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Thanks, Bernadette. My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill itself if

it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through them.

Since I am not prone to seizures or convulsions. Of course, Bb, babs &

ehrlic are not viral but any fevers can kill the 'keets. Can you tell me

how to start a conversation of my own, with subject title, here on

lymeaid? Thanks a mil, Lovey

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Vicki, it is the Bb spirochete that is keeping our temps low so it can

thrive. That is why heat is such a good thing to kill 'keets. Lovey

On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:19:43 -0400 " Vicki & Ferraro (home) "

<ferraroa@...> writes:

> From: " Vicki & Ferraro (home) " <ferraroa@...>

>

> Has anyone noticed that a lot of us Lymies have normal temps below

> the norm,

> mine has always ran around 97.7 sometimes lower. So when it hits

> 98.9 (like

> lately) it feels like it should be a lot higher. I wonder if there

> is some

> connection with people with below normal temps, maybe being more

> susceptible

> to Lyme, since it doesn't like heat. Just a thought.

>

> Vicki

> Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>

>

> >From: lovey38@...

> >

> >Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has

> ever

> >had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

> >about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

> >showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change

> for me,

> >but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase

> temp

> >of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a

> stool in

> >the tub if I need it. Lovey

> >

> >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

> >> From: BratDet@...

> >>

> >> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> >> nebneb@... writes:

> >>

> >> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

> >> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

> >> itself if

> >> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep

> through

> >> them. >>

> >> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

> >> Tylenol...my

> >> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in

> some

> >> cases I

> >> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104

> since

> >> I run 97

> >> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

> >> stayed home

> >> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

> >> it...taking the

> >> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it

> if

> >> at 101 I

> >> was coherent..

> >> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds

> ey??

> >> no clear

> >> cut answers....Bernadette

> >>

> >

>

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Lovey,

Just send a new email to onelist with your new subject matter

in the subject line.

=)

Robynn

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

> From: lovey38@...

>

> Thanks, Bernadette. My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

> both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill itself if

> it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through them.

> Since I am not prone to seizures or convulsions. Of course, Bb, babs &

> ehrlic are not viral but any fevers can kill the 'keets. Can you tell me

> how to start a conversation of my own, with subject title, here on

> lymeaid? Thanks a mil, Lovey

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In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

nebneb@... writes:

<< My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

> both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill itself if

> it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through them. >>

I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the Tylenol...my

deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in some cases I

can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104 since I run 97

normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he stayed home

from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of it...taking the

Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it if at 101 I

was coherent..

..there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds ey?? no clear

cut answers....Bernadette

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I believe the spirochete dies at 104.

I've played around with raising my temp with hot baths and have managed to get

it over 101. I would feel like crap afterwards and sleep for a few hours, but

when i woke up I would feel really good. I would try to time the baths for about

2 hours after I took my meds, so they were in my system at full force. I got out

of the habit, but I'd like to get back to it.

I had some kind of nasty flu virus last year, when I was really sick with Lyme

and had all kinds of symptoms. My fever soared to 103.6 and I just let it break

naturally. I felt wonderful for about a week after that, before the symptoms

started creeping back.

from NJ

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Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has ever

had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change for me,

but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase temp

of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a stool in

the tub if I need it. Lovey

On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

> From: BratDet@...

>

> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> nebneb@... writes:

>

> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

> itself if

> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through

> them. >>

> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

> Tylenol...my

> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in some

> cases I

> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104 since

> I run 97

> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

> stayed home

> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

> it...taking the

> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it if

> at 101 I

> was coherent..

> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds ey??

> no clear

> cut answers....Bernadette

>

> ---------------------------

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Has anyone noticed that a lot of us Lymies have normal temps below the norm,

mine has always ran around 97.7 sometimes lower. So when it hits 98.9 (like

lately) it feels like it should be a lot higher. I wonder if there is some

connection with people with below normal temps, maybe being more susceptible

to Lyme, since it doesn't like heat. Just a thought.

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>From: lovey38@...

>

>Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has ever

>had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

>about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

>showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change for me,

>but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase temp

>of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a stool in

>the tub if I need it. Lovey

>

>On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

>> From: BratDet@...

>>

>> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> nebneb@... writes:

>>

>> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

>> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

>> itself if

>> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through

>> them. >>

>> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

>> Tylenol...my

>> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in some

>> cases I

>> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104 since

>> I run 97

>> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

>> stayed home

>> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

>> it...taking the

>> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it if

>> at 101 I

>> was coherent..

>> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds ey??

>> no clear

>> cut answers....Bernadette

>>

>

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Dah (thanks Lovey, I should have figured that out)

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>>

>>

>> >From: lovey38@...

>> >

>> >Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has

>> ever

>> >had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

>> >about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

>> >showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change

>> for me,

>> >but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase

>> temp

>> >of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a

>> stool in

>> >the tub if I need it. Lovey

>> >

>> >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

>> >> From: BratDet@...

