Guest guest Posted August 8, 2000 Report Share Posted August 8, 2000 I really liked this one Dorie. Thanks- Helen > Hope all is well with you today > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Grove/5353/STRENGTH/strength.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 In a message dated 4/7/01 2:25:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, J7450@... writes: > It's helpful too if your doctor uses the medicated patch to numb the area. > They just started using it with about a year ago. Her veins are > extremely narrow and hard to find, so they end up poking her several times. > > It takes an extra hour for the medication to start numbing but it's worth > the > wait. I asked my doctor to prescribe alma creme... you put it on 45 minutes before with a band aid over it.... we use it for every shot and blood test... no tears yet. Best $30 I've ever spent. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 has always been strong. Several people learned the hard way not to arm wrestle with him. He has a fear of lying on his back up on something, but if you will let him lie on his stomach you can do anything. He won't swim on his back either, he bit his swimming teacher when she tried to make him. Left a scar. He just panicked. When he was in the hospital for his surgery , it was a major problem to move him from bed to cart, etc. He didn't scream or anything, just hung on to the bed rails or anything else he could. I would peel his fingers off but he could get hold again quicker than I could move. He was just terrified. But if he could do whatever it was in another position it was all right. Now when he has blood drawn he shows them where to get it and they always get a kick out of that. Jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 My daughter is like that. She is now 10 and almost more that we can handle and she is small for her age. When she was little, 3 and 4, everytime they took blood 2 people would come in the room to do it and I wouldn't even let them start until they went and got a 3rd. They didn't like it, but realized I was right after the fact. My technique is: sit in the chair with her in sitting in front of me, wrap my legs around her legs, hold the arm they aren't using down with my arms. That leaves one nurse to help me, one to hold the arm that they are taking blood and one to take the blood. Sounds terrible but it's the best way I've found for her not to get hurt anymore than necessary and they get the blood the fastest and you're done! Caty is okay with clipping nails and cutting hair ....the dentist is our other biggie and we usually have to have her put under for major work. also as far as strength goes.... She walked at 18 months and a few months before that was hanging by her fingertips from my mother in law's kitchen table. I thought that took strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 In a message dated 4/7/2001 1:06:32 PM Central Daylight Time, J7450@... writes: > It's helpful too if your doctor uses the medicated patch to numb the area. > They just started using it with about a year ago. Her veins are > extremely narrow and hard to find, so they end up poking her several times. > > It takes an extra hour for the medication to start numbing but it's worth > the > wait. Especially if your child gets frequent blood tests. > > Jule, Mom to (30 yo w/ ds;deaf';ocd; sleep apnea) > > > > With , when they skip to the " Brad get in here " part it's all over in about a minute. and she doesn't really cry. To bad I can't get it through their heads that the really IS A HARD STICK!!!!! they always think they'll get it. sigh Joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 It's Emla cream but you are right it really works well...there's also a spray called Hurricane spray that you can by without a prescription that works much faster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 started doing much better with haircuts when the new salon we use would not allow others in the back where hair is cut. So, went alone but kept an eye on me. He has the routine down pat now and does very well. He doesn't mind me cutting his nails. He does so so with bloodwork. Once the needle is in, he is fine. The worse part is when he sees folks in lab coats. When he had his EEG, the tech wore a camoflagued scrub suit (he also had the beard and looked like a hunter) and was just perfect for that test. strength > Okay Everyone, Does anyone have problems with the strength of their > children? is so strong. ex: it took 5 of us to hold him down and one > to take the blood last week . He is only 40 lbs and very , very, tiny. He > only wears a size 4 and is almost 8. Usually he is docile and loving, but > when it comes to clipping his nails , cutting his hair , or taking blood, it > is a wrestling match from the gate. Any suggestions? Help! Patty > > Please edit posts when replying! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 In a message dated 4/7/01 7:00:49 PM Central Daylight Time, cindysue@... writes: > When he had his EEG, the tech wore a camoflagued scrub suit (he also > had the beard and looked like a hunter) and was just perfect for > that test. > > > He probably thought the guy was a hunter and he was afraid to move. LOL. Jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2001 Report Share Posted April 7, 2001 We need to hold BJ down too for blood etc. I haold him the same way-he hates hair cuts and nail cuts...also hates doctors and dentists and getting his hair and face washed........ Leis Mum to BJ 3yrs DS ICQ # 8168619 The heart of Man is a gift from God. Take care not to neglect it. Amenemope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Oh, there must be two types then. This is definitely a patch, like a 4X4 size Band-Aid. Jule, Mom to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 Hi, always used to be terrified of blood tests, routine immunization injections, etc and she needed like 4 people to hold her down. You know people with DS have like an extra layer of fat ( i think, Len if this is wrong, dont yell at me) and it is very hard to find their veins. Well, all that has changed big time since she got diabetes and has blood tests like every 3 months now and has to have injections like 3x a day and does some of them herself and checks her b/s 4x a day. But when she was in the hospital when she first got diabetes, they were very insensitive about the blood tests and they wouldnt listen to me about calming her down and distracting her first. Oh, well, shes a real trooper now! She always liked the dentist and we never had a problem there. But he is a spec needs dentist and has a very easy way with her. ~mom to amanda 10 1/2 DS and diabetes type 1 and jesse 6, non DS who by the way puched the peditrician in the face one time when he had to have a routine immunization!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 In a message dated 4/8/01 9:34:26 PM Central Daylight Time, linman42@... writes: > ~mom to amanda 10 1/2 DS and diabetes type 1 and jesse 6, non DS who > by > the way puched the peditrician in the face one time when he had to have a > routine immunization!! > > We knew a little boy who had a shot of some kind and after he was out of > the room he told his mother, I should have punched him right in the face! > had one doctor that would give him things to hold. He'd start > with the stethoscope, and then keep handing him things one at a time till > he really had more than he could hold onto and he was so busy holding all > this stuff he didn't notice the doctor was checking him out. Wonderful > technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 In a message dated 4/10/01 7:36:09 PM Central Daylight Time, rdill@... writes: > On the other hand, she is good at challenging behaviour in other areas. > Different kids .. even with DS, the aren't all the same. So love the > one you got! > > HUGGGGS > > Rick .............. dad to 28 year old Jan > > > Oh, yes, I love the one I've got. didn't much like any of these > things when he was small but by the time he'd been through all the stuff > with 2 surgeries, etc. he got used to it. He even had IV's in his feet. > Has marks from them too. They don't seem to have any trouble with his > veins, thank goodness, and he tells them where and how to do it. Jessie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 > > veins, thank goodness, and he tells them where and how to do it. Politley I hope Leis Mum to BJ 3yrs DS ICQ # 8168619 Inner Peace My therapist told me the way to achieve true inner peace is to finish what I start. So far today, I have finished 2 bags of chips and a Chocolate cake. I feel better already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2001 Report Share Posted April 11, 2001 SOunds like tim, he positively seems to enjoy getting blood taken! He certainly makes less fuss than any other kid I ever saw in out patients, even the bigger ones, and these are all kids who use the anasthetic cream. I don't bother with tim becoz he doesn't mind the needle and it saves 30 minutes on yet another out patient appointment. He had his hair cut yesterday at the barbers and even fell asleep he was so relaxed!! An impressive example to the young man from his school who came in kicking and screaming! Sue Wong> > > Oh, yes, I love the one I've got. didn't much like any of these > > things when he was small but by the time he'd been through all the stuff > > with 2 surgeries, etc. he got used to it. He even had IV's in his feet. > > Has marks from them too. They don't seem to have any trouble with his > > veins, thank goodness, and he tells them where and how to do it. Jessie > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2002 Report Share Posted May 8, 2002 Thanks Connie, I had a good laugh at that waiting list of 20,000. Like I'm ready to sign up right now, just like Publishers Clearing House give away's. Sounds like a good idea if you never really needed it. But thanks for the laugh, it's been a while since I had a good one of those. EFD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Strength is certainly directly related to cross sectional area but no one ever said it was the only variable. Furthermore, in practice, it seems it's actually not even the most significant one. Dmitry Voronov Toronto, Ontario houserules_2000 wrote: > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. > > > Webster, CFC > Kingston, Ontario > > > > Modify or cancel your subscription here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence > if you > wish them to be published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Strength > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? For any # of reasons. CSA is not the ONLY factor of strength. Furthermore, strength can be measured many ways. A person with larger muscles, for instance may have a higher 15 rep max in a given exercise whereas you have a higher 1 rep max. Just one example. In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Of course. this isn't your opinion. This is par for the course. Nobody claims that lifting is purely physical. EVERY weightlifting motion begins with the brain, not the muscles. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > There are a million reasons why this could be so: Differences in training time, starting point, dedication, psychological factors, mechanical advantages (different relative lever lengths can exist even when height, etc. are similar), hormone levels, skill factors, technique/skill levels, attachment lengths, muscle recruitment patterns, etc. > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. It certainly would. However, it is impossible to find twins who have lived " nearly the same life " . There are still going to be massive everyday differences to account for. Whitney Richtmyer Seattle, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Strength > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? For any # of reasons. CSA is not the ONLY factor of strength. Furthermore, strength can be measured many ways. A person with larger muscles, for instance may have a higher 15 rep max in a given exercise whereas you have a higher 1 rep max. Just one example. In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Of course. this isn't your opinion. This is par for the course. Nobody claims that lifting is purely physical. EVERY weightlifting motion begins with the brain, not the muscles. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > There are a million reasons why this could be so: Differences in training time, starting point, dedication, psychological factors, mechanical advantages (different relative lever lengths can exist even when height, etc. are similar), hormone levels, skill factors, technique/skill levels, attachment lengths, muscle recruitment patterns, etc. > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. It certainly would. However, it is impossible to find twins who have lived " nearly the same life " . There are still going to be massive everyday differences to account for. Whitney Richtmyer Seattle, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Strength > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? For any # of reasons. CSA is not the ONLY factor of strength. Furthermore, strength can be measured many ways. A person with larger muscles, for instance may have a higher 15 rep max in a given exercise whereas you have a higher 1 rep max. Just one example. In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Of course. this isn't your opinion. This is par for the course. Nobody claims that lifting is purely physical. EVERY weightlifting motion begins with the brain, not the muscles. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > There are a million reasons why this could be so: Differences in training time, starting point, dedication, psychological factors, mechanical advantages (different relative lever lengths can exist even when height, etc. are similar), hormone levels, skill factors, technique/skill levels, attachment lengths, muscle recruitment patterns, etc. > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. It certainly would. However, it is impossible to find twins who have lived " nearly the same life " . There are still going to be massive everyday differences to account for. Whitney Richtmyer Seattle, WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Cross-sectional area of muscles is only one of several factors that influence strength. There may be several reasons that explain why you can lift more than people with larger muscles than you. One of those factors is lever length. If you have shorter arms and/or legs, it may allow you to lift more than another individual simply because you have to lift the weight over a shorter distance. Another factor that may explain why you can lift more than someone with larger muscles is that you may have more advantageous tendon insertion points. For example, if your biceps tendon attaches a millimeter higher on your humerus than another individual, you will have more leverage and thus the potential to lift more weight. This is the reason that several species of monkeys have far less muscular arms than humans, yet have seemingly superhuman strength. The monkeys have such high strength levels because the tendons of their biceps happen to attach about 2 inches higher up on their arms than the average human. A third factor that may explain your strength levels is neuromuscular efficiency. A person who has a high degree of neuromuscular efficiency can recruit a higher percentage of available muscle fibers than individuals who have a low degree of neuromuscular efficiency. As far as one person having a higher 1-RM but a lower 15-RM than another person, that is likely due to muscle fiber type. The person who can lift more for a 1-RM probably has a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers. Gray Joplin, MO Strength > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? For any # of reasons. CSA is not the ONLY factor of strength. Furthermore, strength can be measured many ways. A person with larger muscles, for instance may have a higher 15 rep max in a given exercise whereas you have a higher 1 rep max. Just one example. In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Of course. this isn't your opinion. This is par for the course. Nobody claims that lifting is purely physical. EVERY weightlifting motion begins with the brain, not the muscles. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > There are a million reasons why this could be so: Differences in training time, starting point, dedication, psychological factors, mechanical advantages (different relative lever lengths can exist even when height, etc. are similar), hormone levels, skill factors, technique/skill levels, attachment lengths, muscle recruitment patterns, etc. > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. It certainly would. However, it is impossible to find twins who have lived " nearly the same life " . There are still going to be massive everyday differences to account for. Whitney Richtmyer Seattle, WA Modify or cancel your subscription here: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Cross-sectional area of muscles is only one of several factors that influence strength. There may be several reasons that explain why you can lift more than people with larger muscles than you. One of those factors is lever length. If you have shorter arms and/or legs, it may allow you to lift more than another individual simply because you have to lift the weight over a shorter distance. Another factor that may explain why you can lift more than someone with larger muscles is that you may have more advantageous tendon insertion points. For example, if your biceps tendon attaches a millimeter higher on your