Re: please share your experience on Buhner protocol

[Guest guest]

julie

thanks for adding that page to Planet Thrive.

by the way, i wrote up a document paraphrasing what each of buhner's

herbs

is good for (i didn't finish it however - a trend with me - not

finishing things).

i wonder if this should be posted on your site or on the buhner

files -

but i'm also concerned that if this were posted on a website - people

might

not actually read Buhner's book (and i think it's important that Buhner

makes

a profit for his brilliant work). what do you think, Selma?

anyway...here's the cliff notes that i wrote up so far. hopefully i

didn't get

anything wrong, and like i said, it's very incomplete.

Steve

BUHNER’S HERBS

JAP KNOTWEED / resveratrol

- ANTI- (bacterial, viral, spirochete, fungal, inflammation,

carcinogenic, antibiotic, viral)

- CNS relaxant / protector / crosses BBB / protects brain from

inflammation, infections, brain disorders, stroke, Alzhemiers (protects

from amyloid substances), brain and CNS inflammation, dementia

- Vasodilator, inhibits platelet aggregation, heart protective, good

for pericarditis, expands blood vessels, cardioprotective, palpatation

- Anti-ulcer

- Reduces herx

- Calming

- Anti spirochete

- Boosts immune function

- Bartonella

- Whole herb is crucial in lyme – not just resveratrol

- Strept / e-coli, coxsackie

- Candida

- Viruses that cause muscle weakness, poliomyelitis

- Encephalitis

- HIV / herp I

- Macular degen

- Anti cancer / tumor – cuts off blood supply

- Inhibits LDL cholesterol – lowers cholest w/in 7 days

- Blocks inflamm by blocking arachadonic acid

- Immunomodulator – auto-immune / lupus

- Lightheadedness

- Increases bone mineral mass

- Anti-aging, duplicates caloric restriction

- Shortness of breath

- myasthenia gravis, MS

DOSE: 1-4 tablets 3x / day depending on severity of sympts. Increase

incrementally – at max dose – stay for 60 days. Maintenance dose – 8-12

months.

ANDROGRAPHIS

- ANTI: (inflammatory, bacterial, viral, spirochete, tumor, paraites,

diarreah)

- Vermicidal

- Immune stimulant / lessens auto immunity, mass-cell stabilizing

- Liver, Hep B, restores liver from chemicals

- Sedative

- Lowers blood sugar

- BRAIN – protects from inflammation, brain fog

- CFS

- GASTRO: Bacterial dysentery, e-coli

- HEART – inhibits arterial narrowing, hardening

- Gum bacteria

- Cold / flu

- Headaches

- Treatment of kidney infections

DOSAGE: excretes rapidly (take often)

400mg (1-4) 3x day – start low – increase gradually. Maintain 8-12

months.

Stop if causes dizziness, heart palps, allergies.

SMILAX (sarsaparilla)

- IMMUNE – immunomodulatory

- ANTI: bacterial, inflammation, parasite, oxidant, rheumatic,

allergic, asthmatic, fungal, fatigue, spirochete

- BRAIN- neuroprotective, brain fog, dementia, Alzheimers

- Lessens HERXES (binds endotoxins)

- pain relief

- Liver function

- Low libido

- Weakness, paralysis

- Painful urination

- Headaches

- Anti-aging

- Anti-tumor

- Anti-arteriosclerosis

- Indigenous cultures: libido, kidney & bladder disease, paralysis,

headache, convulsions, skin sores, demential, syph, colic pain

DOSAGE:

425-500mg capsules: 1 – 3 caps 4x / day – 8-12 months.

Start low – reach high. Maintain 60 days minimum. As sympts reduce,

lower dosage to maintenance.

Side FX – may cause intestinal upset

CAT’S CLAW

- IMMUNE – stimulator, immune disorders, immunomodulatory

- ANTI: inflammatory, viral

- BRAIN: CNS enhancement, cognitive impairment, irritability,

neuropathy, memory

- Heart - protective

- Arthritis

- Muscle pain, weakness, fatigue

- Well being

- Increases CD 57 and NK

- Cancer, inhibits TNF

- Insomnia

- Raises white blood count

- Indigenous cultures: kidney cleanser, prostatitis, ulcers, cncer,

arthritis, urinary tract inflammation

DOSE: 1-4 (500mg) caps 3-4x day for 8-12 months (increase slowly each

week)

Side FX: diarreah, abdom pain. Subsides over time.

