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Hi Steve,

>I agree with every thing you said -- what I meant by dead end is there is

not alot you can do about it. I am on the mito list serve & it is very

interesting. I have taken CQ10 and no matter how much I

>take it made no difference.For all I know mito could be the most

significant part of CFS. But until they figure out how to cure it what can

one do.

Ones treatment depends on which complex one has, and doc and pt sometimes

have to play with doses. This is not curable as diabetes isn't, but one can

treat the symtoms to ward off further damage.

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On thing though is since hormones play such a

>significant role is muscle strength why not load up on testosterone & other

hormones (testosterone is a lot cheaper that human growth hormone & yest I

keep track of my PSA). I am not say these are a cure

>but they sure improve ones quality of life.

I wonder if docs would give this to a female ;-)

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I do light weight lifting when ever I can -- bench press my lap top. I do a

few light exercises through out the day so I never over load my muscles. My main

>recreation when I am feeling well is fishing. I fish with lures so I am

constantly casting. I do get a little pain in the back but not to much.

Maybe I will try CQ10 again, by the way DHEA did nothing for

>me. Testosterone rules!

>Steve

I used to lift weights and now the joints don't allow it. I thought of

trying my son's creatine, but it can be dangerous.

Also done DHEA myself for autoimmune stuff and CO=Q 10. I don't stay on

them due to the expense, and worry about this if I have Mito. But I was

feeling better on all the supplements. Testonsterone does sound promising

and I don't argue with success!

Take care,

Christie

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Women can get on testosterone but it is very different doses than men. But if I

was a woman & had severe muscle weakness going with higher doses and dealing

with a little facial hair might be so

bad.

Steve

" C.Tab. " wrote:

> Hi Steve,

>

> >I agree with every thing you said -- what I meant by dead end is there is

> not alot you can do about it. I am on the mito list serve & it is very

> interesting. I have taken CQ10 and no matter how much I

> >take it made no difference.For all I know mito could be the most

> significant part of CFS. But until they figure out how to cure it what can

> one do.

>

> Ones treatment depends on which complex one has, and doc and pt sometimes

> have to play with doses. This is not curable as diabetes isn't, but one can

> treat the symtoms to ward off further damage.

> ------------------------------------

>

> On thing though is since hormones play such a

> >significant role is muscle strength why not load up on testosterone & other

> hormones (testosterone is a lot cheaper that human growth hormone & yest I

> keep track of my PSA). I am not say these are a cure

> >but they sure improve ones quality of life.

>

> I wonder if docs would give this to a female ;-)

> -----------------------------------

>

> I do light weight lifting when ever I can -- bench press my lap top. I do a

> few light exercises through out the day so I never over load my muscles. My

main

> >recreation when I am feeling well is fishing. I fish with lures so I am

> constantly casting. I do get a little pain in the back but not to much.

> Maybe I will try CQ10 again, by the way DHEA did nothing for

> >me. Testosterone rules!

> >Steve

>

> I used to lift weights and now the joints don't allow it. I thought of

> trying my son's creatine, but it can be dangerous.

> Also done DHEA myself for autoimmune stuff and CO=Q 10. I don't stay on

> them due to the expense, and worry about this if I have Mito. But I was

> feeling better on all the supplements. Testonsterone does sound promising

> and I don't argue with success!

>

> Take care,

> Christie

>

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Hi, I wish somebody could explain this.

I understand the mitochondria problem and that CoQ10 and L-carnitin and ATP

can help mito functioning and thus help muscles to work better.

But I thought testosteron can only build up muscles - you have more muscle

mass. I thought mito problem doesn't mean to have really weak muscles - the

muscles miss energy due to bad mito functioning. Can testosteron affect

mitochondrial function?

