Re: Digest Number 850

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In a message dated 07/23/2000 5:18:06 PM Central Daylight Time,

Vaccinationsegroups writes:

<< Very nice article but 1 tiny little line about vaccines! 1 tiny little

line!

not one mention of MMR (other than link on the side); not one mention of

mercury; not one mention of MMR/autism hearings in D.D; not one mention of

Mercury hearings in D.C. So frustrating. >>

If you click on the link The MMR: Is It Safe?.....it states that it is an

unproven theory that the MMR causes autism. And I believe the last line of

this lovely article states that measles kills! So much for being unbiased. I

am not surprised at all though......Lynn

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In a message dated 4/4/01 11:29:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< I made the mistake of jsut stirring

it with water.....(first Myoplex experience) it was not a

good look/taste. >>

You definately need to use a blender or special shaker cup/container that

allows for good mixing.

[Guest guest]

I love the Myoplex tropical flavors - I use the regular Myoplex, not the lite or deluxe. I put a few ice cubes in it and they are a treat actually!! Especially the pina colada!!

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

I love the Myoplex tropical flavors - I use the regular Myoplex, not the lite or deluxe. I put a few ice cubes in it and they are a treat actually!! Especially the pina colada!!

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

While its true Bill that Oprah has ASSISTANTS that check her mail (email

as well as snail mail) Its been said that She also has personally

answered letters before......I have a Sister (with CMT) that has read

where she has actually called someone up on the phone after reading mail

she had received from them.....You never really know do you? There is

always that remote possibility......

[Guest guest]

Bob Thanks for your email.

While it's (somewhat) true that private individuals can sue anyone for damages there are some practical restraints on this. It costs money to initiate a lawsuit, and more money to pursue it. Personal injury lawsuits across state lines are very difficult, even if the plaintiff obtains a favorable judgement it is very difficult and expensive to collect from someone who doesn't have money or doesn't want to pay. So called 'frivolous' and 'nuisance' lawsuits are almost always against persons or companies known to have ''deep pockets." Moreover the plaintiff must prove that he or she has been damaged. I've never heard of any one successfully making such a claim against someone who answers a question. I really doubt that any lawyer would take such a case on a contigency basis since the chance of being compensated for his time is close to zero. Equally likely one could be sued for refusing to give advice!

But this is far afield from the claim that federal law provides enormous fines for unlicensed medical advice. Who wrote that on the website and what was his or her reference? I wish to avoid violating federal law but I don't wish to be frightened by shadows. wrote:From: bobluhrs@...Subject: Re: medical advice...in this litigacious world, private people can sue anyone for damages..> I notice the warning about `medical advice' and I question whether > there is such a law.______________________________________________________________________ , Thanks for your response.

The FTC as we all know is the federal TRADE commission. It deals with trade questions, not medical questions, issues like 'false and misleading advertising', underweight packaging and such. From the quoted notice below it seems that the issue is "product information". I would guess that as soon as she removes all references to her unapproved medical device and/or withdraws the device from interstate trade the FTC won't care what claims or advice she has on the website. Neither the ftc nor the fda has prosecuted her for the claims in such books as "The Cure for all Cancers" except when used for promoting products and devices.Message: 5Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:51:26 -0000From: " Miles" Subject: RE: medical adviceThe FTC is trying to close down Dr 's web site. This is the notice thatis showing on her site right now.Dear Customer,The Federal Trade Commission is trying to shut down our web site.

Until thenext hearing on October 30 we have reached a temporary agreement with theCommission to remove all information from this web site. We cannot displayany product related information here. Thank you for understanding.I really hope that Dr wins her court case for the sake of allalternative treatments like hers that actually work. Miles.----

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Just loaded the service pack. It's a great plus for my protection,

stabilized my Word, and has had no impact on the software. Go ahead, in my

opinion.

Re: BioExpl wav reward questions

,

Attached is a design that keeps a score, syncs the audio and score, and

will play a periodic reward sound at an interval of (x) scores.