SIBERIAN GINSING / ELEUTHERO

N. American grown – more reliable

- anti stress

- IMMUNE: immune tonic / resistance to pathogens & spirochetes /

adaptogen / increases immunocompetent cells, NK, T-lymphocytes

- ENERGY: adrenal tonic / chronic fatigue / moves catabolic to anabolic

- BRAIN: MAO inhibitor / anti-depressant / clarity / alertness – good

for lassitude & depression.

- Normalize thyroid function

- Liver regenerator

DOSAGE:

SEVERE / ACUTE LYME:

Russian tincture – by Herb Pharm (2:1, rather tan 1:1) 1tsp 3x / day

– 30-60 days: 1 tsp 3x day before 4pm. Discontinue 2 wks. Repeat if

necessary.

If immune function improves – change to either capsules or 1:5

alcohol/water tincture.

Capsules: Nature’s Way – 2 caps, 4x day – 8-12 months. (if health is

better on extract than caps or if symptoms are severe, the extract is

better for continual use – continue tinctue 30-60 days on, 2-3 wks off

and repeat

SIDE FX: insomnia, hyperactivity w/ Russian (stronger) formulation.

Increases blood pressure.

TISSUE SUPPORT

VIT. C

w.out vit C, collagen can’t properly form skin, bones, cartilage.

DOSE: 1000-3000mg /. Day

Side fx / gas, upset stomach, diarreah. Body will adjust. BREAK UP

DOSE into 2-3

ZINC PICOLINATE W COPPER

Copper – critical co-factor in collagen prod’n and collagen in

arterial walls.

Zn picolinate w/ copper is essential in Lyme neurotoxins.

SILICON

Brand: Bio-Sil (1 brand among many)

Silicon found in low leveles in heart disease.

Myelin production

DOSE: 6-20 drops daily in 1/4 cup water.

GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE

Gives cartilage rubber-like quality. Promotes regeneration in joints.

Better mobility, less stiffness. 95% report benefit.

DOSE:

500mg 3x cay. Take at least 4 wks to improve.

PREGNENOLONE

- tissue disorders

- ankolysing spondylitis

- lupus

- arthritis

- better appetite / enhanced memory / more energy

DOSE: 50-500 mg / day (CAN cause overstimulation & agitation at high

dose)

DHEA

- lupus

- connective tissue disease

- 200mg / day decreases pain. Reduces need for steroids

DOSE: men – 50-200mg / day

ALPHA LIPOIC ACID

- antioxidant (1 of most powerful known)

- glutathione production

- chelation

- radioprotective

- normalizes blood sugar

- antiviral

- remove lyme endotoxins

- synergistic w/ selenium

DOSE: 600mg / day / DIABETICS beware

SELENIUM

- co-factor of glutathione

- as selenium decreases, virus load increases

DOSE: 200 mcg / day

B COMPLEX

- Maintain B-5 (pantothenic acid)

DOSE: 1-2 tabs / day

VITAMIN E

- Potentiates Vit C and selenium

- Stimulates CD57 blood cells (just as cat’s claw does)

DOSE: 400-800 IU / DAY

[Guest guest]

Steve,

This is very thoughtful of you to share. Thanks for taking the time to

post this.

My thought is that you can e mail Buhner and ask his

permission to post it here in the files.

Wellness and Peace,

Yarrow

[Guest guest]

,

I'm a bit swamped at the moment but wanted to say if I was starting the

protocol again (I think I posted here previously on what I did with the

protocol),

I would add Smilax sooner. I started it last out of andro, resv, cat's and

smilax. I noticed a huge improvement after I added Smilax and I think it may

have

been it's ability to bind endotoxins - when you read Buhner's book it sounds

like Smilax is the one that helps most with herxes.

Of course, we're all different, but if anyone else had this jump in

improvement happen with Smilax, please share.

Anyway, , you sound like you have good energy around starting the

protocol :-)

Congrats and Good luck, dear!

Ann

In a message dated 12/1/06 11:05:07 PM, j_genser@... writes:

> Hi all,

> I am excited and nervous because I am about to start the Buhner herbs next

> week! Just got my Cat's Claw, Andro, and Smilax. Just waiting for the

> Resveratrol. Has anyone started the protocol 1 herb at a time? I am planning

> to start low dose with Andro and work up to make sure I tolerate it ok, then

> add in Resveratrol, etc, 1 at a time to try to see how I tolerate each new

> one. Has anyone done this?

