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Undetectable can mean both ..absent or too low to be detected. If one is

continuously that way then

the virus may have gone.

Cirrhosis and fibrosis may however persist as such..like stopped in midtrack.

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Cher...'undectable' means the viral load is below the detectable range on

current tests. No, it does not mean you are in remission. My understanding

is that if a viral load remains undect. for 2 yrs post-TX, you are then

considerecd to be in remission. The virus may be below the current

detectable levels but may still be there alive & kickin' waiting to begin

replicating again. That's why u stay on Tx longer than 3 mos. to help knock

it down when it gets lower. mzgee

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Cher...'undectable' means the viral load is below the detectable range on

current tests. No, it does not mean you are in remission. My understanding

is that if a viral load remains undect. for 2 yrs post-TX, you are then

considerecd to be in remission. The virus may be below the current

detectable levels but may still be there alive & kickin' waiting to begin

replicating again. That's why u stay on Tx longer than 3 mos. to help knock

it down when it gets lower. mzgee

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It is important for newcomers to understand the facts before starting any

treatments.

Question:

What do you mean by " low viral count " and " CD4 counts high " ? Any range of

figures?

" feeling healthy " can be very subjective. One needs some references from the

tests to guide him moving forward on

the treatment options.

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From: Sorensen <travisjsorensen@...>

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Sent: Thu, 29 April, 2010 10:25:48 AM

Subject: Re: Undetectable

There is absolutely no one to my knowledge that has ever gone undetectable

through natural methods. I am a VERY firm believer in natural medicine and am

very much against taking toxic drugs and MANY MANY people have lowered their

viral load and increased their CD4 count though natural methods, but no one has

gone to undetectable through natural methods that I know of. In my humble

opinion though, it does not matter that you never reach an undetectable viral

load, but that you keep it low and your CD4 counts high in order to be healthy.

The goal is to stay healthy. Becoming undetectable through natural means is a

lovely idea, but not attainable for the average hiv+ person as far as I

know.Many people may argue with me on this, but I along with many others have

tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun and nothing natural works for that. That

being said, I would rather have a low viral count from natural methods than be

undetectable through unnatural toxic

methods.

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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It is important for newcomers to understand the facts before starting any

treatments.

Question:

What do you mean by " low viral count " and " CD4 counts high " ? Any range of

figures?

" feeling healthy " can be very subjective. One needs some references from the

tests to guide him moving forward on

the treatment options.

________________________________

From: Sorensen <travisjsorensen@...>

cures for AIDS

Sent: Thu, 29 April, 2010 10:25:48 AM

Subject: Re: Undetectable

There is absolutely no one to my knowledge that has ever gone undetectable

through natural methods. I am a VERY firm believer in natural medicine and am

very much against taking toxic drugs and MANY MANY people have lowered their

viral load and increased their CD4 count though natural methods, but no one has

gone to undetectable through natural methods that I know of. In my humble

opinion though, it does not matter that you never reach an undetectable viral

load, but that you keep it low and your CD4 counts high in order to be healthy.

The goal is to stay healthy. Becoming undetectable through natural means is a

lovely idea, but not attainable for the average hiv+ person as far as I

know.Many people may argue with me on this, but I along with many others have

tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun and nothing natural works for that. That

being said, I would rather have a low viral count from natural methods than be

undetectable through unnatural toxic

methods.

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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I was adviced by my doctor that if i go without the ARV medication my life will

be at stake and immune system at risk..Please advice as i was not on medications

for many months already..Should i take the medications recommended by my

doctor.i heard there are many adverse effects of this medication..it will make a

person feel weak and unable to go to work..

I dont like the idea of medication but i would prefer natural

herbs/food/supplements..Please let me have your opinion..

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From: donjuan69uni@...

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:34:18 -0700

Subject: Re: Undetectable

I respect your opinion and I have seen much of the research behind the non

existance of HIV. The reason people are worked up about numbers is because they

believe the virsus does exist, as do I.