The design is pretty straight forward. Looking at the properties on

the counters will give you and idea about how it is set up/'

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On Sep 10, 2004, at 12:02 AM, wrote:

> Hi ,

> Well, my first problem after reviewing your instructions was that I

> had no

> trigger input on my audio player object. This was remedied by

> downloading the

> latest Beta version of BE. ( I was running 99.5)

> This helped immensely! Now my encouragement wavs are playing at

> nicely spaced

> intervals. I'd still like to see your design though.. and any good

> examples

> you might have for scoring algorithms for an overall score display.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

>

> , Ph.D. BCIAC

> http://www.Biofeedback.net

> On-Line Biofeedback resources

> Free E-mail YourName@...

>

>

> Quoting <gmartin@...>:

>

>> ,

>>

>> I have a design that can be easily modified, that will give a period

>> reward at set intervals of points, Let me know if you would like to

>> take a look at it.

>>

>>

>> On Sep 9, 2004, at 10:03 AM, wrote:

>>

>>> Great! Thanks , I'll give this a try.

>>> This is just a piece of a more involved design that does have regular

>>> reinforcement for meeting threshold (tone + video) and this part was

>>> supposed

>>> to be the more periodic component.

>>> thanks again,

>>>

>>>

>>> Quoting <gmartin@...>:

>>>

>>>> ,

>>>>

>>>> From the sound of it you are using the enable input on the audio

>>>> player. Longer sounds do tend to cut in and out.

>>>>

>>>> You can fix this by connecting the pass/fail of the threshold to a

>>>> counter. Set the counter properties to 'time high' and trigger

>>>> every

>>>> .250 seconds. (vary this according to you preferences) If you

>>>> are

>>>> using a longer sound file set the trigger every to a value just a

>>>> bit

>>>> longer than the sound you are using. Connect the trigger output of

>>>> the

>>>> counter to the trigger input on the audio player.

>>>>

>>>> In the audio player properties click on the settings tab and make

>>>> sure

>>>> it is set to repeat, not to restart on trigger.

>>>>

>>>> Now the sound will play every (interval set by you) seconds.

>>>>

>>>> I tend to use shorter sounds for reinforcement, as it seems that the

>>>> constant playing of a sound when thresholds are met is a better

>>>> reinforcement. I use longer sounds as periodic rewards for scoring

>>>> a

>>>> certain number of points.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Sep 8, 2004, at 9:43 PM, wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Hi All,

>>>>> I'm fairly new to BE and am able to trigger my " reward " aif

>>>>> (encouragement)

>>>>> files

>>>>> When Theta is below auto threshold. The files a pretty small

>>>>> approx

>>>>> 1

>>>>> second -

>>>>> 2 sec max. such as a vocal " good job! " etc.,

>>>>> However, they get interupted if theta climbs back over threshold.

>>>>> Usually they play through, but,

>>>>> can I change the settings so that it will play the whole file (even

>>>>> if

>>>>> theta

>>>>> climbs back over Threshold?

>>>>>

>>>>> Also, is there a way to change the target percentage or avg epoch

>>>>> so

>>>>> that it

>>>>> triggers the files less frequently?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks,

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> , Ph.D. BCIAC

>>>>> http://www.Biofeedback.net

>>>>> On-Line Biofeedback resources

>>>>> Free E-mail YourName@...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

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Violeta,

Do you have it translated in English, so I know what it exactly says?

Thanks,

Cunha, RD

goliveoyl22@...

Your spanish handout has definitely been a help!

Thanks for sharing it.

RE: Spanish handouts for Rou-n-y

HI ,

I've posted some handouts some time ago. Since you can

not access the files, I'll be happy to send it to you

by e-mail tomorrow (I'm out of the office now!)