>> >>

>> >> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> >> nebneb@... writes:

>> >>

>> >> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

>> >> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

>> >> itself if

>> >> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep

>> through

>> >> them. >>

>> >> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

>> >> Tylenol...my

>> >> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in

>> some

>> >> cases I

>> >> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104

>> since

>> >> I run 97

>> >> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

>> >> stayed home

>> >> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

>> >> it...taking the

>> >> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it

>> if

>> >> at 101 I

>> >> was coherent..

>> >> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds

>> ey??

>> >> no clear

>> >> cut answers....Bernadette

>> >>

>> >

>>

>> ---------------------------

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In a message dated 10/25/99 11:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time

<< Vicki, it is the Bb spirochete that is keeping our temps low so it can

>thrive. >>

in my case it is thyroid issues that keep my body temps subnormal...Bernadette

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Vicki,

I've talked to other people with lyme, too and it IS very interesting about

the temp. Mine usually runs at 97.6. It was like that before I got lyme,

too.

NJ

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>

>

> >From: lovey38@...

> >

> >Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has ever

> >had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

> >about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

> >showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change for me,

> >but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase temp

> >of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a stool in

> >the tub if I need it. Lovey

> >

> >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

> >> From: BratDet@...

> >>

> >> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> >> nebneb@... writes:

> >>

> >> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

> >> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

> >> itself if

> >> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through

> >> them. >>

> >> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

> >> Tylenol...my

> >> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in some

> >> cases I

> >> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104 since

> >> I run 97

> >> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

> >> stayed home

> >> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

> >> it...taking the

> >> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it if

> >> at 101 I

> >> was coherent..

> >> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds ey??

> >> no clear

> >> cut answers....Bernadette

> >>

> >

>

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Someone mentioned to me today that a lot of Dr's in upstate NY are using

sauna's on Lyme patients. Maybe they have something.

NJ

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> >

> >

> > >From: lovey38@...

> > >

> > >Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has

> > ever

> > >had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

> > >about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

> > >showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change

> > for me,

> > >but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase

> > temp

> > >of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a

> > stool in

> > >the tub if I need it. Lovey

> > >

> > >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

> > >> From: BratDet@...

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > >> nebneb@... writes:

> > >>

> > >> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

> > >> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

> > >> itself if

> > >> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep

> > through

> > >> them. >>

> > >> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

> > >> Tylenol...my

> > >> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in

> > some

> > >> cases I

> > >> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104

> > since

> > >> I run 97

> > >> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

> > >> stayed home

> > >> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

> > >> it...taking the

> > >> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it

> > if

> > >> at 101 I

> > >> was coherent..

> > >> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds

> > ey??

> > >> no clear

> > >> cut answers....Bernadette

> > >>

> > >

> >

> > ---------------------------

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Hi,

I also have lower than normal temp and have had for a long time. I was

told that was normal with CFIDS dx, and that was that! Most people dx'ed

with CFIDS have low temps also - was anyone been dx'ed with this

non-disease first??

Take care,

Christie

Has anyone noticed that a lot of us Lymies have normal temps below the norm,

mine has always ran around 97.7 sometimes lower. So when it hits 98.9 (like

lately) it feels like it should be a lot higher. I wonder if there is some

connection with people with below normal temps, maybe being more susceptible

to Lyme, since it doesn't like heat. Just a thought.

Vicki

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Me, too, Connie. Was it the flu that makes you real dizzy? I had thought it

might be the Effexor I just started taking, but when I called the doc, he

said it was really going around. You're in Michigan, too, aren't you?

(Michigan)

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You know,

I just got over the flu........I thought at first it was a herx.......but

no it was the flu....ran a nice temp.........and you know what, I feel

better........cook those bugs as much as possible........Connie

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Oh I forgot, (imagine that)

I'm Hypothyroid, so that may also explain my low temps. But what Lovey said

about the bugs keeping it down is probably true for those without the

thyroid problems.Thanks for reminding me.

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>From: BratDet@...

>

>In a message dated 10/25/99 11:41:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time

>

><< Vicki, it is the Bb spirochete that is keeping our temps low so it can

> >thrive. >>

>in my case it is thyroid issues that keep my body temps

subnormal...Bernadette

>

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Christie,

First I was dx'd with Lyme, then after a few months of picking up every

virus and strep, etc., I was dx'd with CFID and Fibromyalgia. Which my

doctor says he is starting to see a lot of his Lyme patients fall in that

direction. After about 10 mos, my white blood count finally came back

normal, and I'm not as fatigued, he thinks my immune system is getting

stronger and I may not be CFID anymore, but still dealing with Lyme, just

not as many fevers or catching everything.But I think I already caught

everything there was to get.

Vicki

[Lyme-aid] Re: viral fevers

>From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

>

>

>Hi,

>

>I also have lower than normal temp and have had for a long time. I was

>told that was normal with CFIDS dx, and that was that! Most people dx'ed

>with CFIDS have low temps also - was anyone been dx'ed with this

>non-disease first??

>

>Take care,

>

>Christie

>

>

>Has anyone noticed that a lot of us Lymies have normal temps below the

norm,

>mine has always ran around 97.7 sometimes lower. So when it hits 98.9 (like

>lately) it feels like it should be a lot higher. I wonder if there is some

>connection with people with below normal temps, maybe being more

susceptible

>to Lyme, since it doesn't like heat. Just a thought.

