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To be honest I was on TX twice with the meds I told you about..It took it's toll on me..Now they have meds that are a little easier on people..I took myself off TX..I was in remission but it is back and I am undecided now what I want to do. Trust me I will be here to talk with you while you are going through this. Not all TX works the same on everyone.

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[hepatitis_c_ support] alternative medicines> > hi, i was wondering if anyone has gone

through different methods to get well from this disease? i recently was introduced to alpha lipolic acid and a doctor that gives this intravenously and it takes the counts way down. i have 1a and see no hope through interferon. any thoughts or ideas?> > > Rita> May you be blessed by an angel> > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __>

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Girl I live in Louisiana..I dunno why the Dr said to make sure you don't gain weight cause when you start TX girl you loseit and fast..We use to joke in here and say it was the best diet ever..LOL..In here we use to talk alot more but alot of them in here have alot going on rightnow so just be patient and I will help you all I can..I know I felt dirty when I found out I had it and was embrassed and such but now I'm not..It took alot out of me emotionally and physically..So please there is nothing you can ask or talk about that I haven't went through or heard ok?? Feel free..So you have kids? I have 4..Stay in toiuch I"d love to hear from ya..

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[hepatitis_c_ support] alternative medicines> > > > hi, i was wondering if anyone has gone through different methods > to get well from this disease? i recently was introduced to alpha > lipolic acid and a doctor that gives this intravenously and it takes > the counts way down. i have 1a and see no hope through interferon. > any thoughts or ideas?> > > > > > Rita> > May you be blessed by an angel> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> > Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

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I used to just get very tired after eating; when I found I had an impaired glucose tolerance, I tried frequent exercise, unfortunately this just made me feel worse and I lost weight, muscle tone and started feeling dizzy after eating, especially food high in sugar/carbohydrates, I also started getting sores in various places on my body, like ring worm; the doctor said this looked like a yeast infection, also muscle and joint pain. My blood glucose is very strange, I've read that the blood glucose level increases when your body is trying to fight an infection. On fasting, I felt very dizzy at 4.8mmol/l, 7.8 after 30mins, 7.0 at 60min, 7.2 at 90min 8.0 at 120min, 6.7 at 150mins. The above was a second check, two weeks after one when I was 9.1 at 2hrs, the difference is that I had exercised every day since that reading. Interestingly, I felt

very tired at 30mins, but at 2hrs when my blood sugar was at its peak I felt ok, then as my blood sugar started to drop I felt dizzy again. The strange tastes started when I started getting dizzy, it is actually more a tingling feeling on my tongue, similar to what you might get if you put a low voltage battery on your tongue. I thought the taste maybe due to ketones?, I feel it in the morning when I get up and after eating. I have not got diabetes, but my endocrinologist was nice enough to say I will have in a few years, but offered no advice about how to prevent this. I'm certain my blood glucose problems are to do with my metabolism not functioning correctly due to my thyroid and/or candida. Has anyone noticed an impaired glucose tolerance due to lack of thyroid hormone? campaigner77

<sheilaturner@...> wrote: > I've always believed my many symptoms have a common cause, > unfortunately the doctors in this country just treat symptoms and do > not do much investigation into possible causes. I've suffered for > over 6 years and had numerous medications and steroids etc, > unfortunately my problems have just been getting worse, after eating > I feel dizzy, then I get tired, brain fog, strange tastes etc etc. > Trying to concentrate at work is almost impossible.

After many test > I have been diagnosed with a fatty liver, pre-diabetes and my is > 4.1. Unfortunately, it does seem that doctors are NOT taught to think outside the box when hypothyroid patients present all their symptoms, signs, tell their story etc. If their blood results are within the reference range, however much they are at the top or the bottom of the range, they still declare their patients "normal" and not having hypothyroidism. Can you tell us a little about the "strange taste" and how long you have noticed this?> > Doctors find it strange that I have a fatty liver, yet I am not > overweight and I don't drink alcohol, my endocrinologist even said > my TSH is elevated, but just thinks I should keep an eye on it.> > Looking at all my symptoms, they relate to Hypothyroidism, yet my > doctor says my thyroid test is normal. Perhaps the time has come to sit down, make a list of all your symptoms and signs (go to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click "Hypothyroidiosm" then on the drop down list, click "Symptoms and Signs") and compare yours with them. Take your temperature every morning for 4/5 days before you get out of bed and write these down too on the same list. Normal temperature is 98.4 degrees F. If yours is 97.8 or even less, this is an indication your metabolism isn't working. Write down lots of questions on the list. Make an appointment with your GP and ask for another referral to the endocrinologist. Take the list to your consultant and go through it all with a fine tooth comb and tell him you would appreciate a trial of thyroxine. The medical profession have only taken TSH ionto account since the 1970's and diagnosed hypothyroidism much better before this test was invented.>