Violeta Moizé, R.D

Unidad Funcional de Obesidad

Hospital Clinico y Universitario

Barcelona

Spain

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[Guest guest]

I love good wit! Basically I am presuming that the majority of the human

species is slowly decimating itself. Evolutinary wise, our bodies can not

evolve fast enough to keep up with the monumental technological and scientific

changes that are taking place in our world. I look in the obituaries and see

people dying at younger and younger ages. I see families taking walks and

they're all overweight. I see the latest popular diseases for kids being

promoted in the schools and parents jumping on the band wagon while the

pharmaceutical companies reel in the profits. I see commericials for made-up

diseases like " restless leg syndrome " - " side effects include heart failure,

blindness, brain damage, falling-off of extremities, forceful vomitting. (he he)

Doesn't any question why we have a drug for male impotency? why is it all of a

sudden that kids have heartburn? Does anyone wonder how our ancestors lived at

all without the " fabulous and life-saving " knowledge of the

pharmaceutical companies? (sarcastic) I don't need a pill to fall asleep, I

need to not eat a Big Mac with fries at 8:00 pm and wash it down with a

frappuccino! I don't need a pill to stop aid my inability to digest my food, I

need to not eat processed food in a box. It just amazes me what this world

eats, and what amazes me more is the fact that so many people take disease as

just a natural part of life and ignorantly take that prescription medicine

instead of taking control of their diet.

Kristi

wrote:

There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. adaptation

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

2. Re: adaptation

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 2:49 pm (PDT)

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

Subject: adaptation

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 6:45 pm (PDT)

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

Subject: Re: adaptation

Hilarious Mark! Until I was 18 I ate what my parents did. Then I took B vitamins

for the first time and realized how compromised I really was. I literally

thought to myself: how could I have functioned like I was. Also I lost 5 pounds

in a few days and stopped getting sick thereafter; ie colds and flues. I think

that most of America is subclinically deficient. Meaning it doesn't show up in

their tests! They are severly compromised and they don't even know it.

Mark <003marklanders@...> wrote:

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

[Guest guest]

Restless Leg Syndrome, which affects millions of Americans, including me, is a

neurological disorder which can be genetic. If some one made it up and those of

us who began experiencing it as children caught it by psychosomatic osmosis (I

did just make that up, thank you.) it is still very real to us. Most of the side

effects are caused by lack of proper sleep and intrinsic factor. Also, Dear One,

my life has been saved and supported on several occasions by the " " fabulous and

life-saving " knowledge of the pharmaceutical companies " . I don't need to change

your perceptions, but statistically, people are living longer; the parents at my

daughter's school are saddened by the illnesses of their children; and if a man

needs a little blue pill for a good romp, I, for one, am most appreciative. It

would be amazing if the processes here were all about purity of living (clean

air, water, organic food) but they aren't. And yet, somehow, it's really all

quite beautiful, isn't it? Our

Joy, gracefulness, higher knowing,

are always right here, because what is really happening, that is, what I see,

are people reclaiming their souls in a unity and connection so vast, that I

cannot apply my judgment. So, I sprout.

Kristi Hyllen <organicfanatics@...> wrote:

I love good wit! Basically I am presuming that the majority of the human

species is slowly decimating itself. Evolutinary wise, our bodies can not

evolve fast enough to keep up with the monumental technological and scientific

changes that are taking place in our world. I look in the obituaries and see

people dying at younger and younger ages. I see families taking walks and

they're all overweight. I see the latest popular diseases for kids being

promoted in the schools and parents jumping on the band wagon while the

pharmaceutical companies reel in the profits. I see commericials for made-up

diseases like " restless leg syndrome " - " side effects include heart failure,

blindness, brain damage, falling-off of extremities, forceful vomitting. (he he)

Doesn't any question why we have a drug for male impotency? why is it all of a

sudden that kids have heartburn? Does anyone wonder how our ancestors lived at

all without the " fabulous and life-saving " knowledge of the

pharmaceutical companies? (sarcastic) I don't need a pill to fall asleep, I

need to not eat a Big Mac with fries at 8:00 pm and wash it down with a

frappuccino! I don't need a pill to stop aid my inability to digest my food, I

need to not eat processed food in a box. It just amazes me what this world

eats, and what amazes me more is the fact that so many people take disease as

just a natural part of life and ignorantly take that prescription medicine

instead of taking control of their diet.

