What are you bartonella symptoms?

January 21, 2007

I keep reading, and can't really come with a clear picture of bart

symptoms. I feel that what I read does not correspond well to what lyme

sufferers report.

I don't have high temperature, never had with lyme. I have chills (had,

at least until a few days ago) and finger pain (bone, on my hands) with

swelling. Then some fatigue, when my fingers are in pain. After herbs,

all are gone, but may come again a bit before next herbal intake.

I think I had some feet (sole) sensitivity for one or two days during

all my lyme story. quite long time ago. Then, my hands may get more red

sometimes... But nothing that lasts.

Does this sound like bart??

Selma

January 21, 2007

It's hard to say.

I haven't run fevers either. I get chilled, and then I feel horribly hot and

sweaty, then chilled again. Sometimes I have cold sweats. My temperature is

always low, even when I feel hot. I have to do heat therapy to get my

temperature up to, or above 97F. The soles of my feet hurt, especially when I

first get up in the morning. Sometimes I get a weird spreading pain through my

hands and feet, then a nasty sweat.

I do have tiny red spots, slightly raised, on my upper body. My LLMD looked at

them and thought they might be bart.

I suspect my vision issues are probably bart, because they started when I

stopped the doxy and went to amoxicillin. Doxy suppresses bart - amoxi doesn't.

Then there's the loss of balance, the fatigue, the sudden anger for no reason.

I don't know what's Lyme and what's bart, but I'm starting to suspect most of it

is bart right now.

The heat therapy has been such a help. Some of the red spots are even going

away. I felt much worse when the power was out, and I couldn't use the

treadmill or the hot tub. I'm already much better.

Thanks for asking the question, Selma. It's something I've been trying to

figure out lately.

D.

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: I keep

reading, and can't really come with a clear picture of bart

symptoms. I feel that what I read does not correspond well to what lyme

sufferers report.

I don't have high temperature, never had with lyme. I have chills (had,

at least until a few days ago) and finger pain (bone, on my hands) with

swelling. Then some fatigue, when my fingers are in pain. After herbs,

all are gone, but may come again a bit before next herbal intake.

I think I had some feet (sole) sensitivity for one or two days during

all my lyme story. quite long time ago. Then, my hands may get more red

sometimes... But nothing that lasts.

Does this sound like bart??

Selma

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January 21, 2007

, thanks for answering so fast.

But so many babesia symptoms overlap....

My babesia symptoms looked like that:

- chills

- heat attacks with fatigue

- night sweats

- hot flushes

- more chills

- mild loss of balance

- extreme fatigue

- air hunger

- emotional instability and extreme anxiety, depression, change of

personality

Except for chills, these symptoms above are gone for me.

What I can figure out from your description that sounded more like

bart and NOT babesia:

- pains on hands and feet

- red spots, marks on skin

Just a figuring out of things...

This pain you describe on hands/feet, is it bone pain or skin pain?

Mine is bone pain, I got no skin pain, that's why I ask.

Do you get any swelling (light) with such pains?

> I suspect my vision issues are probably bart, because they started

when I stopped the doxy and went to amoxicillin. Doxy suppresses

bart - amoxi doesn't. Then there's the loss of balance, the fatigue,

the sudden anger for no reason. I don't know what's Lyme and what's

bart, but I'm starting to suspect most of it is bart right now.

I wouldn't say it immediately. Vision issues could be lyme too and

amoxy could be not reaching the eyes for some reason (or not working

as well as doxy in yuor case)?? Just a guess. Not all people digest/

absorb drugs the same way.

What kind of heat treatment are you using?

Thanks again, .

Selma

January 21, 2007

Selma:

Sounds like you are just an addict. ;o)

Probably addicted to herbs?!?!?!?!

LOL

Jim

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

I keep reading, and can't really come with a clear picture of bart

symptoms. I feel that what I read does not correspond well to what lyme

sufferers report.

I don't have high temperature, never had with lyme. I have chills (had,

at least until a few days ago) and finger pain (bone, on my hands) with

swelling. Then some fatigue, when my fingers are in pain. After herbs,

all are gone, but may come again a bit before next herbal intake.

I think I had some feet (sole) sensitivity for one or two days during

all my lyme story. quite long time ago. Then, my hands may get more red

sometimes... But nothing that lasts.

Does this sound like bart??

Selma

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January 21, 2007

Hi, Selma,

I did think the symptoms were babs, but now I don't think so. It seems doxy

helps them the most, which points more to Lyme or bart, rather than babs. It is

very hard to know.

The hand pain is not skin. It is deep in the hand, but not what I think of as

bone pain. It comes on suddenly, spreads through the whole hand, and it is very

bad for only a few seconds, maybe half a minute. Then it is gone. I always

feel hot and break out in a sweat at the same time. Sometimes it happens in my

toes at the same time as the hands.

My hands only swell when I do the hot tub, but I do have individual joints in my

fingers that swell and become painful at other times.

The vision problems started while I was on amoxicillin, and I tried adding

artemisinin. The eye doctor tells me it is not in my eyes. It is in my brain.

If I take artemisinin, it gets much worse within an hour. So I think it was the

art itself that was the problem, rather than babs being killed. It is possible

I now have permanent damage, since there has been no change in months.

Right now I am doing mepron and doxy, with heat and exercise, hyaluronic acid

and magnesium. I have many times asked my LLMD about combining the mepron and

doxy, but he thinks it is OK. Others say the doxy makes the mepron less

effective. My LLMD was supposed to check with Dr. Burrascano, but I don't

think he has.

I have been unable to combine herbs with the antibiotics. My liver says it is

too much right now. And milk thistle, which I would like to take, should not be

taken with Mepron. So I am hoping to finish the antibiotics soon and follow up

with herbs, exercise and heat. Meanwhile, my horse is eating all my herbs, and

she is feeling much better for it.

It sure is a puzzle, figuring out what works, and why.

Take care,

D.

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: ,

thanks for answering so fast.