Re: Stephania and SB on Planet Thrive

[Guest guest]

Strange I hear of so many who keep having brain fog. Mine pretty much went away

in about 10 days of taking Buhners herbal protocols, well over a year ago.

Course I added the Devils Claw, which seemed to work best at the time for that,

even though it is not specifically recommended for that problem. Then added

Stephania Root and Periwinkle tincture, and they helped a little too.

I was having the brain fog and terrible vision problems along with the

arthritic pains. I have had slight relapses from time to time, but usually not

strong and for only a day or two at most.

Has your throat problems cleared up yet? IF so, then I would tend to follow

's advice and re-introduce the Andro, but at VERY low doses at first.

You were okay, taking one capsule three times a day before, right? SLOWLY work

your way up to that and stay there for several weeks and see how it goes. IF

you get the rash problems again, stop it immediately.'

I got into trouble with an even MUCH stronger herb, Coptis. I got real

scared. But after a several weeks, I started it again, super slow at first; and

now am up to two capsules, three times a day, with no problems at all. Course

you don't want to take Andrographis at the same time as Coptis. That would be a

no-no.

Jim.

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sitas33 <upanashad@...> wrote:

Hi all,

So far I'm on six pills of resveratrol a day and I'm taking Siberian

Ginseng, but the Nature's Answer one, I haven't tried HerbPharm yet

as I'm afraid it will make me jittery, but I have some. Anyway, I've

noticed some slight improvement some days. My brain fog is still

horribly bad, though, and the damn shuddering I have never goes

away. Oh, and I'm taking 3 huperzine A capsules a day, too. Not

doing the trick yet, I guess, because I totally spaced on an

appointment today. Just wanted to give a quick update before I ask

my questions, as I'm curious to know how other people are doing, so

sharing is good.

Anyway, I have a question about the Stephania. How do you guys

decide whether to tincture it or take it in capsules? I know in the

book SB suggests ticnture dosages, so I thought I'd go that root,

but it seems like the people here have mostly been encapsulating it

for themselves. Reasons? Also, any advice on doing my own

tincturing? I've never done it before, but I got the bulk herb, so I

thought I might give it a go. Anyone tinctured Stephania?

And if you remember, I'm the person who had the bad reaction to

Andrographis. I asked about it on Planet Thrive, and he

answered my question, but it doesn't seem to be up there yet. In the

menatime, I thought I'd share it with you guys in case anyone's

interested:

question:

Dear , I wanted to report to you another allergic reaction to

andrographis. I had been taking it for a few days at 1 capsule 3x a

day, and

then yesterday I tried to take 2 capsules with lunch instead of 1,

and I had

a sudden attack of hives that gradually worsened until my whole body

was

bright red with huge white welts that were extremely hot and itchy.

I could

even feel them inside my mouth and throat. I stll have a lot of

itching and

welts, but they have subsided to some extent. The thing is, the

andrographis

is the only thing that I felt was actually decreasing my symptoms

over the

few days I took it. Is it possible to reintroduce it, and stay at

three

capsules a day, or is this dangerous after I have had an allergic

reaction?

I'm worried I have developed a hypersensitivity now to the one thing

that

was actually giving me hope of improving. I have been unable to take

the

cat's claw as it made my nervous system problems unbearable. Do you

have any

other suggestions if I am unable to take these two herbs? Thanks so

much for

any help you can give me, Sita.

answer: About one percent of people who take andrographis have this

kind of

reaction. If you discontinue the herb the reaction will clear in a

few days

to a week. I would suggest using knotweed and eleutherococcus until

you are

used to them and then VERY SLOWLY reintroducing the andrograhis at

much

lower doses and paying close attention to your repsonses. the

knotweed can

help lessen the potential allergic reaction. You just may be very

sensitive

to the herb and so tiny doses may work well for you. Let me know how

you

respond.

That was encouraging, but my doctor warned me about taking the

andrographis again, because of the fact I had hives inside my

throat. I guess that's dangerous. So I haven't decided yet whether

or not I'm going to try it.

Hope everyone is doing well,

Sita.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Steve, glad to hear you're able to slowly increasing the doses!

Just a reminder. I also got a terrible reaction when I took 2 andro

at once (level 2) about a year ago. I got a terrible air hunger, my

lungs got congested. I don't know if this was allergic reaction

though or something else. The thing is that I'm just scared of

increasing the dose of andro by myself ever since.

I could take it back again without problem, but my highest dose was 3

a day for a year! And I improved like that! Once I felt improvement,

I didn't care to take low doses. I was improving, slowly but steady.

Now I don't see any improvement at all, but because I practically

don't have lyme symptoms anymore. But I still take my andro.

I would never increase the dose of killers if I felt improvement, if

I were to start the protocol again. I would be very patient! Like

cats claw, I find it's not very easy to take it and the improvent I

got with it was not as 'clear', I took it as an immune booster

mostly. My body was happy with 2 capsules a day for ages. Even 3 was

a bit too much sometimes.