Kristi

wrote:

There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. adaptation

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

2. Re: adaptation

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 2:49 pm (PDT)

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

Subject: adaptation

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 6:45 pm (PDT)

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

Subject: Re: adaptation

Hilarious Mark! Until I was 18 I ate what my parents did. Then I took B vitamins

for the first time and realized how compromised I really was. I literally

thought to myself: how could I have functioned like I was. Also I lost 5 pounds

in a few days and stopped getting sick thereafter; ie colds and flues. I think

that most of America is subclinically deficient. Meaning it doesn't show up in

their tests! They are severly compromised and they don't even know it.

Mark <003marklanders@...> wrote:

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

[Guest guest]

Joy, gracefulness, higher knowing, Are always right here, because what is

really happening, that is, what I see, are people reclaiming their souls in

a unity and connection so vast, that I cannot apply my judgment. So, I

sprout.

This was beautifully said. And very uplifting. I have noticed this too.

Thank you.

As a side note, I have restless feet, especially after eating anything that

has any kind of sugar, even the sugar in fruit! And have found something

called Jin Shin Jyutsu Main Central Vertical Flow relieves it is a about 3

minutes. It only happens at night and the self treatment work really well.

If you are interested I can type up the instructions and e-mail them to you

directly. Diane sunflowr@...

-- Re: Digest Number 850

Restless Leg Syndrome, which affects millions of Americans, including me, is

a neurological disorder which can be genetic. If some one made it up and

those of us who began experiencing it as children caught it by psychosomatic

osmosis (I did just make that up, thank you.) it is still very real to us.

Most of the side effects are caused by lack of proper sleep and intrinsic

factor. Also, Dear One, my life has been saved and supported on several

occasions by the " " fabulous and life-saving " knowledge of the pharmaceutical

companies " . I don't need to change your perceptions, but statistically,

people are living longer; the parents at my daughter's school are saddened

by the illnesses of their children; and if a man needs a little blue pill

for a good romp, I, for one, am most appreciative. It would be amazing if

the processes here were all about purity of living (clean air, water,

organic food) but they aren't. And yet, somehow, it's really all quite

beautiful, isn't it? Our

Joy, gracefulness, higher knowing,

are always right here, because what is really happening, that is, what I

see, are people reclaiming their souls in a unity and connection so vast,

that I cannot apply my judgment. So, I sprout.

[Guest guest]

How can you expect drugs to be an answer? I heard a Nobel prize winning doctor

state that their long term use leads to a diseased states. Our drug solution to

disease is creating disease down the line. Pharmaceuticals are dangerous.

cynthia wilson <cynthia-wilson@...> wrote:

Restless Leg Syndrome, which affects millions of Americans, including me, is a

neurological disorder which can be genetic. If some one made it up and those of

us who began experiencing it as children caught it by psychosomatic osmosis (I

did just make that up, thank you.) it is still very real to us. Most of the side

effects are caused by lack of proper sleep and intrinsic factor. Also, Dear One,

my life has been saved and supported on several occasions by the " " fabulous and

life-saving " knowledge of the pharmaceutical companies " . I don't need to change

your perceptions, but statistically, people are living longer; the parents at my

daughter's school are saddened by the illnesses of their children; and if a man

needs a little blue pill for a good romp, I, for one, am most appreciative. It

would be amazing if the processes here were all about purity of living (clean

air, water, organic food) but they aren't. And yet, somehow, it's really all

quite beautiful, isn't it? Our

Joy, gracefulness, higher knowing,

are always right here, because what is really happening, that is, what I see,

are people reclaiming their souls in a unity and connection so vast, that I

cannot apply my judgment. So, I sprout.

