Re: Re: Allergic Reaction to Andrographis

December 22, 2006

I think 's suggestion makes sense ( " I would stop everything for a few

days and then add them back in SLOWLY to see if you get the same reaction " ).

It's probably the safest way to go for the reactions you mentioned.

And if/when you retry later, maybe as little as one cap a day of only one

herb to start.

I've posted a couple of times that the Smilax/Sarsparilla got me to the next

level, I think because it's supposedly good at removing endotoxins. For what

it's worth, if I had to start again, I think I'd start with Smilax (to get the

" cleaner-uppers " on board first). Then I'd go with Resveratrol next. Just me,

though.

Maybe someone with more experience with sensitivities will have further

advice.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough start, but glad you found your way here.

Ann

In a message dated 12/23/06 7:47:53 AM, ashleypichon@... writes:

> That sounds just awful!!

>

> I've also just started the protocol, but have gone much slower than you

> have. I'm up to 5

> resv. a day and two andro. I found the andro very strong, so I've decided to

> take my time on

> this...

>

> I imagine it's possible that you've had an allergic reaction, though I'm not

> sure it's just to the

> andro--it may be that your body is so filled with die off that you've become

> sensitive to other

> factors in your immediate environment (this happened to me years ago when I

> went whole

> hog on a candida cleanse).

>

> I would stop everything for a few days and then add them back in SLOWLY to

> see if you get

> the same reaction...

>

> I'm new to this site, so maybe the others will have a more informed response

> to your post

> through their own experiences.

>

> Take very good care and let us know how you're doing ok?

>

In a message dated 12/23/06 3:15:25 AM, upanashad@... writes:

Hi,

I'm new to this group. Sorry to just bust in, but I recently started

Buhner's herbal protocal. I started with the cat's claw, but it had a

really bad effect on my nervous system problems, so I decided to try

the andrographis.

I've been taking 1 capsule 3x a day for the last few days. Today I

went up to 2 capsules, and I started getting itchy. Next thing I knew

I had some welts on my body, mostly in skin crevices like my elbows,

then it got worse and worse.

Now my whole torso is red like a tomato and itchy as hell, as well I

can feel the hives in my throat. Anyone else have this happen? The

thing is, I thought the adrographis was helping a little bit, so I'm

really upset about not being able to take it, but this reaction is

really quite bad.

Any suggestions?

>

December 23, 2006

n a message dated 12/23/06 11:40:45 AM, jbbigrod@... writes:

I am trying to decide IF we are ALL new to this site, OR IF most of us are

" old timers " to it; since the site is so new in itself. )

> I have been on Buhner's Protocols for over a year now.

>

Hi Jim,

Good point and reminder. I've thought about the same thing. I think it's a

good idea to keep in mind this is pretty new to most, relatively speaking, (and

as has been said before, that we're all different).

So, relatively speaking, you may be an " old-timer. "

(Less seriously,)

I started in June. Does that make me a middle-ager or am I still in

whippersnapper territory? :-)

Either way, I'm a blabbermouth this week (I'll blame it on Lyme - those

little sobs have cost me so much, they might as well take some flack, too).

Have a good one.

Ann

December 23, 2006

In a message dated 12/23/06 12:39:20 PM, loveandlight1111@... writes:

> Ann I love your blabbing ,if that is what you want to call it. I do it

> also. Keep blabing away.

>

Hi Joyce,

Thanks so much for that!

Because right before your post came in I was laughing my butt off!!! I

realized what an analogy I previously used might remind some people of - so

folks,

if you caught it, please change that to " BEACH balls. "

Oh god, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(immune system boost! :-)

December 23, 2006

Joyce,

I'm back online after lunch. Re the PT list, maybe I'm not the only one

getting goofy to get through the upcoming holiday (or maybe I was goofy from low

blood sugar and needing some food)! In the past I've gotten increasingly

depressed and irrritable the closer Christmas got, until I finally had a total

blowout (lost my temper, then cried, then felt totally exhausted (is that what

people mean by " emotional herx " ?).

