Re: Re: Jim Bob where are you? Help on coptis dosage.

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Selma:

I believe Buhner did NOT write about Coptis because he feels the

andrographis is more managable and still does the job. It is easy to get into

trouble with Coptis. It is so much stronger than the other herbs we take, and

we have a tendency to take them for granted, and I for one got into BIG trouble

a couple of months ago with the Coptis.

I use about 1/4 as much Coptis as I did Andrographis. AND I take absolutely

NO ANDROGRAPHIS with COPTIS. NON! I can't stress that enough. It IS

dangerous to do so.

Think of Coptis as STRONG, STRONG, STRONG! ! !

Jim

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Thanks Ballady!!

Is it tincture you take? Do you know the proportion (1:4 or 40%).

Do you like the tincture (if it is?). Do you feel it works? Do you

notice improvement/ herxes? How would you compare it to andrographis?

Sorry for so many questions... I wished Buhner had writen about coptis

so that I wouldn't be asking basic things like that.

Selma

>

> Hi Selma,

>

> I'm not Jim Bob but thought I'd butt in here.

>

> Per directions from Sue Massie, I take Coptis in the evening right

> before bed and on an empty stomach. I started with 1/2 tsp. (mine is a

> liquid) but in a few days moved to 1 tsp. and haven't had any

problems.

>

> Ballady

>

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I don't know IF I would be AFRAID of Coptis, just use with extreme caution and

do not take it for granted.

Jim.

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Hi Jim, thanks again.

I'm afraid of coptis now!!!

Selma

>

> Selma:

> I believe Buhner did NOT write about Coptis because he feels

the andrographis is more managable and still does the job. It is

easy to get into trouble with Coptis. It is so much stronger than

the other herbs we take, and we have a tendency to take them for

granted, and I for one got into BIG trouble a couple of months ago

with the Coptis.

>

> I use about 1/4 as much Coptis as I did Andrographis. AND I take

absolutely NO ANDROGRAPHIS with COPTIS. NON! I can't stress that

enough. It IS dangerous to do so.

>

> Think of Coptis as STRONG, STRONG, STRONG! ! !

>

> Jim

> ###

>

> selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

> Thanks Ballady!!

>

> Is it tincture you take? Do you know the proportion (1:4 or 40%).

>

> Do you like the tincture (if it is?). Do you feel it works? Do you

> notice improvement/ herxes? How would you compare it to

andrographis?

>

> Sorry for so many questions... I wished Buhner had writen about

coptis

> so that I wouldn't be asking basic things like that.

>

> Selma

>

> >

> > Hi Selma,

> >

> > I'm not Jim Bob but thought I'd butt in here.

> >

> > Per directions from Sue Massie, I take Coptis in the evening right

> > before bed and on an empty stomach. I started with 1/2 tsp. (mine

is a

> > liquid) but in a few days moved to 1 tsp. and haven't had any

> problems.

> >

> > Ballady

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Selma:

you are smart to hold off on the Coptis for now. I have had NO problems

like you taking Buhner's near maximum of 12 capsules of Andrographis a day.

BUT, like you, I had pains below the stomach area, probably the liver, AND my

Lymph nodes were VERY painful when i took the Coptis the first time. Plus I

felt really wierd. Took me a few weeks to get back to feeling more normal. I

was wondering at the time IF I ever would.

AND I was taking good doses of Red Root and Milk Thistle at the time, ( and

still do).

Not EVERYONE can take herbs, just because someone else can. You know YOUR

body better than any of US do, so listen to it.

I sure am glad I discovered herbs though. I am taking my trip to Texas

tomorrow, over 3,000 miles, and last fall it just about killed me to drive 50

miles. Because of the pain, brain fog and vision problems. None of that right

now.

JB

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Ballady, thanks again. I do trust Jim, I know him for a while. I am

much more sensible than him for herbs and I'm on andro AND artemisia

annua (exactly like him). I know each person is different, but I got

some liver pains recently, I wonder if they do not come from coptis

(I mean, the WHOLE killing combo).

I would rather try it later, when I can drop andrographis to test. In

the moment, I can't drop andro as my symptoms return. I wanted just

to substitute andro for another thing, just to see what happens as

I'm with andro for quite some time. But I think I'll have to be

patient.

I can also ask my naturopath to test coptis for me next time. She's

excellent on dosaging things, I never got in REAL trouble with the

amounts of things she prescribed.

I'll take a look at the site just for additional information. But I

have quite a few herbs here to try too, like phelodendron, isathis,

forsythia, all said to be antispirochetal. I may try one of these

before coptis to see. I'm waiting for my liver to get back in track.

Thanks for your advice!

Selma

>

> Selma, I don't think there is any need to be afraid of it from one

> person's comment. You can go to the sensible health web site and get

> additional information, if you are interested. I have been taking it

> with no problem at all.

>

> Ballady

>

>

>

> > > Thanks Ballady!!

> > >

> > > Is it tincture you take? Do you know the proportion (1:4 or

40%).

> > >

> > > Do you like the tincture (if it is?). Do you feel it works? Do

you

> > > notice improvement/ herxes? How would you compare it to

> > andrographis?