Kristi Hyllen <organicfanatics@...> wrote:

I love good wit! Basically I am presuming that the majority of the human

species is slowly decimating itself. Evolutinary wise, our bodies can not

evolve fast enough to keep up with the monumental technological and scientific

changes that are taking place in our world. I look in the obituaries and see

people dying at younger and younger ages. I see families taking walks and

they're all overweight. I see the latest popular diseases for kids being

promoted in the schools and parents jumping on the band wagon while the

pharmaceutical companies reel in the profits. I see commericials for made-up

diseases like " restless leg syndrome " - " side effects include heart failure,

blindness, brain damage, falling-off of extremities, forceful vomitting. (he he)

Doesn't any question why we have a drug for male impotency? why is it all of a

sudden that kids have heartburn? Does anyone wonder how our ancestors lived at

all without the " fabulous and life-saving " knowledge of the

pharmaceutical companies? (sarcastic) I don't need a pill to fall asleep, I

need to not eat a Big Mac with fries at 8:00 pm and wash it down with a

frappuccino! I don't need a pill to stop aid my inability to digest my food, I

need to not eat processed food in a box. It just amazes me what this world

eats, and what amazes me more is the fact that so many people take disease as

just a natural part of life and ignorantly take that prescription medicine

instead of taking control of their diet.

Kristi

wrote:

There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. adaptation

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

2. Re: adaptation

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 2:49 pm (PDT)

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

Subject: adaptation

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 6:45 pm (PDT)

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

Subject: Re: adaptation

Hilarious Mark! Until I was 18 I ate what my parents did. Then I took B vitamins

for the first time and realized how compromised I really was. I literally

thought to myself: how could I have functioned like I was. Also I lost 5 pounds

in a few days and stopped getting sick thereafter; ie colds and flues. I think

that most of America is subclinically deficient. Meaning it doesn't show up in

their tests! They are severly compromised and they don't even know it.

Mark <003marklanders@...> wrote:

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

[Guest guest]

When I was 39, I experienced a massive anterior myocardial infarction due to a

congenital stricture in the descending artery. This condition would have made

itself known earlier were it not for a lifetime of vegetarianism, wheatgrass

juice, shoots and sprouts. The only place to go was the emergency room where

they administered everything in their arsenal to keep me alive. If there were an

integrative medical clinic in the small midwestern town I was passing through,

would they have been able to help me? In the three days following I experienced

three more heart attacks and there was always some there doing the best they

knew how. They had to keep me on a morphine drip for 8 days to prevent critical

heart spasms. There wasn't anything else.That's the way it is. They did not

expect me to live. I left the hospital with 7 (ugh!) prescriptions, a heart

monitor strapped to my chest and the ability to walk for about 30 seconds. Of

course, I upped my wheatgrass grass to 2 ounces a

day, did what the rehab nurse told me and 3 months later had weaned myself off

the meds AMA. Eight years later, I'm still med-free. I never took meds for the

RLS, but discovered the cause by keeping a diet diary. Those vegetarian cutlets

are full of MSG. My point was, the RLS was real.

Anyway, drugs were the only answer available. Maybe that will change someday,

but it is the process in place right now. Let me end on a poignant note. The ER

Doc worked very hard on me, barking orders like he was in a drama, yet talking

to me the whole time about what he was doing and why. When it looked like I

wasn't going to make it, he did something very unusual. He grabbed me by the

lapels, pulled me up to a sitting position, sat down on the bed, and hugged me,

one hand petting the back of my head, all the while whispering in my ear, " Stay

with me, . Stay with me. I'm right here. Stay with me. " I was filled with

a knowing that I would live, and filled with the divine energy he was

channeling. I stabilized and he stayed by my bedside for a long time petting my

head and murmuring that, " Everything's going to all right. You're going to be

just fine. " And I am.

mitch raemsch <macromitch@...> wrote:

How can you expect drugs to be an answer? I heard a Nobel prize

winning doctor state that their long term use leads to a diseased states. Our

drug solution to disease is creating disease down the line. Pharmaceuticals are

dangerous.