>

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I also think it is *very* important that people read his book -

because as you said he should make some profit, also because he has so

much information which would be impossible to do justice to by

summarizing.

And he has cautions.

And I think his first chapter where he discusses the disease itself is

vital to anyone trying to comprehend this difficult disease.

I think all of us can share our experience, but there is not

substitute for reading the book. And I agree with you - some people,

understandably, esp if they are experiencing 'lyme brain', may find it

easier to just follow someone's info, without reading the book.

ellen

>

> julie

> thanks for adding that page to Planet Thrive.

> by the way, i wrote up a document paraphrasing what each of buhner's

> herbs

> is good for (i didn't finish it however - a trend with me - not

> finishing things).

> i wonder if this should be posted on your site or on the buhner

> files -

> but i'm also concerned that if this were posted on a website - people

> might

> not actually read Buhner's book (and i think it's important that Buhner

> makes

> a profit for his brilliant work). what do you think, Selma?

> anyway...here's the cliff notes that i wrote up so far. hopefully i

> didn't get

> anything wrong, and like i said, it's very incomplete.

>

> Steve

>

> BUHNER'S HERBS

>

> JAP KNOTWEED / resveratrol

>

> - ANTI- (bacterial, viral, spirochete, fungal, inflammation,

> carcinogenic, antibiotic, viral)

> - CNS relaxant / protector / crosses BBB / protects brain from

> inflammation, infections, brain disorders, stroke, Alzhemiers (protects

> from amyloid substances), brain and CNS inflammation, dementia

> - Vasodilator, inhibits platelet aggregation, heart protective, good

> for pericarditis, expands blood vessels, cardioprotective, palpatation

> - Anti-ulcer

> - Reduces herx

> - Calming

> - Anti spirochete

> - Boosts immune function

> - Bartonella

> - Whole herb is crucial in lyme – not just resveratrol

> - Strept / e-coli, coxsackie

> - Candida

> - Viruses that cause muscle weakness, poliomyelitis

> - Encephalitis

> - HIV / herp I

> - Macular degen

> - Anti cancer / tumor – cuts off blood supply

> - Inhibits LDL cholesterol – lowers cholest w/in 7 days

> - Blocks inflamm by blocking arachadonic acid

> - Immunomodulator – auto-immune / lupus

> - Lightheadedness

> - Increases bone mineral mass

> - Anti-aging, duplicates caloric restriction

> - Shortness of breath

> - myasthenia gravis, MS

>

> DOSE: 1-4 tablets 3x / day depending on severity of sympts. Increase

> incrementally – at max dose – stay for 60 days. Maintenance dose – 8-12

> months.

>

> ANDROGRAPHIS

>

> - ANTI: (inflammatory, bacterial, viral, spirochete, tumor, paraites,

> diarreah)

> - Vermicidal

> - Immune stimulant / lessens auto immunity, mass-cell stabilizing

> - Liver, Hep B, restores liver from chemicals

> - Sedative

> - Lowers blood sugar

> - BRAIN – protects from inflammation, brain fog

> - CFS

> - GASTRO: Bacterial dysentery, e-coli

> - HEART – inhibits arterial narrowing, hardening

> - Gum bacteria

> - Cold / flu

> - Headaches

> - Treatment of kidney infections

>

>

> DOSAGE: excretes rapidly (take often)

> 400mg (1-4) 3x day – start low – increase gradually. Maintain 8-12

> months.

> Stop if causes dizziness, heart palps, allergies.

>

>

> SMILAX (sarsaparilla)

>

> - IMMUNE – immunomodulatory

> - ANTI: bacterial, inflammation, parasite, oxidant, rheumatic,

> allergic, asthmatic, fungal, fatigue, spirochete

> - BRAIN- neuroprotective, brain fog, dementia, Alzheimers

> - Lessens HERXES (binds endotoxins)

> - pain relief

> - Liver function

> - Low libido

> - Weakness, paralysis

> - Painful urination

> - Headaches

> - Anti-aging

> - Anti-tumor

> - Anti-arteriosclerosis

> - Indigenous cultures: libido, kidney & bladder disease, paralysis,

> headache, convulsions, skin sores, demential, syph, colic pain

>

>

> DOSAGE:

>

> 425-500mg capsules: 1 – 3 caps 4x / day – 8-12 months.

