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In a message dated 10/8/99 11:24:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cyntha@...

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<< I'm sorry to say this Barnadette...but that stinks.....I and my husband

have

a right to make that decision. I have done much studying into the blood

transfusion thing for infants. >>

if the parents were not available and the count was way critical it was

done...the Drs. felt if it was their child risking death ..there was no

option of waiting..it would not be an option...

remember...

I am NOT talking a simple anemia in a preemie...those we were always able to

wait a day till the parents were found, sometimes borderlines were able to

wait 2-3 days...and yes some little ones got to wait a week to see if the

supplemental vitamins were helping...

I can't tell you how many attempts to find parents we made before they went

for that administrative conssent..calling home, work, grandmothers,

cousins...It was routine that we even sent police to the home to leave a

message to call the hospital...

our " universal consent " did not cover invasive procedures like spinal

taps...cutdown iv's, transfusions of blood and/or plasma...even

hyperalimentation ivs got seperate consents...

the only thing we could do was all resp related type procedures..lab

work...iv's oral and ng feeding and intubation and oxygen...even transport

to our NICU had a seperate consent....and if a child was found to have a

heart defect and needed to go to a kids cardiac unit 10 miles away, parents

were awoken, and we took verbal consents till they got there to sign....

it may not make you feel better about what happened to your child, but just

wanted to let you know...those things do not happen here in N.J. like it

happened to you...and I am even talking back to 1979 when I first started

working neonatal...

The parents I worked with over the years for the most part knew every cc

their kids were feeding...every B.M., viewed ultrasounds with the Dr., and

were kept informed of any critical change...every pertinent lab work......

I am sorry you had to go thru what you did. The way you were treated is

awful. Bernadette

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In a message dated 10/8/99 4:03:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lovey38@...

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<< I was told I could have a copy of my Home Health Care reports but it

would cost me over $200 for them to make copies. >>

the only thing I wanted from my home health care company was copies of all

lab work, as the rest was nothing I didn't know...and the company graciously

sent me all labs for me and my husband..I did do it while still under

treatment. It always seems easier to request at the time of services, rather

than backtracking...and they did not charge me a penny...not even for

postage...:) Bernadette

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It funny how we all have become such experts in this disease, but it is also

sad. I used to work at a Medical lab and always found it alarming that I

knew more at age 18 from working at the lab, then some of the people from

doctor's office did calling to get results. Especially some of the doctors!

I remember one asking me to spell " RBC " (Red Blood Count), true story, no

kidding. Then last week I was talking to the nurse in my doctor's office and

she was trying to read me my tests results, and I was asking specific

questions, just results really, and she said " gee, you know so much more

about the tests needed and the results for this disease " . I appreciated her

honesty and told her, I should , I have the disease I know what it does.

But it didn't make me feel to comfortable or confident with my LLMD's

knowledge of Lyme. Actually, I love my LLMD, but I don't think he is a true

LLMD, he is general practice, but specializes in Fibromyalgia. But when I

first went to him to see if I had Fibro, he was the one that said no, but

you sure have classic symptoms of Lyme. From that day forward I trusted him,

and he was right about the Lyme. I've found since then he is a great

diagnostician, but sometimes wish he was more into research (can't blame him

he has a family to feed). He is compassionate, and caring, and will just

about try anything I ask, except for Flagyl and the IM anbx, bacteria? or

bia??something, or Rocephin.

Anyway, I digress............so much, sorry. Just found it an interesting

topic. I guess as long as your treating doctor is willing to learn,that is

an extra, mine seems willing, but sometimes I feel like I'm stepping on his

pride when I suggest something he hasn't first ( , kind of like, I

think it was you who said you bring your husband partly so the doctor will

listen... something to that effect, I relate). So now I've learned to

suggest it differently. Kind of like with our husbands, suggest it, and make

them think they came up with it. Men and their egos! (Sorry guys, no hate

" male " , I'm only speaking generally, I know there are quite a few

exceptions, like my husband and so many men I've encountered here on the

list). I should stay away from posting at night when my mind is allowed to

jump all over the place. Actually, at least its (my mind) trying to work.

Everyone hang in there!

Vicki

Happy Halloween (just wore me out with my grandchildren)!

Re: [Lyme-aid] What's the law?

>From: Memyo@...

>

>Well actually, when it comes to lyme, we read the results better than most

>doctors.

>Lea

>

><< Margie, Where we like it or not. That is the law. The doctor ordered the

>test

> and therefore the results must go to him to be reviewed. The law assumes

> people are not smart enough to interpret laboratory teat results. Many

>people

> are not. Lymies are smarter than the average person because we have had to

> be. It is unfortunate that many of us have more knowledge that the people

>who

> have ordered the test. Carol A Labatorian in MI >>

>

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Dear Vicki & All,

As I read your post as to what you doctor will not

try i.e. Rocephin, struck me, what if it's the one abx

that will help you beyond belief as it dif for me? I

cannot take doxy or any other tetracycline, just one

pill and I am about to die from the vaginal problems,

no kidding. If I were to take and take massive amounts

of Diflucan and acidophilus, still I would be in terrible

misery, so no way I can take it.

