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Opening Our Hearts to Nature

By Rudi Jansma

the heart . . . is the organ of the spiritual man in the physical

body by means of a ray from the spiritual monad in the human physical

vehicle. Therefore it can be called several things: the organ of the

Reincarnating Ego; the organ of the personal man. Or again, it can be

called the organ of life for it is the center of life of the physical

body. It is from the heart that stream upward into the brain the rays

illumining the mind . . . — The Dialogues of G. de Purucker

A special book, The Secret Teachings of Plants by Harrod

Buhner,* acts as a bridge between mental science and the subtleties

of the heart. Its two main sections, Systole and Diastole, at first

sight have little to do with each other. Yet from scientific

information, deeply-felt experiences with plants, and quotations of

profound prose and poetry, the author has created a whole that makes

a sound connection between science and New Age sentiments, between

historical and modern perception of nature, between prose and poetry,

and between personal mental and emotional experience and a medical

art based on altruism and universal ethics. Its connecting thread is

that of a mystic who chooses various examples to unveil universal

truths.

*The Secret Teachings of Plants: The Intelligence of the Heart in the

Direct Perception of Nature, Bear & Company, Rochester, VT, 2004;

ISBN 1591430356, 315 pages, paperback, $18.00.

After a short introduction about himself, Buhner begins a fierce

attack on linear " Euclidian " thinking. He shows that straight lines

and neat mathematical systems do not occur in nature, and that

fractals and Mandelbrot structures come much closer to reality. He

maintains that constantly being taught abstractions as realities in

school is a great obstacle to the acquisition of knowledge directly

from nature.

At the same time, it is obvious that regular proportions and their

harmonies are emphasized by some of the giant souls of humanity:

philosophers like Pythagoras and Plato, and by scriptures of the

Hindus, Jains, Babylonians, and Egyptians. In Mayan scriptures, the

first deed by the Builders of the Universe was to measure with ropes

the square which is so important in cosmologies the world over. Even

though nothing in nature seems to answer completely to the ideals of

geometry and mathematics, nature seems to reflect these ideals, as in

crystals and in the regularities and perfections within the plant and

animal kingdoms. To me it seems rather that mathematics strives to

describe the noumenal or higher mental world of the gods, and that

life acts ever playfully and harmoniously within the possibilities of

these noumena, which are its all-pervading laws. A linear mind,

however, is but a faint and crystallized reflection of the

spiritually intuitive mind, and when exclusively adhered to is indeed

a great obstacle to the understanding of life.

The scientific parts of the book discuss the physiology of the heart,

brain, and individual cells — especially in relation to the

continuous production and interchange of information through electric

and magnetic fields — as well as very refined and intelligent

processes in physical and energetic nature. Communication within the

body takes place continually, inside and between organs, between

cells, and between individual organisms, all in a way which does not

directly involve the brain-mind except as an interpreter and distant

observer. Buhner certainly does not reject intellectual thought, but

he recognizes the proper status of the consciousness of the heart,

the brain, and even the intestines and other organs, in a conscious

whole.

Buhner regards living systems as the outcome of the self-organization

of smaller units resulting from continual communication, both

internal and external. Because every unit, however small, has its own

particular electromagnetic field, it communicates with all around it,

and recognizes and then fine-tunes itself to the fields of others.

Regarding cells, the author cites, among others, Jan Walleczek:

Biological cells can be viewed as highly sophisticated information-

processing devices that can discern complex patterns of extracellular

stimuli. In line with this view is the finding that, in analogy to

electrical circuits, biochemical reaction networks can perform

computational functions such as switching, amplification, hysteresis,

or band-pass filtering of frequency information.

The author notes that " Cells can recognize extremely subtle

differences in electric fields, " going on to say: " The plasma

membrane is a primary sensory organ for all cells. It possesses

thousands of receptors across its surface, designed to detect

perturbations, influxes of chemical, electric, magnetic, hormonal,

pressure, and mechanical impulses, among other things. "

Buhner feels that, as smaller units self-organize, a new identity

comes into being as a larger system with new behaviors. I only partly

agree with him here because I think that the self-organization of

smaller units would lead, not to living beings but merely to a

cooperating community like a termite hill or beehive with behaviors

of its own resulting from the cooperation of individuals. But a

living being has its own soul of a higher order which governs the

processes of attunement and cooperation of its parts. While every

single aspect and property of the universe is represented actively or

latently in even its smallest parts, each of these needs

a " compassionate hand " from conscious Being in the form of the

greater vital-electromagnetic fields of what are relative gods or

consciousnesses. These gods continuously tap a still higher source of

intellectual energy, transforming and translating the divine energies

to the level where they are to be applied.

