Re: Re: please share your experience on Buhner protocol

[Guest guest]

good point. so for that reason, perhaps it's best not to

post my notes on a website anywhere (ie, Planet Thrive or the Buhner

home page).

besides, what if i got some milligrams wrong, the protocol would

suddenly get

distorted. that's how history gets rewritten. the whole book is

invaluable - kind

of like the whole herbs rather than some extraction?

Steve

On Dec 2, 2006, at 11:19 AM, rasheedaas wrote:

> Steve,

> I also think it is *very* important that people read his book -

> because as you said he should make some profit, also because he has so

> much information which would be impossible to do justice to by

> summarizing.

> And he has cautions.

> And I think his first chapter where he discusses the disease itself is

> vital to anyone trying to comprehend this difficult disease.

>

> I think all of us can share our experience, but there is not

> substitute for reading the book. And I agree with you - some people,

> understandably, esp if they are experiencing 'lyme brain', may find it

> easier to just follow someone's info, without reading the book.

>

> ellen

>

>

> >

> > julie

> > thanks for adding that page to Planet Thrive.

> > by the way, i wrote up a document paraphrasing what each of buhner's

> > herbs

> > is good for (i didn't finish it however - a trend with me - not

> > finishing things).

> > i wonder if this should be posted on your site or on the

> buhner

> > files -

> > but i'm also concerned that if this were posted on a website -

> people

> > might

> > not actually read Buhner's book (and i think it's important that

> Buhner

> > makes

> > a profit for his brilliant work). what do you think, Selma?

> > anyway...here's the cliff notes that i wrote up so far. hopefully i

> > didn't get

> > anything wrong, and like i said, it's very incomplete.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> > BUHNER'S HERBS

> >

> > JAP KNOTWEED / resveratrol

> >

> > - ANTI- (bacterial, viral, spirochete, fungal, inflammation,

> > carcinogenic, antibiotic, viral)

> > - CNS relaxant / protector / crosses BBB / protects brain from

> > inflammation, infections, brain disorders, stroke, Alzhemiers

> (protects

> > from amyloid substances), brain and CNS inflammation, dementia

> > - Vasodilator, inhibits platelet aggregation, heart protective, good

> > for pericarditis, expands blood vessels, cardioprotective,

> palpatation

> > - Anti-ulcer

> > - Reduces herx

> > - Calming

> > - Anti spirochete

> > - Boosts immune function

> > - Bartonella

> > - Whole herb is crucial in lyme – not just resveratrol

> > - Strept / e-coli, coxsackie

> > - Candida

> > - Viruses that cause muscle weakness, poliomyelitis

> > - Encephalitis

> > - HIV / herp I

> > - Macular degen

> > - Anti cancer / tumor – cuts off blood supply

> > - Inhibits LDL cholesterol – lowers cholest w/in 7 days

> > - Blocks inflamm by blocking arachadonic acid

> > - Immunomodulator – auto-immune / lupus

> > - Lightheadedness

> > - Increases bone mineral mass

> > - Anti-aging, duplicates caloric restriction

> > - Shortness of breath

> > - myasthenia gravis, MS

> >

> > DOSE: 1-4 tablets 3x / day depending on severity of sympts. Increase

> > incrementally – at max dose – stay for 60 days. Maintenance dose –

> 8-12

> > months.

> >

> > ANDROGRAPHIS

> >

> > - ANTI: (inflammatory, bacterial, viral, spirochete, tumor,

> paraites,

> > diarreah)

> > - Vermicidal

> > - Immune stimulant / lessens auto immunity, mass-cell stabilizing

> > - Liver, Hep B, restores liver from chemicals

> > - Sedative

> > - Lowers blood sugar

> > - BRAIN – protects from inflammation, brain fog

> > - CFS

> > - GASTRO: Bacterial dysentery, e-coli

> > - HEART – inhibits arterial narrowing, hardening

> > - Gum bacteria

> > - Cold / flu

> > - Headaches

> > - Treatment of kidney infections

> >

> >

> > DOSAGE: excretes rapidly (take often)

> > 400mg (1-4) 3x day – start low – increase gradually. Maintain 8-12

> > months.

> > Stop if causes dizziness, heart palps, allergies.