> Start low – reach high. Maintain 60 days minimum. As sympts reduce,

> lower dosage to maintenance.

> Side FX – may cause intestinal upset

>

> CAT'S CLAW

>

> - IMMUNE – stimulator, immune disorders, immunomodulatory

> - ANTI: inflammatory, viral

> - BRAIN: CNS enhancement, cognitive impairment, irritability,

> neuropathy, memory

> - Heart - protective

> - Arthritis

> - Muscle pain, weakness, fatigue

> - Well being

> - Increases CD 57 and NK

> - Cancer, inhibits TNF

> - Insomnia

> - Raises white blood count

> - Indigenous cultures: kidney cleanser, prostatitis, ulcers, cncer,

> arthritis, urinary tract inflammation

>

> DOSE: 1-4 (500mg) caps 3-4x day for 8-12 months (increase slowly each

> week)

> Side FX: diarreah, abdom pain. Subsides over time.

>

>

> SIBERIAN GINSING / ELEUTHERO

>

> N. American grown – more reliable

>

> - anti stress

> - IMMUNE: immune tonic / resistance to pathogens & spirochetes /

> adaptogen / increases immunocompetent cells, NK, T-lymphocytes

> - ENERGY: adrenal tonic / chronic fatigue / moves catabolic to anabolic

> - BRAIN: MAO inhibitor / anti-depressant / clarity / alertness – good

> for lassitude & depression.

> - Normalize thyroid function

> - Liver regenerator

>

> DOSAGE:

> SEVERE / ACUTE LYME:

> Russian tincture – by Herb Pharm (2:1, rather tan 1:1) 1tsp 3x / day

> – 30-60 days: 1 tsp 3x day before 4pm. Discontinue 2 wks. Repeat if

> necessary.

> If immune function improves – change to either capsules or 1:5

> alcohol/water tincture.

> Capsules: Nature's Way – 2 caps, 4x day – 8-12 months. (if health is

> better on extract than caps or if symptoms are severe, the extract is

> better for continual use – continue tinctue 30-60 days on, 2-3 wks off

> and repeat

>

> SIDE FX: insomnia, hyperactivity w/ Russian (stronger) formulation.

> Increases blood pressure.

>

> TISSUE SUPPORT

>

> VIT. C

> w.out vit C, collagen can't properly form skin, bones, cartilage.

> DOSE: 1000-3000mg /. Day

> Side fx / gas, upset stomach, diarreah. Body will adjust. BREAK UP

> DOSE into 2-3

>

> ZINC PICOLINATE W COPPER

>

> Copper – critical co-factor in collagen prod'n and collagen in

> arterial walls.

> Zn picolinate w/ copper is essential in Lyme neurotoxins.

>

> SILICON

>

> Brand: Bio-Sil (1 brand among many)

> Silicon found in low leveles in heart disease.

> Myelin production

>

> DOSE: 6-20 drops daily in 1/4 cup water.

>

> GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE

>

> Gives cartilage rubber-like quality. Promotes regeneration in joints.

> Better mobility, less stiffness. 95% report benefit.

>

> DOSE:

> 500mg 3x cay. Take at least 4 wks to improve.

>

> PREGNENOLONE

>

> - tissue disorders

> - ankolysing spondylitis

> - lupus

> - arthritis

> - better appetite / enhanced memory / more energy

>

> DOSE: 50-500 mg / day (CAN cause overstimulation & agitation at high

> dose)

>

> DHEA

>

> - lupus

> - connective tissue disease

> - 200mg / day decreases pain. Reduces need for steroids

>

> DOSE: men – 50-200mg / day

>

> ALPHA LIPOIC ACID

>

> - antioxidant (1 of most powerful known)

> - glutathione production

> - chelation

> - radioprotective

> - normalizes blood sugar

> - antiviral

> - remove lyme endotoxins

> - synergistic w/ selenium

>

> DOSE: 600mg / day / DIABETICS beware

>

> SELENIUM

>

> - co-factor of glutathione

> - as selenium decreases, virus load increases

>

> DOSE: 200 mcg / day

>

> B COMPLEX

>

> - Maintain B-5 (pantothenic acid)

> DOSE: 1-2 tabs / day

>

> VITAMIN E

>

> - Potentiates Vit C and selenium

> - Stimulates CD57 blood cells (just as cat's claw does)

>

> DOSE: 400-800 IU / DAY

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Yarrow. I actually already input the Lyme indications for all herbs

on my site, in the second link I posted yesterday. I only put the basics and

have a note that anyone following the protocol should read the book, with a

direct link to buy the book. The list you put together would be great to

post in the files on -Buhner site! It is very confusing to decide

how much to take, what form, and where to buy it. Any help in breaking it

down I'm sure would be appreciated!

