Re: bacterium and nutrients

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Good to hear Kay good to hear.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/99 7:53:00 PM, b10g7@... writes:

<<magneseum, maganese, calcium,>>

These are not recommended with doxy and tetracycline!

I read the inserts, and they say to avoid them while taking these abx!

Maybe that's why the tetracycline didn't work??

I was taking cranberry extract until I read the label, and saw it also

had a ton of magnesium! I'll stay off it until I'm done with the doxy...

[Guest guest]

What sort of supplements were you referring to?

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Kay,

I so glad to read about your good news about your daughter. I'm

wondering if I/we could read the papers you read re: antibiotics and

supplements. Thanks (when you have time, of course)

beth

SF, CA

[Lyme-aid] bacterium and nutrients

> From: " Kay " <b10g7@...>

>

> hi everyone,

>

> i have very good news, meredith has improved greatly!

>

> she feels better and her school work has gone from 1st grade level to

3rd!

>

> i am holding my breath, praying her health will continue to improve.

it is

> incredible.

>

> she will start getting irritable and mean and i can say, " you used to

do

> these things because you were feeling so bad, but now you don't need

to

> because you are better. "

>

> the first time i said that i was " reaching " , i wasn't sure if it was

true or

> not. well she responds by agreeing and modifying her behavior!

>

> thank God. what a miracle.

>

> three things were changed in her treatment.

>

> 1. we increased her topamax

> 2. she stopped amox. and started tetracycline

> 3. 3 weeks into the tetracycline treatment we stopped ALL supplements.

>

> we agonized over the last choice. when we first saw her llmd he said

to stop

> them (june 9) because " they feed the enemy " .

>

> i asked around on the internet, reread dr. b's recommendations, talked

to

> her holistic internist, and decided to keep her on them.

>

> when her llmd called about a week ago, he asked about the supplements.

i

> told him what she was taking and he said " to really give the

tetracycline a

> good chance to work you need to stop them. "

>

> so i got on the net and searched and found research that backed up his

> request. so we stopped them, and she improved RAPIDLY!

>

> i am NOT saying i think everyone should stop supplements! PLEASE to

NOT be

> offended or angry with this info.

>

> delete if you are not interested, this worked for meredith and i feel

i have

> to share it, it might help someone else with their choice.

>

> peace, health and YIPPEEE!

> kay

>

>

>

>

> DIPHTHERIA TOXIN PRODUCTION An X-ray crystallographic image of

diphtheria

> toxin production suggests a new type of antimicrobial therapy (A.

White et

> al., " Structure of the metal-ion-activated diphtheria toxin

repressor/tox

> operator complex, " Nature, 394:502­506, July 30, 1998). When certain

> transition metal ions are present, they bind to a two-dimer repressor

> protein, called DtxR, that sits on the toxin gene. " The

Corynebacterium

> diphtheriae toxin gene is carried by a phage that infects the

bacteria. When

> the bacterium has nutrients, no toxin is produced, " explains Dagmar

Ringe, a

> professor of biochemistry at Brandeis University's Rosenstiel Basic

Medical

> Sciences Research Center. But when the immune system responds to

infection

> by sequestering iron, the metal ions pop off the repressors. The rush

of

> toxin kills nearby cells, releasing nutrients, and also damages the

heart

> and nervous system. To image the toxin turn-on, Ringe's team used

nickel and

> a mutant that replaced a cysteine that complicated crystallization.

When the

> metal binds, DtxR contorts, its alpha helices coming closer together,

which

> allows the repressor to fit into the major groove of the DNA. At the

same

> time, the amino-terminal ends of the helices unwind, exposing the

minor

> groove. The repressor falls off the toxin gene. Understanding how

diphtheria

> toxin is made may have broader implications. " DtxR is a prototype for

the

> activity of many other virulent bacteria. Most pathogenic bacteria,

> including those responsible for tetanus, syphilis, tuberculosis, and

> botulism, have their own versions of this repressor, " Ringe concluded

after

> scrutinizing several microbial genomes. New drugs based on the finding

would

> target toxin production.