humerus than another individual, you will have more leverage and thus the potential to lift more weight. This is the reason that several species of monkeys have far less muscular arms than humans, yet have seemingly superhuman strength. The monkeys have such high strength levels because the tendons of their biceps happen to attach about 2 inches higher up on their arms than the average human. A third factor that may explain your strength levels is neuromuscular efficiency. A person who has a high degree of neuromuscular efficiency can recruit a higher percentage of available muscle fibers than individuals who have a low degree of neuromuscular efficiency. As far as one person having a higher 1-RM but a lower 15-RM than another person, that is likely due to muscle fiber type. The person who can lift more for a 1-RM probably has a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers. Gray Joplin, MO Strength > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? For any # of reasons. CSA is not the ONLY factor of strength. Furthermore, strength can be measured many ways. A person with larger muscles, for instance may have a higher 15 rep max in a given exercise whereas you have a higher 1 rep max. Just one example. In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Of course. this isn't your opinion. This is par for the course. Nobody claims that lifting is purely physical. EVERY weightlifting motion begins with the brain, not the muscles. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > There are a million reasons why this could be so: Differences in training time, starting point, dedication, psychological factors, mechanical advantages (different relative lever lengths can exist even when height, etc. are similar), hormone levels, skill factors, technique/skill levels, attachment lengths, muscle recruitment patterns, etc. > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. It certainly would. However, it is impossible to find twins who have lived " nearly the same life " . There are still going to be massive everyday differences to account for. Whitney Richtmyer Seattle, WA Modify or cancel your subscription here: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Cross-sectional area of muscles is only one of several factors that influence strength. There may be several reasons that explain why you can lift more than people with larger muscles than you. One of those factors is lever length. If you have shorter arms and/or legs, it may allow you to lift more than another individual simply because you have to lift the weight over a shorter distance. Another factor that may explain why you can lift more than someone with larger muscles is that you may have more advantageous tendon insertion points. For example, if your biceps tendon attaches a millimeter higher on your humerus than another individual, you will have more leverage and thus the potential to lift more weight. This is the reason that several species of monkeys have far less muscular arms than humans, yet have seemingly superhuman strength. The monkeys have such high strength levels because the tendons of their biceps happen to attach about 2 inches higher up on their arms than the average human. A third factor that may explain your strength levels is neuromuscular efficiency. A person who has a high degree of neuromuscular efficiency can recruit a higher percentage of available muscle fibers than individuals who have a low degree of neuromuscular efficiency. As far as one person having a higher 1-RM but a lower 15-RM than another person, that is likely due to muscle fiber type. The person who can lift more for a 1-RM probably has a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers. Gray Joplin, MO Strength > If strength is directly related to a muscles Cross-Sectional Area > then why are those with larger muscles then me lifting less? For any # of reasons. CSA is not the ONLY factor of strength. Furthermore, strength can be measured many ways. A person with larger muscles, for instance may have a higher 15 rep max in a given exercise whereas you have a higher 1 rep max. Just one example. In my > opinion specific routine and psychological response also plays a role > in what one lifts. Of course. this isn't your opinion. This is par for the course. Nobody claims that lifting is purely physical. EVERY weightlifting motion begins with the brain, not the muscles. Conversely exploring this in more depth, I have a > training partner (my cousin) whos age, weight, height are all > comparable to mine yet I still have more strength in most lifts. Why > would this BE? Any comments are welcome. > There are a million reasons why this could be so: Differences in training time, starting point, dedication, psychological factors, mechanical advantages (different relative lever lengths can exist even when height, etc. are similar), hormone levels, skill factors, technique/skill levels, attachment lengths, muscle recruitment patterns, etc. > It would be interesting to have studies of twins who have lived > nearly the same life with nearly the same training routine with > nearly the same diet etc. and see whether the obtain the same > strength levels. It certainly would. However, it is impossible to find twins who have lived " nearly the same life " . There are still going to be massive everyday differences to account for. Whitney Richtmyer Seattle, WA Modify or cancel your subscription here: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Don't forget to sign all letters with full name and city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Tammie's quote got me thinking about one I read in a book lately. I went digging and found it. " You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face... You must do the thing you think you cannot do. " Eleanor Roosevelt God Bless You and Yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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