I know exactly what you mean about not laughing. I have had times I felt like

I would never laugh again. I know now I was so sick from Lyme. And I have

thought how awful if it had killed me and no one ever knew why. Thank goodness I

finally figured out what was ailing me. Same for everyone else on this list.

I believe you are absolutely right about laughter being healing. Sometimes

it's just hard to figure out what to do to get ourselves to laugh (I sometimes

think of some of the scenes Annie Hall that make me laugh). Was it Norman

Cousins who watched funny movies when he was ill? Maybe laughter will be the

delivered to us?. Or maybe Buhner will come up with " funny herbals "

(like

fuunyboneset tea)?

Hang in there people. It can get better (even when it seems like it wont).

Ann

In a message dated 12/23/06 1:15:26 PM, loveandlight1111@... writes:

Glad you are laughing. Me to. Laughter and lightness is so healing. I don't

think the critters like it. Maybe its the CURE for lyme and company.

> Jon and others on Planet Thrive have been posting alot of humorous posts.

> Jon has such a good sense of humor. Sometimes if feels strange when I laugh as

> have not done much of it the last 2 yrs,killing lyme and co. Its almost like

> I look around to see who is laughing. LOL Take care and keep laughing. Joyce

>

December 23, 2006

Hi All:

I am trying to decide IF we are ALL new to this site, OR IF most of us are

" old timers " to it; since the site is so new in itself. )

I have been on Buhner's Protocols for over a year now. I had a real

itching problem on my BACK for several months, producing welts that would harden

and break open. I kept on with the maximum protocols, like MORE than 2500

capsules a MONTH. Up to 93 a day.

I switched from Andro to Coptis back in July, but didn't allow time for the

Andrographis to leave my system, even had a capsule or two of EACH the first day

I switched over, and I got into BIG trouble. I was also taking Artemisia annua

at the time.

I QUIT ALL herbs for a few days. THEN started up SLOWLY, one at a time,

till I got better. It took about three weeks or more to start feeling half ways

normal again. It really hit me hard. IT was VERY scary. And I mean VERY!

NOW, I have been off of Andrographis for about three months, and have been

on Coptis that time. When I finish my Coptis, a pound of bulk powder, I will go

back to Andrographis.

You know, my itching is MUCH BETTER these days. Very little of it. So

maybe there IS something to the Andro/itching thing. I will find out for sure

when I go back on the Andro. Glad you brought it up. I never thought much

about it. Wasn't sure if the itching was from herbs, or Morgellans or something

else. Will stay more aware of it in the future WHEN making changes to see IF

something starts it up again.

By all means stop whatever you are doing IF you have a problem. YES, only

one a day for a week is a good place to start on any herb. I had to do it that

way in the beginning, since my stomach was in such bad shape BEFORE starting

herbs, and got even worse when I took some abx for awhile. C-Salts from

nutri.com solved THAT problem though as NO abx or herbs helped it at all.

AND YES, Sarsaparilla is much more important to take than any of the other

herbs, except for maybe milk thistle and Red Root tincture. Actually, I would

not want to be without any of those three. It is SUPER important to CLEANSE our

bodies, not only of the Spirochetes, but other bugs and toxins as well.

I will probably never go off herbs as long as I live, now that I have seen

the many benefits of them. But IF I do go off most of them, THE ONE I plan to

keep on taking IS Sarsaparilla.

Respectfully,

Jim

###

Grpinfo@... wrote:

I think 's suggestion makes sense ( " I would stop everything for

a few

days and then add them back in SLOWLY to see if you get the same reaction " ).

It's probably the safest way to go for the reactions you mentioned.

And if/when you retry later, maybe as little as one cap a day of only one

herb to start.

I've posted a couple of times that the Smilax/Sarsparilla got me to the next

level, I think because it's supposedly good at removing endotoxins. For what

it's worth, if I had to start again, I think I'd start with Smilax (to get the

" cleaner-uppers " on board first). Then I'd go with Resveratrol next. Just me,

though.

Maybe someone with more experience with sensitivities will have further

advice.

I'm sorry you've had such a rough start, but glad you found your way here.

