Re: Darn Dentist

[Guest guest]

IT is okay to stop the other herbs IF you need to, but if it is from killing off

too many bugs you are feeling bad, I would NOT stop the Red Root tincture. It

doesn't kill, it helps to keep your liver and the rest of your lymph system

clear.

Jim.

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DeMarco <@...> wrote:

I've been off antibiotics for a few weeks - a month maybe? and once I

got over the initial hump, I've been feeling really well. Then I went

to the dentist (Tuesday) for an amalgam removal estimate, and because

I have a heart murmur, they required that I take 3 grams of

amoxicillin in order to have my gums poked at.

Between the antibiotic and high doses of Core Protocol plus boneset

(and red root and milk thistle), and hot tubbing my temp up to 103+, I

seem to have killed way too much. Wednesday it was all I could do to

wake up. I actually slept at work for two hours when I had a big gap

between clients. Then I immediately fell back asleep when I got home

at 2:00, and woke up in the evening thinking it was morning and having

no idea what day it was.

Yesterday I was really fatigued and sweaty and had liver pain. Darn!

I stopped everything except the milk thistle for a day, and I'm just

finally feeling better today, adding in Red Root with a little

Boneset, and taking a small dose of CP herbs.

The neat thing is, many of my clients canceled. The universe seems

always to know when I need a break.

Now I need to ask my doc if she can give me a note for the dentist so

I don't have to take antibiotics for all the amalgam removal I have

coming up. I don't want to get knocked for a loop again.

Them thar bugs sure do keep ya on yer toes.

D.

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[Guest guest]

Jim, Can the red root be taken in a form other than tincture? With the grain

issue for me I cannot do anything with alcohol made from wheat or whatever -

corn I could probably handle but I can't imagine that is possible. Thanks,

a

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

IT is okay to stop the other herbs IF you need to, but if it is from killing off

too many bugs you are feeling bad, I would NOT stop the Red Root tincture. It

doesn't kill, it helps to keep your liver and the rest of your lymph system

clear.

Jim.

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[Guest guest]

I stopped it for a day, because I figured if it clears the lymphatic

system, it can't help but send more work to the liver. So even if it

helps the liver, it also has a hand in over-loading it. That may be

wrong, but I don't have specifics on exactly how it works, so until I

learn more about it, I have to guess based on my basic A & P knowledge.

All is well now. I had one bad day, and two iffy ones. Back on max

doses of all herbs today with no problems.

I'm using red root as a tea, rather than tincture, using the same prep

and dosage as boneset. I keep meaning to check with Buhner to see if

that's OK. It actually tastes pretty good.

D.

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

>

> IT is okay to stop the other herbs IF you need to, but if it is from

killing off too many bugs you are feeling bad, I would NOT stop the

Red Root tincture. It doesn't kill, it helps to keep your liver and

the rest of your lymph system clear.

>

> Jim.

> ###

>

>

> DeMarco <@...> wrote:

> I've been off antibiotics for a few weeks - a month maybe?

and once I

> got over the initial hump, I've been feeling really well. Then I went

> to the dentist (Tuesday) for an amalgam removal estimate, and because

> I have a heart murmur, they required that I take 3 grams of

> amoxicillin in order to have my gums poked at.

>

> Between the antibiotic and high doses of Core Protocol plus boneset

> (and red root and milk thistle), and hot tubbing my temp up to 103+, I

> seem to have killed way too much. Wednesday it was all I could do to

> wake up. I actually slept at work for two hours when I had a big gap

> between clients. Then I immediately fell back asleep when I got home

> at 2:00, and woke up in the evening thinking it was morning and having

> no idea what day it was.

>

> Yesterday I was really fatigued and sweaty and had liver pain. Darn!

> I stopped everything except the milk thistle for a day, and I'm just

> finally feeling better today, adding in Red Root with a little

> Boneset, and taking a small dose of CP herbs.

>

> The neat thing is, many of my clients canceled. The universe seems

> always to know when I need a break.

>

> Now I need to ask my doc if she can give me a note for the dentist so

> I don't have to take antibiotics for all the amalgam removal I have

> coming up. I don't want to get knocked for a loop again.

>

> Them thar bugs sure do keep ya on yer toes.