Separate chapters deal with the physical, emotional, and spiritual

heart. The physical heart is far more than just a pump; it is in fact

the organ which determines the rhythms of our organism and provides

information to the blood. Nerve cells make up 60 to 65% of the heart —

so it contains more nerve than muscle cells. Besides being a subtle

and intelligent pump, the heart is primarily a processor of

consciousness and information. The rhythm of a healthy heart is never

regular: each heartbeat is unique. Likewise the magnetic and electric

fields that each heart builds around itself are unique. In this way

it communicates with other parts of the body, chiefly with the brain.

But these fields are also measurable outside the body, and thus

continuously communicate information from the heart to the

surrounding world, and from the world to the heart. We can learn to

listen consciously to this reciprocal information by perceiving and

understanding the subtleties of our constantly changing feelings.

This builds a bridge to the second section of the book, which deals

with communication with plants. Every plant has a consciousness, just

as all other living beings do, and it has messages it wants to

communicate. Every plant has its own character, not only outwardly

but especially in its own specific magnetic and electric forces, the

presence of which can be perceived by the energic fields of the human

heart. In this way it is possible to really know and understand a

plant on a deeper level, and the information interchange is mutual.

It is by this means that people close to nature have discovered the

medicinal or other influences of plants — and not by trial and error

as we are generally told. Through practice we can learn to recognize

this type of communication — at the end of the book the author

gives " exercises for refining the heart as an organ of perception. "

This method of learning through the perceptions of the heart can be

applied on a cultural level, and the author maintains that its

results are more reliable and exact than those of the usual

scientific approach which takes only the nervous system and brain

into account.

This method is not easy, however. Buhner says that when we meet,

perhaps on a walk through the forest or field, a particular plant to

which we feel an immediate, special attraction, it may be because

that plant wishes to convey something of use to us — for example,

something about our own inner development, its possible use as a

medicine, or its contribution to the ecosystem. All this information

is perceived immediately by the heart and stored in our subconscious

memory. Following that first recognition it may take years

of " sitting " with the plant to reach the point — which he calls,

after Goethe, the " pregnant point " — when the plant completely

reveals itself. It is necessary to develop a complete respect and

love for the plant as a teacher. It may not be easy for a human to

bow before a plant but, as Buhner says, plants are far older than we

as physical species, and retain experiences within them even from

archaic geological periods.

Theosophy teaches that plants today are perfected remainders of a

much more active vegetable kingdom of the far past, when the emphasis

of terrestrial evolution was focused within them. Each plant soul

reached its acme of evolution on this physical earth long before

humans became active. Plants have not changed fundamentally since

that time — though they always adjust outwardly to changing

environmental conditions — and their individual consciousnesses are

relatively dormant. They are waiting for a new vital impulse to

resume their evolution on a still higher level. Thus at present

plants have already reached their evolutionary goal for this cycle,

while we humans are still busy carrying on our evolution, which is

predominantly the further development of conscious mind.

So plants can teach us their experiential knowledge and wisdom in its

relative perfection. Rocks, plants, and animals are older than humans

as far as our present physical form is concerned. But in innumerable

earlier ages our essential self inhabited many other forms, including

those of rocks, plants, and animals. So we do have their general

experience within us. Moreover, as humans we have garnered

experiences of a type which the other kingdoms have not yet had

access to. Aligning ourselves with their souls today for particular

purposes is in fact a reawakening of aspects of our own subconscious

ancient experiences.

Of course, this path to knowledge does not only occur between human

and plant; it also exists between human and human. Buhner himself is

a natural healer who has learned to communicate with plants — not

only directly but also through his memory, in which all impressions

which reach the heart are registered — and with the cells and organs

of ailing people. A natural healer who has developed the ability to

perceive the subtleties of his own heart and mind can acquire a deep

empathy with a patient and his or her problem, including the

psychological and ethical aspects. He can then see directly which

natural remedy might be helpful, rather than relying on information

from books or trial and error — which even most naturopaths must do.

