Re: I'm baaaaack. :)

[Guest guest]

welcome back nancy!

glad to hear you are on the mend.

hugs,

kendra

[Guest guest]

Hi :

It was probably the combinations of BOTH the abx and herbs together that

gave you liver problems, probably because you did not take Red Root tincture and

enough probiotics.

IF on the herbs alone, you MAY do better. HOWEVER, a word of CAUTION is due

here since you mention you are going to take Artemisia annua:

I personally would hold off for awhile on taking the Artemisia annua until

you are absolutely SURE that you are not going to be having any alergic

reactions to any of the herbs you are now starting to take. IF you notice any

problems with the herbs, then back off down to maybe just the Sarsaparilla for a

few days, IF that is okay, and it should be, then add in Cat's Claw at one a day

for a few days and see how it goes for you. Do the same with the other herbs,

and if STILL OKAY, then maybe try the Artemisia annua.

IF you were having trouble taking Artemisinin, then you will more than likely

have trouble taking the Artemisia annua also. As a matter of fact I had more

trouble with the whole herb on this one than I did the extract. So I would use

extreme caution when taking it. And start out slow and build up also.

I am speaking from personal experience here. I didn't have hardly any effects

when I took Artemisinin, but could feel it much more when I took the whole herb.

Then when I mixed in Coptis (only one pill, once a day, and Andrographis at one

pill that day), I had a terrible reaction that took me about three weeks to get

over. AND I don't think I have been the same as previous to that ever since.

So please WATCH IT!

Jim

###

DeMarco <@...> wrote:

Hi, Everyone,

I tried Buhner's protocol along with antibiotics last year, and my

liver wasn't able to handle it. So, I went with the antibiotics,

since I was doing really well with them. Now I'm finally done with

the abx and ready to start over with the herbs.

My symptoms are very mild now - tinnitis and sweats, some fatigue...

but I'm able to work part-time and get enjoyment out of my free time.

I may even clean the house. (It *could* happen.)

I haven't kept up here as well as I would have liked, and I know

others have had great success kinda going by intuition, using ART

testing, etc. For now, I'm starting with the CP at the starting doses

- 1 each of Sarsaparilla, Andrographis, Resveratrol (Japanese

Knotweed), and Cat's Claw, 3 times a day, planning to double it in

about a week.

I'm taking Milk Thistle too, same quantity. And I have Artemisia

annua (whole herb) on its way. I can't do Artemisinin - anyone want

my unfinished bottle? I'll mail it to you.

I thought I'd start with the CP as written, increase as the book says,

and see how it goes.

Meanwhile, I've also been looking into the whole heavy metal thing,

which causes symptoms very similar to Lyme. Since I do have a

mouthful of amalgam fillings, and the remaining symptoms are very

possibly mercury-related, I'm going to have my fillings yanked.

Hopefully that will happen this spring/summer, and I can begin

chelating by fall. I have great hopes for this, and I really think

the mercury burden might be one reason I haven't been able to clear

the Lyme.

Anyway, just wanted to say hi. I will no doubt be looking for

advice as I ramp back up.

Take care,

D.

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

>Hi ,

You don't know me, but I read lots of your posts from the beginning

before I actually joined in and feel I know you! Welcome back!

It's good news that you feel you've made a lot of progress and are

ready to start the herbs again.

I just wanted to say to take care to go to someone really skilled at

removing amalgams, who follows the correct protocols and not to have

too many done at once, leaving several weeks between each 'quadrant'

of the mouth. I found it useful to chew charcoal 20 minutes before

each time and my dentist had a doctor present to give me Vit C

intravenously, which I'm sure helped a lot. Obviously there should

also be a rubber dam and a long tube for breathing air from several

feet away, also googles etc.I'm sure you will also read up on a good

chelating protocol afterwards and I must stress that you should do

everything you can afterwards to avoid getting bad candida, plenty of

good probiotics, diet low in sugar and yeast etc.