> >

> >

> > SMILAX (sarsaparilla)

> >

> > - IMMUNE – immunomodulatory

> > - ANTI: bacterial, inflammation, parasite, oxidant, rheumatic,

> > allergic, asthmatic, fungal, fatigue, spirochete

> > - BRAIN- neuroprotective, brain fog, dementia, Alzheimers

> > - Lessens HERXES (binds endotoxins)

> > - pain relief

> > - Liver function

> > - Low libido

> > - Weakness, paralysis

> > - Painful urination

> > - Headaches

> > - Anti-aging

> > - Anti-tumor

> > - Anti-arteriosclerosis

> > - Indigenous cultures: libido, kidney & bladder disease, paralysis,

> > headache, convulsions, skin sores, demential, syph, colic pain

> >

> >

> > DOSAGE:

> >

> > 425-500mg capsules: 1 – 3 caps 4x / day – 8-12 months.

> > Start low – reach high. Maintain 60 days minimum. As sympts reduce,

> > lower dosage to maintenance.

> > Side FX – may cause intestinal upset

> >

> > CAT'S CLAW

> >

> > - IMMUNE – stimulator, immune disorders, immunomodulatory

> > - ANTI: inflammatory, viral

> > - BRAIN: CNS enhancement, cognitive impairment, irritability,

> > neuropathy, memory

> > - Heart - protective

> > - Arthritis

> > - Muscle pain, weakness, fatigue

> > - Well being

> > - Increases CD 57 and NK

> > - Cancer, inhibits TNF

> > - Insomnia

> > - Raises white blood count

> > - Indigenous cultures: kidney cleanser, prostatitis, ulcers, cncer,

> > arthritis, urinary tract inflammation

> >

> > DOSE: 1-4 (500mg) caps 3-4x day for 8-12 months (increase slowly

> each

> > week)

> > Side FX: diarreah, abdom pain. Subsides over time.

> >

> >

> > SIBERIAN GINSING / ELEUTHERO

> >

> > N. American grown – more reliable

> >

> > - anti stress

> > - IMMUNE: immune tonic / resistance to pathogens & spirochetes /

> > adaptogen / increases immunocompetent cells, NK, T-lymphocytes

> > - ENERGY: adrenal tonic / chronic fatigue / moves catabolic to

> anabolic

> > - BRAIN: MAO inhibitor / anti-depressant / clarity / alertness –

> good

> > for lassitude & depression.

> > - Normalize thyroid function

> > - Liver regenerator

> >

> > DOSAGE:

> > SEVERE / ACUTE LYME:

> > Russian tincture – by Herb Pharm (2:1, rather tan 1:1) 1tsp 3x / day

> > – 30-60 days: 1 tsp 3x day before 4pm. Discontinue 2 wks. Repeat if

> > necessary.

> > If immune function improves – change to either capsules or 1:5

> > alcohol/water tincture.

> > Capsules: Nature's Way – 2 caps, 4x day – 8-12 months. (if health is

> > better on extract than caps or if symptoms are severe, the extract

> is

> > better for continual use – continue tinctue 30-60 days on, 2-3 wks

> off

> > and repeat

> >

> > SIDE FX: insomnia, hyperactivity w/ Russian (stronger) formulation.

> > Increases blood pressure.

> >

> > TISSUE SUPPORT

> >

> > VIT. C

> > w.out vit C, collagen can't properly form skin, bones, cartilage.

> > DOSE: 1000-3000mg /. Day

> > Side fx / gas, upset stomach, diarreah. Body will adjust. BREAK UP

> > DOSE into 2-3

> >

> > ZINC PICOLINATE W COPPER

> >

> > Copper – critical co-factor in collagen prod'n and collagen in

> > arterial walls.

> > Zn picolinate w/ copper is essential in Lyme neurotoxins.

> >

> > SILICON

> >

> > Brand: Bio-Sil (1 brand among many)

> > Silicon found in low leveles in heart disease.

> > Myelin production

> >

> > DOSE: 6-20 drops daily in 1/4 cup water.

> >

> > GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE

> >

> > Gives cartilage rubber-like quality. Promotes regeneration in

> joints.

> > Better mobility, less stiffness. 95% report benefit.

> >

> > DOSE:

> > 500mg 3x cay. Take at least 4 wks to improve.