cynthia wilson <cynthia-wilson@...> wrote:

Restless Leg Syndrome, which affects millions of Americans, including me, is a

neurological disorder which can be genetic. If some one made it up and those of

us who began experiencing it as children caught it by psychosomatic osmosis (I

did just make that up, thank you.) it is still very real to us. Most of the side

effects are caused by lack of proper sleep and intrinsic factor. Also, Dear One,

my life has been saved and supported on several occasions by the " " fabulous and

life-saving " knowledge of the pharmaceutical companies " . I don't need to change

your perceptions, but statistically, people are living longer; the parents at my

daughter's school are saddened by the illnesses of their children; and if a man

needs a little blue pill for a good romp, I, for one, am most appreciative. It

would be amazing if the processes here were all about purity of living (clean

air, water, organic food) but they aren't. And yet, somehow, it's really all

quite beautiful, isn't it? Our

Joy, gracefulness, higher knowing,

are always right here, because what is really happening, that is, what I see,

are people reclaiming their souls in a unity and connection so vast, that I

cannot apply my judgment. So, I sprout.

Kristi Hyllen <organicfanatics@...> wrote:

I love good wit! Basically I am presuming that the majority of the human species

is slowly decimating itself. Evolutinary wise, our bodies can not evolve fast

enough to keep up with the monumental technological and scientific changes that

are taking place in our world. I look in the obituaries and see people dying at

younger and younger ages. I see families taking walks and they're all

overweight. I see the latest popular diseases for kids being promoted in the

schools and parents jumping on the band wagon while the pharmaceutical companies

reel in the profits. I see commericials for made-up diseases like " restless leg

syndrome " - " side effects include heart failure, blindness, brain damage,

falling-off of extremities, forceful vomitting. (he he) Doesn't any question why

we have a drug for male impotency? why is it all of a sudden that kids have

heartburn? Does anyone wonder how our ancestors lived at all without the

" fabulous and life-saving " knowledge of the

pharmaceutical companies? (sarcastic) I don't need a pill to fall asleep, I need

to not eat a Big Mac with fries at 8:00 pm and wash it down with a frappuccino!

I don't need a pill to stop aid my inability to digest my food, I need to not

eat processed food in a box. It just amazes me what this world eats, and what

amazes me more is the fact that so many people take disease as just a natural

part of life and ignorantly take that prescription medicine instead of taking

control of their diet.

Kristi

wrote:

There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. adaptation

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

2. Re: adaptation

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

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Message: 1

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 2:49 pm (PDT)

From: " Mark " 003marklanders@...

Subject: adaptation

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

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Message: 2

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 6:45 pm (PDT)

From: " mitch raemsch " macromitch@...

Subject: Re: adaptation

Hilarious Mark! Until I was 18 I ate what my parents did. Then I took B vitamins

for the first time and realized how compromised I really was. I literally

thought to myself: how could I have functioned like I was. Also I lost 5 pounds

in a few days and stopped getting sick thereafter; ie colds and flues. I think

that most of America is subclinically deficient. Meaning it doesn't show up in

their tests! They are severly compromised and they don't even know it.

Mark <003marklanders@...> wrote:

If humans have adapted to enormously varied diets (see Biochemical Individuality

by Weston Price) then what strange adaptations must be developing today? Think

of it... after decades of McD's slobberburgers and fried greaseatos, cereals

with less nutrition than the cardboard box they're packed in and sodas with

higher acidity than battery acid there must be a response to the extreme

evolutionary pressure. Right now a new form of creature must be oozing it's way

from the plastic seats of all night fast food joints and snack bars... Homo

Lipidus! Perfectly adapted to thrive in it's environment of junk food and

flourescent garishness it will soon demand more and more of the world's

resources to satisfy it's nutrient-deficient hungers.

Um... too much caffeine, too little sleep.