Ann

In a message dated 12/23/06 7:47:53 AM, ashleypichon@... writes:

> That sounds just awful!!

>

> I've also just started the protocol, but have gone much slower than you

> have. I'm up to 5

> resv. a day and two andro. I found the andro very strong, so I've decided to

> take my time on

> this...

>

> I imagine it's possible that you've had an allergic reaction, though I'm not

> sure it's just to the

> andro--it may be that your body is so filled with die off that you've become

> sensitive to other

> factors in your immediate environment (this happened to me years ago when I

> went whole

> hog on a candida cleanse).

>

> I would stop everything for a few days and then add them back in SLOWLY to

> see if you get

> the same reaction...

>

> I'm new to this site, so maybe the others will have a more informed response

> to your post

> through their own experiences.

>

> Take very good care and let us know how you're doing ok?

>

In a message dated 12/23/06 3:15:25 AM, upanashad@... writes:

Hi,

I'm new to this group. Sorry to just bust in, but I recently started

Buhner's herbal protocal. I started with the cat's claw, but it had a

really bad effect on my nervous system problems, so I decided to try

the andrographis.

I've been taking 1 capsule 3x a day for the last few days. Today I

went up to 2 capsules, and I started getting itchy. Next thing I knew

I had some welts on my body, mostly in skin crevices like my elbows,

then it got worse and worse.

Now my whole torso is red like a tomato and itchy as hell, as well I

can feel the hives in my throat. Anyone else have this happen? The

thing is, I thought the adrographis was helping a little bit, so I'm

really upset about not being able to take it, but this reaction is

really quite bad.

Any suggestions?

>

December 23, 2006

Hi Gang, I started the core protocal in Aug. But had been taking Cats Claw for

quite a while and doing Salt and C,bee venon shots etc.

Ann I love your blabbing ,if that is what you want to call it. I do it also.

Keep blabing away. Hi Jim, Glad you are doing well.

Blessings of miracle healings to us all in 2007. Namaste' Joyce

Grpinfo@... wrote: n a message dated

12/23/06 11:40:45 AM, jbbigrod@... writes:

I am trying to decide IF we are ALL new to this site, OR IF most of us are

" old timers " to it; since the site is so new in itself. )

> I have been on Buhner's Protocols for over a year now.

>

Hi Jim,

Good point and reminder. I've thought about the same thing. I think it's a

good idea to keep in mind this is pretty new to most, relatively speaking, (and

as has been said before, that we're all different).

So, relatively speaking, you may be an " old-timer. "

(Less seriously,)

I started in June. Does that make me a middle-ager or am I still in

whippersnapper territory? :-)

Either way, I'm a blabbermouth this week (I'll blame it on Lyme - those

little sobs have cost me so much, they might as well take some flack, too).

Have a good one.

Ann

December 23, 2006

Ann, I am in brain fog confusion. Duh! Don't get the beach ball thing. Will have

to look back at the previous posts.

Glad you are laughing. Me to. Laughter and lightness is so healing. I don't

think the critters like it. Maybe its the CURE for lyme and company.

Jon and others on Planet Thrive have been posting alot of humorous posts. Jon

has such a good sense of humor. Sometimes if feels strange when I laugh as have

not done much of it the last 2 yrs,killing lyme and co. Its almost like I look

around to see who is laughing. LOL Take care and keep laughing. Joyce

Grpinfo@... wrote: In a message dated

12/23/06 12:39:20 PM, loveandlight1111@... writes:

> Ann I love your blabbing ,if that is what you want to call it. I do it

> also. Keep blabing away.

>

Hi Joyce,

Thanks so much for that!

Because right before your post came in I was laughing my butt off!!! I

realized what an analogy I previously used might remind some people of - so

folks,

if you caught it, please change that to " BEACH balls. "

Oh god, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(immune system boost! :-)

December 23, 2006

Ann - This is hilarious, thanks - I needed that just now :-))

" Maybe laughter will be the next

breakthrough Lyme treatment - we'll all be having tanks of laughing gas

delivered to us?. Or maybe Buhner will come up with " funny herbals "

(like

fuunyboneset tea)? "

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