Re: new here and doing cowden protocol

March 4, 2007

Hi Butch,

What a tough time -- hopefully the herbs will bring it around. It sounds

like it's tricky, combining herbs from different people's recommendations,

as in Cowden and Buhner. But in the meantime, something that's been helping

me with joint swelling has been Epsom salt soaks. Since Epsom salts are

mainly magnesium, my working theory is that this is helping because

magnesium starvation is part of the problem, in dealing with borrelia. I

take magnesium supplements also, but can't do very much because of stomach

irritation. But the soaks feel great.

Getting in the tub isn't possible for me, but it's worked out really well

using a thick washcloth, dipped into a tub of hot water mixed with Epson

salts. 1-2 cups/2 quarts water. A scrap plastic bag on the bed, in the

area that's getting the soaks, helps keep it all under control. But if you

can get in a tub, that would probably be both easier and better.

Just a thought -- since it brings no worries of herb interactions!

Best wishes,

Shemaya

[ ] new here and doing cowden protocol

>i have been on 3 months cumanda (i am up to 11 x2) adrenal

> support(12x2)takuna (30X2)with the cumanda i take bromelain

> (1500mgx2)even days only and carnivora (4x2) odd days is there anyone

> in here who would like to shed some light on their experience with

> this ? my knees are inflammated all the time my feet are inflammated

> to the point i cant wear shoes they are huge .cant straighten out my

> arms elbow arthritis ? neck stiff all the time ,lower back

> pain,inflammation in left hand joints gettin worse . some months back

> i was on oral antibiotics about 5 months i lost alot of weight 40 lbs

> and all muscle in my body i am 47 yrs old and naked i look 70-80yrs

> old .i am still losing weight dont know why? i do eat. the cumanda is

> hard on me i was stuck at 5drops x 2 i pushed my self to 11 with all

> the bad i could imagine but i stuck with it .marijuana helped the herx

> if thats what the incredible amount of joint pain was and i slept alot

> during the day .i basically felt like shit .not too far from where i

> am these days with the constant joint pain and inflammation. so if any

> one has something to say about what i have just posted please let me

> have it . i am very much inthe dark here .all the tthe reading and

> this n that just boggles my mind anymore . i need someone who is on

> the same page as me with my treatment or close to it .tired of being

> alone i feel most of the time with this .there are probably a few

> aches and so on i forgot in here but i am sure most of you can imagine

> my condition .oh yes vicodin for pain not doing much good theses

> days.need something stronger.

>

> butch in mesa arizona

>

> ------------------------ /

>

March 4, 2007

dear butch,

i sounds like you are feeling very isolated, and needing a support system

during this difficult and confusing healing journey.

welcome to our group. i'm wondering why you choose the buhner group when you

are not using the buhner protocol? are there no support groups for cowden

protocol?

you say you are needing someone on the same page as you, however, most all

of us are using the buhner herbs, so i'm sorry we may not be able to help

you much with cowden. i did use the cowden protocol for a couple months,

with no improvement, before i found buhner. i recently posted about cowden

in message #3388, look in our archive.

i wonder, after 3 months of enduring such difficult symptoms, with little or

no improvement, what does your doctor say? why don't you stop the protocol?

have you been regularly testing your liver while taking these cowden herbs?

i've heard of some (not all) people having liver problems from the cowden

protocol. given your symptoms, this would be something to check.

have you read buhner's book on lyme? your symptoms sound a lot like mine

were; i found best relief from the buhner herbs, especially stephania for

inflammation, stiffness, aches, etc. and like many of others here, buhner

herbs generally have very mild herxes compared with other protocols i've

used.

may you deep rest nourish your healing.

kendra

-----Original Message-----

i have been on 3 months cumanda (i am up to 11 x2) adrenal

support(12x2)takuna (30X2)with the cumanda i take bromelain

(1500mgx2)even days only and carnivora (4x2) odd days is there anyone

in here who would like to shed some light on their experience with

this ? my knees are inflammated all the time my feet are inflammated

to the point i cant wear shoes they are huge .cant straighten out my

arms elbow arthritis ? neck stiff all the time ,lower back

pain,inflammation in left hand joints gettin worse . some months back

i was on oral antibiotics about 5 months i lost alot of weight 40 lbs

and all muscle in my body i am 47 yrs old and naked i look 70-80yrs

old .i am still losing weight dont know why? i do eat. the cumanda is

hard on me i was stuck at 5drops x 2 i pushed my self to 11 with all

the bad i could imagine but i stuck with it .marijuana helped the herx

if thats what the incredible amount of joint pain was and i slept alot

during the day .i basically felt like shit .not too far from where i

am these days with the constant joint pain and inflammation. so if any

one has something to say about what i have just posted please let me

have it . i am very much inthe dark here .all the tthe reading and

this n that just boggles my mind anymore . i need someone who is on

the same page as me with my treatment or close to it .tired of being

alone i feel most of the time with this .there are probably a few

aches and so on i forgot in here but i am sure most of you can imagine

my condition .oh yes vicodin for pain not doing much good theses

days.need something stronger.

butch in mesa arizona

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March 4, 2007

chris~

i'm not doing the buhner herb protocol, just learning about it.

however, i gotta at least try to give some helpful suggestion.

if i were you i'd stop taking everything except a very very little smoke and

vicodin when absolutely have to in order to get some sleep or the pain is so

bad you need to cry and scream.

add in shark cartiladge and lots of water. that'll enhance the immune

system and control the joint pain and inflammation but it'll take a few days

to really start controlling it as the levels must accumulate in your body.

find the book " sharks don't get cancer " and use per instructions so you

don't damage the delicate long chain molecules. dose yourself about half of

what it says to treat cancer...that's based on body weight and will be a

lot - you'll be burping the funky fishy flavor. have a quality

multi-vitamin daily, make a habit of juicing fruits and veges including

fresh baby mixed greens... whether you feel like it or like them or not, and

make sure you have at least a couple tablespoons of organic live plain

yogurt daily (NOT sweetened, fruit or flavoring added, just plain) don't

cook it or add it to anything hot until it's cooled.

if you can get ahold of colloidal silver or a generator and some silver

wires (even the most primitive like 3 - 9v batteries will do, read up around

the net) drink lots daily. if taking CSilver also take extra vit E, C,

Selenium, and MSM & /or chlorella.

that's my best guess to see what happens.

good luck!

bobL

> [ ] new here and doing cowden protocol

>

> i have been on 3 months cumanda (i am up to 11 x2) adrenal