Thanks in advance

Stania

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>

>

>I agree with every thing you said -- what I meant by dead end is there is

not alot you can do about it. I am on the mito list serve & it is very

interesting. I have taken CQ10 and no matter how much I

>take it made no difference. For all I know mito could be the most

significant part of CFS. But until they figure out how to cure it what can

one do. On thing though is since hormones play such a

>significant role is muscle strength why not load up on testosterone & other

hormones (testosterone is a lot cheaper that human growth hormone & yest I

keep track of my PSA). I am not say these are a cure

>but they sure improve ones quality of life. I do light weight lifting when

ever I can -- bench press my lap top. I do a few light exercises through out

the day so I never over load my muscles. My main

>recreation when I am feeling well is fishing. I fish with lures so I am

constantly casting. I do get a little pain in the back but not to much.

Maybe I will try CQ10 again, by the way DHEA did nothing for

>me. Testosterone rules!

>Steve

>

>

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>Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni

>already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll

>find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at:

>1/3139/2/_/531724/_/956441165/

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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i do not know but that is a very good question. It is also a very complicated

question because testosterone (like human growth hormone) raises the level of

IGF-1. This helps repair muscle damage as

well as increase muscle mass. But we need a real expert to explain this one. Hey

Christie would your Cleveland Neuro take some time to explain this?

Steve

Stanislava Mužíková wrote:

> Hi, I wish somebody could explain this.

> I understand the mitochondria problem and that CoQ10 and L-carnitin and ATP

> can help mito functioning and thus help muscles to work better.

> But I thought testosteron can only build up muscles - you have more muscle

> mass. I thought mito problem doesn't mean to have really weak muscles - the

> muscles miss energy due to bad mito functioning. Can testosteron affect

> mitochondrial function?

> Thanks in advance

> Stania

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Donna, I'm on that yeast treatment program. I bought it at a local health

food store and have used it mixed in water every morning for several months.

I thought I'd gag the first few days of drinking it but the difference was

felt almost immediately. It works beautifully. Don't forget to take

acidolphous in the evening though. You have to replace the bacteria with the

good stuff. Here it is sold as a Yeast Buster's kit. Worth every penny.

ne

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Hi Judy,

I have been dutifully drinking green tea daily, along with using

grapeseed oil in cooking, salad dsgs etc, and taking 1300 mg of EPO per day

for the past 4 1/2 months. I tapered off the MTX at Christmas time, and

overall, feeling better than I have for a long time. I especially notice the

stiffness and gets worse if I forget the tea for a couple days. I recently

found constant coment green tea which has a little orange and spice in it

thats really good.

in Wisconsin

<< Green Tea

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In a message dated 1/30/2001 8:06:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, clonan@... writes:

I recently found constant coment green tea which has a little orange and spice in it thats really good.

in Wisconsin

,

Is constant coment a brand name of green tea?

Joanne ( Ohio )

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> Is there such a thing as green tea in pill form? I would love to

try

> it but can't stand the taste (or even the smell.)

>

> in Illinois

Hey ,

I drink Salada decaffienated tea with citrus flavors and love it but

for those who think its nasty, I believe there is a pill. Probably

just ask at a good healthfood store.

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I agree , the Gold Bond lotion is great as is the Gold Bond powder.

Since I think I am Evil Knievel on my mountain bike I usually have a good

case of road rash going on my legs and elbows. When the abrasions start to

heal and scab up the itching is enough to drive you nuts. The Gold Bond

products are great. They sooth poison oak as well. OK, Gold Bond, send me my

commission check.

Regards,

BC

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< >

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 863

> For itchy hands I use Baby Gold Bond lotion....seems to help quite

> well....I use the extra strength.

>

>

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Hummm.....Bill you better watch that mountain bike and road rash! Are you

wearing a helmet? My son, who is 17 yrs. old just started working part-time

at the Honda Four-Wheeler dealership. He is learning to " work " on four

wheelers and motorcycles. He just started the job and now he just has to

have a four wheeler!

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill , Digitec Security <BILL@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:27 AM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 863

> I agree , the Gold Bond lotion is great as is the Gold Bond powder.

