Update on my herbal treatment

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I just posted this on lymenet and am copy-pasting down here:

I would just like to write an update here for the ones who are

interested in herbal/ natural treatments.

I continue to be practically symptom-free from lyme or co-infections.

I still have a long way to go to be able to be without lyme killers,

but I feel I'm on the right way, as it looks I'm improving steadily

in the last 7 months.

My last symptoms seem to be in fact 'herxes', as they come only AFTER

herbs/ supplements, to fade a few hours after. These 'symptoms' are

light chills (but not everyday, fortunately!), sometimes some

arthritic pains (not often though), fatigue and some lung pressure.

Lung pressure is my strongest herx for the moment. This herx though

comes now not after lyme killers, but after chelators. Before it came

after both. If I'm on lyme killers, but not on chelators, I feel

nothing on my lungs. So I'm not sure what I feel in my lungs is lyme,

but it seems to be more a metal problem.

Fatigue comes only after chelators, and not always. If not on

chelation, fatigue is zero. It was one of the last lyme symptoms to

go. Now I consider that it's more a chelation symptom. If I chelate,

it's difficult to cycle, mostly due to lack of breath. But on

chelation free days, I cycle like before lyme.

I discovered the noise I heard for months and months (came and went,

but not often) was not real, but it was also a sort of tinnitus. I

discovered it was a tinnitus because I dont' have it anymore for the

last 2-3 weeks. I start to miss it!!!

It's funny that I still discover some lyme symptoms only when they

vanish. I have the impression that when the heavy-duty symptoms fade,

I 'discover' that I have had many minor symptoms which I ignored

before, because they felt like 'minor'.

Like brain fog, when it's very light, we only know we had that when

the brain gets finally clear. And so on.

My lyme killers are now:

- 3 andrographis pills,

- 2 cats claw,

- 2 drops PC-Samento,

- 15 drops sarsaparilla

Metal 'chelators' are:

- 4 drops NDF (about 3 days on, 4 days off)

- chlorella (loads), Chitosan

Eletro magnetic current (KMT):

- not in use for the moment

And the supportive things like:

- milk thistle, magnesium, iron, minerals, enzymes, propolis, beet

root, lemon, flaxseed oil etc.

I had a major metal release some weeks ago, that I feel it started

with a sort of EFT tapping. That was an amazing experience. I knew it

was metals pouring, because I now recognize my metal poisoning

symptoms. And these symptoms faded (or diminished) after chlorella.

Metals poured and 'caused' a lot of pain in certain joints (the first

ones to have been affected with lyme-arthritis last year), even

though by that time, my arthritic pains had been zero for months !! I

knew I had lyme there, because everytime I stopped andrographis, the

arthritic pains returned.

I'm now feel confident that lyme can be healed. I'm not anymore

scared for my life as I was in the beginning of the year. Nor for my

daughter's.

She is also symptom free, very energetic (too much sometimes!!), so

I'm convinced that Buhner's herbs plus Dr. K.'s approach worked at

least for us both.

I feel I'm now in the middle of a 'chelation' journey, more than a

lyme journey. My worst symptoms are result from chelation as they

come only after chelators. I feel like I'm now dealing with lyme on

a 'maintenance' level, but I'm mainly concentrated on treating metals.

I feel I'm also free from co-infections, at least for the last

months. The metal problem, I'm now a true believer it IS a REAL

problem. I still can't say it's a problem that will make me free from

lyme (because I'm in the middle of the journey), but I can say for

sure that free metals in the blood cause the most awful symptoms one

can imagine!!

My skin is now not only soft (I have no memory of my skin being so

soft ever), but it's even changing tones (from darker tones on my

feet and hands to very clear). I atrribute that to chelation.

If anyone relate to my experience, I would love to know!

That's all for the moment.

Selma

[Guest guest]

Selma,

welcome back!

missed you.

this is a really helpful description of your circumstances and

experiences.

ellen

>

> I just posted this on lymenet and am copy-pasting down here:

>

> I would just like to write an update here for the ones who are

> interested in herbal/ natural treatments.

>

> I continue to be practically symptom-free from lyme or co-

infections.

> I still have a long way to go to be able to be without lyme

killers,

> but I feel I'm on the right way, as it looks I'm improving

steadily

> in the last 7 months.

>

> My last symptoms seem to be in fact 'herxes', as they come only

AFTER

> herbs/ supplements, to fade a few hours after. These 'symptoms'

are

> light chills (but not everyday, fortunately!), sometimes some

> arthritic pains (not often though), fatigue and some lung pressure.

>

> Lung pressure is my strongest herx for the moment. This herx

though

> comes now not after lyme killers, but after chelators. Before it

came

> after both. If I'm on lyme killers, but not on chelators, I feel

> nothing on my lungs. So I'm not sure what I feel in my lungs is

lyme,

> but it seems to be more a metal problem.

>

> Fatigue comes only after chelators, and not always. If not on

> chelation, fatigue is zero. It was one of the last lyme symptoms

to

> go. Now I consider that it's more a chelation symptom. If I

chelate,

> it's difficult to cycle, mostly due to lack of breath. But on

> chelation free days, I cycle like before lyme.

>

> I discovered the noise I heard for months and months (came and

went,

> but not often) was not real, but it was also a sort of tinnitus. I

> discovered it was a tinnitus because I dont' have it anymore for

the

> last 2-3 weeks. I start to miss it!!!

