Re: Eye floater-Lyme-related?

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Ellen

I do not know where you reside; but there is a top Neuro Opthamologist in PA

(Lancaster) who is also and ILADs doctor - well versed on Neuro Lyme.

Our daughter is experiencing her own journey w/optic nerve pressure. Please

follow through, even if with your own eye doctor, who can look at that optic

nerve and help you determine if you need an MRI. These steps are preventative

measures. Altho' we understand and can relate to the fear factor; try not to

focus on that as much as just addressing this early to prevent something else.

If you get the all clear; then talk with your Lyme doctor to ensure you are

addressing the Lyme related symptoms.

God bless!

rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

well I am still learning things on here!

Two days ago I woke up with what I call a floater - don't know if this

is the same thing as other people mean when they say floater:

I see something that moves, kinda like there was a scratch on my

cornea, is what I was thinking it was. Then yesterday I noticed

occasional flashed of light.

Very scary.

Today being a holiday, tomorrow I'll try to find an eye doctor.

Previous to getting the 'floater' I had noticed pain in the same eye,

not great - kinda like I had had something in my eye, and it was

irritated.

Until I read the posts today where Kendra talks about her eye, it

never occurred to me it could be Lyme-related.

In a way I would prefer that it were; I would go back on the herbs and

hope that would do it. It scares me to think the eye doctor might say,

I need an operation or something, that is something I would have no

control over, I'd have to trust the doctor.

But - to those of you who have determined this is Lyme-related, how do

you know?

People my age (60) get these floaters without having lyme.

Appreciate any feed-back.

ellen

[Guest guest]

Hi Ellen -- eye floaters and eye pain can be part of Lyme. The bacteria

affect all the nerves, including the ones that go to the eyes. I drink UIltra

mangosteen juice and it stops my eye symptoms. The mangosteen jucie is

anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant. It can be found at healthfood stores and

online(_www.vitacost.com_ (http://www.vitacost.com) is the cheapest I've

found). I

drink a little bit with a lot of water. -- Robin

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I had lots of floaters before I was treated. They're pretty much

gone now after over 1.5 years of abx therapy. If you haven't been

under treatment for very long, I think it's just part of the Lyme

syndrome...at least it was for me.

Patti

>

> well I am still learning things on here!

>

> Two days ago I woke up with what I call a floater - don't know if

this

> is the same thing as other people mean when they say floater:

> I see something that moves, kinda like there was a scratch on my

> cornea, is what I was thinking it was. Then yesterday I noticed

> occasional flashed of light.

> Very scary.

> Today being a holiday, tomorrow I'll try to find an eye doctor.

>

> Previous to getting the 'floater' I had noticed pain in the same

eye,

> not great - kinda like I had had something in my eye, and it was

> irritated.

>

> Until I read the posts today where Kendra talks about her eye, it

> never occurred to me it could be Lyme-related.

>

> In a way I would prefer that it were; I would go back on the herbs

and

> hope that would do it. It scares me to think the eye doctor might

say,

> I need an operation or something, that is something I would have no

> control over, I'd have to trust the doctor.

>

> But - to those of you who have determined this is Lyme-related, how

do

> you know?

> People my age (60) get these floaters without having lyme.

>

> Appreciate any feed-back.

>

> ellen

>

[Guest guest]

I have found that nonLyme-literate doctors generally deny Lyme-related

symptoms. I went to a neuro-opthalmologist for my eye problems. He had to

anesthetize me in order for me to look at light(hello? Lyme in spades), and my

eyes

checked out fine by him -- like you said, a relief -- but he wouldn't say the

L word even when I handed it to him. Prescribed steroids, which you're not

supposed to take if you have Lyme disease. So, my chiro recommended mangosteen

juice the next day and the rest is history...

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Update- I went to the eye doctor today. I was really scared. Didn't

realize that floaters are rather common among people.

The doctor said my eyes were healthy, no cataract, no glaucoma, retina

was good. What a relief!

I had been imagining the worse.

I brought Buhner's book with me and said that sometimes floaters can

be a result of Lyme. He poo-pooed the idea. That's a surprise. <gr>

He told me there was nothing that could be done about floaters.