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[Guest guest]

Ann, JUlie, I also waited way to long to add Smilax. I also do the Boneset tea

that is helping me. And I use jnutra.com neuro-antitoxII Basic. One of the most

reasonable of his products,as they are pretty expensive. I have found that I

have Bart,and Babs so working on that. I am pulseing Art for babs. Pretty strong

mecicine.

Grpinfo@... wrote: ,

I'm a bit swamped at the moment but wanted to say if I was starting the

protocol again (I think I posted here previously on what I did with the

protocol),

I would add Smilax sooner. I started it last out of andro, resv, cat's and

smilax. I noticed a huge improvement after I added Smilax and I think it may

have

been it's ability to bind endotoxins - when you read Buhner's book it sounds

like Smilax is the one that helps most with herxes.

Of course, we're all different, but if anyone else had this jump in

improvement happen with Smilax, please share.

Anyway, , you sound like you have good energy around starting the

protocol :-)

Congrats and Good luck, dear!

Ann

In a message dated 12/1/06 11:05:07 PM, j_genser@... writes:

> Hi all,

> I am excited and nervous because I am about to start the Buhner herbs next

> week! Just got my Cat's Claw, Andro, and Smilax. Just waiting for the

> Resveratrol. Has anyone started the protocol 1 herb at a time? I am planning

> to start low dose with Andro and work up to make sure I tolerate it ok, then

> add in Resveratrol, etc, 1 at a time to try to see how I tolerate each new

> one. Has anyone done this?

>

[Guest guest]

Steve, sorry for the delay, busy days lately!

I loved your summary. I never had a very very terrible brain fog 100%

of the time, but I'm sure some people had/have and would get help from

your summary.

As for letting it in the archives, maybe you could just leave the CP

herbs there?? Dr. K. already made a small summary and let in his

homepage, yours is only a bit more detailed.

Just my own opinion. If anyone is to start Buhner's protocol without

the book, I don't know, it seems too risky not to read all contra-

indications, side effects etc. I personally would never do it like just

reading a summary.

Selma

[Guest guest]

Joyce,

Thanks for writing....

I just checked ou the neuro-antitoxII Basic that you mention here. It

looks interesting. I don't really understand what the " Silphium

laciniatum " ....any researchers here who know about it? Have you

noticed any shifts with this supplement?

I can't remember if you deal with bad headaches. I do, and would love

to have something help me on the level of healing the cause. Taking

even one capsule of the raintree catsclaw ups the severity of the

headaches.

Anyone else taking the neuro-antitox? It looks promising.

Warmth and peace to all,

yarrow

>

> Ann, JUlie, I also waited way to long to add Smilax. I also do the

Boneset tea that is helping me. And I use jnutra.com neuro-antitoxII

Basic. One of the most reasonable of his products,as they are pretty

expensive. I have found that I have Bart,and Babs so working on that.

I am pulseing Art for babs. Pretty strong mecicine.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ann! I am really thankful you posted this reminder...I will definitely

start the Smilax

either first or with Andro. Much thanks for taking the time to post this!

>

> ,

>

> I'm a bit swamped at the moment but wanted to say if I was starting the

> protocol again (I think I posted here previously on what I did with the

protocol),

> I would add Smilax sooner. I started it last out of andro, resv, cat's and

> smilax. I noticed a huge improvement after I added Smilax and I think it may

have

> been it's ability to bind endotoxins - when you read Buhner's book it sounds

> like Smilax is the one that helps most with herxes.

>

> Of course, we're all different, but if anyone else had this jump in

> improvement happen with Smilax, please share.

>

> Anyway, , you sound like you have good energy around starting the

> protocol :-)

>

> Congrats and Good luck, dear!

>

> Ann