has been provided to enable Dr. Nicolson

and his colleagues to

teach their technique to laboratory teams from three facilities—one

government laboratory and two

universities. These laboratories are the Armed Forces Institute of

Pathology; the University of Texas

Health Science Center (San ); and the University of California

(Irvine). Once scientists are

trained at the three laboratories, double blind testing of specimens will

occur by all laboratory teams

and Dr. Nicolson’s laboratory to verify the validity and reproducibility of

the new testing procedure.

Research into a possible link between Mycoplasma fermentans and Gulf War

illnesses is in preliminary

stages, and the SIU is not in a position to reach any conclusions on this

matter.

> [ ] Re: Permethrin

>

>

> Hey, it's a bit side conversation here, but where did you get this info

> on Mycoplasma fermentans being created? I would like to read the

> source, if in the internet.

>

> Thanks,

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for these links. I'm going to look into this.

ellen

>

> it's around the web, just google it with various term combos.

> try " project daylily "

> http://www.gulfwarvets.com/projectdaylily.htm

>

> the book is published as a fictionalized story, no doubt out of

necessity in

> order to get the story published safely or at all, but contains the

essence

> of what apparently happened.

>

> http://www.projectdaylily.com/

> http://www.projectdaylily.com/book.htm

> http://www.projectdaylily.com/author.htm

> http://www.immed.org/whatsnew/PRESS_RELEASE_long_11_7_copy.rtf

>

> google links that i've found in the past seem to have disappeared.

it might

> be tough to find a copy of the book these days, i don't know, but

Nicolsons

> story is hopefully still around somewhere...i can't seem to find the

one he

> wrote describing the details of his investigations findings or the

story of

> how he got involved (his daughter, a Gulf War vet was infected and

it was he

> who had to figure it out and find her treatment) and the official

turnaround

> that went from gov't funding his research to squashing it apparently

even

> possibly homicidally.

>

> http://www.immed.org/illness/gulfwar_illness_research.html

>

> here's a snip that contains refs to dr. Nicolson and his research. it's

> from a gov't report on GWI but predates newer developments where

Nicolson

> got to the truth re the weaponized mycoplasma and things got very ugly

> indeed.

>

>

>

http://www1.va.gov/rac-gwvi/docs/USSenate_ReportoftheSIUonGulfWarIllnesses_R

> eportNo105-39PartI_1998.pdf

>

> Mycoplasma—Mycoplasma organisms are bacteria that are found on healthy

> humans, animals

> and birds.270 Mycoplasma are also common contaminants of animal cell

> cultures, and some types of

> mycoplasma can cause disease in humans, such as pneumonia caused by

> Mycoplasma pneumonia.271

> Some researchers have postulated that mycoplasma infection is a possible

> factor affecting the health

> of Gulf War veterans with undiagnosed illnesses, although the source

of such

> exposure, if any, is not

> clear. In particular, the strain Mycoplasma fermentans has been

proposed as

> contributing to these

> illnesses by affecting certain human immune responses. To assist this

> investigation, a national expert

> in the field of mycoplasma, Dr. Dybvig, prepared and submitted

at the

> SIU's request a report

> providing an overview of mycoplasma in the context of Gulf War

illnesses and

> a review of related

> scientific literature. That report can be found in Chapter Four.

> At least one research effort into a potential link between Mycoplasma

> fermentans and Gulf War

> illnesses is currently underway. As of the writing of this report, the

> Department of Defense was in

> the process of providing approximately $150,000 to molecular

biologist Dr.

> Garth Nicolson of the

> Institute for Molecular Medicine. Dr. Nicolson and his colleagues

claim that

> they have detected

> Mycoplasma fermentans in some ill Gulf War veterans using a particular

> laboratory technique that

> they developed. This DOD funding has been provided to enable Dr.

Nicolson

> and his colleagues to

> teach their technique to laboratory teams from three facilities—one

> government laboratory and two

> universities. These laboratories are the Armed Forces Institute of

> Pathology; the University of Texas

> Health Science Center (San ); and the University of California

> (Irvine). Once scientists are

> trained at the three laboratories, double blind testing of specimens

will

> occur by all laboratory teams

> and Dr. Nicolson's laboratory to verify the validity and

reproducibility of

> the new testing procedure.

> Research into a possible link between Mycoplasma fermentans and Gulf War

> illnesses is in preliminary

> stages, and the SIU is not in a position to reach any conclusions on

this

> matter.

>

>

>

> > [ ] Re: Permethrin

> >

> >

> > Hey, it's a bit side conversation here, but where did you get this

info

> > on Mycoplasma fermentans being created? I would like to read the

> > source, if in the internet.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Selma

> >

>