So I'm going to take the herbs that Buhner recommends for eye

problems, one of which is stephania root, which will probably help my

knee too. At the worst, they might not help, and I'll still have

floaters. But if my floaters are Lyme -related, I'm sure they'll help,

and at least they will cause no harm.

ellen

>

> Hi Ellen -- eye floaters and eye pain can be part of Lyme. The

bacteria

> affect all the nerves, including the ones that go to the eyes. I

drink UIltra

> mangosteen juice and it stops my eye symptoms. The mangosteen jucie

is

> anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant. It can be found at healthfood

stores and

> online(_www.vitacost.com_ (http://www.vitacost.com) is the cheapest

I've found). I

> drink a little bit with a lot of water. -- Robin

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I feel like the amnount of eye floaters I see has gone down

significantly since I treated. In my case, it's possible that the amount

of them that I see just goes up and down naturally, though, so it might

be coincidence that I see fewer of them now. A few months back there

were a LOT of them it seemed like. I'm on stephania also, by the way-

not sure if that's what helped or not.

rasheedaas wrote:

>

> Update- I went to the eye doctor today. I was really scared. Didn't

> realize that floaters are rather common among people.

>

> The doctor said my eyes were healthy, no cataract, no glaucoma, retina

> was good. What a relief!

> I had been imagining the worse.

>

> I brought Buhner's book with me and said that sometimes floaters can

> be a result of Lyme. He poo-pooed the idea. That's a surprise. <gr>

> He told me there was nothing that could be done about floaters.

>

> So I'm going to take the herbs that Buhner recommends for eye

> problems, one of which is stephania root, which will probably help my

> knee too. At the worst, they might not help, and I'll still have

> floaters. But if my floaters are Lyme -related, I'm sure they'll help,

> and at least they will cause no harm.

>

> ellen

>

>

> >

> > Hi Ellen -- eye floaters and eye pain can be part of Lyme. The

> bacteria

> > affect all the nerves, including the ones that go to the eyes. I

> drink UIltra

> > mangosteen juice and it stops my eye symptoms. The mangosteen jucie

> is

> > anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant. It can be found at healthfood

> stores and

> > online(_www.vitacost.com_ (http://www.vitacost.com

> <http://www.vitacost.com>) is the cheapest

> I've found). I

> > drink a little bit with a lot of water. -- Robin

> >

> >

> >

> > ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.>

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys, I have floaters too, and I'm also 60! Before Lyme (pre 1997) I already

had 2 cataract surgeries and had open angle low-pressure glaucoma. Now I have

additional Lyme optical manifestations, but have good eye care at Wills Eye

Hospital in Philadelphia. -Need Lazer surgery for the still developing

cloudiness.

BTW, went on (most of - still to order Stephania) Buhner protocol a month ago

and I can see and feel a Dramatic Difference. I also have a Biotech (possibly

not the best Rife machine; however, I know is a necessary supportive tool). I

would urge Anyone to purchase Buhner's book and begin immediately.

I was in bed, never left my bedroom (except for DR) for 3 years and now I am up

and cleaning, cooking, etc. Still not 100% - I'd say about 60%, but that is a

miracle over 5%.

All Best Wishes,

Muriel Pippin

kendels@...

[ ] Re:Eye floater-Lyme-related?

Hi Finette,

Thanks for both your messages.

I wnated to ask - do you take any of Buhner's herbs when you are

bothered by the floaters?

If so - what do you take, and what results do you see and how long to

see results?

It's interesting that your dr apparently sees some relationship to

Lyme, and that you notice an increase of symptoms when you are

experiencing Lyme symptoms.

I am also of a certain age - this Fri 60! Yikes, how did that happen?!

ellen

[Guest guest]

dear ellen,

sorry i could not reply earlier (doc appt today, other urgent stuff ...).

great news from the eye doc! i've learned to respond to situations like this

as a reminder to pay attention to my eyes and appreciate what a wonderful

gift they are in my life, feeling deep gratitude for sight and the wonders

it reveals.

as finette replied, i think the biggest concern is possibility of retinal

detachment, which is still quite rare and not specifically lyme-related

(that i know of :-o), but any sudden change in vision is always worth

checking out with doc.

floaters by themselves are very very common, seems moreso as folks age, but

much more common with lyme. if you look at burrascanno's lyme symptom

checklist, you'll see " floaters " listed, along with other eye symptoms like

blurriness.

i've always had floaters. i remember looking at them when i was a young kid

in grade school. but when i got lyme, they got a lot more numerous--to the

point they actually making it hard to read at times because they just get in

the way of line of vision. i have to move my eyes and wait for the floaters

to drift out of reading area.