It's funny Buhner says knotweed helps decreasing allergic

reactions... Why the hell I can't tolerate it?? We're just so

different... I wish I could tolerate it. Buhner seems to believe more

on knotweed than on andrographis now. I suppose he's getting more

feedback from people concerning knotweed...

If you became very allergic to andro, you'll get a reaction even with

1/2 pill I suppose... Just go slow if you decide to take it again

though. I would do it during the day and be prepared to rush to

emergency if something happens. Maybe you could powder it and apply

to your skin with an oil or so and wait a bit to see. My daughter

reacted like that to eggs for example, with a rash. I didn't give her

eggs then!

I read in lymenet that sometimes if someone takes something a lot

more than the body can handle (or for longer time than the body is

supposed to 'accept' it), the body reacts with an immuno reaction. I

think it was Gigi who said about that. She's got a few years of

experience with lyme herself and is in close contact with Dr. K, I

usually trust what she says. I wonder if that's what happened to you

with andro or with me with knotweed (that I once could accept well).

That's why I think a muscle test or ART are helpful. So that we dont'

lose the ability of taking our beloved herbs one day! I do hope you

haven't lost andrographis, Steve. Fingers crossed for you.

AS for brain fog, if you don't get improvment there, you could try to

see if you got no viruses or other parasites in the brain. It was my

case twice last year. Buhner's herbs don't help these, unfortunately.

Take care and good luck with the magic andro!

Selma

> Hi all,

>

> So far I'm on six pills of resveratrol a day and I'm taking

Siberian

> Ginseng, but the Nature's Answer one, I haven't tried HerbPharm yet

> as I'm afraid it will make me jittery, but I have some. Anyway,

I've

> noticed some slight improvement some days. My brain fog is still

> horribly bad, though, and the damn shuddering I have never goes

> away. Oh, and I'm taking 3 huperzine A capsules a day, too. Not

> doing the trick yet, I guess, because I totally spaced on an

> appointment today. Just wanted to give a quick update before I ask

> my questions, as I'm curious to know how other people are doing, so

> sharing is good.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim, I have a quite long list of bugs that one can have in the

brain, like adenovirus, alpha streptococi, beta streptococi,

bordetella, neisseria, chlamydia trachomatis, coxascki virus (more

than one type), MANY herpes viruses, chlamydia, mycoplasma,

mycolasma, salmonella (two types), streptococi (MANY tpyes), even

some intestinal bugs that seem to reproduce in the brain like E-

coli... And many more.

Buhner's protocol deals wonderful with borrelia, I agree with you,

but one can have many other stuff in the brain and still get brain

fog after his herbs. You were probably a lucky one that only got

borrel there.

My brain fog got pretty well after his herbs, but I had still

something there, that finally got better with Hypericum (St. s

Wort), the KMT brain program and perhaps with the frozen garlic. I

could clearly see improvement with St. 's Wort and with the KMT

that has bacteriostatic functions for many of the pathogens above.

Besides, I still get borrelia in my brain, that's the last place I'm

fighting borrelia now.

Just look at you, you have done his maximum protocol plus a lot of

his side herbs for quite a long time but you are still not cured.

Borrelia is still hanging around you somewhere because you still have

symptoms, maybe not in the brain but somewhere else. One possibility

is either that they are hiding inside other bugs/ parasites OR hiding

in heavy metals (my opinion). Otherwise, the herbs should have got

all of the borrelia so far.

I dont' have borrelia symptoms anywhere else than in my head for the

moment... We're all so different!

I had terrible brain fog too in the past, not being able to count my

change when I paid, forgetting to take money when I went shopping,

getting lost my way home exactly like you, even though it's SOOO EASY

to get home here where I live. And I STILL have brain issues now, I

feel my brain clearing up after I take heavy metal cleansing herbs,

it's a clear change, exactly like andrographis did in the beginning a

year ago. Even though I can't say I had brain fog before I take this

NDF every morning, I do see my brain clearing after I take it... so

the fog is there, even though light.

So maybe I'm more metal toxic in my brain than you and metals in my

brain keep me from healing there. But, man, St. s Wort did

something to clear my brain too.

And look at coptis. Buhner does NOT recommend coptis against

borrelia. He said that coptis is good against worms and parasites,

but doesn't see how it could help killing borrelia. Coptis did

something to help you, I suppose, as you kept taking it. It was a

plus to Buhner's herbs then. Something you had to add to his herbs to

make you feel better. Or am I missing something?

We all got an ecosystem of bugs, many parasites came due to borrelia

because it shuts our immune system down. I certainly got parasites in

my intestines too that got better after frozen garlic and the KMT.

The list of possible parasites is also VERY long.

Exactly now, I'm fighting basically fungal infections. Some of

Buhner's herbs help on that too, but that's not their main function.

I find that Buhner's herbs do help on many lyme symtpoms, on borrelia

wonderfully (if we can ingest all herbs), but the list of problems a

lyme patient may have can be very long...

My question is: what are the problems you are fighting at the moment?

Do you think these are only caused by borrelia or tick co-infections?

Selma