The last part of the book deals with ethics. Good intentions and

feelings alone are not enough to help a fellow human being.

Since " Nature is both the creator of man and his greatest teacher, "

one should become anchored firmly in the truth of nature, and not in

the lie of its mere description. " Because Nature does not lie, "

Buhner points out that

The more we lie, are out of accord with the truth that is found in

Nature, the less we are able to perceive of the depth dimensions of

Nature. The hidden face of Nature, thus, is an expression of its

moral dimensions, which are as real as its physical dimensions. We

partake of the moral not because we are human, but because we are of

Nature.

There are vast kingdoms in nature consisting of beings who have

already passed through and surmounted the human experience ages ago.

Our awareness of the scientific possibility of opening our heart to

nature, as this book explains, will also open the gateway to

awareness of and harmonization with the subtle, intelligent,

compassionate, and wise active energies of these higher beings which

encompass all nature. He says further that " All people naturally

should possess multiple points of view, have a multidimensional

consciousness " — if only the adherents of so many brain-born

religious sects would understand this aspect of real religion!

This book will be received warmly by healers and by all who wish to

become more aware of their complex and refined connections with

nature. More information about Buhner's work can be found on

www.gaianstudies.org.

(From Sunrise magazine, April/May 2006; copyright © 2006 Theosophical

University Press)

[Guest guest]

Has anyone gotten well on the Buhner protocal only?

[Guest guest]

From what I have been reading, no one gets 100% well on a single

protocol, but some have gotten significant improvements on Buhner's

core protocol, myself included.

What's amazing is that, for the ones that didn't herx too much and

knew how to control their doses, and could take all the main herbs

without problem (allergy, MCS), improvement was very fast. I mean,

compared to guys taking antibiotics or salt/ C protocol.

I believe that what he recommends for borrelia and immunomodulation

are VERY GOOD. The problem is that lyme is not only about borrelia

and immunomodulation. It's about detoxing, viruses, bacteries,

funghi, tick co-infections, toxic metals, in my opinion. And other

problems for long time sufferers like MCS, heart problems, thryroid,

who knows what more...

No protocol in the world can encompass all this. I did both Buhner

(mostly for borrelia) and Dr. K's treatment (mostly for detox), they

matched wonderful. ART shortened my trial and error too, in my

opinion.

I'm still on treatment, but very low profile now.

I start to feel I'm doing a maintenance protocol now, while still

fighting a pre-lyme funghi infection.

I'm not extremely afraid of a next tick bite and rise of symptoms in

case of re-infection, IF I take his core protocol herbs plus do some

ART to discover co-infections. I feel lyme is treatable, specially if

caught early and if you know which co-infections you were reinfected

with.

His herbs are powerful. ART for me is another powerful instrument.

Selma

>

> Has anyone gotten well on the Buhner protocal only?

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with Selma...that there are so many issues with Lyme that one

single protocol cannot address them all (for most people, anyway. I

concede there are exceptions as I have personally met a couple of

folks who healed on salt/C ALONE!) However, they may be the exception

and not the rule.

In addition to dealing with the multiple infections, mercury and other

toxic substances in teh body, for me personally, dealing with the

emotional/spiritual component of healing has been just as, if not MORE

important than herbs, salt/C, Rifing, etc...

Why? The subconscious plays a very powerful role in controlling the

immune system and hence cellular behavior. If a person (such as

myself) is overloaded with harmful and false beliefs as a result of

past experiences, these can become wired into the subconscious, which

in turn affects the autonomic nervous system, which then affects the

immune system and hence healing.

Addressing these via therapies designed to bypass the conscious mind

and " re-wire " the subconscious (such as Immune Response Training and

binaural beat CD's) can have marked effects on healing.

Thanks, Connie

>

> From what I have been reading, no one gets 100% well on a single

> protocol, but some have gotten significant improvements on Buhner's

> core protocol, myself included.

>

> What's amazing is that, for the ones that didn't herx too much and

> knew how to control their doses, and could take all the main herbs

> without problem (allergy, MCS), improvement was very fast. I mean,

> compared to guys taking antibiotics or salt/ C protocol.