i asked my llmd about floaters. she said the only thing she was aware of to

reduce floaters was to take nattokinase, an enzyme that gradually dissolves

fibrin and i guess the protein clumps floaters are made of.

so if you are concerned about the floaters, nattokinase might be another

option to try. stephania is also good for eyes, per buhner book. so seems

like you have some options. i'd also suggest sending some gratitude daily to

your eyes :-)

fyi, my eye pain definitely reduced a lot after i started stephania. and the

Inflammation Control (stephania extract) was like a miracle for totally

reducing my severe knee pain.

during times of stress,

may anxiety transfom to excitement,

may confusion transform to curiosity.

kendra

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From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf Of rasheedaas

Update- I went to the eye doctor today. I was really scared. Didn't

realize that floaters are rather common among people.

The doctor said my eyes were healthy, no cataract, no glaucoma, retina

was good. What a relief!

I had been imagining the worse.

I brought Buhner's book with me and said that sometimes floaters can

be a result of Lyme. He poo-pooed the idea. That's a surprise. <gr>

He told me there was nothing that could be done about floaters.

So I'm going to take the herbs that Buhner recommends for eye

problems, one of which is stephania root, which will probably help my

knee too. At the worst, they might not help, and I'll still have

floaters. But if my floaters are Lyme -related, I'm sure they'll help,

and at least they will cause no harm.

ellen

[Guest guest]

Ellen:

I am 65 and have had " floaters " for many years. The first one was quite

scarey, but now I have many. Don't know IF any are Lyme related or not. You

get used to them for the most part after awhile. They do bug me once in awhile

as I think I am seeing movement in my proliferal vision.

They are from separations inside your eye.

Jim

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rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

well I am still learning things on here!

Two days ago I woke up with what I call a floater - don't know if this

is the same thing as other people mean when they say floater:

I see something that moves, kinda like there was a scratch on my

cornea, is what I was thinking it was. Then yesterday I noticed

occasional flashed of light.

Very scary.

Today being a holiday, tomorrow I'll try to find an eye doctor.

Previous to getting the 'floater' I had noticed pain in the same eye,

not great - kinda like I had had something in my eye, and it was

irritated.

Until I read the posts today where Kendra talks about her eye, it

never occurred to me it could be Lyme-related.

In a way I would prefer that it were; I would go back on the herbs and

hope that would do it. It scares me to think the eye doctor might say,

I need an operation or something, that is something I would have no

control over, I'd have to trust the doctor.

But - to those of you who have determined this is Lyme-related, how do

you know?

People my age (60) get these floaters without having lyme.

Appreciate any feed-back.

ellen

[Guest guest]

Robin:

Do you find the cheaper Mangosteen from Vita Cost and iHerbs as good as the

more expensive stuff from Xango?

Jim.

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sfrobink@... wrote:

Hi Ellen -- eye floaters and eye pain can be part of Lyme. The

bacteria

affect all the nerves, including the ones that go to the eyes. I drink UIltra

mangosteen juice and it stops my eye symptoms. The mangosteen jucie is

anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant. It can be found at healthfood stores and

online(_www.vitacost.com_ (http://www.vitacost.com) is the cheapest I've found).

I

drink a little bit with a lot of water. -- Robin

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim -- I get the Ultra mangosteen from Vitacost for $16/bottle -- that's

a 32-ounce bottle. It also has 70 minerals and vitamins added to it. I checked

the iHerbs site and I don't see any mention of mangosteen juice on there.

The Xango is the multi-level-marketed juice -- 25-ounce bottle -- it is

supposedly the strongest juice. It's too strong for me but others swear by it.

--

Robin

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[Guest guest]

ellen

I have been to doctors also, that have rold me that they are very common when

we get older, and that nothing can be done about them. I didn't check any

further.

Like I said I have had them for many, many years.

I find Devil's Claw helps my vision much more than Stephania Root, though I

still take both.

I was taknig Stephania in capsules but have changed over to tincture.

Jim

###

rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

Update- I went to the eye doctor today. I was really scared. Didn't

realize that floaters are rather common among people.

The doctor said my eyes were healthy, no cataract, no glaucoma, retina

was good. What a relief!

I had been imagining the worse.

I brought Buhner's book with me and said that sometimes floaters can

be a result of Lyme. He poo-pooed the idea. That's a surprise. <gr>

He told me there was nothing that could be done about floaters.

