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Hi Wes and and All,

I think the main thing in Michigan was to prove there were ticks that

carry disease as our grand Health Dept. and others took the stand

there was no LD in this State. [As in many other states.] We gathered

ticks anywhere and everywhere and had them sent for testing to prove

we did have the ticks here in MI. And we know now that one tick can

transmit several different varities of disease.

I sure don't buy the theory ticks don't cross " State Lines or

Counties. " This has been shoved down our throats and most with common

sense will figure it out sooner rather then later.

We know that deer travel all over the place and those little mice

surely multiple and spread. What else could transport the tick? I

believe just about any warm blooded animal.

I do not ever remember being bitten by a tick or having a bull's eye.

But I could have as a kid and never paid attention. Or was it passed

down from my mom when she gave birth to me. She lived with many of the

symptoms I have now and was never diagnosed with Lyme, but every other

thing under the sun. I grew up on a farm for the first 12 yrs of my

life, but even after that we always had pets, spent summers in the

fields and woods. I remember my mother telling us kids, " Don't handle

a sick or injured animal or bird. They carry disease. " Well, of course

we had to help all those little creatures and bring them home to mom.

Barb () Fitzmaurice - Michigan

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Hello Barb,

<p>Thanks for the note! At this point I am suspicious. I now wonder if

the ticks can actually be tested for anything other than species identification?

This is all they can do in Oklahoma! Why not call your health dept.! It

should be free to call!

<p>I'm just curious,

<p>Wes

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<p>Barbara Fitzmaurice wrote:

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<p>Hi Wes and and All,

<p>I think the main thing in Michigan was to prove there were ticks that

<br>carry disease as our grand Health Dept. and others took the stand

<br>there was no LD in this State. [As in many other states.] We gathered

<br>ticks anywhere and everywhere and had them sent for testing to prove

<br>we did have the ticks here in MI. And we know now that one tick can

<br>transmit several different varities of disease.

<p>I sure don't buy the theory ticks don't cross " State Lines or

<br>Counties. " & nbsp; This has been shoved down our throats and most with

common

<br>sense will figure it out sooner rather then later.

<p>We know that deer travel all over the place and those little mice

<br>surely multiple and spread. What else could transport the tick? I

<br>believe just about any warm blooded animal.

<p>I do not ever remember being bitten by a tick or having a bull's eye.

<br>But I could have as a kid and never paid attention. Or was it passed

<br>down from my mom when she gave birth to me. She lived with many of

the

<br>symptoms I have now and was never diagnosed with Lyme, but every other

<br>thing under the sun. I grew up on a farm for the first 12 yrs of my

<br>life, but even after that we always had pets, spent summers in the

<br>fields and woods. I remember my mother telling us kids, " Don't handle

<br>a sick or injured animal or bird. They carry disease. " Well, of course

<br>we had to help all those little creatures and bring them home to mom.

<p>Barb () Fitzmaurice - Michigan

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Hi Wes,

We had the Chief Health Officer or whatever you call them from our

health dept. come to a support group meeting and he said he takes his

orders and budgets from the CDC. They down in Atlanta decide what is

studied, and how much time and $ to spend on whatever the complaint

is. You need a real activist Health Officer to take on the CDC to get

studies done, and I am not all that trusting of the CDC anymore. So

anyway, rather then send ticks to the Gov't controlled CDC the ticks

were sent to a private entemologist (sp?) so there could not be any

doubt they the tests were not scewed. I think then the same ticks are

sent on to the CDC to be tested again and confirmation as to what the

private lab found. Hopefully.

As I understand it the ticks can be tested to see if they carry the

spirochete or bacterium that spreads disease. I know the species of

tick is identified and from there they can know that it is a species

that can carry and spread one of the many diseases it is known for.

Michigan Health Dept. is still saying the numbers of Lymes Disease

cases are not growing and that there is not the number of cases that

the MI LD Association claims there is. Well, since doctors are not

reporting the cases to the HD, then of course there are " lower "

numbers then ever.