I'll stop there because I don't want this to sound like a lecture!

Best Wishes,

Carolyn

> Hi, Everyone,

>

> I tried Buhner's protocol along with antibiotics last year, and my

> liver wasn't able to handle it. So, I went with the antibiotics,

> since I was doing really well with them. Now I'm finally done with

> the abx and ready to start over with the herbs.

>

> My symptoms are very mild now - tinnitis and sweats, some fatigue...

> but I'm able to work part-time and get enjoyment out of my free time.

> I may even clean the house. (It *could* happen.)

>

> I haven't kept up here as well as I would have liked, and I know

> others have had great success kinda going by intuition, using ART

> testing, etc. For now, I'm starting with the CP at the starting doses

> - 1 each of Sarsaparilla, Andrographis, Resveratrol (Japanese

> Knotweed), and Cat's Claw, 3 times a day, planning to double it in

> about a week.

>

> I'm taking Milk Thistle too, same quantity. And I have Artemisia

> annua (whole herb) on its way. I can't do Artemisinin - anyone want

> my unfinished bottle? I'll mail it to you.

>

> I thought I'd start with the CP as written, increase as the book says,

> and see how it goes.

>

> Meanwhile, I've also been looking into the whole heavy metal thing,

> which causes symptoms very similar to Lyme. Since I do have a

> mouthful of amalgam fillings, and the remaining symptoms are very

> possibly mercury-related, I'm going to have my fillings yanked.

> Hopefully that will happen this spring/summer, and I can begin

> chelating by fall. I have great hopes for this, and I really think

> the mercury burden might be one reason I haven't been able to clear

> the Lyme.

>

> Anyway, just wanted to say hi. I will no doubt be looking for

> advice as I ramp back up.

>

> Take care,

>

> D.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Carolyn, and thank you for the advice.

The dentist is very good.

http://www.grotondentalwellness.com/amalgamremoval.htm

I found her on a google search, then got lots of good feedback from

people who have used her. So I think it will be OK. I have my first

appointment in two weeks - can't wait to get this ball rolling.

On the chelation, I'm still doing my homework. Are you familiar with

Andy Cutler's protocol? It seems the safest, so far. I went to a ND

who wanted to do the DMPS/DMSA IV urine challenge test, before amalgam

removal, which the people on the chelation lists say is very

dangerous. So... I'm still doing my homework and feeling pretty

ignorant. They recommend strongly against chlorella, because it's a

single thion and tends to redistribute mercury, rather than really

chelating. But I know Selma has done well with it, so, I dunno.

Don't worry about the low-sugar - I've been low-carbing for 7 years

now. I come from a long line of diabetics, and I'm trying to avoid

becoming one of them. I think this diet is one reason I was able to

continue to function with Lyme for so long.

I am terrible about remembering my probiotics though - I must do better.

Feel free to lecture any time. Thanks again for the advice,

D.

" carolyntriance " <carolyntriance@...> wrote:

>

>

> >Hi ,

> You don't know me, but I read lots of your posts from the beginning

> before I actually joined in and feel I know you! Welcome back!

> It's good news that you feel you've made a lot of progress and are

> ready to start the herbs again.

> I just wanted to say to take care to go to someone really skilled at

> removing amalgams, who follows the correct protocols and not to have

> too many done at once, leaving several weeks between each 'quadrant'

> of the mouth. I found it useful to chew charcoal 20 minutes before

> each time and my dentist had a doctor present to give me Vit C

> intravenously, which I'm sure helped a lot. Obviously there should

> also be a rubber dam and a long tube for breathing air from several

> feet away, also googles etc.I'm sure you will also read up on a good

> chelating protocol afterwards and I must stress that you should do

> everything you can afterwards to avoid getting bad candida, plenty of

> good probiotics, diet low in sugar and yeast etc.

> I'll stop there because I don't want this to sound like a lecture!