[Guest guest]

.....WOW! I can't imagine what you've been through, and I marvel that

you were so lucky to have a truly caring physician to have embraced you like

that. I am an advocate of NOT using medicine whenever possible, but sometimes

it's a matter of life or death, as in your case. Auto Immune Disease runs

rampant in my family, and it causes a variety of disorders in which the body

attacks itself. I no longer have a working thyroid and would (literally) die

without artificial replacement hormones. My niece was even more unlucky, and it

attacked her pancreas. She survives only by multiple injections of insulin

daily. What's my point? We have to use common sense and balance the good vs.

the evil of modern medicine. Sometimes you need it, and sometimes you can help

yourself instead of relying on drugs, drugs which ultimately causes damage in

and of itself.

I am also a type 2 diabetic and I control it (with my doctor's blessing) by diet

and exercise only--no meds. This is an opportunity for me to help myself,

something a lot of type 2 diabetics don't do. I am also smart enough to know

that I can do nothing significant enough about my thyroid...so be it. I take

the drugs.

I *think* Mitch is referring to taking the many unnecessary drugs that are so

prevalent in today's society, as opposed to life-saving or emergency drugs.

<shrugs shoulders> I could be wrong, heh-heh!

Take care!

--Celia--

P.S. Mitch, you are right about long-term drug use leading to diseased states.

My father, who also has multiple medical afflictions due to auto immune disease,

should have, by all means, died a decade or more ago. One of the medications he

took for survival led to several other health problems (his physicians were

honest up front about what it would do to his body), but it was that or die.

One of the medications that offered better treatment for his initial problem was

known to cause complete blindness in 25% of the patients...needless to say, he

opted NOT to take that one, LOL! He takes the bare minimum for survival, which

means he lives in chronic pain, but guess what? He's alive long after all the

others are all dead! Why? Taking the fewest drugs in the smallest doses he

can, and fighting it all the way with exercise (no matter how painful) and a

healthy, fresh fruit and vegetable diet with lots of whole grains and whole

foods--no meat. His doctor said that despite his other afflictions, he has the

cardio-vascular system of a 25 year old...and he's 71!

Re: Digest Number 850

When I was 39, I experienced a massive anterior myocardial infarction due to a

congenital stricture in the descending artery. This condition would have made

itself known earlier were it not for a lifetime of vegetarianism, wheatgrass

juice, shoots and sprouts. The only place to go was the emergency room where

they administered everything in their arsenal to keep me alive. If there were an

integrative medical clinic in the small midwestern town I was passing through,

would they have been able to help me? In the three days following I experienced

three more heart attacks and there was always some there doing the best they

knew how. They had to keep me on a morphine drip for 8 days to prevent critical

heart spasms. There wasn't anything else.That's the way it is. They did not

expect me to live. I left the hospital with 7 (ugh!) prescriptions, a heart

monitor strapped to my chest and the ability to walk for about 30 seconds. Of

course, I upped my wheatgrass grass to 2 ounces a

day, did what the rehab nurse told me and 3 months later had weaned myself off

the meds AMA. Eight years later, I'm still med-free. I never took meds for the

RLS, but discovered the cause by keeping a diet diary. Those vegetarian cutlets

are full of MSG. My point was, the RLS was real.

Anyway, drugs were the only answer available. Maybe that will change someday,

but it is the process in place right now. Let me end on a poignant note. The ER

Doc worked very hard on me, barking orders like he was in a drama, yet talking

to me the whole time about what he was doing and why. When it looked like I

wasn't going to make it, he did something very unusual. He grabbed me by the

lapels, pulled me up to a sitting position, sat down on the bed, and hugged me,

one hand petting the back of my head, all the while whispering in my ear, " Stay

with me, . Stay with me. I'm right here. Stay with me. " I was filled with

a knowing that I would live, and filled with the divine energy he was

channeling. I stabilized and he stayed by my bedside for a long time petting my

head and murmuring that, " Everything's going to all right. You're going to be

just fine. " And I am.

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