>

> D.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tincture is the recommended way. You can make it with glycerine IF you can't

take alcohol. You could also make a tea, but I don't think you would get all

the substances out of the herb that way. AND it would not keep long.

Jim.

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a Sistare <healed_14@...> wrote:

Jim, Can the red root be taken in a form other than tincture? With the

grain issue for me I cannot do anything with alcohol made from wheat or whatever

- corn I could probably handle but I can't imagine that is possible. Thanks,

a

[Guest guest]

You are right in that you are wrong. At least I believe you are. The liver IS

part of your Lymph system. So are your tonsils IF you have them and of course

your Lymph Nodes.The Red Root is to HELP your liver, not burden or hurt it.

Jim.

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DeMarco <@...> wrote:

I stopped it for a day, because I figured if it clears the lymphatic

system, it can't help but send more work to the liver. So even if it

helps the liver, it also has a hand in over-loading it. That may be

wrong, but I don't have specifics on exactly how it works, so until I

learn more about it, I have to guess based on my basic A & P knowledge.

All is well now. I had one bad day, and two iffy ones. Back on max

doses of all herbs today with no problems.

I'm using red root as a tea, rather than tincture, using the same prep

and dosage as boneset. I keep meaning to check with Buhner to see if

that's OK. It actually tastes pretty good.

D.

[Guest guest]

, I have really been wondering about the liver stuff. My testing shows

that liver function is too fast on getting the stuff through phase one and too

slow on phase two which means a lot of yuck sits around too long. My challenge

is how much to do the cleansing - even if it is lymph without overloading my

body. I just try and listen as best I can to what my body is telling me. Let

me know what you hear re: whether tea is comparable to tincture on the red root.

Even if it is not the best but still effective, I think I would go with it.

a

DeMarco <@...> wrote: I

stopped it for a day, because I figured if it clears the lymphatic

system, it can't help but send more work to the liver. So even if it

helps the liver, it also has a hand in over-loading it. That may be

wrong, but I don't have specifics on exactly how it works, so until I

learn more about it, I have to guess based on my basic A & P knowledge.

All is well now. I had one bad day, and two iffy ones. Back on max

doses of all herbs today with no problems.

I'm using red root as a tea, rather than tincture, using the same prep

and dosage as boneset. I keep meaning to check with Buhner to see if

that's OK. It actually tastes pretty good.

D.

[Guest guest]

Like, I think I wrote before: THE LIVER IS PART OF the LYMPH SYSTEM. We NEED

to use the Red Root in Tincture to cleanse the LIVER and the REST of the Lymph

System. Tea won't cut it. USE THE TINCTURE. IF you cannot tolerate alcohol,

even as a tincture as it is modified, then use glycerine to make your tincture,

or heat it up just before taking it and let it sit so the alcohol evaporates.

Jim.

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a Sistare <healed_14@...> wrote:

, I have really been wondering about the liver stuff. My testing

shows that liver function is too fast on getting the stuff through phase one and

too slow on phase two which means a lot of yuck sits around too long. My

challenge is how much to do the cleansing - even if it is lymph without

overloading my body. I just try and listen as best I can to what my body is

telling me. Let me know what you hear re: whether tea is comparable to tincture

on the red root. Even if it is not the best but still effective, I think I would

go with it. a

[Guest guest]

I make a tea with it. My schedule is flexible, so it is no big deal

for me to stop and make tea 4 times a day. And my brain is no longer

fogged in, so I can follow directions.

Many of Buhner's book recommendations are based on what he felt was

most readily available, and what was easiest for Lymies to understand.

The recommendations in the book are not always what he believed to be

best. For example, he generally recommends whole herbs over

tinctures, if you can find them and are mentally capable of preparing

them. But for some herbs tinctures were more readily available at the

time of print, and preparations of the whole herb were often complicated.

Now that the book has become well-known, many herb suppliers are

carrying things that used to be hard to find, like Stephania, which he

said he would have included in the core had it been easier to find

when he wrote the book.

When in doubt, shoot him an email, or better yet, ask him on Planet

Thrive so we can all see the answers. He is very, very nice about

helping if he is in a position to do so.

D.