So I'm going to take the herbs that Buhner recommends for eye

problems, one of which is stephania root, which will probably help my

knee too. At the worst, they might not help, and I'll still have

floaters. But if my floaters are Lyme -related, I'm sure they'll help,

and at least they will cause no harm.

ellen

[Guest guest]

I have floaters that are hazy or foggy: somewhat clear but still

you know something is there. I have floaters that are black spots,

some tiny & some larger, some with " tails " as the eye doc called

them. She was astounded at the size of one " tail " : you could hear it

in her voice that she was excited at seeing such a thing. You can

make them move around a bit by jerking your eyes to one side or

up & down, yet mine always seem float go back to the same area.

I also get flashes in my vision: some tiny white sparks and

sometimes a larger blue-ish flash.

My eyes are fine otherwise. LLMDs and assorted literature about

Lyme mention floaters as a symptom/effect. My eye doc agrees & she

also agrees that spirochetes get into the eyes.

I did have one eye doc who took advantage of the situation (my

illness & fears), and I switched to a new doc once I felt well

enough to cope with that move, so I would advise you to get a second

opinion if an operation is suggested.

However, you do need to make sure it is not a detached retina or

something like that ... just because one has Lyme it doesn't mean

other things cannot go wrong.

I do not get a pain in either eye; I do get dry eyes, which can be

irritating, as well as allergies affecting my eyes, which can also

be irritating.

Edith

--- " rasheedaas " <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

> I see something that moves, kinda like there was a scratch on my

> cornea, is what I was thinking it was. Then yesterday I noticed

> occasional flashed of light.

>

> Previous to getting the 'floater' I had noticed pain in the same

eye,

>

> It scares me to think the eye doctor might say, I need an

operation or something,

>

> ellen

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Kendra,

Beautiful reply.

Hope you are doing well.

best,

ellen

>

> dear ellen,

> sorry i could not reply earlier (doc appt today, other urgent stuff

....).

>

> great news from the eye doc! i've learned to respond to situations

like this

> as a reminder to pay attention to my eyes and appreciate what a

wonderful

> gift they are in my life, feeling deep gratitude for sight and the

wonders

> it reveals.

>

> as finette replied, i think the biggest concern is possibility of

retinal

> detachment, which is still quite rare and not specifically lyme-related

> (that i know of :-o), but any sudden change in vision is always worth

> checking out with doc.

>

> floaters by themselves are very very common, seems moreso as folks

age, but

> much more common with lyme. if you look at burrascanno's lyme symptom

> checklist, you'll see " floaters " listed, along with other eye

symptoms like

> blurriness.

>

> i've always had floaters. i remember looking at them when i was a

young kid

> in grade school. but when i got lyme, they got a lot more

numerous--to the

> point they actually making it hard to read at times because they

just get in

> the way of line of vision. i have to move my eyes and wait for the

floaters

> to drift out of reading area.

>

> i asked my llmd about floaters. she said the only thing she was

aware of to

> reduce floaters was to take nattokinase, an enzyme that gradually

dissolves

> fibrin and i guess the protein clumps floaters are made of.

>

> so if you are concerned about the floaters, nattokinase might be another

> option to try. stephania is also good for eyes, per buhner book. so

seems

> like you have some options. i'd also suggest sending some gratitude

daily to

> your eyes :-)

>

> fyi, my eye pain definitely reduced a lot after i started stephania.

and the

> Inflammation Control (stephania extract) was like a miracle for totally

> reducing my severe knee pain.

>

> during times of stress,

> may anxiety transfom to excitement,

> may confusion transform to curiosity.

>

> kendra

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From:

> [mailto: ]On Behalf Of rasheedaas

>

> Update- I went to the eye doctor today. I was really scared. Didn't

> realize that floaters are rather common among people.

>

> The doctor said my eyes were healthy, no cataract, no glaucoma, retina

> was good. What a relief!

> I had been imagining the worse.

>

> I brought Buhner's book with me and said that sometimes floaters can

> be a result of Lyme. He poo-pooed the idea. That's a surprise. <gr>

> He told me there was nothing that could be done about floaters.

>

> So I'm going to take the herbs that Buhner recommends for eye

> problems, one of which is stephania root, which will probably help my

> knee too. At the worst, they might not help, and I'll still have

> floaters. But if my floaters are Lyme -related, I'm sure they'll help,

> and at least they will cause no harm.

>

> ellen

>