>

> I believe that what he recommends for borrelia and immunomodulation

> are VERY GOOD. The problem is that lyme is not only about borrelia

> and immunomodulation. It's about detoxing, viruses, bacteries,

> funghi, tick co-infections, toxic metals, in my opinion. And other

> problems for long time sufferers like MCS, heart problems, thryroid,

> who knows what more...

>

> No protocol in the world can encompass all this. I did both Buhner

> (mostly for borrelia) and Dr. K's treatment (mostly for detox), they

> matched wonderful. ART shortened my trial and error too, in my

> opinion.

>

> I'm still on treatment, but very low profile now.

>

> I start to feel I'm doing a maintenance protocol now, while still

> fighting a pre-lyme funghi infection.

>

> I'm not extremely afraid of a next tick bite and rise of symptoms in

> case of re-infection, IF I take his core protocol herbs plus do some

> ART to discover co-infections. I feel lyme is treatable, specially if

> caught early and if you know which co-infections you were reinfected

> with.

>

> His herbs are powerful. ART for me is another powerful instrument.

>

> Selma

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone gotten well on the Buhner protocal only?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for remembering that side, Connie.

Are you also using tapping through your ART practioner (MFT, mental

field therapy)? I have been using it in the late stages of my

treatment... It seems to work as a charm!!!

Amazing you actually met someone cured by salt/C. Does it mean they

had drop salt/C or continued with it forever?

Selma

>

> I agree with Selma...that there are so many issues with Lyme that

one

> single protocol cannot address them all (for most people, anyway. I

> concede there are exceptions as I have personally met a couple of

> folks who healed on salt/C ALONE!) However, they may be the

exception

> and not the rule.

>

> In addition to dealing with the multiple infections, mercury and

other

> toxic substances in teh body, for me personally, dealing with the

> emotional/spiritual component of healing has been just as, if not

MORE

> important than herbs, salt/C, Rifing, etc...

>

> Why? The subconscious plays a very powerful role in controlling the

> immune system and hence cellular behavior. If a person (such as

> myself) is overloaded with harmful and false beliefs as a result of

> past experiences, these can become wired into the subconscious,

which

> in turn affects the autonomic nervous system, which then affects the

> immune system and hence healing.

>

> Addressing these via therapies designed to bypass the conscious mind

> and " re-wire " the subconscious (such as Immune Response Training and

> binaural beat CD's) can have marked effects on healing.

>

> Thanks, Connie

>

[Guest guest]

I must disagree with my friend Selma.

I feel completely rid of Lyme and I ascribe that to Buhner's protocol.

True, I have some residual knee issues, but I believe these are due to

damage left by the Lyme.

True I took 30 days of abx, but I don't feel that contributed to

anything except mouth thrush.

Best,

ellen

>

> From what I have been reading, no one gets 100% well on a single

> protocol, but some have gotten significant improvements on Buhner's

> core protocol, myself included.

>

> What's amazing is that, for the ones that didn't herx too much and

> knew how to control their doses, and could take all the main herbs

> without problem (allergy, MCS), improvement was very fast. I mean,

> compared to guys taking antibiotics or salt/ C protocol.

>

> I believe that what he recommends for borrelia and immunomodulation

> are VERY GOOD. The problem is that lyme is not only about borrelia

> and immunomodulation. It's about detoxing, viruses, bacteries,

> funghi, tick co-infections, toxic metals, in my opinion. And other

> problems for long time sufferers like MCS, heart problems, thryroid,

> who knows what more...

>

> No protocol in the world can encompass all this. I did both Buhner

> (mostly for borrelia) and Dr. K's treatment (mostly for detox), they

> matched wonderful. ART shortened my trial and error too, in my

> opinion.

>

> I'm still on treatment, but very low profile now.

>

> I start to feel I'm doing a maintenance protocol now, while still

> fighting a pre-lyme funghi infection.

>

> I'm not extremely afraid of a next tick bite and rise of symptoms in

> case of re-infection, IF I take his core protocol herbs plus do some

> ART to discover co-infections. I feel lyme is treatable, specially if

> caught early and if you know which co-infections you were reinfected

> with.

>

> His herbs are powerful. ART for me is another powerful instrument.

>

> Selma

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone gotten well on the Buhner protocal only?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Ellen, I didn't know you got rid of lyme solely on Buhner!!!!

