Guest guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Undetectable can mean both ..absent or too low to be detected. If one is continuously that way then the virus may have gone. Cirrhosis and fibrosis may however persist as such..like stopped in midtrack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Cher...'undectable' means the viral load is below the detectable range on current tests. No, it does not mean you are in remission. My understanding is that if a viral load remains undect. for 2 yrs post-TX, you are then considerecd to be in remission. The virus may be below the current detectable levels but may still be there alive & kickin' waiting to begin replicating again. That's why u stay on Tx longer than 3 mos. to help knock it down when it gets lower. mzgee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Cher...'undectable' means the viral load is below the detectable range on current tests. No, it does not mean you are in remission. My understanding is that if a viral load remains undect. for 2 yrs post-TX, you are then considerecd to be in remission. The virus may be below the current detectable levels but may still be there alive & kickin' waiting to begin replicating again. That's why u stay on Tx longer than 3 mos. to help knock it down when it gets lower. mzgee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 sharon, congratulations!!! sue and Gidget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 It is important for newcomers to understand the facts before starting any treatments. Question: What do you mean by " low viral count " and " CD4 counts high " ? Any range of figures? " feeling healthy " can be very subjective. One needs some references from the tests to guide him moving forward on the treatment options. ________________________________ From: Sorensen <travisjsorensen@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Thu, 29 April, 2010 10:25:48 AM Subject: Re: Undetectable There is absolutely no one to my knowledge that has ever gone undetectable through natural methods. I am a VERY firm believer in natural medicine and am very much against taking toxic drugs and MANY MANY people have lowered their viral load and increased their CD4 count though natural methods, but no one has gone to undetectable through natural methods that I know of. In my humble opinion though, it does not matter that you never reach an undetectable viral load, but that you keep it low and your CD4 counts high in order to be healthy. The goal is to stay healthy. Becoming undetectable through natural means is a lovely idea, but not attainable for the average hiv+ person as far as I know.Many people may argue with me on this, but I along with many others have tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun and nothing natural works for that. That being said, I would rather have a low viral count from natural methods than be undetectable through unnatural toxic methods. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 It is important for newcomers to understand the facts before starting any treatments. Question: What do you mean by " low viral count " and " CD4 counts high " ? Any range of figures? " feeling healthy " can be very subjective. One needs some references from the tests to guide him moving forward on the treatment options. ________________________________ From: Sorensen <travisjsorensen@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Thu, 29 April, 2010 10:25:48 AM Subject: Re: Undetectable There is absolutely no one to my knowledge that has ever gone undetectable through natural methods. I am a VERY firm believer in natural medicine and am very much against taking toxic drugs and MANY MANY people have lowered their viral load and increased their CD4 count though natural methods, but no one has gone to undetectable through natural methods that I know of. In my humble opinion though, it does not matter that you never reach an undetectable viral load, but that you keep it low and your CD4 counts high in order to be healthy. The goal is to stay healthy. Becoming undetectable through natural means is a lovely idea, but not attainable for the average hiv+ person as far as I know.Many people may argue with me on this, but I along with many others have tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun and nothing natural works for that. That being said, I would rather have a low viral count from natural methods than be undetectable through unnatural toxic methods. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I was adviced by my doctor that if i go without the ARV medication my life will be at stake and immune system at risk..Please advice as i was not on medications for many months already..Should i take the medications recommended by my doctor.i heard there are many adverse effects of this medication..it will make a person feel weak and unable to go to work.. I dont like the idea of medication but i would prefer natural herbs/food/supplements..Please let me have your opinion.. cures for AIDS From: donjuan69uni@... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:34:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Undetectable I respect your opinion and I have seen much of the research behind the non existance of HIV. The reason people are worked up about numbers is because they believe the virsus does exist, as do I. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I was adviced by my doctor that if i go without the ARV medication my life will be at stake and immune system at risk..Please advice as i was not on medications for many months already..Should i take the medications recommended by my doctor.i heard there are many adverse effects of this medication..it will make a person feel weak and unable to go to work.. I dont like the idea of medication but i would prefer natural herbs/food/supplements..Please let me have your opinion.. cures for AIDS From: donjuan69uni@... Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:34:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Undetectable I respect your opinion and I have seen much of the research behind the non existance of HIV. The reason people are worked up about numbers is because they believe the virsus does exist, as do I. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I tried to get him on here but he's always so " busy " that's why our relationship never worked, but that's a whole different story.....I'M NOT BITTER!!! LOL but I can send you his personal email address if you'd like.  Just send me a message first. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 I tried to get him on here but he's always so " busy " that's why our relationship never worked, but that's a whole different story.....I'M NOT BITTER!!! LOL but I can send you his personal email address if you'd like.  Just send me a message first. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Hi guys. Â Today for the first time since I've been poz for 4 years, I went and had lab work done. Â I had to do this because I filed a disability claim for chronic upper respiratory problems that antibiotics can't cure. Â I've tried all sorts of natural remedies as well but the infections remain. Â The last doc I went to see in January said that they were fungal infections and very hard to get rid of. Â That's why I filed a disability claim. Â I am not working at the moment and if I get turned down, it's going to be hard to work with these respiratory problems. Â I can do it I think, but thought I'd give disability a shot first. They're prolly gonna turn me down tho cause I can walk and move around fairly well. Â My glands are visibly swollen and have been for the past 4 years. Â Anyways, I had to take labs today and now I have to wait and see what my adjucator will say once the lab results return to him. Â Honestly, I really don't want to know because I feel like I do so much better when I don't know. Â I feel like when you are constantly worrying about numbers you get so stressed and in my opinion, you get sicker from that worry alone. Â I stay in good moods most of the time and feel great other than the chronic upper respiratory problems I have. Â I had these problems long before HIV tho. Â I don't let HIV rule my mind and my thoughts. Â I think my attitude has kept me going these past 4 years along with taking silver. Randall From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Hi guys. Â Today for the first time since I've been poz for 4 years, I went and had lab work done. Â I had to do this because I filed a disability claim for chronic upper respiratory problems that antibiotics can't cure. Â I've tried all sorts of natural remedies as well but the infections remain. Â The last doc I went to see in January said that they were fungal infections and very hard to get rid of. Â That's why I filed a disability claim. Â I am not working at the moment and if I get turned down, it's going to be hard to work with these respiratory problems. Â I can do it I think, but thought I'd give disability a shot first. They're prolly gonna turn me down tho cause I can walk and move around fairly well. Â My glands are visibly swollen and have been for the past 4 years. Â Anyways, I had to take labs today and now I have to wait and see what my adjucator will say once the lab results return to him. Â Honestly, I really don't want to know because I feel like I do so much better when I don't know. Â I feel like when you are constantly worrying about numbers you get so stressed and in my opinion, you get sicker from that worry alone. Â I stay in good moods most of the time and feel great other than the chronic upper respiratory problems I have. Â I had these problems long before HIV tho. Â I don't let HIV rule my mind and my thoughts. Â I think my attitude has kept me going these past 4 years along with taking silver. Randall From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Do you know anyone with an ozone generator? You can breathe ozone that's filtered through olive oil and it is very effective for any lung conditions. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2010 Report Share Posted May 18, 2010 Do you know anyone with an ozone generator? You can breathe ozone that's filtered through olive oil and it is very effective for any lung conditions. From: Happytype <happytype (DOT) com> Subject: Undetectable " cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com " <cures for AIDS@gro u ps.com> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:59 AM Is there anyone here that achieved viral load undetectable without the help of meds? Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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