> Best Wishes,

> Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Yes, I know - Dr. Burrascano said he frequently had problems with

elevated liver enzymes when people tried to do both antibiotics and

Buhner's herbs at once. Cat's Claw, I believe, he felt was the most

likely culprit.

I'll be careful with the Artemisia annua. Buhner said that he

believed it would be less likely to cause problems, compared to the

artemisinin, but that he recommended artemisinin because so many

Lymies have trouble following the directions to prepare the Artemisia

annua. So far I've just taken a teeny bit of the ground herb off my

fingertip, and so far, so good.

I know what you mean by never being the same since over-doing an herb

combination. I still have visual problems that started when I took

artemisinin, along with the CP, antibiotics, milk thistle, hawthorn...

I can't remember what all else. But the art pushed me quickly over

the edge. I tried it again a few months later, all by itself, and was

almost immediately treated to a light show. Never again.

I appreciate the warnings.

D.

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

>

> Hi :

>

> It was probably the combinations of BOTH the abx and herbs

together that gave you liver problems, probably because you did not

take Red Root tincture and enough probiotics.

>

> IF on the herbs alone, you MAY do better. HOWEVER, a word of

CAUTION is due here since you mention you are going to take Artemisia

annua:

>

> I personally would hold off for awhile on taking the Artemisia

annua until you are absolutely SURE that you are not going to be

having any alergic reactions to any of the herbs you are now starting

to take. IF you notice any problems with the herbs, then back off

down to maybe just the Sarsaparilla for a few days, IF that is okay,

and it should be, then add in Cat's Claw at one a day for a few days

and see how it goes for you. Do the same with the other herbs, and if

STILL OKAY, then maybe try the Artemisia annua.

>

> IF you were having trouble taking Artemisinin, then you will more

than likely have trouble taking the Artemisia annua also. As a matter

of fact I had more trouble with the whole herb on this one than I did

the extract. So I would use extreme caution when taking it. And

start out slow and build up also.

>

> I am speaking from personal experience here. I didn't have hardly

any effects when I took Artemisinin, but could feel it much more when

I took the whole herb. Then when I mixed in Coptis (only one pill,

once a day, and Andrographis at one pill that day), I had a terrible

reaction that took me about three weeks to get over. AND I don't

think I have been the same as previous to that ever since.

>

> So please WATCH IT!

>

> Jim

> ###

>

> DeMarco <@...> wrote:

> Hi, Everyone,

>

> I tried Buhner's protocol along with antibiotics last year, and my

> liver wasn't able to handle it. So, I went with the antibiotics,

> since I was doing really well with them. Now I'm finally done with

> the abx and ready to start over with the herbs.

>

> My symptoms are very mild now - tinnitis and sweats, some fatigue...

> but I'm able to work part-time and get enjoyment out of my free time.

> I may even clean the house. (It *could* happen.)

>

> I haven't kept up here as well as I would have liked, and I know

> others have had great success kinda going by intuition, using ART

> testing, etc. For now, I'm starting with the CP at the starting doses

> - 1 each of Sarsaparilla, Andrographis, Resveratrol (Japanese

> Knotweed), and Cat's Claw, 3 times a day, planning to double it in

> about a week.

>

> I'm taking Milk Thistle too, same quantity. And I have Artemisia

> annua (whole herb) on its way. I can't do Artemisinin - anyone want

> my unfinished bottle? I'll mail it to you.

>

> I thought I'd start with the CP as written, increase as the book says,

> and see how it goes.

>

> Meanwhile, I've also been looking into the whole heavy metal thing,

> which causes symptoms very similar to Lyme. Since I do have a

> mouthful of amalgam fillings, and the remaining symptoms are very

> possibly mercury-related, I'm going to have my fillings yanked.

> Hopefully that will happen this spring/summer, and I can begin

> chelating by fall. I have great hopes for this, and I really think

> the mercury burden might be one reason I haven't been able to clear

> the Lyme.