This is great news for newbies. I was sure you had tried longer abx

before!!!

How long have you been sick before the 30 day abx intake? So you

probably didn't have co-infections??

Selma

> I must disagree with my friend Selma.

>

> I feel completely rid of Lyme and I ascribe that to Buhner's protocol.

>

> True, I have some residual knee issues, but I believe these are due to

> damage left by the Lyme.

> True I took 30 days of abx, but I don't feel that contributed to

> anything except mouth thrush.

>

> Best,

> ellen

>

[Guest guest]

VJ, I answered you a bit in another post, just check it.

I guess you did a good start, even better than I did (I'm still with

root canals, but they're so painful, I know there are bugs there!).

If money is not your problem, and you're a patient person with a good

practioner, I guess you'll get better sometime soon!!! Be confident.

Not healed (as it takes some time) but certainly better!

I got a low budget and it took me time to find a good practioner. So

it took me more about a year to get better. I'm still on treatment,

but less for lyme, more for funghi and metals, I guess.

My posts are scattered here and in lymenet.

As for Core protocol, I followed Buhner's suggestion (always start

with his suggestions for brands, it's a good starting point). If you

start reacting badly with them, then change and post your question

here. People are helpful.

If your practioner does muscle test, buy the stuff and take to him to

be tested. He'll get the right amount for you. But for Buhner

protocol and herbs, trust Buhner, as he's the expert. No practioner

so far has enough experience with the protocol as it's still new. I

would just start much slower than Buhner proposes in his book and not

push to get into high amoutns if your body doesn't accept it. Low

amounts but always, is better than higher intolerable amounts. Keep

herxes at minimum level. Do lots of cleansing.

Someone suggested that women tolerate less amounts of Buhner's herbs

than men, in general... Who knows?

Don't forget to test herbs individually then test them altogether in

the end. Excessive killing is NOT a good idea. Small tiny steps a day

is better than many big steps in one day, and no step for the next

weeks due to a bad herx.

As for chlorella (I would take it with ANY protocol), I bought the

equivalent of Biopure here in Europe (from the INK, the dr. K's

institute). It was my last choice, but the one I keep after many

trial/ error. Buhner also thinks to add chlorella to his protocol is

a very good idea (private email).

As for frozen garlic, I also used their brand. All other garlic

products didn't get closer to their frozen garlic in strengh. It's

very strong. Must be diluted in water and drank. Some don't believe

in garlic, (as Buhner don't) but it did help me with parallel

infections, specially for clearing brain and intestines. Possibly not

for lyme though.

Dont' buy Buhner's herbs with them (biopure), except for stephania

tincture (or the tinctures Buhner recommends). All other tinctures

using Buhner's herbs, I wouldn't recommend to buy either with them or

anyone else (Buhner is against them too). Not efficient enough.

Omega 3, only purified. 2-3 big gels a day, during all lyme

treatment, specially on metal detox. And /or flaxseed oil.

Magnesium, each person is different, so you'll have to find one that

fits.

Enzymes, I use the Rechtsregulat when in big trouble of herx (or

metals), but normally it's too expensive for my budget (I buy Vita

Biosa instead).

Milk thistle, standardized, all the time while on treatment. 3 x day

while on metal detox.

Electrolytes, I make my own with Himalayan salt. Good to take with

herbs or tinctures. A bit everyday.

Probiotics: I took lots of Proemsan in liquid form. Now I'm on dry

Detox, I vary: I'm now on zeolites, very good; I take minerals,

crushed flaxseed oil, propolis, honey, royal jelly (2x week),

sometimes chitosan, did manual lymph drainage, lots of green tea

(though I'm not sure this helps), eat basically only organic (when I

can afford), fibers and oils (seeds, usually), an apple a day,

enzymes always, chlorella always, CGF sometimes (due to low budget),

NDF-Plus (metals), did some Phospholipid Exchange, lots of bear

garlic tincture while on metal detox or funghi killing.... I guess

that these products are the ones that dr. K. recommends.

That's why I say that my protocol for lyme was basically Buhner's

herbs (for borelia and immunomodulation) and Dr. K's treatment (for

detox, metals included). ART did Buhner's herbs 'tuning' and found

out co-infections and parallel infections.