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

>

> Tincture is the recommended way. You can make it with glycerine IF

you can't take alcohol. You could also make a tea, but I don't think

you would get all the substances out of the herb that way. AND it

would not keep long.

>

> Jim.

> ####

>

>

> a Sistare <healed_14@...> wrote:

> Jim, Can the red root be taken in a form other than

tincture? With the grain issue for me I cannot do anything with

alcohol made from wheat or whatever - corn I could probably handle but

I can't imagine that is possible. Thanks, a

>

[Guest guest]

" R. Bayliss " <jbbigrod@...> wrote:

> You are right in that you are wrong. At least I believe you are.

> The liver IS part of your Lymph system.

It is an accessory organ to the digestive system. Because it cleans

the blood, it is sometimes included as an accessory organ to the

lymphatic/immune system. It's a jack of all trades.

> So are your tonsils IF you have them and of course your Lymph

> Nodes.

The spleen is the biggie.

The lymphatic system drains excess fluid, picks up fat from the GI

tract, and kills off pathogens in the spleen and nodes. It dumps all

of this into the blood, and the liver is largely responsible for

sorting it all out.

So, I figure if you streamline the lymphatic system, you may be making

more work for the liver. Plus, it's a coagulant, and I frequently

have problems with too-thick blood. So, not sure it's the best choice

for me when I'm flattened by a herx.

> The Red Root is to HELP your liver, not burden or hurt it.

You have to look at all the angles when making your own personal

decisions regarding which herbs will benefit you, when. Buhner is

very much in favor of tailoring the protocols to the individual.

D.

[Guest guest]

Hi, a,

I don't have any in-depth knowledge of liver function, detoxing, etc.

The following I just found on a web search. I might just have to get

me some. http://www.liverdoctor.com/03_detoxpathways.asp

" The nutrients glycine, glutamine, choline and inositol are also

required for efficient phase two detoxification. Eggs and cruciferous

vegetables (eg. broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower), and

raw garlic, onions, leeks and shallots are all good sources of natural

sulphur compounds to enhance phase two detoxification. "

So, I would think that increasing your consumption of these nutrients

might give your phase two a kick start.

It also talks about the production of free radicals during phase one,

and the potential damage to the liver from its own by-products. So,

lots of antioxidants are needed to protect it from itself (and

avoiding the substances that create the most free radicals - Caffeine,

Alcohol, Dioxin, Saturated fats, Organophosphorus pesticides, Paint

fumes, Sulfonamides, Exhaust fumes and Barbiturates).

Interesting stuff. Thank you for nudging me into looking for it. I

think my liver will benefit.

D.

a Sistare <healed_14@...> wrote:

>

> , I have really been wondering about the liver stuff. My

testing shows that liver function is too fast on getting the stuff

through phase one and too slow on phase two which means a lot of yuck

sits around too long. My challenge is how much to do the cleansing -

even if it is lymph without overloading my body. I just try and

listen as best I can to what my body is telling me. Let me know what

you hear re: whether tea is comparable to tincture on the red root.

Even if it is not the best but still effective, I think I would go

with it. a

[Guest guest]

Yes, , I guess tea could work IF you use enough of it. I have used

capsules for over a year now, but I am anxious to start using my new Stephania

tincture in a little over a week.

Jim.

###

DeMarco <@...> wrote:

I make a tea with it. My schedule is flexible, so it is no big deal

for me to stop and make tea 4 times a day. And my brain is no longer

fogged in, so I can follow directions.

Many of Buhner's book recommendations are based on what he felt was

most readily available, and what was easiest for Lymies to understand.

The recommendations in the book are not always what he believed to be

best. For example, he generally recommends whole herbs over

tinctures, if you can find them and are mentally capable of preparing

them. But for some herbs tinctures were more readily available at the

time of print, and preparations of the whole herb were often complicated.

Now that the book has become well-known, many herb suppliers are

carrying things that used to be hard to find, like Stephania, which he

said he would have included in the core had it been easier to find

when he wrote the book.

When in doubt, shoot him an email, or better yet, ask him on Planet

Thrive so we can all see the answers. He is very, very nice about

helping if he is in a position to do so.

D.

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I feel a little stuck as with hypothyroid, I try and stay away

from cruciferous veggies on a regular basis - I do love them though. I will

look into this further. a

DeMarco <@...> wrote: Hi,

a,

I don't have any in-depth knowledge of liver function, detoxing, etc.