>

> Anyway, just wanted to say hi. I will no doubt be looking for

> advice as I ramp back up.

>

> Take care,

>

> D.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels

> in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I am not so sure it is Cat's Claw, but maybe. More likely to be the abx. I

have had Sarsaparilla from the very beginning so have never had a liver problem.

I started on the Red Root tincture quite early also. I bought a couple of

bottles while MINE was " cooking " for a few weeks. Now I use the bottles to put

mine is as they have the stoppers. Still work good after more than a year.

I also went to probiotics right away when I went on abx, so that helped,

though the abx killed my stomach, and had to quit. Probably a good thing I did

as long term abx is no good for our systems anyway.

I dropped my herbs down to two capsules, only two times a day this past

weekend; and today I have had the first real brain fog in over a year. Also the

pain in my tendons behind the left knee is back fairly strong. Also have been

tired for a few days, course that could be because I am having trouble getting

more than 4 hours sleep also. And my vision gets blurred again, mostly when I am

tired though. Not bad right now. My neck is also sore today.

I bought a large bottle of vodka today; debating whether to make a couple of

tinctures with it or just drink it to feel better. ;o)

I never did get up to Buhner's recommended 4 pills, 4 times a day of each

herb, So I may have to do that also. And maybe somehow wean myself off sugar.

Trouble is, My ostomy stoma has torn from my belly, and it looks like I can't

put surgery off any longer, it got worse yesterday. One more tear and instead

of my food coming out it will be the small intesting coming out.

I think maybe the Artemisinin or the Artemisia annua could have also been MY

problem when added to the Coptis last July. That was the worst I have ever felt

on herbs and/or abx. It was really scarey, didn't know IF I was going to die or

not. Not sure WHAT to do about it either.

I am considering stopping herbs altogether for maybe a week, then start like

day one again. Only I want to try the Stephania root as a tincture instead of

capsules this time. Going to start the tincture later today.

Here's hoping. I was feeling so good for so long too. Course having this bug

for over seven years doesn't help either. I am sure it is very entrained into

my system. I haven't gotten all my amalgams out yet either. Short on money

after my big truck accident in Texas last fall. And now HIS insurance company

is trying to get over $9,000.00 out of me too.

Take care,

Jim.

###

DeMarco <@...> wrote:

Hi, ,

Yes, I know - Dr. Burrascano said he frequently had problems with

elevated liver enzymes when people tried to do both antibiotics and

Buhner's herbs at once. Cat's Claw, I believe, he felt was the most

likely culprit.

I'll be careful with the Artemisia annua. Buhner said that he

believed it would be less likely to cause problems, compared to the

artemisinin, but that he recommended artemisinin because so many

Lymies have trouble following the directions to prepare the Artemisia

annua. So far I've just taken a teeny bit of the ground herb off my

fingertip, and so far, so good.

I know what you mean by never being the same since over-doing an herb

combination. I still have visual problems that started when I took

artemisinin, along with the CP, antibiotics, milk thistle, hawthorn...

I can't remember what all else. But the art pushed me quickly over

the edge. I tried it again a few months later, all by itself, and was

almost immediately treated to a light show. Never again.

I appreciate the warnings.

D.

[Guest guest]

> > >Hi ,

> > You don't know me, but I read lots of your posts from the beginning

> > before I actually joined in and feel I know you! Welcome back!

> > It's good news that you feel you've made a lot of progress and are

> > ready to start the herbs again.

> > I just wanted to say to take care to go to someone really skilled at

> > removing amalgams, who follows the correct protocols and not to have

> > too many done at once, leaving several weeks between each 'quadrant'

> > of the mouth. I found it useful to chew charcoal 20 minutes before

> > each time and my dentist had a doctor present to give me Vit C

> > intravenously, which I'm sure helped a lot. Obviously there should

> > also be a rubber dam and a long tube for breathing air from several

> > feet away, also googles etc.I'm sure you will also read up on a good

> > chelating protocol afterwards and I must stress that you should do

> > everything you can afterwards to avoid getting bad candida, plenty of

> > good probiotics, diet low in sugar and yeast etc.