I also did homeopathics since start. But nothing to write about here,

as first I did classic homeopathy (for symptoms, immunomodulation)

then I shifted to ART homeopathy (balancing organs). It helps with

detox, as it helps liver, brain, lung, etc... But it's individually

tailored, so it's nonsense to write a list here.

I also added Farah's essential oils recipy in the middle of my

journey, to be rubbed on skin. It also helped immensely with

cleansing, specially on liver and scalp/ head. Her recipy is posted

here, somewhere and in lymenet. Not too expensive and lasts long

time. And it smells wonderful. Many people with MCS can't tolerate

strong smells of essential oils though.

Each body is also different. What's good for me, is not always good

for others.

General rule is always try to chose purest, wild crafted as possible,

or organic, with less additives if possible. And start slow, if not

muscle tested. Even detox agents can cause strong 'herx' like

reaction.

When chosing herbs that kill, try to chose one that doesn't kill good

intestinal bacteries. For example, it seems some oregano preparations

kills the good bacteries, I would keep this as a last choice only in

case nothing else works.

For coinfections, I would just try at first muscle test with someone

knowledgeable about lyme and co-infections. It was ART that showed

that I had babesia and bartonella. No blood test here in Europe

showed it before.

My daughter was bitten 3x last summer. ART showed immediately:

bartonella, ehrlichia, rikketsia and borrelia. And candida, after she

took abx. Without knowing which are your co-infections, it's like you

are shooting in darkness, takes longer to heal. Sometimes what causes

you a bad symptom has nothing to do with infections!!!

My daughter got better only when I discovered which were the critters

she was fighting. Amoxy wouldn't have hit ANY of the co-infections,

even in the acute phase (immediately after tick bite). It just gave

her candida, even borrelia was not killed.

There's a general rule " co-infections have to go first " . I would say,

the worst co-infections have to go first. Usually babesia has to go

first, it seems.

As for others, I can't say, as my bartonella showed only at last. A

muscle test that shows " priorities " would tell you what to do: like

first get the babesia strongly, while treating lyme low profile; then

treat metals, while treating lyme low profile; then treat GI

parasites, then head parasites, etc. Like peeling an onion.

In my case, bartonella is one of the last infections that showed up.

No one can possibly treat everything at once, I guess. Unless the

load of each pathogen and metal is low. Unless you only have borrelia

to treat!

I did a summary of my treatment in General session of lymenet.org,

and posted it in the thread Success Stories. You can read more there

too.

I was not a believer of muscle test before I caught lyme. Now I am. I

don't think it's " black and white " , 100% correct, but it's certainly

better than no-muscle test, in my experience.

If I didn't have lyme, I would never have tried it. But lyme is so

complicated that I don't see how to go faster without muscle tests

(or any thing that can " see " better than blood exams!!!). In my

opinon, it's a great short cut to treatment. But only 'yes/no' answer

is not enough. You got to find a test that shows priorities: what is

that that your body needs to treat NOW? Metals? Intestines? Jaw?

Emotions? etc...

But you need a good practioner to get good muscle tests... That's the

only 'problem'.

I have no experience with Cutler's protocol, so I can't help you. But

others here have, I'm sure they'll come with help, like Kendra.

Some don't believe in chlorella. Chlorella is the herb I took most

until now. In amount and frequency. I'm a big believer of chlorella,

as I can still clearly see how it saves me from metal intoxication

symptoms. Even today, again, it removed my light fatigue exactly

about 30 minutes after intake. I restarted doing metal detox again

today, and it always causes me fatigue (strong or light).

Removal of amalgams and root canals are a good starting point

according to dr. K. I'm not sure if there's a direct link between

lyme and that though, as I'm still doing metal detox and still

looking forward treating my jaw. But I start to believe on many dr.

K's assumptions as many seem to work well for me.

Did you put implants or partial proteses after teeth removal? Did you

check cavitations too? Which materials did you chose?

Another thing I would do is diet. No allergic stuff in my mouth until

I get better. I was not a believer about that, now I am (by

experience). I'm on a wheat-free diet, and also no milk derivates

except for butter. Muscle test seems to work well there too, to find

out bad food. Of course, no alcohol either. Diet helped me a lot with

energy.

Hope this helps, and good luck!

