Re: cleansing question & vit C

October 29, 2006

Hi Heidi,

For salt/c information I would go directly to the salt/c site as this

site is geared mostly toward Buhner's herb therapy. That site is:

www.lymestrategies.com

I do not think that you need whole food C and that a cheaper brand

would work fine (most of us take the less expensive brands). I just

buy the NOW brand or Ascorbic Acid powder. If you haven't opened the

bottle you bought you can probably return it.

The salt and c has a synergistic effect so you would want to take

them together. I don't know if you have started yet, but if not, you

would want to start slow and ramp up SLOWLY. So start with 1/4 tsp.

salt and 1/4 tsp. C in a little H2O. You can then drink more water

afterwards. There is more detailed information on the exact protocol

on the Lyme site I mentioned above.

All the best Heidi!

Ballady

-- In , " bunnibaby29 " <bunnibaby29@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, SO I'm on buhner's andrographis, sarsparilla, siberian ginseng,

> and doing the lowest dosage of salt-C.I'm planning on adding

> resveratrol as well. and Theralac to help w/ yeast problem. been

> herxing a great deal-depression worse and very sick. went to organic

> food store/herb store looking for buffered vit C 1000mg and a body

> detox and cleanse for parasite and metals. Ladies there advised

> against metal and parasite cleanses saying they would put me in a

> state I would not want to be in b/c I'm too sick w/ Lymes and my

> immune system isn't up to it. That I should try building my immune

> system first. So I said, okay. When I asked about vit C they told me I

> needed a whole food vit C as opposed to normal, much cheaper vit C

> saying regular vit C only absorbs 30% whereas whole food C absorbs

> 100%. On the whole food vit C bottle under daily value percentage for

> C it reads 417% b/c it's 250 mg per pill. A thirty day supply costs

> over $30.00. Regular vit C says daily value % is 1,667%. I know that

> with salt C i gradually work up to a much larger dosage of salt/C. It

> seems that this whole food C would end up costng way more than i can

> afford. I plan to check out cheaper kinds over internet of whole food

> C, but i'm wondering if it's even worth the trouble and if regular,

> cheaper vit C is just fine. I just feel like I was ripped off. If

> anyone knows if whole food vit C really makes that much of a

> difference let me know.

> I was also talked into purchasing something called Cell Power which is

> enzymes/ cellular cleaners. They said that would help cleanse me of

> die off. Anyone heard of this? I also purchased some stuff called

> Mycomend which is tonic mushrooms and I was told another girl w/ Lymes

> was getting better from it. Supposedly they did a study for Lymes

> patients w/ Mycomend in Asheville, NC and had very positive results w/

> it. Okay, so I don't feel like doing a bunch of research on all this

> crap b/c I am feeling very sick lately and my focus is at a low. It

> would help if anyone of you have heard about any of this stuff as well

> as something called Virastop which I did not purchase and you could

> please just let me know. I know I seem like a fool trusting people

> whose expertise or lack there of is unknown to me. I was just getting

> impatient and didn't want to order stuff and have to wait. I'll be

> more cautious next time.

> So are parasite and metal detox really going to make me worse b/c I

> think they would make me feel better? From what I've read in other

> e-mails it has made people feel better. Someone please tell me their

> experience and I'll decide for myself.

> One last thing, Salt/C- do I take them together or one hour apart from

> eachother?

> If you're kind enough to respond please tell me direct experiences or

> specific old e-mail post numbers. i just feel too bad, lately, too

> have to sit through and look through a bunch of posts to find the

> right one. It took me about two weeks until I finally felt like I

> could wrte all this out. i understand that alot of you are sick too.

> I'm open to any response about any of these things. Please take care

> and Thank you. -heidi

>

October 29, 2006

Hi Heidi - I don't know about all the stuff you asked, but I do know

you got good advice about not doing the parasite & metal cleanses when

you're so sick - they will make you feel much worse before you feel

better & the detox is very hard on you. I know this from becoming

extremely ill myself from doing a strong parasite cleanse. You just

can't do all of this at once. It takes time to get well & clean things

up after being ill. I am still working on the parasites slowly at a

rate i can tolerate after several years now & am much better as far as

they go.