> Since I think I am Evil Knievel on my mountain bike I usually have a good

> case of road rash going on my legs and elbows. When the abrasions start

to

> heal and scab up the itching is enough to drive you nuts. The Gold Bond

> products are great. They sooth poison oak as well. OK, Gold Bond, send me

my

> commission check.

> Regards,

> BC

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <cat926@...>

> < >

> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM

> Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 863

>

>

> > For itchy hands I use Baby Gold Bond lotion....seems to help quite

> > well....I use the extra strength.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I always wear a helmet even if I am pedaling 3 blocks to the market. What

little brains I have need protection. Although many of our kids today think

helmets are uncool, uncool is spending the rest of your life with a feeding

tube in your mouth and no brain waves. I to have a passion for anything on

two wheels, I have been riding motorcycles for 30 years.Four wheelers are

great fun too! Being able to do your own " wrenching " is a big plus. Good for

your son. Make sure he takes you for a ride and wear that helmet.

regards,

BC

----- Original Message -----

From: <lisarich.com@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 863

> Hummm.....Bill you better watch that mountain bike and road rash! Are you

> wearing a helmet? My son, who is 17 yrs. old just started working

part-time

> at the Honda Four-Wheeler dealership. He is learning to " work " on four

> wheelers and motorcycles. He just started the job and now he just has to

> have a four wheeler!

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Bill , Digitec Security <BILL@...>

> < >

> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 10:27 AM

> Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 863

>

>

> > I agree , the Gold Bond lotion is great as is the Gold Bond powder.

> > Since I think I am Evil Knievel on my mountain bike I usually have a

good

> > case of road rash going on my legs and elbows. When the abrasions start

> to

> > heal and scab up the itching is enough to drive you nuts. The Gold Bond

> > products are great. They sooth poison oak as well. OK, Gold Bond, send

me

> my

> > commission check.

> > Regards,

> > BC

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: <cat926@...>

> > < >

> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:54 AM

> > Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 863

> >

> >

> > > For itchy hands I use Baby Gold Bond lotion....seems to help quite

> > > well....I use the extra strength.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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That MTV " documentary " was sent to me as well. I wrote

back to Mr. Motta, and he basically declined to give

further information, or to speak to my parents about

any information he would use in his film.

Just thought that was worth passing along,

Dan Kennedy Wrote:

>

> Just passing this on. Caveat emptor.

>

> Dan Kennedy

> Internet services coordinator

> Little People of America, Inc.

> http://www.lpaonline.org

>

> >X-eGroups-Return: Ron.Motta@...

> >From: " Motta, Ron " <Ron.Motta@...>

> > " 'dwarfism-owner ' "

> <dwarfism-owner >

> >Subject: MTV Documentary on Little People

> >Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 14:58:47 -0400

> >X-eGroups-Moderators: dwarfism

> >

> >To whom it may concern,

> >

> >My name is Ron Motta and I'm currently working on a

> documentary series

> >called " True Life " here at MTV. We're currently

> gearing up for next season

> >and one of the ideas for an episode we had was

> " True Life: I'm A Little

> >Person. " Basically, we're looking to follow and

> interview young (teens to

> >twenties) little people around to get a sense of

> their lives and their

> >stories. I am writing to you because I would like

> you to pass on the

> >message at the end of this e-mail to the members of

> your group. Right now,

> >we're interviewing people and gathering stories and

> trying to figure out

> >what direction we're going to take from here.

> >

> >I just want to assure you that this isn't going to

> be a sensational tabloid

> >piece...we want to show our audience some of the

> difficulties of growing up

> >as a little person (teen-age years can be difficult

> enough) and also show

> >how little people lead perfectly normal lives, have

> jobs, families, etc.

> >It's going to be a very positive show.

> >

> >Thank you very much for your time and cooperation.

> If you have any

> >questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

> >

> >Sincerely,

> >Ron Motta

> >Production Associate, " True Life "

> >Office: (212)654-6617

> >E-Mail: ron.motta@...