The Mepron had a drastic effect on my dental health

and I had a mouthful of bacteria and the teeth on left

side in particular all had to be capped with bridgework.

After beginning on the Rocephin IV, the difference in

my gums between May and June was such that my

dentist commented on the drastic improvement to

pink healthy gums. So, apparently Mepron is not one

of the abx I can take either.

Clafron injections made me behave and feel like I was

in an emotional Twilight Zone, and I believe my

immune system reacted negatively. I had to take

gamma globulin shots on a weekly basis. I would be

a looney tune, so to speak on the Clafron, get the

gamma shot, and within 24 hours be myself, but the

benefit only lasted abour 48 hours. I don't believe

I will be taking Clafron again.

So, that's 3 of the handful of antibiotics I cannot take

for Lyme, leaving me limited to the ones I've been

able to tolerate and to get better on. I truly do understand

the risks of long term Rocephin, and because I could

not get blood work done at proper time, I stopped the

Rocephin IM injections until the results of tests are

know to my Lyme doctor and myself. They don't

seem to help nearly as much as the Rocephin unfusions

but because I was such a basket cast after being off the

Rocephin Infusions for a while, the doctor lets me have

the Rcephin IM but watches me very closely.

I am wondering how others with Lyme have managed to

stay on abx for long periods of time? If not the insurance

companies, the the pharmacist, tend to want to report

physician's for writing them for long term us of abxx?

I believe we may be fast approaching the point wheree I

will be unable to receive the Rosephin too, because of

these kind of difficulties.

I do get so very " ticked " when I realize that I may no

longer be able to take the Rocephin even in IM form

for injections! When I saw my doctor some weeks

after being off the Rocephin I was in tears with the

pain just pulling on my elastizied waist pants to get

ready to go to see the doctor. My hair was filty

from seating and all I could do was brush it down

the best I culd and I've had better periods of pesonal

hygiene. I was a wreck. I am assuming that I was in

such a state because of continue die off and the toxins

as I had been better even off the infusions for a while,

which game me some hope that the sympstoms would

not return, but they did and still are returning. It almost

seems as if a second wave of die off occurred after I was

off the infusions and just taking the oral Zithromax, which

may be exactly what happened. All I know is that without

the Rocephin injections, one every 12 hours, it wold have

been extremely difficult for me at all.

But because the insurance companies refuse to allow longer

infusion treatment, because they insist on placing me in the

category of someone who has just acquired Lyme, I just

cannot get anymore infusion treatments. Thus, I wondered

how others received infusions on and off for years? Do you

know or have a clue. Does anyone else know and if necessary

send me a reply by private post. If you email privately please

put my name in subject line so I will be sure not to miss your

reply.

I belong to the Lyme Aid group, a chronic pain group, and

when I was doing better on the infusions, I got interesed in

quilting so below to a quilting group too, and all are by

e-mail only, so my box can get pretty jammed if I don't

feel up to downloading daily. That's why I ask folks who

really don't want me to miss their message to put my name

in the subject line then whatever else they want to put.

The one thing that's now different after being on the abx

infusions is that always before when abx stopped to give

my body a rest, the pain subsided and often I had to cut

back on the pain medication or get sick. This time the

pain is worse off the abx and I must take the pain

medication as prescribed. Has this happened to others?

I feel certain it has, but have never read about it.

That's one thing I found missing from 's book

any mention of the pain that Lyme can cause. Yet

I did find it mentioned in both Coping With Lymd

Disease - Second Edition by Lang, and also

The Widening Circle by Polly Murray. I realize not

everyons has the horrific pain, but can't imagine

why it really would not be mentioned in a book on

Everything You Want To Know About Lyme. The

little reference I found there, in no way resembled

the amount of pain I have suffered with over the years.

I began to wonder if I wasn't some strange type

with a weird subset of LD. Later on the Lyme

New Group, sci.med.diseases,lyme, I read of

otherss having severe pain as a factor with LD.

I know firsthand how difficult if not downright

impossible it is to get treatedfor chronic pain,

even in a state with a law that states I or anyone

else with intractable chronic pain, either due to

chronic or terminal illness, can ge prescribed the

opiate medications when all other treatments

have failed to control the pain. Yet, it took

me 8 years to find someone willing to terat

me for chronic pain.

No, the medications are not a panacea for what

ails me, but they do help most of the time to

keep the pain from being totally overshelming.

Because of the LD, I cannot be given those

awful steroid injectionns, because of the steroids.

