Re: Re: Magnesium, Calcium, Vitamin D

December 26, 2006

Connie,

Thanks for the additional thoughts on calcium. I hadn't thought of that

excretion/diarrhea thing. Makes sense (at least in the non-Lyme world! :-) I

*was*

having some diarrhea, so maybe I did take too much mag. And maybe I did/do

have a virus (there supposedly is something going around).

The ratio of calcium to mag you mentioned is similar to what I was told. I'll

keep magnesium taurate in mind - thanks! I tried that magnesium in

Burrascano's guidelines (MagTab-SR). It didn't touch my muscle tension and it

was chalky

and hard to swallow. My llmd suggested eating it with a Hershey's Kiss (but I

had already finished the bottle and, since it hadn't helped, I didn't order

any more).

Btw, I called my pcp's office yesterday and they told me to come in for an

EKG. My doc was on vacation and I got some jerk who I think had me dismissed

before he walked in the room. The first thing he said was " So, you're the Lyme

personâ€¦ " . He told me my EKG was okay; he never examined me despite the chest

congestion (maybe he was afraid he'd catch Lyme?!); wouldn't look at my recent

labs (told me to talk to my doc next time); wouldn't answer my questions (about

magnesium, etc., etc.); told me I was " very healthy " (it's a miracle! :-/) and

that I should get more exercise.

What is up with these pseudo-docs and Lyme?! I'm not surprised, just

totally disgusted right now with the ignorance and insensitivity out there. It's

like most of the so-called docs have been taken into some government lab and

been

brainwashed and reprogrammed with an idiot module. (I could go on with this

ventâ€¦)

The only possible useful piece of info I got from that guy (if you can trust

anything someone like that says) was that if a person has AV block, the

symptoms would be happening all the time, not intermittently.

Thanks again, Connie, for all your helpful insights!

Ann

In a message dated 12/27/06 12:12:06 AM, conniekillbug@... writes:

> Hi Ann,

>

> You are welcome!

> I think you have to go with your gut on some things, but as far as

> magnesium, I don't think you can get too much. You will get diahhrea

> if you do. Your body will excrete the excess. Most Lymies have a

> deficiency so I wouldnt worry about getting too much of this. That

> said, you might be a rare bird who doesnt need so much...you may just

> have to experiment a bit with it and go with how you feel.

> Palpitations CAN come from a mineral imbalance, however. Potassium and

> calcium are needed for the heart also and often potassium deficiency

> causes skips and such.

> Cream of tartar, avocados and seaweed are three great sources of

> potassium. (they all have more than a banana). Also molasses has a ton

> of it (640 mg per tbsp) but it also has lots of sugar.

> As for ratios on cal/mag, I've heard 2:1 with Calcium being the 2.

> Mag. taurate is used by many on the Lyme Strategies group for its high

> bioavailability.

> Hope this helps Good look sorting it out. It's such a puzzle!

> Take care, Connie

>

> > Hi Margo and Connie,

> >

> > Thanks so much for posting about magnesium!

> >

> > I have been taking extra magnesium lately, on the advice of a doc

> who told me

> > to take as much as I need for my muscle tension. I haven't felt

> comfortable

> > with the amount I've been taking, but I wanted to feel better (all

> the muscle

> > tension), so just continued doing this.

> >

> > It occurred to me after reading your posts that *maybe* the extra

> magnesium

> > has been adding to my increased heart symptoms, and that I was

> putting someone

> > else's advice (a doctor's) over my own feelings.

> >

> > And your posts also reminded me that it's often better to do things in

> > moderation, to be on the safe side.

> >

> > I went back into my notes from a former doc and found this:

> >

> > Vitamin D helps Calcium absorb (also good for SADD, colon cancer

> prevention).

> >

> > Suggests 800-1000iu VitD daily.

> >

> > Suggests up to 1000mg Magnesium daily.

> > Suggests 1000-1200 mg Calcium daily.

> >

> > Ratio of Magnesium to Calcium should be 1:1 or 1:2 (start with 1:1).

> > Calc. carbonate less absorbable than citrate or malate (but more

> necc?, for

> > some reason/s)

> >

> > Just because I got this from a doc doesn't mean it's all correct, or

> right

> > for me (or you), but I'm posting it in case it's helpful to anyone.

> >

> > Ann

>

December 26, 2006

Hi ,

Thanks for the input!

I've heard calcium can block iron absorption, but hadn't heard anything about

it blocking magnesium. Are you sure you're not thinking of iron?

I question this because the bone health formulas mix calcium and magnesium.

They usually also have Vitamin D (which helps calcium absorb), so if there's an

issue with calcium and mag, maybe the D resolves it somehow (?).

I have some really good docs (including my llmd/lyme specialist), so I'll ask

them all this question next time I see them. My pcp is on vacation this week

(so that's why I got the idiot yesterday) though I haven't seen her enough

times to really decide yet how she is on Lyme.