> >

> >

> >MTV DOCUMENTARY ON LITTLE PEOPLE

> >

> >MTV's award-winning documentary series, " True

> Life, " is preparing an episode

> >on young little people for next season. We are

> currently seeking to

> >interview young little people, ages 14-29, for our

> episode.

> >

> >If you are interested in participating and if you

> fit into the above age

> >group, then call me, Ron Motta at (212)654-6617, or

> you can e-mail me at

> >ron.motta@.... I'd be happy to answer any

> questions you may have.

> >

> >Thank you for your time and I look forward to

> hearing from you!

> >

> >Sincerely,

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Hear , hear! (for ABA with older children) We're still doing it with my 16

year old--very successfully. And Marcia, you are so right about what you

said about people who don't do it right, and then think the whole methodology

doesn't work. This is true of people who supposedly try the dietary

restrictions, but never truly remove the offensive foods (never stop

" cheating " )

I also have a friend who is still doing a home program with her 21 year

old--also a patient of Dr. G's as well---he is doing fantastic

Kate

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Thank you Marcia for your inspiring words about your son, . My son is

also and is 4, and we are going to see Dr. Goldberg on October 4. I am

so excited and encouraged by your words, I just wanted to thank you!

Lavandowska (LAVJULIE@...).

PS: If you have any tips for me about going out to see Dr. G, I would

appreciate them!

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I am not sure how to go about replying or posting here to a particular message..

anyway we shall see.. just wanted to add that I was not genotyped at first

either by my doc... he said later that he didnt start to back then .. later

decided to when studies on the different types have shown different results for

genotypes to different treatments ..so he does now.. anyway just wanted to add

that.. Dawn

patriciajean@... writes:

" Usually, the genotype is done along with the

pcr, at least it was with me,

went to the same lab I think. I asked for

genotype even tho I didn't know if

I'd be doing treatment or not. But I needed to

know just for myself. "

When I was told they would do a PCR viral load

test I just assumed it would

include genotype since I thought they went hand

in hand, and was surprised

when Dr. told me yesterday they had not done

genotype test--he said that's

quite expensive. Maybe he thought the insurance

co. would object. He said

the Hep Dr. can decide whether or not to do

further testing, depending on

whether he decides I'm a candidate for treatment

or not. I'm wondering, how

can he (and hopefully I too) make that decision

without knowing all the facts

first? Guess each group of doctors handles these

things a little

differently. Thanks for your message! Torrie

My message to you: Don't worry, be happy!!

Love to hear from YOU!

Dawn

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I am not sure how to go about replying or posting here to a particular message..

anyway we shall see.. just wanted to add that I was not genotyped at first

either by my doc... he said later that he didnt start to back then .. later

decided to when studies on the different types have shown different results for

genotypes to different treatments ..so he does now.. anyway just wanted to add

that.. Dawn

patriciajean@... writes:

" Usually, the genotype is done along with the

pcr, at least it was with me,

went to the same lab I think. I asked for

genotype even tho I didn't know if

I'd be doing treatment or not. But I needed to

know just for myself. "

When I was told they would do a PCR viral load

test I just assumed it would

include genotype since I thought they went hand

in hand, and was surprised

when Dr. told me yesterday they had not done

genotype test--he said that's

quite expensive. Maybe he thought the insurance

co. would object. He said

the Hep Dr. can decide whether or not to do

further testing, depending on

whether he decides I'm a candidate for treatment

or not. I'm wondering, how

can he (and hopefully I too) make that decision

without knowing all the facts

first? Guess each group of doctors handles these

things a little

differently. Thanks for your message! Torrie

My message to you: Don't worry, be happy!!

Love to hear from YOU!

