Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I'd like to know too, although I made the decision to go ahead and take the core protocol along with my abx, and that's what I'm doing. > > hi > > does anyopne know if it is a problem taking antibiotics with buhner's 3 > core herbs. > > thanks > > jaco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Hi all, I asked Buhner about taking the core protocol along with abx in an interview last fall. He said as far as he knew, there was no conflict. He said it was fine to do both at once. Suzanne On 5/11/07, opieanddelilah <patti.sano@...> wrote: > > I'd like to know too, although I made the decision to go ahead and take > the core protocol along with my abx, and that's what I'm doing. > > > > > > hi > > > > does anyopne know if it is a problem taking antibiotics with buhner's > 3 > > core herbs. > > > > thanks > > > > jaco > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 MOST abx should NOT be a problem. BUT it MIGHT be best to check with a GOOD LLMD or with Buhner himself IF you are taking a newer exotic abx. Jim. ### russellhuxtable <russel.huxtable@...> wrote: hi does anyopne know if it is a problem taking antibiotics with buhner's 3 core herbs. thanks jaco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 WHAT abx are YOU taking? Jim ### opieanddelilah <patti.sano@...> wrote: I'd like to know too, although I made the decision to go ahead and take the core protocol along with my abx, and that's what I'm doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Hi, Jaco, I had problems with elevated liver enzymes when I tried to combine the CP herbs with antibiotics. I read at the time that Dr. Burrascano said this was a common issue, even with people taking only cat's claw (and antibiotics). So, if you do combine them, it would be a good idea to have regular blood work to monitor your liver, and perhaps to take additional herbs for liver support (milk thistle, red root). Take care, D. " russellhuxtable " <russel.huxtable@...> wrote: > > hi > > does anyopne know if it is a problem taking antibiotics with buhner's 3 > core herbs. > > thanks > > jaco > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 hello jaco, my llmd no longer uses cat's claw with abx for lyme due to high incidence of elevated liver. it's the cat's claw specifically. however, i'd agree with nancy that it's a good idea to do liver test regulary (every couple months? depening on results) when taking both abx and herbs, and of course if you are doing iv abx, it should be standard protocol for doc to test liver every couple weeks. i also strongly agree with taking milk thisle and red root to support liver and lymph (unless the abx contraindicates, like mepron). if you abx include rocephin, then also consider adding artichoke extract to support the gallbladder. i hope you realize that any response depends on which abx you are using. for instance, mepron and zithromax cannot be used with certain herbs and supplements (search our archives for my post from oct 2006 on sources for these interactions): with mepron, do not take Q10 or milk thistle with zith, do not take cat's claw or diflucan in general, i try to use this site as a starting point for checking interactions of meds with meds as well as foods, common herbs, www.drugdigest.org blessings on your journey, kendra -----Original Message----- Hi, Jaco, I had problems with elevated liver enzymes when I tried to combine the CP herbs with antibiotics. I read at the time that Dr. Burrascano said this was a common issue, even with people taking only cat's claw (and antibiotics). So, if you do combine them, it would be a good idea to have regular blood work to monitor your liver, and perhaps to take additional herbs for liver support (milk thistle, red root). Take care, D. " russellhuxtable " <russel.huxtable@...> wrote: > hi > does anyopne know if it is a problem taking antibiotics with buhner's 3 > core herbs. > thanks > jaco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 HI Thanks D and Kendra I'm on 300mg Doxycycline. Presumably Buhner did not know about the liver problem with cats claw and abx? I'm considering the herbal path as although abx got me from 40-65% the last 6 mths (time i've been taking abx)i've stayed the same. May be i'll just take the andrographis and knotweed to begin with. Finally is it ok to take cat's claw but at the lowest dose 500mg a day (just one tablet)?. jaco [ ] Re: abx and herbs hello jaco, my llmd no longer uses cat's claw with abx for lyme due to high incidence of elevated liver. it's the cat's claw specifically. however, i'd agree with nancy that it's a good idea to do liver test regulary (every couple months? depening on results) when taking both abx and herbs, and of course if you are doing iv abx, it should be standard protocol for doc to test liver every couple weeks. i also strongly agree with taking milk thisle and red root to support liver and lymph (unless the abx contraindicates, like mepron). if you abx include rocephin, then also consider adding artichoke extract to support the gallbladder. i hope you realize that any response depends on which abx you are using. for instance, mepron and zithromax cannot be used with certain herbs and supplements (search our archives for my post from oct 2006 on sources for these interactions): with mepron, do not take Q10 or milk thistle with zith, do not take cat's claw or diflucan in general, i try to use this site as a starting point for checking interactions of meds with meds as well as foods, common herbs, www.drugdigest.org blessings on your journey, kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Hi Kendra, I'm new here. thanks very much for the info on herb/drug interactions. Its very pertinent for me as I'm taking zithromax along with the Buhner core (plus sarsaparilla). Do you possibly remember where you read that zithromax/ cat's claw shoudln't be taken together? I looked back through your post from Oct 2006 and you posted a link for the mepron, but not the zithromax. Also I tried testing their interaction on drugdigest.com and it didn't come back with anything. Many thanks, . > > hello jaco, > my llmd no longer uses cat's claw with abx for lyme due to high incidence of > elevated liver. it's the cat's claw specifically. however, i'd agree with > nancy that it's a good idea to do liver test regulary (every couple months? > depening on results) when taking both abx and herbs, and of course if you > are doing iv abx, it should be standard protocol for doc to test liver every > couple weeks. > > i also strongly agree with taking milk thisle and red root to support liver > and lymph (unless the abx contraindicates, like