I think most every state is in the same position and the LD Assoc for

each state have fought the battle against the Local Health Depts and

the CDC. One thing I wonder about, could the blood supplies in each

state be tainted with LD blood? Can you get LD from a transfusion?

Isn't the Health Dept and CDC sticking their necks out by not getting

the true facts out? Are they contributing to the spread of a serious

disease?

Barb () Fitzmaurice - Michigan

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Hello Barb,

Thanks for the note! At this point I am suspicious. I now wonder if

the ticks can actually be tested for anything other than species

identification? This is all they can do in Oklahoma! Why not call your

health dept.! It should be free to call!

I'm just curious,

Wes

Barbara Fitzmaurice wrote:

From: " Barbara Fitzmaurice " <BLFITZMA@...>

Hi Wes and and All,

I think the main thing in Michigan was to prove there were ticks that

carry disease as our grand Health Dept. and others took the stand

there was no LD in this State. [As in many other states.] We gathered

ticks anywhere and everywhere and had them sent for testing to prove

we did have the ticks here in MI. And we know now that one tick can

transmit several different varities of disease.

I sure don't buy the theory ticks don't cross " State Lines or

Counties. " This has been shoved down our throats and most with common

sense will figure it out sooner rather then later.

We know that deer travel all over the place and those little mice

surely multiple and spread. What else could transport the tick? I

believe just about any warm blooded animal.

I do not ever remember being bitten by a tick or having a bull's eye.

But I could have as a kid and never paid attention. Or was it passed

down from my mom when she gave birth to me. She lived with many of the

symptoms I have now and was never diagnosed with Lyme, but every other

thing under the sun. I grew up on a farm for the first 12 yrs of my

life, but even after that we always had pets, spent summers in the

fields and woods. I remember my mother telling us kids, " Don't handle

a sick or injured animal or bird. They carry disease. " Well, of course

we had to help all those little creatures and bring them home to mom.

Barb () Fitzmaurice - Michigan

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Hi Barb,

When I first got bitten the MI Health Dept, and head fellow (no names here)

told me that the ticks do not cross the county lines near Menominee, they

actually get off the animal. I asked him if we have little signs posted, no

ticks allowed, across this road or fence. I was furious.

He also told me they only eat in July and August, i got bit 9-13, and I asked

him if they had a calendar and did they know that Aug 31 is thier last chance

for a meal! I was not a happy camper.

hugs,

Connie

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In a message dated 8/31/99 8:58:13 AM Central Daylight Time,

LymeFightr@... writes:

<< So, with agressive treatment treatment he recovered and it seems that he

has

never had a residual effects from it. It looked to me at the time that RMSF

can be life threatening.

Marleen

>>

When I was tested for LD, I also was tested for most other tick diseases.

The report said I was " exposed " to RMSF. What does that exactly mean?

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In a message dated 09/01/1999 4:11:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Golfdawg@... writes:

> When I was tested for LD, I also was tested for most other tick diseases.

> The report said I was " exposed " to RMSF. What does that exactly mean?

Gee, I don't know. I can tell you this though, Chris

was delirious and in and out of it for days. He did not appear to know what

was going on.

Again, if someone hadn't remembered, and someone else, put it together then

he'd been bit by a tick, I don't know what would have happened. As soon as

they started treatment, he came BACK to himself in a few days.

Marleen

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Interesting. Well I do have heart problems, tachycardia....but uh, No life

threatening things happening yet....perhaps lol I should scratch this one of

my list after reading information about it there are a few things that just

don't fit. I had a fever with the rash. People were thinking chicken pox

or Measles and so forth. But it never did scab over it just kind of came

and faded away. But the starting on my legs and moving to the arms and

trunk is exactly what happened and I had a 102.2 temp but it didn't start

until I got the rash. At the time I just rubbed it off as being chicken pox

even though I had already had it at three years old.