It's just such a garbage experience when you get one like I got yesterday. I

try to have compassion for all people/beings, and I tried after that

appointment in regards to that doc, but I just didn't get there.

Ann

In a message dated 12/27/06 7:14:47 AM, ponyrubs@... writes:

> Hi, Ann,

>

> Just want to say that if you are magnesium deficient, it takes a while -

> weeks to months - to build levels back up orally. So don't assume a supplement

> isn't working just because you don't get quick results. 800 to 100 is what I

> try to take - don't always manage to fit it into my day.

>

> Also calcium blocks the absorption of magnesium, so don't take them at the

> same time of day - one am and the other pm.

>

> I recently changed PCPs, and now go to someone who is at least

> Lyme-friendly, if not Lyme literate. They are out there.

>

> D.

>

December 27, 2006

Hi, Ann,

Just want to say that if you are magnesium deficient, it takes a while - weeks

to months - to build levels back up orally. So don't assume a supplement isn't

working just because you don't get quick results. 800 to 100 is what I try to

take - don't always manage to fit it into my day.

Also calcium blocks the absorption of magnesium, so don't take them at the same

time of day - one am and the other pm.

I recently changed PCPs, and now go to someone who is at least Lyme-friendly, if

not Lyme literate. They are out there.

D.

Grpinfo@... wrote: Connie,

Thanks for the additional thoughts on calcium. I hadn't thought of that

excretion/diarrhea thing. Makes sense (at least in the non-Lyme world! :-) I

*was*

having some diarrhea, so maybe I did take too much mag. And maybe I did/do

have a virus (there supposedly is something going around).

The ratio of calcium to mag you mentioned is similar to what I was told. I'll

keep magnesium taurate in mind - thanks! I tried that magnesium in

Burrascano's guidelines (MagTab-SR). It didn't touch my muscle tension and it

was chalky

and hard to swallow. My llmd suggested eating it with a Hershey's Kiss (but I

had already finished the bottle and, since it hadn't helped, I didn't order

any more).

Btw, I called my pcp's office yesterday and they told me to come in for an

EKG. My doc was on vacation and I got some jerk who I think had me dismissed

before he walked in the room. The first thing he said was " So, you're the Lyme

personâ€¦ " . He told me my EKG was okay; he never examined me despite the chest

congestion (maybe he was afraid he'd catch Lyme?!); wouldn't look at my recent

labs (told me to talk to my doc next time); wouldn't answer my questions (about

magnesium, etc., etc.); told me I was " very healthy " (it's a miracle! :-/) and

that I should get more exercise.

What is up with these pseudo-docs and Lyme?! I'm not surprised, just

totally disgusted right now with the ignorance and insensitivity out there.

It's

like most of the so-called docs have been taken into some government lab and

been

brainwashed and reprogrammed with an idiot module. (I could go on with this

ventâ€¦)

The only possible useful piece of info I got from that guy (if you can trust

anything someone like that says) was that if a person has AV block, the

symptoms would be happening all the time, not intermittently.

Thanks again, Connie, for all your helpful insights!

Ann

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December 27, 2006

In a message dated 12/27/06 7:08:38 PM, conniekillbug@... writes:

> Have you ever checked out the Lyme Strategies group? It's another Lyme

> group based on salt/C protocol and some of the members have had

> interesting suggestions for chest congestion--like making a salt bong

> and Vick's vapor rub.

>

LOL!!!!!!!! Like wow, man, this is like the old days :-)

Who knew Lyme could be so much fun! I get the munchies just thinking about

snorting salt and vick's! Too bad I threw out my blacklight and posters years

ago (a LOT of years ago!).

Okay, more seriously, yeah, I think I checked out every list. I'm on the

setting where you do archives only for Lymestrategies and surfed through it some

time ago.

Just don't feel I could keep up with any more email than I get from this

list.

Thanks again for the comforting thoughts on the heart stuff. And the

electrolytes suggestion. I've been imbibing in a bottle of it since yesterday (I

thought about putting it in a champagne glass, but I was content to be amused by

the thought :-).

Ann

December 27, 2006

Hi, Ann,

Yes, magnesium and calcium are absorbed via the same ion channels, and the body

absorbs calcium preferentially to magnesium. So if you take them at the same

time, the ion channels will be blocked with calcium, and the magnesium will end

up in the loo.

If you are taking chelated forms, I think they are absorbed via active

transport, so there should not be a problem. Most standard mixes have both

chelated and elemental. Kiss the elemental magnesium goodbye.

And yes, they are often mixed for convenience. This is a result of marketing

rather than a reflection of what works. I read one study that estimated over

95% of Americans are magnesium deficient. Calcium supplementation was cited as

a contributing factor.

Since you mentioned iron, I hope everyone is very careful about

supplementing iron. Many people, and many doctors, supplement when hemoglobin

or hematocrit is low. This does not mean you are iron deficient. You really

should get a serum ferritin before supplementing iron. Too much is very bad for

you - it is one hell of an oxidant.

D.

Grpinfo@... wrote: Hi ,