Thank goodness for this fact!

Wishing us all health and freedom from pain,

both physical and emotional -

Vicki & Ferraro (home) wrote:

> From: " Vicki & Ferraro (home) " <ferraroa@...>

>

> It funny how we all have become such experts in this disease, but it is also

> sad. I used to work at a Medical lab and always found it alarming that I

> knew more at age 18 from working at the lab, then some of the people from

> doctor's office did calling to get results. Especially some of the doctors!

> I remember one asking me to spell " RBC " (Red Blood Count), true story, no

> kidding. Then last week I was talking to the nurse in my doctor's office and

> she was trying to read me my tests results, and I was asking specific

> questions, just results really, and she said " gee, you know so much more

> about the tests needed and the results for this disease " . I appreciated her

> honesty and told her, I should , I have the disease I know what it does.

>

> But it didn't make me feel to comfortable or confident with my LLMD's

> knowledge of Lyme. Actually, I love my LLMD, but I don't think he is a true

> LLMD, he is general practice, but specializes in Fibromyalgia. But when I

> first went to him to see if I had Fibro, he was the one that said no, but

> you sure have classic symptoms of Lyme. From that day forward I trusted him,

> and he was right about the Lyme. I've found since then he is a great

> diagnostician, but sometimes wish he was more into research (can't blame him

> he has a family to feed). He is compassionate, and caring, and will just

> about try anything I ask, except for Flagyl and the IM anbx, bacteria? or

> bia??something, or Rocephin.

>

> Anyway, I digress............so much, sorry. Just found it an interesting

> topic. I guess as long as your treating doctor is willing to learn,that is

> an extra, mine seems willing, but sometimes I feel like I'm stepping on his

> pride when I suggest something he hasn't first ( , kind of like, I

> think it was you who said you bring your husband partly so the doctor will

> listen... something to that effect, I relate). So now I've learned to

> suggest it differently. Kind of like with our husbands, suggest it, and make

> them think they came up with it. Men and their egos! (Sorry guys, no hate

> " male " , I'm only speaking generally, I know there are quite a few

> exceptions, like my husband and so many men I've encountered here on the

> list). I should stay away from posting at night when my mind is allowed to

> jump all over the place. Actually, at least its (my mind) trying to work.

> Everyone hang in there!

> Vicki

> Happy Halloween (just wore me out with my grandchildren)!

> Re: [Lyme-aid] What's the law?

>

> >From: Memyo@...

> >

> >Well actually, when it comes to lyme, we read the results better than most

> >doctors.

> >Lea

> >

> ><< Margie, Where we like it or not. That is the law. The doctor ordered the

> >test

> > and therefore the results must go to him to be reviewed. The law assumes

> > people are not smart enough to interpret laboratory teat results. Many

> >people

> > are not. Lymies are smarter than the average person because we have had to

> > be. It is unfortunate that many of us have more knowledge that the people

> >who

> > have ordered the test. Carol A Labatorian in MI >>

> >

>

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In a message dated 10/31/99 1:30:59 AM, swsftwtx@... writes:

<<Mepron>>

This drug is an " Antiprotozoal " and not an antibiotic.

We all respond differently to medications. Ceftin, which is a close

relative of Rocephin, caused my Lyme to bleb and flare. I wouldn't

go near Rocephin with a 10 foot pole, yet for others it is the answer!

Go figure!

Jane

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,

I see what you mean, I just think my doctor is worried about being

persecuted like Dr. B. He is playing it safe, and trying to go by guidelines

for treatment, except he will keep prescribing long term for me. I'm just

waiting for my HMO to say no more. And we are getting ready to switch to

Blue Cross (throughout Federal Employees Insurance). So hopefully that will

help. I'm afraid to give up on my doctor, because he truly cares but I

understand he is worried about losing his practice, etc.

Thanks for your thoughts

Vicki

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>>

>> >From: Memyo@...

>> >

>> >Well actually, when it comes to lyme, we read the results better than

most

>> >doctors.

>> >Lea

>> >

>> ><< Margie, Where we like it or not. That is the law. The doctor ordered

the

>> >test

>> > and therefore the results must go to him to be reviewed. The law

assumes

>> > people are not smart enough to interpret laboratory teat results. Many

>> >people

>> > are not. Lymies are smarter than the average person because we have had

to

>> > be. It is unfortunate that many of us have more knowledge that the

people

>> >who

>> > have ordered the test. Carol A Labatorian in MI >>

>> >

>>

>> > Send to -Offtopiconelist messages unrelated to lyme,

please.

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I am not an expert, but Blue Cross is one of the

worst from what I've read as well as my own

Aetna, and there is a list I will try to find and

post it here too. I have a chance to go on to

United Health Traditional, but only for 12 mos

as Cobra. I believe because I'm Cobra they

don't care. But I had the same level of non

caring when I was still employed. I do know

this, that I have an exteneded realtive by

marriage who works for BCBS who will not

even discuss anything with me to do with Lyme.