Cyntha Landon Idaho

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>lyme-aidonelist

>Subject: Re: [ ] Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever info

>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:55:55 EDT

>

>From: LymeFightr@...

>

>In a message dated 08/31/1999 9:45:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>busy91@... writes:

>

> > The mortality rate for Rocky Mountain spotted fever is

> > less than 10 percent if an antibiotic is started

> > promptly. Some patients may require supportive

> > therapies, such as intravenous fluids, steroids, and

> > nasogastric feedings. Improvement should be rapid (36

> > to 48 hours). The exact treatment should be determined

> > by the animal's veterinarian or, in the case of a

> > human, a personal physician.

> >

>

>

>I just wanted to say that about 15 years

>ago my young brother in law acquired Rocky

>Mountain Spotted Fever from a tick in his

>back yard in Voorhees, NJ which is a very

>suburban neighborhood.

>

>almost died and was sick for days in

>the hospital and no one knew what was wrong

>with him. The doctors were baffled. Luckily someone

>was able to remember that had mentioned

>that he had been bitten by a tick a week before.

>That piece of info saved his life because the

>hospital he was in South Jersey had never seen

>a case before. There was an outbreak in that area

>of a few more cases. Did someone or animals *transport* infected ticks into

>the yards, who knows.

>

>So, with agressive treatment treatment he recovered and it seems that he

>has

>never had a residual effects from it. It looked to me at the time that RMSF

>can be life threatening.

>Marleen

>

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Barb,

I hope you had that cat treated for lyme disease. That sounds so

terrible that she had so many ticks on her body.

Barbara Fitzmaurice wrote:

>

> From: " Barbara Fitzmaurice " <BLFITZMA@...>

>

> I found it interesting that my old family doc here in Saginaw, MI had

> a patient come into his office, recently with a tick attached to her.

> He sent it in to be tested and it came back that it was the tick that

> causes Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

>

> Two or three years ago my cat came home with a face and ears full of

> ticks. I took them to the LSG meeting and the Mich. Lyme Disease

> Association sent them in for testing to an entomologist in NY. They

> were the ticks that carry LD. I never heard if they actually had the

> spirochetes, but so far my cat seems to be ok. What was funny is one

> tick was really engorged and on the way thru the mail she had hundreds

> of babies, nymphs, so the entomologist had quite a lot of them by the

> time he received them.

>

> Barb () Fitzmaurice - MI

> BLFITZMA@...

>

> Re: [ ] Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever info

>

> | From: LymeFightr@...

> |

> | In a message dated 08/31/1999 9:45:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> | busy91@... writes:

> |

> | > The mortality rate for Rocky Mountain spotted fever is

> | > less than 10 percent if an antibiotic is started

> | > promptly. Some patients may require supportive

> | > therapies, such as intravenous fluids, steroids, and

> | > nasogastric feedings. Improvement should be rapid (36

> | > to 48 hours). The exact treatment should be determined

> | > by the animal's veterinarian or, in the case of a

> | > human, a personal physician.

> | >

> |

> |

> | I just wanted to say that about 15 years

> | ago my young brother in law acquired Rocky

> | Mountain Spotted Fever from a tick in his

> | back yard in Voorhees, NJ which is a very

> | suburban neighborhood.

> |

> | almost died and was sick for days in

> | the hospital and no one knew what was wrong

> | with him. The doctors were baffled. Luckily someone

> | was able to remember that had mentioned

> | that he had been bitten by a tick a week before.

> | That piece of info saved his life because the

> | hospital he was in South Jersey had never seen

> | a case before. There was an outbreak in that area

> | of a few more cases. Did someone or animals *transport* infected

> ticks into

> | the yards, who knows.

> |

> | So, with agressive treatment treatment he recovered and it seems

> that he has

> | never had a residual effects from it. It looked to me at the time

> that RMSF

> | can be life threatening.

> | Marleen

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