> >

> > PREGNENOLONE

> >

> > - tissue disorders

> > - ankolysing spondylitis

> > - lupus

> > - arthritis

> > - better appetite / enhanced memory / more energy

> >

> > DOSE: 50-500 mg / day (CAN cause overstimulation & agitation at high

> > dose)

> >

> > DHEA

> >

> > - lupus

> > - connective tissue disease

> > - 200mg / day decreases pain. Reduces need for steroids

> >

> > DOSE: men – 50-200mg / day

> >

> > ALPHA LIPOIC ACID

> >

> > - antioxidant (1 of most powerful known)

> > - glutathione production

> > - chelation

> > - radioprotective

> > - normalizes blood sugar

> > - antiviral

> > - remove lyme endotoxins

> > - synergistic w/ selenium

> >

> > DOSE: 600mg / day / DIABETICS beware

> >

> > SELENIUM

> >

> > - co-factor of glutathione

> > - as selenium decreases, virus load increases

> >

> > DOSE: 200 mcg / day

> >

> > B COMPLEX

> >

> > - Maintain B-5 (pantothenic acid)

> > DOSE: 1-2 tabs / day

> >

> > VITAMIN E

> >

> > - Potentiates Vit C and selenium

> > - Stimulates CD57 blood cells (just as cat's claw does)

> >

> > DOSE: 400-800 IU / DAY

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ellen, I agree with you that the book is important. And I do love reading

peoples experiences. The good,the bad and the ugly. J

rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote: Steve,

I also think it is *very* important that people read his book -

because as you said he should make some profit, also because he has so

much information which would be impossible to do justice to by

summarizing.

And he has cautions.

And I think his first chapter where he discusses the disease itself is

vital to anyone trying to comprehend this difficult disease.

I think all of us can share our experience, but there is not

substitute for reading the book. And I agree with you - some people,

understandably, esp if they are experiencing 'lyme brain', may find it

easier to just follow someone's info, without reading the book.

ellen

>

> julie

> thanks for adding that page to Planet Thrive.

> by the way, i wrote up a document paraphrasing what each of buhner's

> herbs

> is good for (i didn't finish it however - a trend with me - not

> finishing things).

> i wonder if this should be posted on your site or on the buhner

> files -

> but i'm also concerned that if this were posted on a website - people

> might

> not actually read Buhner's book (and i think it's important that Buhner

> makes

> a profit for his brilliant work). what do you think, Selma?

> anyway...here's the cliff notes that i wrote up so far. hopefully i

> didn't get

> anything wrong, and like i said, it's very incomplete.

>

> Steve

>

> BUHNER'S HERBS

>

> JAP KNOTWEED / resveratrol

>

> - ANTI- (bacterial, viral, spirochete, fungal, inflammation,

> carcinogenic, antibiotic, viral)

> - CNS relaxant / protector / crosses BBB / protects brain from

> inflammation, infections, brain disorders, stroke, Alzhemiers (protects

> from amyloid substances), brain and CNS inflammation, dementia

> - Vasodilator, inhibits platelet aggregation, heart protective, good

> for pericarditis, expands blood vessels, cardioprotective, palpatation

> - Anti-ulcer

> - Reduces herx

> - Calming

> - Anti spirochete

> - Boosts immune function

> - Bartonella

> - Whole herb is crucial in lyme – not just resveratrol

> - Strept / e-coli, coxsackie

> - Candida

> - Viruses that cause muscle weakness, poliomyelitis

> - Encephalitis

> - HIV / herp I

> - Macular degen

> - Anti cancer / tumor – cuts off blood supply

> - Inhibits LDL cholesterol – lowers cholest w/in 7 days

> - Blocks inflamm by blocking arachadonic acid

> - Immunomodulator – auto-immune / lupus

> - Lightheadedness

> - Increases bone mineral mass

> - Anti-aging, duplicates caloric restriction

> - Shortness of breath

> - myasthenia gravis, MS

>

> DOSE: 1-4 tablets 3x / day depending on severity of sympts. Increase

> incrementally – at max dose – stay for 60 days. Maintenance dose – 8-12

> months.

>

> ANDROGRAPHIS

>

> - ANTI: (inflammatory, bacterial, viral, spirochete, tumor, paraites,

> diarreah)

> - Vermicidal

> - Immune stimulant / lessens auto immunity, mass-cell stabilizing

> - Liver, Hep B, restores liver from chemicals

> - Sedative

> - Lowers blood sugar

> - BRAIN – protects from inflammation, brain fog

> - CFS

> - GASTRO: Bacterial dysentery, e-coli

> - HEART – inhibits arterial narrowing, hardening

> - Gum bacteria

> - Cold / flu

> - Headaches

> - Treatment of kidney infections

>

>

> DOSAGE: excretes rapidly (take often)

> 400mg (1-4) 3x day – start low – increase gradually. Maintain 8-12

> months.