Selma

[Guest guest]

>

Hi Selma,

Is MFT the same as EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique?) It sounds like

it might be. I do EFT, which involves tapping biomeridian points and

repeating affirmations...as I am doing several mental/emotional

therapies, it's hard to say which one is the most powerful.

The two people I know who were cured with salt/C continue taking it, I

think, just at lower doses. One of them never did anything else; he

didn't eat right, didn't do adjuncts, and still he healed! So it can

work as a sole therapy for some.

Thanks for your thoughts-- Connie

> Thanks for remembering that side, Connie.

>

> Are you also using tapping through your ART practioner (MFT, mental

> field therapy)? I have been using it in the late stages of my

> treatment... It seems to work as a charm!!!

>

> Amazing you actually met someone cured by salt/C. Does it mean they

> had drop salt/C or continued with it forever?

>

> Selma

>

> >

> > I agree with Selma...that there are so many issues with Lyme that

> one

> > single protocol cannot address them all (for most people, anyway. I

> > concede there are exceptions as I have personally met a couple of

> > folks who healed on salt/C ALONE!) However, they may be the

> exception

> > and not the rule.

> >

> > In addition to dealing with the multiple infections, mercury and

> other

> > toxic substances in teh body, for me personally, dealing with the

> > emotional/spiritual component of healing has been just as, if not

> MORE

> > important than herbs, salt/C, Rifing, etc...

> >

> > Why? The subconscious plays a very powerful role in controlling the

> > immune system and hence cellular behavior. If a person (such as

> > myself) is overloaded with harmful and false beliefs as a result of

> > past experiences, these can become wired into the subconscious,

> which

> > in turn affects the autonomic nervous system, which then affects the

> > immune system and hence healing.

> >

> > Addressing these via therapies designed to bypass the conscious mind

> > and " re-wire " the subconscious (such as Immune Response Training and

> > binaural beat CD's) can have marked effects on healing.

> >

> > Thanks, Connie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

Hi Selma and Connie,

I wondered if the two were the same as well. I have recently started a

sort of DIY EFT [ie not been to a practitioner, but learned the parts

to tap through Dr Mercola]. I'm afraid I'm not very reliable about

remembering to do it!

Selma, I also forgot to answer your question re. artemisia: I am on

the whole herb by Nutri,

regards Carolyn

> Hi Selma,

>

> Is MFT the same as EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique?) It sounds like

> it might be. I do EFT, which involves tapping biomeridian points and

> repeating affirmations...as I am doing several mental/emotional

> therapies, it's hard to say which one is the most powerful.

>

> The two people I know who were cured with salt/C continue taking it, I

> think, just at lower doses. One of them never did anything else; he

> didn't eat right, didn't do adjuncts, and still he healed! So it can

> work as a sole therapy for some.

>

> Thanks for your thoughts-- Connie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma,

I'm really enjoying your posts with all the information you provide.

And congrats on your part-time job- editing a book, it sounds very

interesting!

In answer to your question-

> " How long have you been sick before the 30 day abx intake? So you

> probably didn't have co-infections?? "

I did diagnose myself with babesia, due to terrible night sweats, the

likes of which I had never had in my worst days of menopause -

drenched sheets, etc. Took artemisinin for 40 days per Buhner, and

used boneset tea. The tea only for 1 week or 2. And the sweats went away.

Let me see...I was diagnosed on May 1st, and started the 30 day abx

immediately.

Prior- I had had a pain in my left leg for about 3 weeks. I had

ignored, thinking it was a pulled muscle. No other symptoms. I

remember on the day I ended up in the emergency room, I had gone to a

flower show. A lot of walking! That night I had the most unbearable

cramp in my calf, the kind I occasionally get at night, it lasts about

1 minute or less. But this was did not go away. So went to emergency

room, they searched for blood clot, gave me pain medication

(ummm...nice). They had no clue about what caused the cramp.

Came home, went to own doctor, who diagnosed me with muscle damage. He

was surprised, he said that it would be very unusual to have so much

damage without having an any injury which caused it. He gave me

steroids (!) Obviously a no-no for Lyme.

In the midst of this, a friend suggested I get tested for Lyme. I

don't know what made her think of it, I certainly didn't, cuz the

symptom I had was a very rare manifestation of Lyme.

If you google " Lyme Myositis " , which is the diagnosis my doctor made,

you can find very little.