>

>

>

>

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:34242496 & dq=cache:www.lsumc.edu/cam

pus/

> micr/DMICR/dmex12.htm

>

>

> http://www.bact.wisc.edu/ScienceEd/mito.html

>

>

> http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Bact303/Bact303normalflora

>

>

> http://www.calpoly.edu/~ckitts/221lecs/struct.html

>

>

> http://hiv.medscape.com/UNM/AIDSinfonet/600/601.html

>

>

> http://www.stdgen.lanl.gov/

>

>

> http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99feb/germs.htm

>

>

> http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~jbrown/flagel.html

>

>

> http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Bact303/NutritionandGrowth

>

>

> http://www.newscientist.com/lastword/answers/lwa419plants.html

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[Guest guest]

>>>From: Margie Roswell <mroswell@...>

What sort of supplements were you referring to?

<<<

hi margie,

meredith was taking;

a multiple with,

vit. a, c, e, selenium, zinc, magneseum, maganese, calcium, chromium

picolinate

msm

CoQ10

l-carnitine

acidophious

flax oil

garlic

echinacea

b complex

astragalus

i think that is all.... sure seems like enough...!

peace,

kay

[Guest guest]

hi elisabeth,

i attached the info to the bottom of my post.

if you can't find it, email me and i'll repost.

kay

>>>Kay,

I so glad to read about your good news about your daughter. I'm

wondering if I/we could read the papers you read re: antibiotics and

supplements. Thanks (when you have time, of course)

beth

SF, CA<<<

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

Thrilled that Meredith is doing so well....regardless of what the cause.

I am not so sure about the supplements myself. I always fear overdosing

myself due to a bad reaction I had to B6 during my PMS days. I doubt anyone

here on our list will complain that Meredith is doing well, whether it is

attributed to stopping the vitamins or not. I am not sure what Topamax is?

I assume it is a drug.

Wondering if Meredith has found new friends in her new environment,

somehow that helps more than medicine.....as I have learned from all the new

friends I acquired through this list. Please keep us posted, I am so happy

for you both.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

>From: " Kay " <b10g7@...>

>

>hi everyone,

>

>i have very good news, meredith has improved greatly!

>

>she feels better and her school work has gone from 1st grade level to 3rd!

>

>i am holding my breath, praying her health will continue to improve. it is

>incredible.

>

>she will start getting irritable and mean and i can say, " you used to do

>these things because you were feeling so bad, but now you don't need to

>because you are better. "

>

>the first time i said that i was " reaching " , i wasn't sure if it was true

or

>not. well she responds by agreeing and modifying her behavior!

>

>thank God. what a miracle.

>

>three things were changed in her treatment.

>

>1. we increased her topamax

>2. she stopped amox. and started tetracycline

>3. 3 weeks into the tetracycline treatment we stopped ALL supplements.

[Guest guest]

Any heavy minerals like iron, calcium, magnesium will interfere with

antibiotics, because the antibiotic can attach to it, or something like

that. But my doctor told me take it at least an hour after the antibiotic.

The magnesium is especially important with Lyme, it really helps those

muscle twitches. I found a magnesium I could take on an empty stomach at

GNC, it " Proportioned " , I don't know what that means, but I was able to

handle it and I have a super weak stomach. Good luck

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] bacterium and nutrients

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>

>

>In a message dated 9/18/99 7:53:00 PM, b10g7@... writes:

>

><<magneseum, maganese, calcium,>>

>

>These are not recommended with doxy and tetracycline!

>I read the inserts, and they say to avoid them while taking these abx!

>Maybe that's why the tetracycline didn't work??

>I was taking cranberry extract until I read the label, and saw it also

>had a ton of magnesium! I'll stay off it until I'm done with the doxy...

>

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