> I've looked into herbal medications because I've had no help from > doctors; I found herbs that reduce blood sugar and detoxify the body > are a real help.> > Based on this, I think my problems maybe related to yeast and > candida, since acetaldehyde(bi-product of yeast) blocks the > conversion of T4 to T3.> > http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/related-> conditions/thyroid-treatments/> > I am currently taking the following:-> > Fenugreek(Helps reduce blood sugar, also yeast does not like this > herb)> Barley Grass Juice(Helps to remove acetaldehyde)> N-Acetyl Cysteine(Helps regulate blood sugar and detoxify liver)> Zinc.(Required by enzyme for T4 to T3 conversion)> Selenium(Required by enzyme for T4 to T3 conversion)> Iodine from kelp.> > I feel much better but not perfect, I am

therefore considering a > trial of Armour, since this contains T3 which I may have a lack of > due to the yeast or other toxic substance, such as mercury in my > fillings or the fluoride in the mouthwash I use.> > Anyone else had problems with your doctor thinking that your > problems are psychological after providing them with a list of > symptoms and possible causes?> > I've given up on doctors! My problems have just been made worse by > doctors, my improvements have come from my own investigations.> > Since I've no choice but to self prescribe, I'm interested in any > feedback from people who have tried alternative medicines(Chinese > Yin/Yang thing, herbs etc), also I'd like to know the best place to > get Armour online. You have certainly done your homework and have obviously read a great deal about this disease and you are

therefore on the right road. If the above doesn't work and you are still being refused a trial period of thyroid hormone replacement, then you have no option but to take your health into your own hands. Although you mention such things as chinese herbs etc, the fact is that if you ARE hypothyroid and not putting out the thyroid hormones your body requires, the only thing that will work is thyroid hormone replacement, either synthetic or natural - there is no substitute. I would mention three things you should first take care of. One is low adrenal reserve. You can get a 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done through NPTech Services (have a look in the FILES section of this forum and you can see a list of the tests and the prices they charge). This test will tell you where your cortisol and DHEA levels lie at 4 specific times during the day. If you do suffer with low adrenal reserve, you will need to boost your adrenals

BEFORE starting on any thyroid hormone replacement. Two, you could be suffering with Candida Albicans. Take a glass of water up to bed with you tonight and first thing in the morning, spit into the top of the water and after a while, if you see thin threads going towards the bottom of the glass, or the water goes cloudy, this is an indication you could be suffering with this disease. Go to our FILES again and do the Candida Questionnaire (also do the Adrenal Questionnaire) and see how you score. You may need to treat this again BEFORE you start thyroid hormone replacement. Three, you could have a low ferritin level (stored iron). Ask your GP to give you a blood test to see if this is the case. If you do have a low ferritin, you would need to take some form of elemental iron, such as Ferrous sulphate 200 mgs. to build up oyour iron reserve. All of the abofe will stop any thyroid hormone replacement from being absorbed so it is essential you find out whether you suffer from any (or all) of these and get them boosted or treated. Do you know whether your GP tested your blood to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid. Ask for the results and if you have not been tested, ask for this test. If you have antibodies to your thyroid, they see your thyroid tissue as public enemy number one and set about destroying it, thus your thyroid will be unable to put out the hormone your body requires. I know this sounds a lot to think about and to do, but take one step at a time and you will gradually get there. Read everything you can about natural thyroid extract (Armour Thyroid, USP) on our website and in our FILES. Read

also the paper "how to Use Armour" and you will find the details in there where to purchase it and how to use it. You MUST follow the recommendations there because natural thyroid extract contains ALL the thyroid hormones your body needs and you must take great care with medicating yourself so that you don't take too much, as the T3 and T2 in Armour are VERY active. Hope this helps. luv - Sheila > > Thanks.>

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Hi Glyn

Did your doctor ever go further into finding out whether or not you did have a yeast infection. You could be suffering with Candida Albicans and you can find out more about this by going to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and clicking on "Hypothyroidism" in the Menu. On the drop down Menu, click on "Associated Conditions" and read all about the symptoms, diagnosing and treatment of Candida Albicans. I realise your doctor says you do not have diabetes but will get it in later life. You need to talk to him further about this problem and what you can do to prevent this from happening?

Regarding the strange tingling and feeling like a battery being placed on your tongue, this can happen if you are short of certain minerals and hopefully, Bob will be able to help you out on this one.