> Stop if causes dizziness, heart palps, allergies.

>

>

> SMILAX (sarsaparilla)

>

> - IMMUNE – immunomodulatory

> - ANTI: bacterial, inflammation, parasite, oxidant, rheumatic,

> allergic, asthmatic, fungal, fatigue, spirochete

> - BRAIN- neuroprotective, brain fog, dementia, Alzheimers

> - Lessens HERXES (binds endotoxins)

> - pain relief

> - Liver function

> - Low libido

> - Weakness, paralysis

> - Painful urination

> - Headaches

> - Anti-aging

> - Anti-tumor

> - Anti-arteriosclerosis

> - Indigenous cultures: libido, kidney & bladder disease, paralysis,

> headache, convulsions, skin sores, demential, syph, colic pain

>

>

> DOSAGE:

>

> 425-500mg capsules: 1 – 3 caps 4x / day – 8-12 months.

> Start low – reach high. Maintain 60 days minimum. As sympts reduce,

> lower dosage to maintenance.

> Side FX – may cause intestinal upset

>

> CAT'S CLAW

>

> - IMMUNE – stimulator, immune disorders, immunomodulatory

> - ANTI: inflammatory, viral

> - BRAIN: CNS enhancement, cognitive impairment, irritability,

> neuropathy, memory

> - Heart - protective

> - Arthritis

> - Muscle pain, weakness, fatigue

> - Well being

> - Increases CD 57 and NK

> - Cancer, inhibits TNF

> - Insomnia

> - Raises white blood count

> - Indigenous cultures: kidney cleanser, prostatitis, ulcers, cncer,

> arthritis, urinary tract inflammation

>

> DOSE: 1-4 (500mg) caps 3-4x day for 8-12 months (increase slowly each

> week)

> Side FX: diarreah, abdom pain. Subsides over time.

>

>

> SIBERIAN GINSING / ELEUTHERO

>

> N. American grown – more reliable

>

> - anti stress

> - IMMUNE: immune tonic / resistance to pathogens & spirochetes /

> adaptogen / increases immunocompetent cells, NK, T-lymphocytes

> - ENERGY: adrenal tonic / chronic fatigue / moves catabolic to anabolic

> - BRAIN: MAO inhibitor / anti-depressant / clarity / alertness – good

> for lassitude & depression.

> - Normalize thyroid function

> - Liver regenerator

>

> DOSAGE:

> SEVERE / ACUTE LYME:

> Russian tincture – by Herb Pharm (2:1, rather tan 1:1) 1tsp 3x / day

> – 30-60 days: 1 tsp 3x day before 4pm. Discontinue 2 wks. Repeat if

> necessary.

> If immune function improves – change to either capsules or 1:5

> alcohol/water tincture.

> Capsules: Nature's Way – 2 caps, 4x day – 8-12 months. (if health is

> better on extract than caps or if symptoms are severe, the extract is

> better for continual use – continue tinctue 30-60 days on, 2-3 wks off

> and repeat

>

> SIDE FX: insomnia, hyperactivity w/ Russian (stronger) formulation.

> Increases blood pressure.

>

> TISSUE SUPPORT

>

> VIT. C

> w.out vit C, collagen can't properly form skin, bones, cartilage.

> DOSE: 1000-3000mg /. Day

> Side fx / gas, upset stomach, diarreah. Body will adjust. BREAK UP

> DOSE into 2-3

>

> ZINC PICOLINATE W COPPER

>

> Copper – critical co-factor in collagen prod'n and collagen in

> arterial walls.

> Zn picolinate w/ copper is essential in Lyme neurotoxins.

>

> SILICON

>

> Brand: Bio-Sil (1 brand among many)

> Silicon found in low leveles in heart disease.

> Myelin production

>

> DOSE: 6-20 drops daily in 1/4 cup water.

>

> GLUCOSAMINE SULFATE

>

> Gives cartilage rubber-like quality. Promotes regeneration in joints.

> Better mobility, less stiffness. 95% report benefit.

>

> DOSE:

> 500mg 3x cay. Take at least 4 wks to improve.