The following I just found on a web search. I might just have to get

me some. http://www.liverdoctor.com/03_detoxpathways.asp

" The nutrients glycine, glutamine, choline and inositol are also

required for efficient phase two detoxification. Eggs and cruciferous

vegetables (eg. broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower), and

raw garlic, onions, leeks and shallots are all good sources of natural

sulphur compounds to enhance phase two detoxification. "

So, I would think that increasing your consumption of these nutrients

might give your phase two a kick start.

It also talks about the production of free radicals during phase one,

and the potential damage to the liver from its own by-products. So,

lots of antioxidants are needed to protect it from itself (and

avoiding the substances that create the most free radicals - Caffeine,

Alcohol, Dioxin, Saturated fats, Organophosphorus pesticides, Paint

fumes, Sulfonamides, Exhaust fumes and Barbiturates).

Interesting stuff. Thank you for nudging me into looking for it. I

think my liver will benefit.

D.

[Guest guest]

Hi a

If your Iodine levels are Ok you may be able to tolerate crucifers!

or at least some quantity of them- see below from the Linus ing

Institute

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/foods/cruciferous/

( note the use of VERY HIGH INTAKES and the next to last statement

of hypothyroidism NOT increased without decreased iodine and last

statement of 5 oz per day of brussels over 4 weeks showed no thyroid

changes).

QUOTE:

Iodine and Thyroid Function

Very high intakes of cruciferous vegetables, such as cabbage and

turnips, have been found to cause hypothyroidism (insufficient

thyroid hormone) in animals (61). Two mechanisms have been

identified to explain this effect. The hydrolysis of some

glucosinolates found in cruciferous vegetables (e.g., progoitrin)

may yield a compound known as goitrin, which has been found to

interfere with thyroid hormone synthesis. The hydrolysis of another

class of glucosinolates, known as indole glucosinolates, results in

the release of thiocyanate ions, which can compete with iodine for

uptake by the thyroid gland. Increased exposure to thiocyanate ions

from cruciferous vegetable consumption or, more commonly, from

cigarette smoking does not appear to increase the risk of

hypothyroidism unless accompanied by iodine deficiency. One study in

humans found that the consumption of 150 g/day (5 oz/day) of cooked

Brussels sprouts for four weeks had no adverse effects on thyroid

function (62).

Be well

Finette

>

> Thanks , I feel a little stuck as with hypothyroid, I try

and stay away from cruciferous veggies on a regular basis - I do

love them though. I will look into this further. a

>

[Guest guest]

You're very welcome, a,

Have you been tested for iodine deficiency? It's a 24-hour urine

collection after taking a specified amount of iodoral. Many people

with hypothyroidism are deficient, and improve dramatically with

supplementation. (I'm supplementing now.)

Just a thought.

D.

a Sistare <healed_14@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks , I feel a little stuck as with hypothyroid, I try and

stay away from cruciferous veggies on a regular basis - I do love them

though. I will look into this further. a

>

> DeMarco <@...> wrote:

Hi, a,

>

> I don't have any in-depth knowledge of liver function, detoxing, etc.

>

> The following I just found on a web search. I might just have to get

> me some. http://www.liverdoctor.com/03_detoxpathways.asp

>

> " The nutrients glycine, glutamine, choline and inositol are also

> required for efficient phase two detoxification. Eggs and cruciferous

> vegetables (eg. broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, cauliflower), and

> raw garlic, onions, leeks and shallots are all good sources of natural

> sulphur compounds to enhance phase two detoxification. "

>

> So, I would think that increasing your consumption of these nutrients

> might give your phase two a kick start.

>

> It also talks about the production of free radicals during phase one,

> and the potential damage to the liver from its own by-products. So,

> lots of antioxidants are needed to protect it from itself (and

> avoiding the substances that create the most free radicals - Caffeine,

> Alcohol, Dioxin, Saturated fats, Organophosphorus pesticides, Paint

> fumes, Sulfonamides, Exhaust fumes and Barbiturates).

>

> Interesting stuff. Thank you for nudging me into looking for it. I

> think my liver will benefit.

>

> D.

>