Has your doctor given you a full thyroid function test, if so, do get the results from your surgery together with the reference ranges for each test and post them here, even if your doctor said they were "normal". If you haven't had a full TFT, then ask your doctor to give you one. You should also be tested to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid and ask him also to test to see where your ferritin (stored iron) level lies.

Luv - Sheila

PS - when you respond to a message Glyn, please will you make sure that you delete most of the message you are responding to and just leave a small portion as people reading direct from the website or from their Daily Digest, have to scroll through it all to get to the next message and get frustrated. Many thanks.

I have not got diabetes, but my endocrinologist was nice enough to say I will have in a few years, but offered no advice about how to prevent this.

I'm certain my blood glucose problems are to do with my metabolism not functioning correctly due to my thyroid and/or candida.

Has anyone noticed an impaired glucose tolerance due to lack of thyroid hormone?

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I mentioned yeast, but all the doctors I've been to see do not believe that yeast could cause a problem, I did get one to give me some medication to kill yeast, I tried this for a couple of weeks but did not feel any better. I'm interested to know about minerals, I am taking a zinc supplement at the moment. I'm speaking to my doctor tomorrow, I'll try and find out more about my thyroid tests. Cheers,

Glyn. sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...> wrote: . \

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Hi Glyn, alongside everything that Sheila has told you - I presume you are male from your name, and you might think Im mad for suggesting this - but natural progesterone cream is apparently helpful for men as well as women for balancing hormones. Ive found this stopped my dizziness which I think was hypoglycaemia and at times very bad - having to hold onto my chair as I felt I would fall off it! Its made such a difference that I would strongly suggest that you look into this www.progesterone.co.uk - its not the cheapest but is high quality and you probably use less in the long run. Steer away from the ones with Yam seems to be something to remember.

Gill

I used to just get very tired after eating; when I found I had an impaired glucose tolerance, I tried frequent exercise, unfortunately this just made me feel worse and I lost weight, muscle tone and started feeling dizzy after eating, especially food high in sugar/carbohydrates, I also started getting sores in various places on my body, like ring worm; the doctor said this looked like a yeast infection, also muscle and joint pain.

My blood glucose is very strange, I've read that the blood glucose level increases when your body is trying to fight an infection.

On fasting, I felt very dizzy at 4.8mmol/l, 7.8 after 30mins, 7.0 at 60min, 7.2 at 90min 8.0 at 120min, 6.7 at 150mins.

The above was a second check, two weeks after one when I was 9.1 at 2hrs, the difference is that I had exercised every day since that reading.

Interestingly, I felt very tired at 30mins, but at 2hrs when my blood sugar was at its peak I felt ok, then as my blood sugar started to drop I felt dizzy again.

The strange tastes started when I started getting dizzy, it is actually more a tingling feeling on my tongue, similar to what you might get if you put a low voltage battery on your tongue.

I thought the taste maybe due to ketones?, I feel it in the morning when I get up and after eating.

I have not got diabetes, but my endocrinologist was nice enough to say I will have in a few years, but offered no advice about how to prevent this.

I'm certain my blood glucose problems are to do with my metabolism not functioning correctly due to my thyroid and/or candida.

Has anyone noticed an impaired glucose tolerance due to lack of thyroid hormone?

campaigner77 <sheilaturnertpa-uk (DOT) org.uk> wrote:

> I've always believed my many symptoms have a common cause, > unfortunately the doctors in this country just treat symptoms and do > not do much investigation into possible causes. I've suffered for > over 6 years and had numerous medications and steroids etc, > unfortunately my problems have just been getting worse, after eating > I feel dizzy, then I get tired, brain fog, strange tastes etc etc. > Trying to concentrate at work is almost impossible. After many test > I have been diagnosed with a fatty liver, pre-diabetes and my is > 4.1.

Unfortunately, it does seem that doctors are NOT taught to think outside the box when hypothyroid patients present all their symptoms, signs, tell their story etc. If their blood results are within the reference range, however much they are at the top or the bottom of the range, they still declare their patients "normal" and not having hypothyroidism. Can you tell us a little about the "strange taste" and how long you have noticed this?> > Doctors find it strange that I have a fatty liver, yet I am not > overweight and I don't drink alcohol, my endocrinologist even said > my TSH is elevated, but just thinks I should keep an eye on it.> > Looking at all my symptoms, they relate to Hypothyroidism, yet my > doctor says my thyroid test is normal.