> > I'll stop there because I don't want this to sound like a lecture!

> > Best Wishes,

> > Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Since recently being diagnosed via muscle testing with babesia, I've

started taking allergy research groups artemisinin of my own accord.

The only difference to be noted is lessened splitting actual headaches

(my main problem is more a fogginess and feeling of suppressed

consciousness).

I actually had an elevated ALT liver enzyme before doing anything new,

as of yet unexplained. Possibly from parasites irritating my liver.

For now, I'll suffice to say that the problem cannot be properly

explained in western terms, and chinese perspective grasps it better.

I come to this conclusion since after 1 acupuncture session, liver

pain I was having pretty much dissapeared, after she removed a bunch

of heat caused by stagnant blood/energy.

ALT went down before having acupuncture..which again reinforces

parasites, as that was the only thing I was changing at the time

(adding in some anti-parasite herbs).

> Hi, ,

>

> Yes, I know - Dr. Burrascano said he frequently had problems with

> elevated liver enzymes when people tried to do both antibiotics and

> Buhner's herbs at once. Cat's Claw, I believe, he felt was the most

> likely culprit.

>

> I'll be careful with the Artemisia annua. Buhner said that he

> believed it would be less likely to cause problems, compared to the

> artemisinin, but that he recommended artemisinin because so many

> Lymies have trouble following the directions to prepare the Artemisia

> annua. So far I've just taken a teeny bit of the ground herb off my

> fingertip, and so far, so good.

>

> I know what you mean by never being the same since over-doing an herb

> combination. I still have visual problems that started when I took

> artemisinin, along with the CP, antibiotics, milk thistle, hawthorn...

> I can't remember what all else. But the art pushed me quickly over

> the edge. I tried it again a few months later, all by itself, and was

> almost immediately treated to a light show. Never again.

>

> I appreciate the warnings.

>

> D.

>

[Guest guest]

, I read that liver problems could be caused by fungal

infections. I had liver pains/ problems since beginning of lyme. It

never 'healed', I always depend on milk thistle to live symptom-free

(on my liver).

When I finally attacked fungal infections, my liver suffered more

than usual. Much more, let's say. Even gall bladder.

Now they're fine, but I guess you could think about a connection

there too... Dr. K wrote about that connection (maybe because funghi

live with heavy metals and heavy metals are liberated when you kill

them, hurting your liver???).

Have you read my post before (answers to everybody). I wanted to

thank you for the beautiful video of nutrition!

Selma

>

> Since recently being diagnosed via muscle testing with babesia, I've

> started taking allergy research groups artemisinin of my own accord.

> The only difference to be noted is lessened splitting actual

headaches

> (my main problem is more a fogginess and feeling of suppressed

> consciousness).

>

> I actually had an elevated ALT liver enzyme before doing anything

new,

> as of yet unexplained. Possibly from parasites irritating my liver.

> For now, I'll suffice to say that the problem cannot be properly

> explained in western terms, and chinese perspective grasps it

better.

> I come to this conclusion since after 1 acupuncture session, liver

> pain I was having pretty much dissapeared, after she removed a bunch

> of heat caused by stagnant blood/energy.

> ALT went down before having acupuncture..which again reinforces

> parasites, as that was the only thing I was changing at the time

> (adding in some anti-parasite herbs).

>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

HEY SELMA: Just can't stay away, can you? ;o)

###

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

, I read that liver problems could be caused by fungal

infections. I had liver pains/ problems since beginning of lyme. It

never 'healed', I always depend on milk thistle to live symptom-free

(on my liver).

When I finally attacked fungal infections, my liver suffered more

than usual. Much more, let's say. Even gall bladder.