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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I was adviced by my doctor that if i go without the ARV medication my life will

be at stake and immune system at risk..Please advice as i was not on medications

for many months already..Should i take the medications recommended by my

doctor.i heard there are many adverse effects of this medication..it will make a

person feel weak and unable to go to work..

I dont like the idea of medication but i would prefer natural

herbs/food/supplements..Please let me have your opinion..

cures for AIDS

From: donjuan69uni@...

Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:34:18 -0700

Subject: Re: Undetectable

I respect your opinion and I have seen much of the research behind the non

existance of HIV. The reason people are worked up about numbers is because they

believe the virsus does exist, as do I.

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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I tried to get him on here but he's always so " busy " that's why our relationship

never worked, but that's a whole different story.....I'M NOT BITTER!!!  LOL but

I can send you his personal email address if you'd like.   Just send me a

message first. 

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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I tried to get him on here but he's always so " busy " that's why our relationship

never worked, but that's a whole different story.....I'M NOT BITTER!!!  LOL but

I can send you his personal email address if you'd like.   Just send me a

message first. 

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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Hi guys.  Today for the first time since I've been poz for 4 years, I went and

had lab work done.  I had to do this because I filed a disability claim for

chronic upper respiratory problems that antibiotics can't cure.  I've tried all

sorts of natural remedies as well but the infections remain.  The last doc I

went to see in January said that they were fungal infections and very hard to

get rid of.  That's why I filed a disability claim.  I am not working at the

moment and if I get turned down, it's going to be hard to work with these

respiratory problems.  I can do it I think, but thought I'd give disability a

shot first. They're prolly gonna turn me down tho cause I can walk and move

around fairly well.   My glands are visibly swollen and have been for the past

4 years.  Anyways, I had to take labs today and now I have to wait and see what

my adjucator will say once the lab results return to him.  Honestly, I really

don't want to know because

I feel like I do so much better when I don't know.  I feel like when you are

constantly worrying about numbers you get so stressed and in my opinion, you get

sicker from that worry alone.  I stay in good moods most of the time and feel

great other than the chronic upper respiratory problems I have.  I had these

problems long before HIV tho.  I don't let HIV rule my mind and my thoughts.

 I think my attitude has kept me going these past 4 years along with taking

silver.

Randall

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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Hi guys.  Today for the first time since I've been poz for 4 years, I went and

had lab work done.  I had to do this because I filed a disability claim for

chronic upper respiratory problems that antibiotics can't cure.  I've tried all

sorts of natural remedies as well but the infections remain.  The last doc I

went to see in January said that they were fungal infections and very hard to

get rid of.  That's why I filed a disability claim.  I am not working at the

moment and if I get turned down, it's going to be hard to work with these

respiratory problems.  I can do it I think, but thought I'd give disability a

shot first. They're prolly gonna turn me down tho cause I can walk and move

around fairly well.   My glands are visibly swollen and have been for the past

4 years.  Anyways, I had to take labs today and now I have to wait and see what

my adjucator will say once the lab results return to him.  Honestly, I really

don't want to know because

I feel like I do so much better when I don't know.  I feel like when you are

constantly worrying about numbers you get so stressed and in my opinion, you get

sicker from that worry alone.  I stay in good moods most of the time and feel

great other than the chronic upper respiratory problems I have.  I had these

problems long before HIV tho.  I don't let HIV rule my mind and my thoughts.

 I think my attitude has kept me going these past 4 years along with taking

silver.

Randall

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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Do you know anyone with an ozone generator?  You can breathe ozone that's

filtered through olive oil and it is very effective for any lung conditions.

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

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Do you know anyone with an ozone generator?  You can breathe ozone that's

filtered through olive oil and it is very effective for any lung conditions.

From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com>

Subject: Undetectable

" cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com>

Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM

Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of

meds?

Sent from my iPhone

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