> > >

> > > Sorry for so many questions... I wished Buhner had writen about

> > coptis

> > > so that I wouldn't be asking basic things like that.

> > >

> > > Selma

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Selma,

> > > >

> > > > I'm not Jim Bob but thought I'd butt in here.

> > > >

> > > > Per directions from Sue Massie, I take Coptis in the evening

right

> > > > before bed and on an empty stomach. I started with 1/2 tsp.

(mine

> > is a

> > > > liquid) but in a few days moved to 1 tsp. and haven't had any

> > > problems.

> > > >

> > > > Ballady

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi Selma:

I made the trip, but not without incident. I had an accident down in

Marshall, Texas on my way to the Houston area. So had to spend three days in

Marshall, trying to get my truck good enough to make the rest of the trip. I

will have a couple of weeks of work ahead of me now on the truck fixing it up to

be an acceptable driver.

I am based in central Wisconsin. Hopefully THAT will be my last LONG trip.

I am going to try to stick closer to home here in Wisconsin in the future, after

my next trip, that is. i have about a 1200 mile trip ahead either later this

month or early November, delivering an old Willys FC-150 truck I sold a guy and

picking up some antique treadle sewing machines for my self, and also a car for

myself, for parts. I am considering selling my car hauler truck and buying an

E350 Ford small bus, and convert it.

My Lyme was not bad on the trip, even though I ran out of herbs because my 6

day trip turned into 9 days because of the accident. Good to be home though

and not on such a grueling schedule.

take care,

Jim.

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Jim, I can't believe you'll drive 3,000 miles!!!! Where are you based?

I remember last year, that you were worried for your life, if you

were going to see 2006!! It's an amazing progress.

I'm on lymph drainage now, no worry. Pains are gone.

Good luck. Too much fatigue can bring lyme symptoms back, take care

you too!

Selma

>

> Selma:

> you are smart to hold off on the Coptis for now. I have had NO

problems like you taking Buhner's near maximum of 12 capsules of

Andrographis a day. BUT, like you, I had pains below the stomach

area, probably the liver, AND my Lymph nodes were VERY painful when i

took the Coptis the first time. Plus I felt really wierd. Took me a

few weeks to get back to feeling more normal. I was wondering at the

time IF I ever would.

>

> AND I was taking good doses of Red Root and Milk Thistle at the

time, ( and still do).

>

> Not EVERYONE can take herbs, just because someone else can. You

know YOUR body better than any of US do, so listen to it.

>

> I sure am glad I discovered herbs though. I am taking my trip to

Texas tomorrow, over 3,000 miles, and last fall it just about killed

me to drive 50 miles. Because of the pain, brain fog and vision

problems. None of that right now.

>

> JB

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Hey Jim, Glad you made it home safe. Blessings Joyce

--- " R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

> Hi Selma:

> I made the trip, but not without incident. I

> had an accident down in Marshall, Texas on my way to

> the Houston area. So had to spend three days in

> Marshall, trying to get my truck good enough to make

> the rest of the trip. I will have a couple of weeks

> of work ahead of me now on the truck fixing it up to

> be an acceptable driver.

>

> I am based in central Wisconsin. Hopefully THAT

> will be my last LONG trip. I am going to try to

> stick closer to home here in Wisconsin in the

> future, after my next trip, that is. i have about a

> 1200 mile trip ahead either later this month or

> early November, delivering an old Willys FC-150

> truck I sold a guy and picking up some antique

> treadle sewing machines for my self, and also a car

> for myself, for parts. I am considering selling my

> car hauler truck and buying an E350 Ford small bus,

> and convert it.

>

> My Lyme was not bad on the trip, even though I

> ran out of herbs because my 6 day trip turned into 9

> days because of the accident. Good to be home

> though and not on such a grueling schedule.

>

> take care,

> Jim.

> ###

>

> selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

> Jim, I can't believe you'll drive 3,000

> miles!!!! Where are you based?

>

> I remember last year, that you were worried for your

> life, if you

> were going to see 2006!! It's an amazing progress.

>

> I'm on lymph drainage now, no worry. Pains are gone.

>

> Good luck. Too much fatigue can bring lyme symptoms

> back, take care

> you too!

>

> Selma

>

> >

> > Selma:

> > you are smart to hold off on the Coptis for now. I

> have had NO

> problems like you taking Buhner's near maximum of 12

> capsules of

> Andrographis a day. BUT, like you, I had pains below

> the stomach

> area, probably the liver, AND my Lymph nodes were

> VERY painful when i

> took the Coptis the first time. Plus I felt really

> wierd. Took me a

> few weeks to get back to feeling more normal. I was

> wondering at the

> time IF I ever would.

> >

> > AND I was taking good doses of Red Root and Milk

> Thistle at the

> time, ( and still do).

> >

> > Not EVERYONE can take herbs, just because someone

> else can. You

> know YOUR body better than any of US do, so listen

> to it.

> >

> > I sure am glad I discovered herbs though. I am

> taking my trip to

> Texas tomorrow, over 3,000 miles, and last fall it

> just about killed

> me to drive 50 miles. Because of the pain, brain fog

> and vision

> problems. None of that right now.

> >

> > JB

> > ###

> >

>

>

>

>

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