Dawn

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I am not sure how to go about replying or posting here to a particular message..

anyway we shall see.. just wanted to add that I was not genotyped at first

either by my doc... he said later that he didnt start to back then .. later

decided to when studies on the different types have shown different results for

genotypes to different treatments ..so he does now.. anyway just wanted to add

that.. Dawn

patriciajean@... writes:

" Usually, the genotype is done along with the

pcr, at least it was with me,

went to the same lab I think. I asked for

genotype even tho I didn't know if

I'd be doing treatment or not. But I needed to

know just for myself. "

When I was told they would do a PCR viral load

test I just assumed it would

include genotype since I thought they went hand

in hand, and was surprised

when Dr. told me yesterday they had not done

genotype test--he said that's

quite expensive. Maybe he thought the insurance

co. would object. He said

the Hep Dr. can decide whether or not to do

further testing, depending on

whether he decides I'm a candidate for treatment

or not. I'm wondering, how

can he (and hopefully I too) make that decision

without knowing all the facts

first? Guess each group of doctors handles these

things a little

differently. Thanks for your message! Torrie

My message to you: Don't worry, be happy!!

Love to hear from YOU!

Dawn

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I am not sure how to go about replying or posting here to a particular message..

anyway we shall see.. just wanted to add that I was not genotyped at first

either by my doc... he said later that he didnt start to back then .. later

decided to when studies on the different types have shown different results for

genotypes to different treatments ..so he does now.. anyway just wanted to add

that.. Dawn

patriciajean@... writes:

" Usually, the genotype is done along with the

pcr, at least it was with me,

went to the same lab I think. I asked for

genotype even tho I didn't know if

I'd be doing treatment or not. But I needed to

know just for myself. "

When I was told they would do a PCR viral load

test I just assumed it would

include genotype since I thought they went hand

in hand, and was surprised

when Dr. told me yesterday they had not done

genotype test--he said that's

quite expensive. Maybe he thought the insurance

co. would object. He said

the Hep Dr. can decide whether or not to do

further testing, depending on

whether he decides I'm a candidate for treatment

or not. I'm wondering, how

can he (and hopefully I too) make that decision

without knowing all the facts

first? Guess each group of doctors handles these

things a little

differently. Thanks for your message! Torrie

My message to you: Don't worry, be happy!!

Love to hear from YOU!

Dawn

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Hi everyone!

THANK YOU for all the suggestions offered on my sore ear problem. In the last

two days, I gave my ear a rest since I was off from work and staying around the

house. It healed up some.

I will dig through my bag for the other metal earhook part and give it a shot. I

know I got that one but assumed it was for the earmoulds. I also followed

's suggestion that I bend it some more. It worked but I have not given it a

full active day yet. It felt a little slippery but no soreness. I will keep you

posted.

PS I go thru airport security with my 3G on, and no problems with the screeners

or the mappings. It does not even set off the alarm.

IB/

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Dear Caroline,

I'd love to be able to just take spirulina or a green barley or similar

product, but I am very underweight, and I can't imagine fasting or taking

only green barley/spirulina will help me maintain my weight.

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!

Any thoughts?

I'm very desperate (and scared)

Love Emma

P.S Does anyone get colon pain? Not like gas or cramps but like an actual

irritation on the lining of the transverse colon???

It's really painful and also causes nausea.

Re: Re: Metabolic typing

Hello Bee,

Well said. I fully agree with your findings. Dr. Mercola has some good

information, and he has some incomplete information. With that said, I

believe his

heart is in the right place.

As far as metabolic types, blood types, vata/pitta/kapha, etc., Dr. Weston

Price is much more accurate. He researched the healthy and the

not-so-healthy;

including: Eskimos (very healthy), tribes (some healthy some not), Indians

(some healthy some not), etc. from all over the world, and of all the

healthy

people, none of them ate according to body type. We all would benefit from

the

study of his work, and the reading of Nourishing Traditions by Sally

Fallon.

Long Live Bee!

PS Bee, lately I've been drinking 1-2 Tbsp of whey with meals (homemade

from

fermented raw milk) and it seems to have some powerful healing properties.

What are your thoughts?

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