>

> It's funny that I still discover some lyme symptoms only when they

> vanish. I have the impression that when the heavy-duty symptoms

fade,

> I 'discover' that I have had many minor symptoms which I ignored

> before, because they felt like 'minor'.

>

> Like brain fog, when it's very light, we only know we had that

when

> the brain gets finally clear. And so on.

>

> My lyme killers are now:

> - 3 andrographis pills,

> - 2 cats claw,

> - 2 drops PC-Samento,

> - 15 drops sarsaparilla

>

> Metal 'chelators' are:

> - 4 drops NDF (about 3 days on, 4 days off)

> - chlorella (loads), Chitosan

>

> Eletro magnetic current (KMT):

> - not in use for the moment

>

> And the supportive things like:

> - milk thistle, magnesium, iron, minerals, enzymes, propolis, beet

> root, lemon, flaxseed oil etc.

>

> I had a major metal release some weeks ago, that I feel it started

> with a sort of EFT tapping. That was an amazing experience. I knew

it

> was metals pouring, because I now recognize my metal poisoning

> symptoms. And these symptoms faded (or diminished) after

chlorella.

>

> Metals poured and 'caused' a lot of pain in certain joints (the

first

> ones to have been affected with lyme-arthritis last year), even

> though by that time, my arthritic pains had been zero for

months !! I

> knew I had lyme there, because everytime I stopped andrographis,

the

> arthritic pains returned.

>

> I'm now feel confident that lyme can be healed. I'm not anymore

> scared for my life as I was in the beginning of the year. Nor for

my

> daughter's.

>

> She is also symptom free, very energetic (too much sometimes!!),

so

> I'm convinced that Buhner's herbs plus Dr. K.'s approach worked at

> least for us both.

>

> I feel I'm now in the middle of a 'chelation' journey, more than a

> lyme journey. My worst symptoms are result from chelation as they

> come only after chelators. I feel like I'm now dealing with lyme

on

> a 'maintenance' level, but I'm mainly concentrated on treating

metals.

>

> I feel I'm also free from co-infections, at least for the last

> months. The metal problem, I'm now a true believer it IS a REAL

> problem. I still can't say it's a problem that will make me free

from

> lyme (because I'm in the middle of the journey), but I can say for

> sure that free metals in the blood cause the most awful symptoms

one

> can imagine!!

>

> My skin is now not only soft (I have no memory of my skin being so

> soft ever), but it's even changing tones (from darker tones on my

> feet and hands to very clear). I atrribute that to chelation.

>

> If anyone relate to my experience, I would love to know!

>

> That's all for the moment.

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma,

Thanks so much for your post. I'm new to Lyme, new to the Buhner

protocol & new to this list. I just recently decided to take the

herbal approach after a very severe reaction to doxy going into my

3rd month on it.

It is very reassuring to know that someone is getting cured, as we

are all guinea pigs here i guess

Actually, I must say that I was very impressed at how well my main

symptom of muscle pain went away after only 2 doses of Andrographis,

it seemed to work much better than the doxy.

I have a couple of questions:

- what is the PC Samento & what is it for?

- what did you take to get rid of the co-infections?

- I am also getting electro-magnetic treatments, which I feel are

extremely helpful! I wonder what kind of machine you are getting

them from?

Thanks very much.

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila, welcome to the group!!

I wrote you a long answer, but it got lost somewhere!! I don't see it

here. I'll write again soon!

Selma

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

hope you'll feel better soon too.

Andro is my magic herb. I can stop anything else, but not andro.

That's the herb that keep most of my symptoms down.

PC-Samento, I explained a few posts above to Joyce (loveandlight).

Please read it.

Samento is a form of cats claw (without TOA). I didn't get better

using it, I only added it in the last 3 weeks (and only 2 drops, my

naturopath thinks it will help my lung pressure issue). I used the

whole version cats claw from raintree most of the time (since

December last year until now).

Co-infections: I had babesia and bartonela only.

I used Riamet (one box), then did turns of high and low dose

artemisinin with or without salt/C, and turmeric. But what killed it

for good were the KMT (check neuraltherapy.com, from Dr. K) and PC-

Noni, I believe.

What kind of machine have you been using? I'm using only the KMT, I'm

too chicken to try rife (herxes are too strong). KMT only makes you

tired, that's the only thing it does 'bad'.

KMT helped me immensely on parasitic infections (non-tick related) of

the brain and intestines. Together with frozen garlic and hypericum

(St 's wort).

I think what worked for me were (and is working):

- Buhner's core protocol, astragalus included, but little of knotweed;

- parasite cleanse with KMT and frozen garlic: I believe parasites

thrive even if you're recently infected (few months); if you have

these, your body gets weakened and can't fight lyme nor co-infections;

- I always took enzymes and Omega 3: said to help blood thining (to

help medicine/ herbs reach their target); I also do tapping every

time I take herbs for about 7 months, also said to help absorption;

- killing co-infections (babesia/ bart in my case): a great boosting!

- toxin elimination (after killing), and the metal detoxying).

- symptom 'managment' to keep going on (homeopathy, thyroid support,

magnesium against cramps, etc).

- strict non allergic diet.

The idea is to help your body to get the least stressed possible so

that it can fight borrelia and tick co-infections best.

You don't have to do all this at the same time (specially killing, as

toxins may kill you!), but this is the main lines I followed (and am

following).

this is just my own experience, not medical advice!

Take care,

Selma