It's not like we were ever close, but even knowing

a family member is having trouble with receiving

treatment however distant, he would not discuss

with me. So I don't know what to say. I do

know on this list I am thinking about, it comes from

a concern who advises doctors and others how to

get their money from these insurance companies

on their list of difficult insurance companies. It

does also have to do with what kind of coverage

the employer purchases as not all plans are equal

even if they have the same names, i.e. HMO

or Traditional.

Wishing you the best and hoping Blue Cross works

out wonderfully for you.

Wishing us all health and freedom from pain,

both physical and emotional -

P.S. You might ask someone on the sci.med.disease.lyme

to post a question for you of what the 4 or 5 worst

insurance companies are to have to obtain treatment

for Lyme. No one ever posts the good guy insurance

companies for fear of causing a run of new patients

that would cause them to go broke if all the new

patients had Lyme. And see what comes up from

a query on the newsgroup where there is a larger

number of lurkers, who may post in this instance.

Vicki & Ferraro (home) wrote:

> From: " Vicki & Ferraro (home) " <ferraroa@...>

>

> ,

>

> I see what you mean, I just think my doctor is worried about being

> persecuted like Dr. B. He is playing it safe, and trying to go by guidelines

> for treatment, except he will keep prescribing long term for me. I'm just

> waiting for my HMO to say no more. And we are getting ready to switch to

> Blue Cross (throughout Federal Employees Insurance). So hopefully that will

> help. I'm afraid to give up on my doctor, because he truly cares but I

> understand he is worried about losing his practice, etc.

> Thanks for your thoughts

> Vicki

> Re: [Lyme-aid] What's the law?

> >>

> >> >From: Memyo@...

> >> >

> >> >Well actually, when it comes to lyme, we read the results better than

> most

> >> >doctors.

> >> >Lea

> >> >

> >> ><< Margie, Where we like it or not. That is the law. The doctor ordered

> the

> >> >test

> >> > and therefore the results must go to him to be reviewed. The law

> assumes

> >> > people are not smart enough to interpret laboratory teat results. Many

> >> >people

> >> > are not. Lymies are smarter than the average person because we have had

> to

> >> > be. It is unfortunate that many of us have more knowledge that the

> people

> >> >who

> >> > have ordered the test. Carol A Labatorian in MI >>

> >> >

> >>

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Thanks ,

Actually we haven't switched yet and have a choice of many. But when I

weighed the premiums and benefits it sounded like our best option. I'm

afraid to go with an HMO because I'm afraid they will not cover long term

antibiotics. Already I have to send in an appeal for them to cover my $219

IGenx Luat tests. They just said it wasn't covered, not necessary or

something like that. But I'm taking info to my LLMD tomorrow in the hope

that his office can help me decide. Thanks for your suggestion, I have until

12/15/99 to decide and will look into it thoroughly. I'm glad I mentioned

it, because I thought someone had said something bad about BCBS, but

couldn't remember Thanks

Vicki

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>> >>

>> >> >From: Memyo@...

>> >> >

>> >> >Well actually, when it comes to lyme, we read the results better than

>> most

>> >> >doctors.

>> >> >Lea

>> >> >

>> >> ><< Margie, Where we like it or not. That is the law. The doctor

ordered

>> the

>> >> >test

>> >> > and therefore the results must go to him to be reviewed. The law

>> assumes

>> >> > people are not smart enough to interpret laboratory teat results.

Many

>> >> >people

>> >> > are not. Lymies are smarter than the average person because we have

had

>> to

>> >> > be. It is unfortunate that many of us have more knowledge that the

>> people

>> >> >who

>> >> > have ordered the test. Carol A Labatorian in MI >>

>> >> >

>> >>

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I have Blue Cross in California. I know they're different around the

country, but mine's been o.k. so far. No a peep from them about the IV now

going on the third month and we're only going on an equivocal WB. But who

knows about months from now. My doctor isn't worried (but it ain't his

bill).

beth

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beth

My doctor's office today, told me BC/BS is the very best and they have no

problems at all with it. Your post made me feel better about it too. Thanks,

we sign up in December, keeping my fingers crossed. But luckily my husband

has open season once a year, so if its not good, I can always choose

another. And since he is a Government employee, any of the plans we can

choose from, can't deny me due to pre-existing conditions. Thank goodness!

Take care

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] What's the law?

>From: beth <elsbeth@...>

>

>I have Blue Cross in California. I know they're different around the

>country, but mine's been o.k. so far. No a peep from them about the IV now

>going on the third month and we're only going on an equivocal WB. But who

>knows about months from now. My doctor isn't worried (but it ain't his

>bill).

>

>beth

>

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