mepron). if you abx include > rocephin, then also consider adding artichoke extract to support the > gallbladder. > > i hope you realize that any response depends on which abx you are using. for > instance, mepron and zithromax cannot be used with certain herbs and > supplements (search our archives for my post from oct 2006 on sources for > these interactions): > with mepron, do not take Q10 or milk thistle > with zith, do not take cat's claw or diflucan > > in general, i try to use this site as a starting point for checking > interactions of meds with meds as well as foods, common herbs, > www.drugdigest.org > > blessings on your journey, > kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 jaco asked: is it ok to take cat's claw but at the lowest dose 500mg a day (just one tablet)? hello jaco, everyone has to decide what's best for their unique situation. if you weigh the potential risks and benefits, you might feel it's okay. for me, i'd not take cat's while taking antibiotics. if i did take cat's, i'd be sure to get my liver tested before and at regualr intervals, and i'd also be taking milk thistle, artichoke extract, red root for detox support. this info about liver and cat's claw interaction with abx has just become clear in the last year for my llmd and burascanno, so buhner was not aware of it. (my llmd used to recommend cat's along with abx for lyme. but she noticed that almost half her patients were getting very elevated liver enzymes. she consulted with burrascanno, and he was noticing the same thing. so she totally stopped using cat's with abx, and now burranscanno has caution in his guidelines too.) best wishes navigating your way thru the ever-changing waters of lyme :-) kendra -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of russel.huxtable HI Thanks D and Kendra I'm on 300mg Doxycycline. Presumably Buhner did not know about the liver problem with cats claw and abx? I'm considering the herbal path as although abx got me from 40-65% the last 6 mths (time i've been taking abx)i've stayed the same. May be i'll just take the andrographis and knotweed to begin with. Finally is it ok to take cat's claw but at the lowest dose 500mg a day (just one tablet)?. jaco [ ] Re: abx and herbs hello jaco, my llmd no longer uses cat's claw with abx for lyme due to high incidence of elevated liver. it's the cat's claw specifically. however, i'd agree with nancy that it's a good idea to do liver test regulary (every couple months? depening on results) when taking both abx and herbs, and of course if you are doing iv abx, it should be standard protocol for doc to test liver every couple weeks. i also strongly agree with taking milk thisle and red root to support liver and lymph (unless the abx contraindicates, like mepron). if you abx include rocephin, then also consider adding artichoke extract to support the gallbladder. i hope you realize that any response depends on which abx you are using. for instance, mepron and zithromax cannot be used with certain herbs and supplements (search our archives for my post from oct 2006 on sources for these interactions): with mepron, do not take Q10 or milk thistle with zith, do not take cat's claw or diflucan in general, i try to use this site as a starting point for checking interactions of meds with meds as well as foods, common herbs, www.drugdigest.org blessings on your journey, kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 HI KENDRA THANKS - Interesting I looked up Doxycycline on the drugs.com site and it said should not be taken with fish oil supplements which i have been doing. So i'll stop now, burrascano said fish oil was essential. if anyone knows differenty please advise! jaco RE: [ ] abx and herbs jaco asked: is it ok to take cat's claw but at the lowest dose 500mg a day (just one tablet)? hello jaco, everyone has to decide what's best for their unique situation. if you weigh the potential risks and benefits, you might feel it's okay. for me, i'd not take cat's while taking antibiotics. if i did take cat's, i'd be sure to get my liver tested before and at regualr intervals, and i'd also be taking milk thistle, artichoke extract, red root for detox support. this info about liver and cat's claw interaction with abx has just become clear in the last year for my llmd and burascanno, so buhner was not aware of it. (my llmd used to recommend cat's along with abx for lyme. but she noticed that almost half her patients were getting very elevated liver enzymes. she consulted with burrascanno, and he was noticing the same thing. so she totally stopped using cat's with abx, and now burranscanno has caution in his guidelines too.) best wishes navigating your way thru the ever-changing waters of lyme :-) kendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Did it say why? A russel.huxtable wrote: > > HI KENDRA > > THANKS - Interesting I looked up Doxycycline on the drugs.com site and > it said should not be taken with fish oil supplements which i have > been doing. So i'll stop now, burrascano said fish oil was essential. > if anyone knows differenty please advise! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 The 500mg a day, is a good start for a week or so, then up it, little by little. Do NOT forget to take Sarsaparilla, Red Root tincture, and Milk THistle. I take all of these and still had some lymph pain today. But then I had been having a bad four days after taking some Levitra. I finally got my vision back really good today, actually yesterday, May 14th. Jim ### " russel.huxtable " <russel.huxtable@...> wrote: HI Thanks D and Kendra I'm on 300mg Doxycycline. Presumably Buhner did not know about the liver problem with cats claw and abx? I'm considering the herbal path as although abx got me from 40-65% the last 6 mths (time i've been taking abx)i've stayed the same. May be i'll just take the andrographis and knotweed to begin with. Finally is it ok to take cat's claw but at the lowest dose 500mg a day (just one tablet)?. jaco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 My wife is allergic to fish oil. It is deadly for her to take in any form. I do know there is a lot of mercury in fish, so I would be very careful of taking in much of it in any form. I dislike fish so never eat it. Jim. ### girl mark <girlmark_list_email@...> wrote: Did it say why? A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 HI MARIA A Just have a look gives a list of potential effects, regards it as a major interaction - although i'm unsure because there are different types of fish oil jaco Re: [ ] abx and herbs Did it say why? A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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