Perhaps the time has come to sit down, make a list of all your symptoms and signs (go to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click "Hypothyroidiosm" then on the drop down list, click "Symptoms and Signs") and compare yours with them. Take your temperature every morning for 4/5 days before you get out of bed and write these down too on the same list. Normal temperature is 98.4 degrees F. If yours is 97.8 or even less, this is an indication your metabolism isn't working. Write down lots of questions on the list. Make an appointment with your GP and ask for another referral to the endocrinologist. Take the list to your consultant and go through it all with a fine tooth comb and tell him you would appreciate a trial of thyroxine. The medical profession have only taken TSH ionto account since the 1970's and diagnosed hypothyroidism much better before this test was invented.> > I've looked into herbal medications because I've had no help from > doctors; I found herbs that reduce blood sugar and detoxify the body > are a real help.> > Based on this, I think my problems maybe related to yeast and > candida, since acetaldehyde(bi-product of yeast) blocks the > conversion of T4 to T3.> > http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/related-> conditions/thyroid-treatments/> > I am currently taking the following:-> > Fenugreek(Helps reduce blood sugar, also yeast does not like this > herb)> Barley Grass Juice(Helps to remove acetaldehyde)> N-Acetyl Cysteine(Helps regulate blood sugar and detoxify liver)> Zinc.(Required by enzyme for T4 to T3 conversion)> Selenium(Required by enzyme for T4 to T3 conversion)> Iodine from kelp.> > I feel much better but not perfect, I am therefore considering a > trial of Armour, since this contains T3 which I may have a lack of > due to the yeast or other toxic substance, such as mercury in my > fillings or the fluoride in the mouthwash I use.> > Anyone else had problems with your doctor thinking that your > problems are psychological after providing them with a list of > symptoms and possible causes?> > I've given up on doctors! My problems have just been made worse by > doctors, my improvements have come from my own investigations.> > Since I've no choice but to self prescribe, I'm interested in any > feedback from people who have tried alternative medicines(Chinese > Yin/Yang thing, herbs etc), also I'd like to know the best place to > get Armour online.

You have certainly done your homework and have obviously read a great deal about this disease and you are therefore on the right road. If the above doesn't work and you are still being refused a trial period of thyroid hormone replacement, then you have no option but to take your health into your own hands. Although you mention such things as chinese herbs etc, the fact is that if you ARE hypothyroid and not putting out the thyroid hormones your body requires, the only thing that will work is thyroid hormone replacement, either synthetic or natural - there is no substitute.

I would mention three things you should first take care of. One is low adrenal reserve. You can get a 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done through NPTech Services (have a look in the FILES section of this forum and you can see a list of the tests and the prices they charge). This test will tell you where your cortisol and DHEA levels lie at 4 specific times during the day. If you do suffer with low adrenal reserve, you will need to boost your adrenals BEFORE starting on any thyroid hormone replacement.

Two, you could be suffering with Candida Albicans. Take a glass of water up to bed with you tonight and first thing in the morning, spit into the top of the water and after a while, if you see thin threads going towards the bottom of the glass, or the water goes cloudy, this is an indication you could be suffering with this disease. Go to our FILES again and do the Candida Questionnaire (also do the Adrenal Questionnaire) and see how you score. You may need to treat this again BEFORE you start thyroid hormone replacement.

Three, you could have a low ferritin level (stored iron). Ask your GP to give you a blood test to see if this is the case. If you do have a low ferritin, you would need to take some form of elemental iron, such as Ferrous sulphate 200 mgs. to build up oyour iron reserve.

All of the abofe will stop any thyroid hormone replacement from being absorbed so it is essential you find out whether you suffer from any (or all) of these and get them boosted or treated.

Do you know whether your GP tested your blood to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid. Ask for the results and if you have not been tested, ask for this test. If you have antibodies to your thyroid, they see your thyroid tissue as public enemy number one and set about destroying it, thus your thyroid will be unable to put out the hormone your body requires.

I know this sounds a lot to think about and to do, but take one step at a time and you will gradually get there.

Read everything you can about natural thyroid extract (Armour Thyroid, USP) on our website and in our FILES. Read also the paper "how to Use Armour" and you will find the details in there where to purchase it and how to use it. You MUST follow the recommendations there because natural thyroid extract contains ALL the thyroid hormones your body needs and you must take great care with medicating yourself so that you don't take too much, as the T3 and T2 in Armour are VERY active.