>

> PREGNENOLONE

>

> - tissue disorders

> - ankolysing spondylitis

> - lupus

> - arthritis

> - better appetite / enhanced memory / more energy

>

> DOSE: 50-500 mg / day (CAN cause overstimulation & agitation at high

> dose)

>

> DHEA

>

> - lupus

> - connective tissue disease

> - 200mg / day decreases pain. Reduces need for steroids

>

> DOSE: men – 50-200mg / day

>

> ALPHA LIPOIC ACID

>

> - antioxidant (1 of most powerful known)

> - glutathione production

> - chelation

> - radioprotective

> - normalizes blood sugar

> - antiviral

> - remove lyme endotoxins

> - synergistic w/ selenium

>

> DOSE: 600mg / day / DIABETICS beware

>

> SELENIUM

>

> - co-factor of glutathione

> - as selenium decreases, virus load increases

>

> DOSE: 200 mcg / day

>

> B COMPLEX

>

> - Maintain B-5 (pantothenic acid)

> DOSE: 1-2 tabs / day

>

> VITAMIN E

>

> - Potentiates Vit C and selenium

> - Stimulates CD57 blood cells (just as cat's claw does)

>

> DOSE: 400-800 IU / DAY

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, I love the way you have set up Buhner info. And love the Q & A.

Myself, I use energy testing to check in with guidance on amounts and

what to take and so does my Dr. I do love hearing feedback from people on their

experience with all the protocal. Joyce

julie genser <j_genser@...> wrote:

Thanks Yarrow. I actually already input the Lyme indications for all herbs

on my site, in the second link I posted yesterday. I only put the basics and

have a note that anyone following the protocol should read the book, with a

direct link to buy the book. The list you put together would be great to

post in the files on -Buhner site! It is very confusing to decide

how much to take, what form, and where to buy it. Any help in breaking it

down I'm sure would be appreciated!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Yarrow, Actually I have a mild headache right now but all my babs symptions

are up today. Not sure what the Silphium is I keep forgetting to research it. I

did take the Pale spike lobelia and Silphium separate as he sells them that way

also.

I seem to have to change things as sometimes something works and other times it

doesn't. These help but sometimes the Smilax helps. My headaches used to be

intense migraines and got worse at first with protocal. This is the first

headache I have had in a long time. But am having lots of stress and paint

exposure yesterday. Going to make me some Boneset and ginger tea right

now. I never know exactly what causes what. Just have to flow with what is.

Take care Joyce

gentlybe00 <gentlybe1@...> wrote: Joyce,

Thanks for writing....

I just checked ou the neuro-antitoxII Basic that you mention here. It

looks interesting. I don't really understand what the " Silphium

laciniatum " ....any researchers here who know about it? Have you

noticed any shifts with this supplement?

I can't remember if you deal with bad headaches. I do, and would love

to have something help me on the level of healing the cause. Taking

even one capsule of the raintree catsclaw ups the severity of the

headaches.

Anyone else taking the neuro-antitox? It looks promising.

Warmth and peace to all,

yarrow

>

> Ann, JUlie, I also waited way to long to add Smilax. I also do the

Boneset tea that is helping me. And I use jnutra.com neuro-antitoxII

Basic. One of the most reasonable of his products,as they are pretty

expensive. I have found that I have Bart,and Babs so working on that.

I am pulseing Art for babs. Pretty strong mecicine.

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[Guest guest]

Yarrow, I forgot to add,sometimes enemas or coffee enemas help. And sorry to say

sometime nonthing helps. I just have to wait it out. Blessings Joyce

gentlybe00 <gentlybe1@...> wrote: Joyce,

Thanks for writing....

I just checked ou the neuro-antitoxII Basic that you mention here. It

looks interesting. I don't really understand what the " Silphium

laciniatum " ....any researchers here who know about it? Have you

noticed any shifts with this supplement?

I can't remember if you deal with bad headaches. I do, and would love

to have something help me on the level of healing the cause. Taking

even one capsule of the raintree catsclaw ups the severity of the

headaches.

Anyone else taking the neuro-antitox? It looks promising.

Warmth and peace to all,

yarrow

>

> Ann, JUlie, I also waited way to long to add Smilax. I also do the

Boneset tea that is helping me. And I use jnutra.com neuro-antitoxII

Basic. One of the most reasonable of his products,as they are pretty

expensive. I have found that I have Bart,and Babs so working on that.

I am pulseing Art for babs. Pretty strong mecicine.

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