So I got tested, and I tested positive. Then started the abx. So I

guess I started abx about a month after the pain in my leg started.

Oh the other symptom I had was my leg swelled up like an elephant leg.

Man it was gross. I couldn't get a shoe on.

I used tumeric for that. Made a paste and put it on my leg for 1 hour

and the next day the swelling started going down.

The iGm, iGg, - the different antibodies on the test indicated that I

had a long-term infection. But previous to the leg pain I had not been

sick at all. Which seems strange to me, but this is a strange disease.

best,

ellen

[Guest guest]

Hi again, Ellen. You answered my questions about babesia protocol

here already!! Thanks! It's a bit hard to navigate on as

threads are confusing.

Do you feel you had neurolyme? By what you describe, it seems your

immune system was still good enough to keep lyme away from your

nervous system. Am I right?

I wonder if that's not a reason for you to reach high doses B's herbs

so well without collapsing and for the so fast so good results you

got? Just trying to understand the picture...

So you don't suffer from any temperature problem nor any air hunger

today? Like hot flashes, chills?

It's 'funny' how lyme can manifest itself in your case (muscle only),

and you were a VERY lucky girl to have a friend that suggested you to

test for lyme, before it did more damage!!!

Could you share your tumeric recipy? Many lyme sufferers suffer from

edema. I have still light edema in my hands that comes and goes too.

Maybe my toes also, but I can't say for sure...

I wonder if you didnt' have your whole house yellow after??

Spring is coming. There's so much to do in the garden!

Thanks a lot for the detailed info! Your story is inspiring.

Selma

[Guest guest]

Well, Selma, our posts crossed on the currents. lol.

I'll answer your questions:

re NeuroLyme- I never felt I had it, tho it's hard to know. I have all

the symptoms I've seen described - memory, cognitive, where did I

leave my head, depression, etc. - but I had it long before I had Lyme.

I think my symptoms are due to a combination of long-term severe

stress - which causes the hormone cortisol to be released, and this

hormone can cause many of these symptoms,

and

also due to all the mercury in my mouth.

Maybe the strength of my immune system was a factor in not getting

NeuroLyme, I never thot of that, it's a nice thot. I would sure hate

to add NeuroLyme to the symptoms I already have!

Re high dose of herbs and no herx - maybe because I didn't know

anything about herxing, and also because I had such complete faith in

Buhner, so I just assumed it would work.

No, no temperature problems. No air hunger. [i never had air hunger.]

Lol- yellow house - yes! All I did with the tumeric is mix the powder

with water till I had a good consistency. I thot it would be more

messy than it was. It made kind of a cast on my leg. Then I wrapped

the leg in cotton. I believe it is important that it is cotton. Sat

with it for an hour. The next day the swelling started shrinking and

kept shrinking. And I had had theswelling since the diagnosis for

about a month and the abx did not affect the swelling at all. I am

sold on tumeric.

BTW if anyone has an Indian store near them, it is probably cheaper to

buy it there in bulk, rather than in a supermarket.

Do you know you can also eat the tumeric root? It tastes kinda like

carrot.

Let me know if it works for your endema.

See you when you drop in, Selma.

best,

ellen

>

> Hi again, Ellen. You answered my questions about babesia protocol

> here already!! Thanks! It's a bit hard to navigate on as

> threads are confusing.

> Do you feel you had neuroly

> me? By what you describe, it seems your

> immune system was still good enough to keep lyme away from your

> nervous system. Am I right?

>

> I wonder if that's not a reason for you to reach high doses B's herbs

> so well without collapsing and for the so fast so good results you

> got? Just trying to understand the picture...

>

> So you don't suffer from any temperature problem nor any air hunger

> today? Like hot flashes, chills?

>

> It's 'funny' how lyme can manifest itself in your case (muscle only),

> and you were a VERY lucky girl to have a friend that suggested you to

> test for lyme, before it did more damage!!!

>

> Could you share your tumeric recipy? Many lyme sufferers suffer from

> edema. I have still light edema in my hands that comes and goes too.

> Maybe my toes also, but I can't say for sure...

>

> I wonder if you didnt' have your whole house yellow after??

>

> Spring is coming. There's so much to do in the garden!

>

> Thanks a lot for the detailed info! Your story is inspiring.

>

> Selma

>