Hope this helps.

luv - Sheila

> > Thanks.>

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Thanks, my dad is currently using progesterone cream, he has suffered with extreme tiredness since his late twenties, unfortunately he never found the answer to his problems and gave up work; as long as I've known him he's always gone to bed after a meal, it seems he's passed on his problems to me, since I got ill at 29, I'm now 35. He is in his 70's now and says he doesn't have enough testosterone, the progesterone somehow helps. GILL <gilljohnthurgo@...> wrote: Hi Glyn, alongside everything that Sheila has told you - I presume you are male from your name, and you might think Im mad for suggesting this - but natural progesterone cream is apparently helpful for men as well as women for balancing hormones. Ive found this stopped my dizziness which I think was hypoglycaemia and at times very bad - having to hold onto my chair as I felt I would fall off it! Its made such a difference that I would strongly suggest that you look into this www.progesterone.co.uk - its not the cheapest but is high quality and you probably use less in the long run. Steer away from the ones with Yam seems to be something to remember. Gill .

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Just spoke to my doctor, he said the lab's normal range is 0.35 to 6.9, I am 4.1, unfortunately there is no measurement of T3 or antibodies, he said what I am talking about is beyond his knowledge and I must therefore see a specialist, basically he will not give medication unless a specialist has said ok, seems a GP is just good for coughs and colds! He also hinted again that my problems could be in my mind! I mentioned treating myself with Armour or something else, he was happy for me to do that, since he can only prescribe medication if lab results and a specialist show a need, otherwise he would risk getting struck off. Basically I am wasting time and money trying to seek an answer to my problems with GP's and the NHS, I need to do my own investigations and self prescribe.sheilaturner <sheilaturner@...> wrote: Hi Glyn Did your doctor ever go further into finding out whether or not you did have a yeast infection. You could be suffering with Candida Albicans and you can find out more about this by going to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and clicking on "Hypothyroidism" in the Menu. On the drop down Menu, click on "Associated Conditions" and read all about the symptoms, diagnosing and treatment of Candida

Albicans. I realise your doctor says you do not have diabetes but will get it in later life. You need to talk to him further about this problem and what you can do to prevent this from happening? Regarding the strange tingling and feeling like a battery being placed on your tongue, this can happen if you are short of certain minerals and hopefully, Bob will be able to help you out on this one. Has your doctor given you a full thyroid function test, if so, do get the results from your surgery together with the reference ranges for each test and post them here, even if your doctor said they were "normal". If you haven't had a full TFT, then ask your doctor to give you one. You should also be tested to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid and ask him also to test to see where your

ferritin (stored iron) level lies. Luv - Sheila .

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HI Glyn

You are probably correct. If the NHS refuse to treat you, then there is nothing else left but for you to look after yourself. We have plenty of information in our FILES on the forum and in our website, so read, read and then read again to make doubly sure you understand exactly what we have written and the reasons why you need to follow recommendations as closely as possible.

I would defionitely check out that you don't suffer with low adrenal reserve and get that treated first, also candida albicans. Check that your Ferritin is in a good place. If all these are OK, then fine, your thyroid hormone replacement should work, but if any of them are not fine, then the thyroid hormone replacement simply will not work. So, get it right from the start and you should be fine.

luv - Sheila

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Just spoke to my doctor, he said the lab's normal range is 0.35 to 6.9, I am 4.1, unfortunately there is no measurement of T3 or antibodies, he said what I am talking about is beyond his knowledge and I must therefore see a specialist, basically he will not give medication unless a specialist has said ok, seems a GP is just good for coughs and colds!

He also hinted again that my problems could be in my mind!

I mentioned treating myself with Armour or something else, he was happy for me to do that, since he can only prescribe medication if lab results and a specialist show a need, otherwise he would risk getting struck off.

Basically I am wasting time and money trying to seek an answer to my problems with GP's and the NHS, I need to do my own investigations and self prescribe.sheilaturner <sheilaturnertpa-uk (DOT) org.uk> wrote:

Hi Glyn

Did your doctor ever go further into finding out whether or not you did have a yeast infection. You could be suffering with Candida Albicans and you can find out more about this by going to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and clicking on "Hypothyroidism" in the Menu. On the drop down Menu, click on "Associated Conditions" and read all about the symptoms, diagnosing and treatment of Candida Albicans. I realise your doctor says you do not have diabetes but will get it in later life. You need to talk to him further about this problem and what you can do to prevent this from happening?

Regarding the strange tingling and feeling like a battery being placed on your tongue, this can happen if you are short of certain minerals and hopefully, Bob will be able to help you out on this one.

Has your doctor given you a full thyroid function test, if so, do get the results from your surgery together with the reference ranges for each test and post them here, even if your doctor said they were "normal". If you haven't had a full TFT, then ask your doctor to give you one. You should also be tested to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid and ask him also to test to see wher e your ferritin (stored iron) level lies.

Luv - Sheila

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