Good luck. Sheila

October 30, 2006

Hi Heidi,

I'm not too expert on things but one thing I know is that too many

killings can't do good for anyone. You'll have a lot of toxins being

released even with little killings. Toxins can be either from die off

and probably also from metals being liberated everytime something

dies (specially mold/yeast).

Metals in the blood cause the worst symptoms you can imagine, from

heart symptoms, lung, kidney, intestines, liver/gall bladder, head...

I had all these organs affected while on metal detox. The liver was

the first to suffer.

I would just start with chlorella, take off amalgams first with right

protection. Chlorella cleanses the gastro-intestinal tract metals

plus the blood, but not intracellular metals. It's already a big

relief to take only chlorella for the first weeks/ months of

cleansing without mobilizing metals intracellular for me.

Metal cleansing intracellular is dangerous, I would only do that very

carefully and best with proper guidance, not alone, as the specialist

should help you in case you get in trouble. I mean, you can get in

REAL trouble, believe me.

Same as with lots of killings. You can also get in real trouble if

you kill too much and don't concentrate on cleansing. Are you taking

milk thistle?

Buhner thinks chlorella is great, he wrote me an email not too long

ago saying it was a very good idea to take it. Just go for the

cleanest stuff, organic, start slow, because some people can't digest

it well or react strongly to it.

I don't know how you react to salt, for me, its herxes were too much

to stand for longer periods. In the end, I also got high blood

pressure, then was forced to stop it. I didn't do much to tell

though.

I didn't regret to have stopped it as I found that Buhner's herbs

helped a lot on killing without too bad effects like salt caused me

(high blood pressure, tinnitus, ear pain, anxiety, jitterness, in my

case).

Theralac is great. You could also buy other brands to take parallel

to vary bacteries and keep cost a bit lower.

Vitamin C questions, you can do at the salt/C forum. Many different

positions, advice on that. My bowel tolerance is very low, so I don't

take more than 1,000mg a day ever. At this amount, it doesn't help

much, but that's what I can stand.

Enzymes are also great idea. I never stay without them. I don't see

the immediate result (cause-effect), but it did help with digestion

when I had troubles there. I dont' know the brand you cite though,

I'm on Vitabiosa now and was on Rechtsregulat before.

I know that Omega 3, clean stuff, also is said to help on blood

thinning and many symptoms. I don't see the cause-effect on that

supplement either, but my naturopath swears it helps with toxins and

many symptoms.

Many people take mushrooms to boost immune system (lymees). I think

in lymenet.org you'll find quite a few people to ask about that. I

took something (sort of mix of mushrooms) for a very short time, so

can't tell if it helped.

As for parasite cleanse, I only felt better after the two times I did

it. The first time (April), I was in bad condition and improved. The

second time (August/September), I was in 'good' condition and

improved too. But I used soft methods (KMT current and frozen

garlic). I got terribly tired everytime I did that though. Second

time I did, I had a lot of sweating at night, supposedly toxins being

liberated.

I don't know for the ones having done more drastic parasitic cleanse

though... Hope someone will answer you.

Hope you'll find more help for your other questions.

Lymenet.org is also a great place to visit because there are more

people there than here, even though many are on antibiotics only.

Hope you'll feel better soon.

Dont' take my advice as medical, I'm just another sufferer like you.

Selma

October 30, 2006

Heidi,

I replied to this yesterday but I see it somehow did not manifest. I

will try again and hope the first message doesn't suddenly appear as well.

If you are interested in the salt/c protocol it would probably be best

to visit the salt/c site as this one is primarily geared to discuss

Buhner's herb therapy. Here is that site:

www.lymestrategies.com

As far as your Vitamin C question, I don't really think you need a

whole food type brand, especially since it is so expensive. I take NOW

brand ascorbic acid powder. If you haven't yet opened the bottle

surely you can return it. My health food store will let me return

vitamins, even after opened, if I develop some problem after taking it.

You take the salt and C together because they have a synergestic

effect on one another, but I would start Very slow, especially since

you are so sick right now. Sometimes taking too many thing can

compound the problem. For sure with salt/c you need to start at a very

low dose and ramp up slowly.

All the best,