>

>Vicki

>

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,

I read something about 's Syndrome that described this in people with

not clear reason, but thyroid medication did help. Do you have a thyroid

problem that you know of?

Vicki

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>From: " m. stevens " <mstevens@...>

>

>

>Vicki,

>

>I've talked to other people with lyme, too and it IS very interesting about

>the temp. Mine usually runs at 97.6. It was like that before I got lyme,

>too.

>

>

>NJ

>

>

> Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>>

>>

>> >From: lovey38@...

>> >

>> >Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has ever

>> >had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

>> >about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

>> >showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change for

me,

>> >but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase temp

>> >of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a stool in

>> >the tub if I need it. Lovey

>> >

>> >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

>> >> From: BratDet@...

>> >>

>> >> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> >> nebneb@... writes:

>> >>

>> >> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

>> >> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

>> >> itself if

>> >> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through

>> >> them. >>

>> >> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

>> >> Tylenol...my

>> >> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in some

>> >> cases I

>> >> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104 since

>> >> I run 97

>> >> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

>> >> stayed home

>> >> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

>> >> it...taking the

>> >> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it if

>> >> at 101 I

>> >> was coherent..

>> >> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds ey??

>> >> no clear

>> >> cut answers....Bernadette

>> >>

>> >

>>

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,

Here is one article about 's Syndrome.

http://infoseek.go.com/?win=_search & sv=M6 & qt='s+Syndrome & oq= & url=http%

3A//www.mall-net.com/cathcart/wilsons.html & ti='s+Syndrome+-+Symptoms & t

op

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>From: " m. stevens " <mstevens@...>

>

>

>Vicki,

>

>I've talked to other people with lyme, too and it IS very interesting about

>the temp. Mine usually runs at 97.6. It was like that before I got lyme,

>too.

>

>

>NJ

>

>

> Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>>

>>

>> >From: lovey38@...

>> >

>> >Yes, B, it is a matter of choices. Since I am not a person who has ever

>> >had a convulsion, I just let mine run its course. My normal temp is

>> >about 96.5-97.2. If I get a 98f I feel feverish. I try to take hot

>> >showers. Sometimes it is hard because hot/cold sensitives change for

me,

>> >but I have found if I start with Warm water and gradually increase temp

>> >of water, I can take a Really Hot shower. Of course, I have a stool in

>> >the tub if I need it. Lovey

>> >

>> >On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:00:51 EDT BratDet@... writes:

>> >> From: BratDet@...

>> >>

>> >> In a message dated 10/25/99 2:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> >> nebneb@... writes:

>> >>

>> >> << My mother was a nurse and my sister is a nurse and

>> >> > both always told me to let a fever rage because it would kill

>> >> itself if

>> >> > it was viral. So I just bite the bullet and try to sleep through

>> >> them. >>

>> >> I am an R.N., and when I am half-dead with a fever...I take the

>> >> Tylenol...my

>> >> deceased dad always believed in letting a " fever burn " , and in some

>> >> cases I

>> >> can agree with that thoery...but my 102 was prob anothers 104 since

>> >> I run 97

>> >> normally...and since I scared the hell out of my husband...(he

>> >> stayed home

>> >> from work cause he was so afraid for me)...I was so out of

>> >> it...taking the

>> >> Tylenol brought me back to earth....I didn't necessarily take it if

>> >> at 101 I

>> >> was coherent..

>> >> .there are so many nuances when we decide whether to take meds ey??

>> >> no clear

>> >> cut answers....Bernadette

>> >>

>> >

>>

>> > Send to -Offtopiconelist messages unrelated to lyme,

please.

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Thanks Reid,

I just did run in to 's syndrome. I've heard of it from other people

here, but never quite knew what it was. But I get treated for Hypothyroid

and still run low. But thanks for the info I'll have to read more. (did you

send the tape yet, or need me to send you a box and postage - really, no

problem). Don't mean to sound nagging, just curious, can't wait to see it.

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] viral fevers

>From: RMcmur3194@...

>

>vicji....mine runs in the low 96 range when i hit " normal " i am running a

>fever.....look up wilsons syndrome on the alliance site...

>Reid

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In a message dated 10/26/1999 6:24:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

elsbeth@... writes:

<< me too - 97.4 is normal. I've felt VERY feverish the last couple of months

on IV abx, temperature has been hovering around 99.

beth

>>

Me Too!

Deb- Richmond VA

Husband hunts on deer populated area, this where I believe the tick came from

First contracted Lyme 1989, bull's eye rash on stomach, flu-like symptoms,

treated with Doxy for 21 days and recovered.

Re-bitten in Sept, 1998, ringworm like rash, flu-like symptoms in 11-98, went

undiagnosed until Aug 1999, symptoms multiplied and become worse. Started on

Amoxicillin 500mg and Probenicid 500mg, developed an ulcer. I am now taking

IV Rocephen

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In a message dated 10/26/1999 9:53:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

conniek@... writes:

<< .cook those bugs as much as possible........Connie

>>

sorry u got the flu! HAPPY that you could kill some bugs in the process!

Deb-VA

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