Now they're fine, but I guess you could think about a connection

there too... Dr. K wrote about that connection (maybe because funghi

live with heavy metals and heavy metals are liberated when you kill

them, hurting your liver???).

Have you read my post before (answers to everybody). I wanted to

thank you for the beautiful video of nutrition!

Selma

[Guest guest]

Selma, When you talk about liver pain and problems, what did you notice? I am

suspecting I have that going on. a

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: ,

I read that liver problems could be caused by fungal

infections. I had liver pains/ problems since beginning of lyme. It

never 'healed', I always depend on milk thistle to live symptom-free

(on my liver).

When I finally attacked fungal infections, my liver suffered more

than usual. Much more, let's say. Even gall bladder.

Now they're fine, but I guess you could think about a connection

there too... Dr. K wrote about that connection (maybe because funghi

live with heavy metals and heavy metals are liberated when you kill

them, hurting your liver???).

Have you read my post before (answers to everybody). I wanted to

thank you for the beautiful video of nutrition!

Selma

[Guest guest]

Haha!!

How are you doing Jim? I'm thinking about you!

I got help this week here, someone is looking after my daughter, so I

have a bit more time. But tomorrow, the lady goes back, so I'll be I

guess away from the forum a bit again...

Selma

>

> HEY SELMA: Just can't stay away, can you? ;o)

> ###

>

>

> selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

> , I read that liver problems could be caused by

fungal

> infections. I had liver pains/ problems since beginning of lyme. It

> never 'healed', I always depend on milk thistle to live symptom-

free

> (on my liver).

>

> When I finally attacked fungal infections, my liver suffered more

> than usual. Much more, let's say. Even gall bladder.

>

> Now they're fine, but I guess you could think about a connection

> there too... Dr. K wrote about that connection (maybe because

funghi

> live with heavy metals and heavy metals are liberated when you kill

> them, hurting your liver???).

>

> Have you read my post before (answers to everybody). I wanted to

> thank you for the beautiful video of nutrition!

>

> Selma

>

[Guest guest]

a, lyme alone can cause liver stress, specially when you kill

borrelia.

But when I kill funghi, the stress for me was even stronger.

I had, for the first time in my life, the impression I couldn't

digest anything oily anymore and got liver pains. This was in the

worst days. I had to use the beetroot recipy, cut oils, add lemon,

add more flaxseed oil etc to get it back in track. It took me some

time to eat normal again (2 weeks, I think). My dose of milk thistle

had to be increased to minimum 3x day, and it's still not enough. I

needed 4x or so, and still not enough to detox liver (still with

pain).

I have to rub essential oils on liver/ kidney/ gall bladder to help

on cleansing more often.

It was after that I read dr. K saying if you have constant liver

problems, you probably have fungal issues. Bingo, it coincided with

my feeling.

I've been attacking funghi since December 06 (or was it November?).

My liver got stuck (even with all milk thitle, dandelion etc)

sometime in January. I had to use homeopathy specifically for

cleansing and had to stop funghi and borrelia killing for many days.

In the worst days, my symptoms were: sweats, fever attacks,

jitterness, fatigue, pathogens were growing even if I increased

killers, plus the liver symptom.

Now it's better.

>

> Selma, When you talk about liver pain and problems, what did you

notice? I am suspecting I have that going on. a

>

> selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

, I read that liver problems could be caused by fungal

> infections. I had liver pains/ problems since beginning of lyme.

It

> never 'healed', I always depend on milk thistle to live symptom-

free

> (on my liver).

>

> When I finally attacked fungal infections, my liver suffered more

> than usual. Much more, let's say. Even gall bladder.

>

> Now they're fine, but I guess you could think about a connection

> there too... Dr. K wrote about that connection (maybe because

funghi

> live with heavy metals and heavy metals are liberated when you

kill

> them, hurting your liver???).

>

> Have you read my post before (answers to everybody). I wanted to

> thank you for the beautiful video of nutrition!

>

> Selma

>